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Hola Every one ,seeking out Lorenzo Alvarez Tostado and his first Wife Josepha Alvarez Tostado. Lorenzo was married to Josepha prior to 1725. Lorenzo's second wife was Gertrudis Efigenia Ramirez de Hermosillo april 19,1725 in Jalostotitlan located in Matrimonios 1707-1748 image #191. I was looking at the Dispensas that Claudia has given and no go . I was thinking they were probably related and needed to go through dispensation but have not found it yet. Has anyone had any luck ? I am descended to Lorenzo and his two wives.
Thank you
Ronnie Reynoso

I just updated my files on Rootsweb.com today. My file name is Mexico an contains records for Zacatecas, Jalisco, Michoacan and now Sonora. When you open my file go to the index and see if I have a surname in the time and place you are looking for. I have abt 92 thousand names and won't be updating for a few months since I'm going to Vancouver Island and our capacity is low.. I time out when I try to upload new files from there.
Linda Castanon-Long

this page contains the baptismal record for one of my triple-great grandpa luis lopez
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15094-3467-35?cc=1410092&wc=…

i see that this page lists his parents as luciano lopez and juana martinez. i can also read that juana's parents are secundo martinez and juana padilla.

i'm not sure what luciano's dad first name is, nor can i find his mom's late name(i think the entry says her first name is manuela), since the penmanship is too sloppy for me to read.

any help will be appreciated.

How do I find my ancestors place of origin or date of birth there parents where born? l been stuck for a while , 1930 mexico censes was a good start, got lucky on finding some marriages certificates that mention where they are originallly from, and useful info

LOOKING FOR IDEAS AND SUGGESTIONS , CAUSE I GOT NOTHING...

ISIDORO HURTADO (USUALLY SPELLED URTADO)

BERNABE ALVAREZ

VICTORIA BARAJAS MAY BE NATIVE AMERICAN

CECILIO GALVEZ

RAFAEL MORA NUNEZ DEATH RECORD NO INFO ON PARENTS OR ORIGIN

1860-1935? Isidoro Hurtado married 1855-1945? Josefa Aguilar
Home in 1930 :was Pihuamo , Jalisco
1892 J Jesus Hurtado and 1855 Maria Chavez (first of three wives)
1890 Agustin Hurtado There sons marriage certificates say they are originally from tecalitlan, jalisco Also Isidoro came with his sons to US to work than come back

1880 J Jesus Galindo married 1870 Estefana Sanchez
1907-1988 Maximina Galindo married ? -1954 Cecilio Galvez
Home in 1930 : Pihuamo Carrizal, Jalisco
Have not been able to find any thing on my great grand father cecilio Galvez.
Galvez family in that time where scary people , After murdering 8 people he ended up getting murdered also My grand mother ended up marying a man called bonofacio which i cant get any leads also

1884-1962 Rafael Mora Nunez married to 1887 Victoria Barajas Mora
Home in 1930 : Pihuamo Rincon De La Cueva , Jalisco

1911-1957 Macario Mora Barajas 1916-2007 Maria de Rosario Alvarez Farias married in 1934

My grandfather macario is Originally from Jelotlan de los dolores,jalisco but i also have seen tecalitlan He was president of the town of pihuamo 1940-1942

1892 Bernabe Alvarez married to 1894 Florencia Farias
Home in 1930 : Pihuamo Rincon De La Cueva , Jalisco
Bernabe and Rafael Mora were the only ones who lived there,and census sheet with there families and were farmers, some of there kids ended marrying each other...

Bernabe family i was told came for michoacan some people say he came on a boat from somewhere

Would really appreciate any help or leads thanks so much

David,
 
Thank you.  In my search, I came across those same records as well.  However, without knowing Phelipa de la Cruz's mother's name, I cannot be sure Phelipa de la Cruz and Phelipa Masias are one and the same.  I would like to find a baptism record with Phelipa de la Cruz's mother's and father's name so I can use as cross reference.  Or, Mathias Morones' baptism record with his parents name so I can add another generation.
 
You mention Mathias Morones is your 7th ggfather.  He is my 5th ggfather.  Thank you again.
 
Susan Preciado
 
 
       

Nuestros Ranchos,
 
Regarding Joseph Gregorio Morones b. 1715 married to Leonor Peres about 1736 in Ayo el Chico and who was the patriarch of the Rio de Santa Maria Morones clan:  Records show Joseph's father as being Mathias Morones and mother being Phelipa de la Cruz.  Question:
 
1).  I cannot locate birth, christening or marriage records for Mathias Morones or Phelipa de la Cruz.  Their son Joseph Gregorio Morones was born in Zapotlanejo and Joseph later married Leonor in Ayo el Chico, however, I cannot find further birth, baptism or marriage records for either Mathias or Phelipa.  How do I continue my search to see if they migrated there from another part of Mexico? Do you have any suggestions.  Thank you.
 
Susan Preciado
 
 
 
 
--- On Thu, 5/24/12, Austin Perez wrote:

From: Austin Perez
Subject: Re: Romero in Encarnacion de Diaz. (Thank you)
To: "Ernie Preciado"
Date: Thursday, May 24, 2012, 9:15 AM

Thanks Susan. I think I have answers for your questions…although, I'm not sure if they are the correct answers : )

1. Basically it means that the couple shared a common ancestor within four generations (great-great grandparents) and required permission from the Catholic Church to marry. In this case Jose de la Paz and Regina Zermeno’s common ancestor was a great grandparent for one (tercero grado) and great-great grandparent for the other (cuarto grado). This information helps when searching for and confirming that you have the right ancestor.
 
2. Caquiste or Caquixtle was a rancho (puesto) located between Lagos and Encarnacion. I am not exactly sure where this is located; however there are two places that have this name, Caquixtle de Arriba (http://mexico.pueblosamerica.com/i/caquixtle-de-arriba/) and Caquixtle de Abajo (http://mexico.pueblosamerica.com/i/caquixtle-de-abajo/).
 
Also, from the website: http://www.historiasyrecuerdosdeencarnaciondediaz.com/encarnacion.html
“54. Don José María Guerra y de Alba, era hermano de Don Manuel Jacinto Guerra y de los Señores obispos Guerra y Alba, pues era el decimo de los hijos de Don Francisco Guerra y Gómez de Portugal y de su primera esposa Doña Gertrudis de Alba y Verdín, propietarios del Rancho El Caquixtle.”
 
3. I have Jose Maria Romero’s parents as Miguel Romero and Encarnacion Romo
 
4. In the older records this area was called el puesto Rio de Santa Maria, which later became the communities of Santa Maria de Abajo, Santa Maria de Enmedio and Santa Maria de Arriba. The attached map shows the 3 Santa Marias and the probable location of Caquixtle.
 
Although, I do not have Morones ancestors, they are closely related to many of my ancestors. My paternal grandfather and great grandfather both had a Morones godfather.
 
I have Teodoro’s parents as Leandro Morones and Rosalia Iniguez; Benita’s parents as Jose Maria Morones and Macedonia Valdivia; this and additional generations are in the attached ancestry tree for Ismael Morones.  The patriach of the Rio de Santa Maria Morones clan was Joseph Gregorio Morones married to Leonor Perez, they were originally from Ayo el Chico.  The following website (http://www.jorgemorones.com/morones/index.htm) has a Morones family tree that may help.
 
Best
Austin

From: Ernie Preciado
To: four_perezs@yahoo.com
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 1:37 AM
Subject: Romero in Encarnacion de Diaz. (Thank you)

 
 
Augustin,
 
You are truly amazing!  The information you have provided has been a great start.  Thank you very much. I have a few questions: 
 
     1.  What does it mean when it states 'this marriage required a consanguinity
          dispensation'? (tercero con cuatro grado).
     2.  Is there a town or rancho near Encarnacion de Diaz by the name 'Caquiste'?
     3.  I am searching for the names of Jose Maria Romero's parents.  He was born about
          1810. (Jose Maria Romero married Maria del Refugio Gonsalez 14 Jun 1837)
     4).  I do not see the name of a rancho called 'Santa Maria de Abajo' does it go by
           another name? I am looking for information on Teodoro Moronez (Morones) born
           around 1840, married Benita Moronez.  Teodoro was the son of Jose Maria
           Moronez and Macedonia Valdivia.  Also looking for Leonardo Moronez married
           to Rojelia Inigas.  I believe they all may have been from Santa Maria de Abajo 
           near Encarnacion de Diaz.  Any information you can provide would be helpful.
           Thank you. 
            
 
 
Susan Romero Preciado 

What are the traditional foods of Jalisco and for that matter Los Altos?

I remember going to the restaurant El Torito during lunch in high school here in Southern California in the 1980's and having my anglo friends ask me what certain items on the menu were. Tortilla soup? Stacked enchiladas? Fajitas? Rolled tacos? Chimichangas? Wet burritos? I remember saying, "What the hell is this? Must be the chef's menu from a previous position he held as a cook at Chino prison."

Our food at home was and still is:

Albondigas (meatball soup)
Fideo (pasta soup)
Picadillo (shredded beef with potatoes)
Steak Picado (bisteak meat with tomatoes, onions, and peppers)
Carne Asada (grilled meat and large green onions with no marinade)
Conchas (large pasta shells with onion, tomatoes, and peppers)
Caldo de rez (beef stew. I've heard it called cocido by other peeps)
And the main staple in the upper cupboard, cheese. That weird smelling stuff shaped like a round yellow cake. I used to stand behind my dad wearing a gas mask as he would make quesadillas.

So my question again is, "what are the traditional foods?" Is what I've mentioned above part of that or is it our assimilation here in the states? And what about the strange Mexican restaurant food I still come across now and then?

The Colonial era of Mexico facinates me. I am curious about those carriages that were used for transportation. I saw one in a museum in Zacatecas.

Also I am curios about the styles of clothing. For instance, the triangular colonial hats that they wore and also another style where some of the men wore scarf or cloth covering the scalps of their head. Kind of like what pirates wear.

On the mexican 50 peso bill, the picture Jose Maria Morelos wears one.

Can someone tell me what do you call that style of cloth that people from the colonial days wore covering the scalp of their heads? It is like what the pirates wore.

If there were a Nuestros Ranchos Colonial Costume party, what style would you wear?

I have been researching the last name "Rubio" and I have come up with the following information:

According to research author Gutierre Tibon in his "Diccionario Etimilogico Comparado de los Apellidos Espanoles, Hispanoamericanos y Filipinos" 1992 Fondo de Cultura Economica, S.A. Mexico. he states the following:

Rojo,

Hello

I am researching the link between the Romo family of San Buenaventura and Nadadores in northern Mexico, and the Romo de Vivar family of Aguascalientes.

I have found out that a man named Don Jose Raphael Romo and his son Manuel, both from Aguascalientes, came to Nadadores where Manual married Maria Ygnacia Rodriguez in 1816. Their children were born in Nadadores. However, one of their sons, Don Tomas Romo, married a woman named Maria Luciana Espinosa, and their children were born in San Buenaventura. One of their sons, Don Jesus Romo, married Dona Josefa Bustamante in San Juan Bautista in Lampazos de Naranjo. where most of their children were born, including my great grandmother Genoveva Romo, who as a teenager fled across the border to escape an arranged marriage. In San Antonio, she met and married a man from Italy, but her family from Mexico eventually also came to San Antonio.

The information about the title Don and Dona comes from the marriage records I have seen through Family Search (images of the pages from the marriage books), as did the note about where Jose Raphael and Manual came from.

I am currently reviewing the marriage records for Sagrario, Aguascalientes, late 1700s, trying to find the marriage record for Jose Raphael Romo and Maria Rafaela Agulilar, who is named as the mother of Manual in his record of marriage (she is desceased by that time, 1816). However, it is slow going, as I often get the message "Please try again later". I WOULD LIKE TO FIND OUT WHO THE PARENTS OF JOSE RAPHAEL ROMO WERE.

Therefore, if anyone had seen a reference to a Jose Raphael Romo from Aguascalientes, or a Maria Rafaela Aguilar from Aguascalientes, I would much appreciate a tip (cite the original source and internet link if possible). I have already exhausted the leads in the digitalized records in LDS, which is why the only way forward are the images of the original records, and this forum.

If there is anyone else who has a Romo ancestor from the above-mentioned villages/towns, I would be more than willing to post the genealogy I sent to the moderator of this site.

Regards

Denise Hernandez Fastrup, Denmark, born and raised in San Antonio Tx.

I have an ancestor from the late 1800's that was a Catholic priest in Zacatecas (possibly Jerez). I would like to find documentation, of his education. I presume the Catholic church has good records of all the priests graduating from the different seminaries in Mexico (Guadalajara, Zacatecas, etc...) I would appreciate any suggestions as to where to begin looking, online. Thanks in advance.

Hi,

I'm researching Castañeda, Sanchez and Galvan. My maternal family comes
from (mostly) Jerez, Zac., I've seen references for El Tesorero, Los
Cuervos and La Lagrima; I'm not sure, but I'm guessing these are
ranchitos in the area.

At this time I'm mainly interested in my great-grandparents Vida
Castañeda, born about 1882, and Bartolo Sanchez, born about 1864. I have
found baptismal certificates from La Inmaculada for two of Vita's
brothers, Apolinario Castañeda and Gregorio Castañeda, but not for her.

I'm also interested in my 2x great-grandparents, Gregorio Castañeda and
Ysabel Galvan. Gregorio was baptized at El Sagrario in Zacatecas, Zac. in
1859. (His parents were Juan Castañeda and Jesus Segovia.) I learned from
a baptismal certificate that Gregorio Castañeda was first married to a
Nasaria Rosales, and they had at least one son: Marin Castañeda, in 1881.
I do not know what happened to Nasaria Rosales.

My great-grandparents, Vita Castañeda and Bartolo Sanchez, were married
probably around 1900 since their first child, Antonia, was born in 1901,
I'm guessing they married in Jerez, Zac. Bartolo Sanchez died sometime
between the birth of their last daughter in 1916 and the 1920 census (El
Paso, TX), since my great-grandmother had remarried by then, to Antonio
Galvan (he may be related to Vita's mother), also from Jerez, Zac. I
cannot find any other info on Bartolo Sanchez after his arrival in the US
(at El Paso, TX) in 1914 with the rest of the family, including his sister
Sacramenta Sanchez.

I have plenty of history (with a few gaps) on my great-grandmother and her
children from their birth on. Vita Castañeda Sanchez Galvan died 18 Aug
1974 in Santa Rosa, CA. Interestingly enough, I grew up believing my
great-grandmother had been born in 1870 and was thus 104 when she died (I
was about 10). However, my research shows US arrival cards indicating her
birth year to be about 1882/3. I have no idea what happened to make her
later change the birth year.

I do not know the fate of my great-grandmother's siblings or father. Her
mother, according to my grandmother, died in El Paso, TX when my
grandmother was young (before 1920 census). My grandmother never
mentioned her father or aunts and uncles. My grandmother, Lupe Sanchez,
moved to San Francisco, CA in 1937 (and the rest of the family followed
within the next 10 years) and then retired in Santa Rosa, CA. She died 28
Aug 2003 at the age of 90.

Any help is appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Laura Gonzalez

Alguien sabrá donde se podrá ver por internet los testamentos antiguos de jalostotitlan , lagos, san Juan ,arandas y tepatitlan ,,, mil gracias de antemano

Augustin,
 
You are truly amazing!  The information you have provided is a great start.  Thank you very much. One last question, what does it mean when it states 'this marriage required a consanguinity despensation'? (tercero con cuatro grado).
 
Susan Romero Preciado 

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   1. Re: Donde encontrar testamentos jalisco??? (Armando)
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      a colonial costume party? (Alicia Carrillo)
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      a colonial costume party? (Emilie Garcia)
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   8. Continuando con la investigacion (kenneth@bech.us)

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Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 21:24:20 -0500
From: Armando
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Donde encontrar testamentos jalisco???
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Hello Joseph,

The last wills are not in those links. They would be found in Notary
Records. I have not heard of any of them being put on line for Lagos, San
Juan, Jalos, Tepa, or Arandas.

For Lagos he would have to go personally to the Archivo Historico de la
Parroquia de la Asuncion de Lagos de Moreno maintained by Mario G?mez Mata
He can learn more about that in a post Miguel Beltr?n made about the
inauguration at http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/19307

Armando

On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 6:04 AM, Joseph Puentes wrote:

i'm not sure if i posted this in the correct category for this forum but i want to add films for Huejuquilla el Alto in the jalisco section of the films page. the website familysearch has records for Huejuquilla el Alto.

Zacatecano,

My primo in Aguascalientes who is very involved in Charreadas wears the scarf under his charro hat. I asked him why he wore it since I only recalled J. Ma Morelos and the Californios. His response was to keep the hat on. Apparently the silk scarf gives his hat traction. My primo is losing his hair by the way.

Irma Gomez Gtz
N. California

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> ________________________________
> From: "zacatecano020@hotmail.com"
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 2:03 PM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] What colonial clothing style would you wear if there were a colonial costume party?
>
> The Colonial era of Mexico facinates me.? I am curious about those carriages that were used for transportation.? I saw one in a museum in Zacatecas.
>
> Also I am curios about the styles of clothing.? For instance, the triangular colonial hats that they wore and also another style where some of the men wore scarf or cloth covering the scalps of their head.? Kind of like what pirates wear.
>
> On the mexican 50 peso bill, the picture Jose Maria Morelos wears one.
>
> Can someone tell me what do you call that style of cloth that people from the colonial days wore covering the scalp of their heads? It is like what the pirates wore.
>
>
> If there were a Nuestros Ranchos Colonial Costume party,? what style would you wear?
>
>
>

Hello everyone,I need some assistance please. If anyone is researching Tepechitlan, Tlatenango or El Teul, Zacatecas I am hoping you could help. I am reserching Francisco De Luna His wife is Maria De Tapia born in Tlatenango, Zacatecas on 1637, they had a son named Luise De luna Born in 1624 In Tlatenango, Zacatecas .
I cant seem to find any info on Francisco De Luna. Most of my ancesters are found in Arroyo Hondo, Tepechitlan, Tlatenango and El Teul, Zacatecas. I am assuming that Francisco might of came from colima or Guadalajara. Any Info or web site you might have will be helpfull. Francisco De Luna is my 10 great grnd father.

Thank You

Hello,

I'm hoping I could discover good references or names of families who traveled to Santa Fe pre 1680. Sur names of Torres and Garcia (Garcia-Noriega)would be nice.

As well, I'm willing to help the group interested in Santa Fe colonists.

My father Eugene L. Torres is the master mind behind my family's research, I can only stand on his shoulders. He has done a lot for hispanic genealogy in New Mexico and Colorado.

However, we're stuck with the records in Santa Fe, which all before 1680 were destroyed by the Pueblo Indians.

Input is appreciated

Thank you,

Brenndan P. Torres

Muy buen dia, escribo debido a que ando en una intensa busqueda de la partida de matromonio de mi bisabuelo y mi bisabuela. He buscado ya por varios años y he logrado llegar atras por mas de 4 generaciones antes que yo.

En ciudad Guzman, he encontrado la partida de nacimiento de uno de mis abuelos de nombre Antonio Bech . El acta de nacimiento abajo, menciona a mi bisabuelo Jorge Bech como ciudadano de Ciudad Guzman y por lo tanto he llegado a la conclusion de que vivio ahi y muy probablemente se caso ahi mismo.

El acta de nacimiento dice:

"En ciudad Guzmán, el dos de Agosto de mil ochocientos ochenta y siete compareció en este registro civil a las once de la mañana el ciudadano Jorge Bech, ingeniero de treinta y un anos de edad, casado con Hulda Hesse de veintiocho anos de edad, ambos originarios de la provincia de Sajonia del imperio Alemán y vecinos de la hacienda de Santa Cruz y expuso que el treinta y uno del pasado a las cuatro de la mañana en el cuartel Quinto de esta ciudad dio a luz su esposa el niño que presenta, vivo el que se da fe tener a la vista y que se llamara Antonio que es el primer hijo de su matrimonio. El niño presentado es nieto por línea paterna de Antonio y de Natalia Bech y por la materna de Carlos y Otilia Hesse. Señores testigos de este “cito” Jesús Gómez, soltero y Arnulfo Lorea, casado, ampliando mayores de edad y de esta de esta vecindad. Con lo que concluyo la presente acta que se le dio lectura y conforme con su contenido firman

Jesús Gómez Georg. Bech

Petra Palacios Arnulfo Lorea"

Se que Georg (Jorge) Bech se caso con Hulda Hesse, probablemente proveniente de Ciudad Guzman. Como mi bisabuelo Antonio Bech nacio en 1887, es muy probable que se hayan casado entre 1881-1887 ya que tengo el registro del ingreso de Jorge por nueva york al continente americano. Los registros de ingreso dicen que Jorge Bech llego el 21 de septiembre de 1881. el de Hulda Hesse, todavia no lo he encontrado, pero asumo que fue entre el año que Jorge llego a America y la fecha en la que el hijo de ellos Antonio Bech Nacio.

Tambien en el acta se menciona a la Hacienda Santa Cruz y al Cuartel Quinto de Ciudad Guzman. No se si sea de su conocimiento a que Hacienda se refiere exactamente y si habia alguna capilla o iglesia en esa hacienda y a la vez, por lo que entiendo el cuartel quinto es un area de la ciudad y por lo tanto si sabe si ahi tambien habra alguna iglesia.

Despues de que tuvieron a Antonio pertenecieron por algunos años en Mexico, cuantos no se. Solo se que Antonio luego se caso con Enriqueta Suarez Javalois de origen mejicano el 23 de noviembre de 1912 en Retalhuleu, Guatemala. Se que Enriqueta era mejicana porque en mi abuelo, Carlos Antonio Bech Suarez, hijo de Antonio Bech y Enriqueta Suarez se sabia el himno mejicano de memoria porque dicen en mi familia que Enriqueta, la madre de el, lo cantaba constantemente.

Muchas Gracias por cualquier ayuda que me pueda brindar.

I'm asking since when I will looking up birth records, and marriage records from my 5th great grandfather silvestre villaneda, and some of his siblings, the records were inconsitiant of the race part. for example silvestre's marriage record says he's espanol, but his birth record says he's indio. one of his brothers ygnio/hignio birth records labels him as coyote. two of his siblings clemente, and maria antonia are also labeled indio. his sister reufgio is labeled as espanol.

I am soo confused.

have any of you guys have this problem?

the record can be found in the link below. It's for a maria de la torre
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18455-14262-36?cc=1874591&wc…

Sorry for creating another thread again in the past two days, but the crusive in this record is very hard to read. the only part i was able read besides her name is that she died on august 20 1731, and that she was the wife of phelipe quezada.

i can't read the rest. i'm hopin g this records mentions her age and/or birthplace also.

> No se porque se enoja Guillermo Tovar de Teresa, la persona llamada detective solo se esta encontrando con un problema muy comun cuando uno busca en los archivos de la Iglesia y no se porque afirma que detective se va a avergonzar si desciende de indios o negros, el no lo dice. a mi personalmente me aburre cuando en mi genealogia hay solo espanoles, y de que encuentro un "coyote" , "mulato libre", "yndio" , "negro esclavo" me parece mas interesante ya que siendo las castas ( menos los indios que no eran castas) los mas oprimidos, lograron sobrevivir, algunos , es verdad, gracias a matrimonios con " espanoles" con lo cual subian de categoria social. Y todo eso es muy interesante y no hay porque negarlo, existen los cuadros de castas, pinturas que tenian los curas en las Iglesias para ver que onda con el bebe, a cual cuadro pertenecia y la verdad es que a veces el mismo cura les ponia diferentes "calidades" a los bautizados hijos de los mismos padres que ademas eran feligres
es de su parroquia y supuestamente conocia. Julieta
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> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 19:35:22 -0500
> From: "Guillermo Tovar de Teresa"
> To:
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] is racial miscategorization on old
> catholic church records common?
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> V?yase con cuidado. Le recomiendo quitarse el nombre de detective. Si quiere
> meterse en cuestiones raciales, ponerse de detective es agresivo y
> est?pido. Le advierto: TENGA MUCHO CUIDADO! En nuestra p?gina no aceptamos
> ni detectives ni racistas! Es una p?gina geneal?gica, no policiaca. No vaya
> a resultar que usted desciende de indios o de negros, que lo averg?encen.
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> [mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de
> detective1920@yahoo.com
> Enviado el: Jueves, 17 de Mayo de 2012 05:58 p.m.
> Para: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] is racial miscategorization on old catholic
> church records common?
>
> I'm asking since when I will looking up birth records, and marriage records
> from my 5th great grandfather silvestre villaneda, and some of his siblings,
> the records were inconsitiant of the race part. for example silvestre's
> marriage record says he's espanol, but his birth record says he's indio. one
> of his brothers ygnio/hignio birth records labels him as coyote. two of his
> siblings clemente, and maria antonia are also labeled indio. his sister
> reufgio is labeled as espanol.
>
> I am soo confused.
>
> have any of you guys have this problem?

Hola Primos, me he detenido en mi busqueda por no encontrar a los padres de Juan Manuel Alvarez Tostado y de Maria Josefa Lomelin,

Ellos fueron padres de Jose Ignacio Alvarez Lomelin quien se casara en primer matrimonio con María Jimenez Alvarez (hija de José Ximenez y Gertrudis Alvarez) el 12 de febrero de 1781 en Mesticacan y en segundas nupcias con María Rita De Anda De la Torre (hija de Manuel de Anda y de Doña Ines de la Torre) el 1 de mayo de 1805.

Jose Ignacio Alvarez Lomelin y Maria Rita de Anda de la Torre, fueron padres de:
Maria de la Trinidad Alvarez de Anda (10/02/1808) caso con José Antonio Padilla Gutierrez (1794)
Hijos:
Maria Teofila de San Juan. 1828
María Rita 1829
Maria Rafaela 1830
Maria Vita 1831
Jose 1832
Eufemio 1833
Jose Francisco 1834

Se agradece toda ayuda..
Saludos

I was going through the latest list of Matrimonial Dispensations, thanks to the hard work of our friends of NR, and researched the dispensation of Jose Altamirano and Maria Rita Garcia de Alba:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18415-2350-34?cc=1874591&wc=…

I found the information mistaken as Francisca Gomes (Married to Felipe Garcia de Alba) is actually the daughter of Juan Gomes-Garcia and Maria Velasco; not Pedro Gomes and Maria Contreras, as indicated in the Dispensation. Now my question is how are Juan Gomes-Garcia and the Pedro's (father and son) related? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Deedra Corona

while i was looking up the surname villaneda on family search i found an entry for a pedro villaneda of huerjcar born on 1778
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JSFH-YHM

and i also found this entry for girl who's mom was villaneda and who's dad was a rodriguez.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JSFD-BXK

i have a feeling that they are related to my villaneda ancestors from tepetongo, but how could iprove it for sure?