Nuestros Ranchos Site

It's only by fate that I find myself at Nuestros Ranchos.
I took my wife to see "For Greater Glory" and came home to start researching the period. Among the numerous websites that came up on Google was NR and I was hooked.

I've been researching my maternal family (Italian) for over ten years but never had much information on my paternal side.

My paternal grandmother Dolores Villasenor was never married to the man that fathered my father. She left my father with his grandmother Martina Perez in 1924 and came to the U.S. to start a new life. She went back to Totatiche for my father in 1931. My father was raised as Rogaciano Villasenor and took the name Roy Villasenor Rodriguez when he was naturalized as a U.S. citizen during WWII. Rodriguez was the name of the man who eventually married my grandmother. My father spoke very little of the War and of his childhood in Mexico. One thing he did tell me was that we had both Spanish and Indian blood in our genes.

Time has taken it's toll on my memory, but I think my grandmother once told me that my grandfather was killed in the revolution. It was this vague memory that got me curious about this man my father never knew.

So, about three weeks ago, I went to FamilySearch and started looking. I immediately found my father as well as his older brother and sister - both listed as father unknown. Fortunately, my father's father was listed - Jesus del Real from Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, Zacatecasas. At last..my family lineage is clear! Now to find out what really happened to Jesus. I can not find his death record to document his death during the Christeros.

I've been going through Jalisco records day and night ever since and have gotten a great start to my tree, going back to my 4x Great Grandparents about 1770-1790.

Please visit my folder:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/UncleRelic

Regrettably, I do not speak Spanish as my father did not want to teach us. He studied very hard to learn English. He was very proud of his WWII service, loved his adopted country, and wanted to assimilate into American life.

With great anticipation, I seek to communicate with any relatives.

Regarding the movie: It was very enjoyable to watch, provided a somewhat accurate depiction of events, but more importantly it got me to do my own research.

Best regards to all,
Roy

Hello everyone,

I would like to introduce myself. My name is Martin Gerardo Gonzalez Guzman. I am a 21 year old college student from California and have a great deal of interest in family history, especially because up until two months ago, I didn't think I had any family history.

At the moment, I am doing research on my Totatiche, Jalisco Branches, seeing as how 5/8 of my great-grandparents were born there (with another one being from Villa Guerrero and the other two from Bolanos)

Here is the research I have done so far on my great-grandfather Leodegario Gutierrez using help from the LDS site and Ancestry.com:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/Martin2g

I have more research on the way as soon as I get it all cleaned up.

Happy Research,

Martin

Tambien hablo espanol para los que no puedan hablar en Ingles.

Hi.

My name is Javier Aceves Navarro. I am from a small ranch, la Tinaja, in
Capilla de Guadalupe municipio of Tepatitlan Jalisco.
My family comes from la Presa de Gomez and are descendants of Don Antonio
de Aceves..................El Amo Aceves founder of Capilla de Guadalupe in
1820.
There are some books on this issue but the information is not complete all
the way down to our families.

TKS.

Javier

Hello,

I am wondering if anyone has the genealogy of Pascual Orozco? Know of a website etc with the information. Yes, the infamous one. He may be a great uncle and I'm trying to connect the dots. Any help help or tips greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Pauline

While searching fruitlessly through the dispensations I came upon this list of dispensations from 1879 to about 1884, in case someone is interested. I actually found the couple I'm searching for listed--but haven't been able to locate the actual dispensation.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18535-24494-56?cc=1874591&wc…

Deedra Corona

http://www.tepetongozac.com.mx/suvoz7.htm

Hola, alguien sabe como se puede saber quienes fueron los propietarios del rancho La Estancia Vieja en San Juan de los Lagos...

Se agradece cualquier ayuda...

Saludos

Thanks to my cousin Katy Brecht's outstanding research!!

Joseph de Leon

Hola Claudia ,how are you ? I hope well. I am stuck on a couple named Jose Geronimo Ramirez and Maria de Jesus Garcia . I am trying to figure out if the parents of Maria de Jesus Garcia mentioned aren't another couple with same name . Maria de Jesus Garcia and her husband Jose Geronimo Ramirez are related by el tercer grado. I am figuring that the dispensa would help to determined if if its the right parents of Maria de Jesus Garcia by comparing the location of the of the other.Jose Geronimo Ramirez and Maria de Jesus Garcia married 13 of feb. 1833 in San Juan de Los lagos-Matrimonios 1823-1841-San Juan de Los lagos Image 260.
Maria de Jesus Garcia parents mentioned in her acta de Matrimonio were Juan Garcia and Anastacia Ornelas.
A Juan Garcia and Anastacia Ornelas were married 22 of jan . 1812 in San Juan de los lagos matrimonio 1797-1823 Image #320.
The reason I ask ,they are my cousins lineage. The couple mentioned are of mulato and mestizo ancestry , I just what to verify so I know I have the right info to tell Her. I went to GuadalajaraDispensa.com and nothing is there another place to look ?
Thank you for time
Ronnie Reynoso

My parents are both from Jalpa, Zacatecas. I have been able to trace three branches of my mother’s ancestry to Bartelomo Viramontes. In fact, he is mentioned as a common ancestor in many marriage dispensation in the 1860’s that involves a Viramontes in a Jalpa marriage. I almost believe that he is the common ancestor for all Viramontes(es) that have a connection to Jalpa. Of course, that may not really be the case. My guess is that Bartelomo Viramontes did not originate from Jalpa. I would really appreciate any guidance or information on the origin of this ancestor. Based on my best calculations, he was likely born in the mid to late 1700’s. Some of his children were: Cristobal Viramontes, Jose Maria Viramontes, Gregoria Viramontes, and Juan De Dios Viramontes.

Thank you,
Maria-Elena Lopez Viramontes

#1 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15269-62570-58?cc=1410092&wc…

Upper left side.
Juana Maria Sanchez Herrera
13 Feb 1829
Father: Simon Sanchez
Mother: Celedonia Herrera
AP: Valentin Sanchez & Juana Frausto ??
AM: ?? Herrera & Guadalupe Carrasco ??
Padrinos: Ynocencio Pinedo & Micaela Pinedo

#2 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15271-32398-83?cc=1410092&wc…

Upper right side.
Jose Valente Sanches (Sanchez) Herrera
25 May 1832
Father: Simon Sanches
Mother: Celedonia Herrera
AP: Valentin Sanchez & Juana ??
AM: Francisco Herrera & Guadalupe Carrasco ??
Padrinos: Julian ?? Gonzales & Rafaela Gonzales

What's the rancho? Caquiste?

Thank you!
Laura Gonzalez

Hola! My names is Robert Martinez in Albuquerque, Nuevo Mexico. I am researching my mother's family and one of her branches reaches into the Zacatecas and Jalisco areas, with the surnames Ruiz de Esparza and Marungo. Here is my folder: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/es/robmartinez.

Some of my relatives were born in Sollatlan (frequently it is written as Soyatlan), Tamazula de Gordiano, Jalisco. Some come from Sollatlan de Adentro and others from Sollatlan de Afuera. Does anyone know what that means? Thanks.
Juan Manuel Carrillo Guerrero

My name is Robert Martinez and I am looking for Gertrudes Ruiz de Esparza and Agustin de Marungo who married circa 1700 in the Villa de Jerez area near Zacatecas. I am new here and my folder is at this address: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/es/robmartinez.

Hola todos,

I came across some baptismal certificates for relatives who were born in El Capulin, Tepetongo. Does anyone have any info on El Capulin?

Here's the relatives, in case anyone has them in their family tree.

parents: Sebastian Sanchez &​ San Pablo (Maria) Lucio

Ynocencia Sanchez Lucio
christening: 30 Dec 1851
padrinos: Bacilio Hores (?) & Teodora Valdez

Higinio Sanchez Lucio
christening: 11 Jan 1854
padrinos: Estevan Avila y Ana de la Torre

Encarnacion Sanchez Lucio
christening: 25 Mar 1855
padrinos: Josefat de Avilas (?) & Maria Valdez

Victoria Sanchez Lucio
christening: 25 Dec 1857
padrinos: Josef y Ana de la Torre
Manuel Lucio & Jesus Jaramillo

Juan Sanchez Lucio
christening: 27 Dec 1858
padrinos: Josef y Ana de la Torre

Monday, January 12, 2009

Dear Leticia--

I was hoping you were from somewhere in Jalisco because I get to vacation there from time to time and I do have some interesting genealogy and Hispanic history books to show to whomever is interested.

I was born in Victoria, British Columbia, which is located on an island on the western side of Canada. I left for the USA when I was 2 and a half. Thanks for complimenting my Spanish but I feel I still have so much more to learn.

My grandfather could speak 6 languages because he came from Eastern Europe. Unfortunately, when I took French it was not taught so I did not catch on. The books were late in arriving at my new school and all we had was the French speaking teacher and the language lab with microphones and recorded lessons. Oh well, maybe in the next life I will be given another chance.

Sincerely,
Patricia Burton

--- On Mon, 1/12/09, leticia reynoso wrote:

> From: leticia reynoso
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Mucho Gusto...
> To: "s s"
> Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 9:57 AM
> Dear Patricia, of course I'm understand english but my
> spoken and written are not terrific..you write very well in
> spanish ,Which part of Canada did you born? because for me
> is easier to speak and write in french. I'm fom Mexico
> city...Nice to ciber-meet you, it's a pleasure to can
> help us each other. Leticia Reynoso
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Greetings fellow NR Members--
I wanted to share that I have been doing some research in Mexicali and found a great resource for historical documents at the Instituto de Investigaciones Históricas, Universidad Autónoma de Baja California in Tijuana.

They have a great collection of historical records for the entire state of Baja California, I found a military document pertaining to a family member who was taking over the command of a military post in Mexicali in 1905. The archives can be accessed by the general public, and they allow non-flash photography. They are also very helpful and currently, there is no cost to access or photograph a document.

Instituto de Investigaciones Históricas, Universidad Autónoma de Baja California
They are in Tijuana - here is a list of their collections: http://iih.tij.uabc.mx/historicas/menu/ServiciosComunidad/Acervos/Catal…

Their home webpage is http://iih.tij.uabc.mx/historicas/home.php

I don't know if this will help Denise, but I, too, have roots in Nadadores
that were Tlaxcaltecos, and they were identified as such in their
children's birth certificates (Lucas and Tomas), the latter having been born in
Gigedo, Coahuila (now known as Villa Union).
Gaspar Bermeo married abt 1742 MaCandalaria de los Rios in Nadadores,
Coahuila (Indios Tlaxcaltecos)

I was cleaning up my inbox and noticed that back in Jan. 2012 our great resource, Enrique Agraz, posted this response to Esther: I have a Jose Antonio Rosales married with Gertrudis Garcia de Alba in 28 January 1731, these are my ancestors too but considering the date of possible birth of your Jose Antonio, it wouldn't be possible to be the same. They had a son named Antonio Jose Rosales married with Maria Micaela de Villalvazo, I hope this may be useful.

Carl and I were able to find some interesting things about the younger Jose Antonio.
He is actually the son of Jose Antonio Rosales and Gertudis Garcia de Alba.
Carl found his burial record which mentions he was the "Viudo de 4 mujeres" (the hunt was on):
9 March, 1793
Film 1155470
Page 92
Image 142
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18562-6486-34?cc=1874591&wc=…

They were: Maria Josepha Andrea Otuel, Juana Gertudes Vasquez, Michaela Villavasso, and Maria Petra Ramirez.

I think this is an example of how collaboration can help us sort out complicated lives of our ancestors and make this process more fun and interesting. If anyone else is interested in specific dates, please let us know. Deedra Corona

Hola a todos:

Desde hace algunos días, gracias a las vacaciones pude dedicarme un poco más a la genealogía. Mis investigaciones me llevaron a descubrir muchos nuevos antepasados y uno de los más célebres es Sebastián Vizcaíno.

Sebastián Vizcaíno, fue un navegante español muy importante en su tiempo, llegando a ser el primer europeo en ocupar el cargo de embajador en Japón. Se desconoce su origen, pero ví en algunas fuentes que debido al trato preferencial y acercamiento con el virrey Luis de Velasco y Castilla, se llegó a plantear la hipótesis de que éste pudiera ser medio hermano de Sebastián. Vizcaíno, es un gentilicio y no un apellido, es por eso que se piensa que Sebastián fue hijo natural de un hidalgo, como lo menciona en un documento donde dice que participó en la invasión española a Portugal en una tropa financiada por su padre que era un hidalgo. Ahora bien, el virrey siempre otorgó privilegios a Sebastián y favorecío en demasía su carrera.
¿Ustedes creen que existen suficientes fundamentos para pensar que efectivemente Sebastián Vizcaíno fue hijo natural del virrey Luis de Velasco y Ruiz de Alarcón, padre del virrey Luis de Velasco y Castilla?

Otro de mis nuevos nombres en el árbol genealógico es el del Lic. Francisco Rio y Delorme, quién fue fiscal de la Real Audiencia de Guadalajara y estuvo casado con Ana Enríquez Topete y Ahumada. Me parece, que el Lic. Francisco Rico, fue el fundador de dicho apellido en Jalisco, dado que todos mis antepasados que llevan como apellido Rico, entroncan con esta persona. Mi pregunta es ¿Alguien sabe el nombre de los padres de Francisco Rico o su ascendencia?

Por último, la esposa de Francisco Rico, era hija del Capitán Pedro Enríquez Topete, corregidor de Tlajomulco, ví en algunos libros que era sobrino del Álferez Real Tomás González Figueroa y Campofrío, pero no menciona los padres de Pedro, alguien sabe sus nombres y sí es correcto que es familiar de dicho álferez?

Bueno, como siempre les agradezco por su ayuda. Les deseo una muy feliz Navidad y un mejor Año Nuevo, mucha suerte en todos los aspectos y que el próximo año también sea bueno para ustedes en descubrimientos genealógicos.

Enrique Agraz

Como todo principiante en este tema de la genealogía, siempre me provocado interés el conocer a los primeros españoles que llegaron a colonizar lo que se llamo “La Nueva Galicia”, y navegando en la red encontré, esta pagina que nombra 117 familias españolas que la colonizaron, quizás para los estudiosos de la materia no sea ninguna novedad, pero para muchos de nosotros que nos iniciamos en el tema si tiene mucha relevancia.

La pagina en cuestión es:

http://www.boehm-chronik.com/mexico/primerasfamilias.htm

Los apellidos de dichas familias son:
(se conservará la ortografía original)

1.- Aceves (Documentada desde principios del siglo XVII en Jalostotitlán; San José de Moctezuma, hoy Basarte; Capilla de Guadalupe; Ojo de Agua de los Aceves y 1770: en Ojo de Agua de Aceves [4x], Buei [4x], Carriso, Atotonilquillo)
2.- Alba (de)
3.- Alcalá y Mendoza
4.- Aldrete
5.- Alvarez del Castillo
6.- Alvarez-Tostado
7.- Anava
8.- Anda-Altamirano (de)
9.- Aranda
10.- Ascencio de León
11.- Azuela de San Palayo (de la)
12.- Camacho-Riquelme
13.- Camarena
14.- Carlín
15.- Casillas y Cabrera
16.- Cuéllar
17.- Chávez-Fragoso
18.- Díaz del Castillo
19.- Díaz-Infante
20.- Díaz-Varela
21.- Díaz de Sandi
22.- Enríquez del Castillo
23.- Escoto-Tovar
24.- Esquivel y Vargas
25.- Estévez y Guzmán
26.- Estrada-Bocanegra
27.- Fernández de Palos
28.- Fernández de Rueda
29.- Fernández de San Salvador
30.- Flores-Alatorre
31.- Flores de la Torre
32.- Franco de Cueva
33.- Franco de Escalante
34.- Franco de Paredes
35.- Gallegos
36.- Galván de Rojas
37.- García de Hermosillo
38.- García de León
39.- Gómez de Espejo
40.- Gómez-Hurtado de Mendoza
41.- Gómez de Portugal
42.- González del Castillo
43.- González de Hermosillo
44.- González de Laris
45.- González-Rubio
46.- González de Rubalcava
47.- González de San Román
48.- Guerra
49.- Guerra de San Román
50.- Gutiérrez de Hermosillo
51.- Gutiérrez de Laris
52.- Gutiérrez de Mendoza
53.- Gutiérrez-Rubio
54.- Gutiérrez de Velasco
55.- Helguera (de la)
56.- Hernández-Gamiño
57.- Herrera
58.- Hurtado
59.- Hurtado de Mendoza
60.- Hurtado de Mendoza y Olivares
61.- Issasi
62.- Jiménez de Castro
63.- Jiménez de Mendoza
64.- Landeros
65.- Leal de Avala
66.- Lomelín (Lomellini)
67.- López de Heredia
68.- López de Lara
69.- López de Nava
70.- López de Rivadeneyra
71.- Lozano-Isla
72.- Macháin
73.- Macías-Valadez
74.- Manzo de Zúñiga
75.- Márquez de los Olivos
76.- Martín del Campo
77.- Martín-Gallardo
78.- Martín de Sotomayor
79.- Mora-Hurtado de Mendoza (de la)
80.- Moreno de Ortega
81.- Mota-Padilla (de la) (véase Padilla-Dávila)
82.- Muñoz de la Barba
83.- Muñoz de Hermosillo
84.- Muñoz de Jerez
85.- Muñoz de Nava
86.- Murguía
87.- Navarro-Gaytán (Documentada 1770: en Pandillo [3x], Tepatitlán [2x], San Antonio del Serro Gordo [2x], Juntas [2x], Tinaja, Ormigas, Piedra Herrada, Ojo de Agua de Aceves)
88.- Ortiz de Parada
89.- Ortiz-Peguero
90.- Padilla-Dávila
91.- Parga y Gayosso
92.- Peña (de la)
93.- Pérez-Franco
94.- Pérez de Paredes (véase Pérez-Franco)
95.- Pérez-Sandi
96.- Portillo (del)
97.- Rábago
98.- Ramírez de Hermosillo
99.- Ramírez de Mendoza
100.- Rentería
101.- Reynosa y Rentería
102.- Rodríguez de Portugal
103.- Romero de Chávez
104.- Romo de Vivar
105.- Ruiz de Esparza
106.- Sáinez de Santiago
107.- Sánchez de Porras
108.- San Román
109.- Tavera de la Vega
110.- Tello de Orozco
111.- Torre-Ledesma (de la)
112.- Torres
113.- Valdivia
114.- Vázquez de Victoria
115.- Vázquez de Zermeño
116.- Verdín
117.- Villalobos

Fuentes:
Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia - Tomo 2, Esquemas Genealógicos: Las Familias Genearcas, por Mariano Gonzalez-Leal , 1983, 497 páginas

Padrón de la Feligresía de Tepatitlán de 1770, por Jose de Jesus de Leon Arteaga , 2006, 98 páginas

Hello,
I came across an old posting which stated that the 1650 (and other?) Census for Tlaltenango had been posted online on yahoo.com. But that yahoo group is no longer active and I haven't been able to find the scans on nuestrosranchos.org

Does anyone have a copy of the Census for Tlaltenango for the 17th & 18th centuries? I've already looked at the 1773 Census, which is available online at the Guadalajara Diocesis, but am hoping to look at other years.

Thanks,
Arturo Gonzalez

To all,

I've attached a link to the Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society's Facebook Page where I've uploaded photographs of our 2012 Conference held in Sacramento, California on Saturday May 12th.

The State Archives were absolutely beautiful. The State Archivist was very excited to host their first Genealogical Society Conference ever. They were extremely warm and gracious. The conference included two tours of the State Archives/facilities. They setup several displays throughout the facility specifically for our visit. Included were the muster rolls for the civil war that included the Spanish and the Mexicans that fought in the Civil War. Also included were land grants of the early Spanish Californios.

Our current President Robert Hernandez did a wonderful job of organizing and hosting this event. The finale was a presentation by the Trio Los Zafiros. They played beautifully and described some of the early Mexican music such as boleros and rancheras.

Our presenter, including our own Nuestros Ranchos Claudia Casillas made her presentation on the Dispensas of Guadalajara. Claudia, thank you for agreeing to present at our conference, it was a pleasure meeting you. We also presented her with a certificate from our other fearless leader, Jospeh Puentes of Nuestros Ranchos for her hard work and generous contribution of the Dispensas Blog.

The finale was dinner across the street at Vallejo's Mexican Restaurant where the Zafiros played to our hearts content, we all sang our hearts out and enjoyed the no host buffet dinner.

Thank you Robert and thank you all who made this event another success.

Feel free to go on our website to view the photos.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Nueva-Galicia-Genealogical-Society/13641…

Alicia

Thanks to a distant cousin's research on our Durango family line, I learned
that an ancestor which was labeled as "padre no conocido" had her father
later identified as part of her marriage information and dispensation
process in 1708. I was shocked to learn that the Church gave her and her
uncle dispensation to marry. She was the illegitimate child of his
brother. I guess the moral of the genealogy story is not to assume the
line is lost until all the data is in. What it says about the Church at
that place and time is another matter.

I was wondering if anyone has visited their local LDS family search center. What's different from what you find online at familysearch.org? Is it worthwhile to go? One's here in town, and I'm debating. Will they try to convert me? ;-p

Also, how do people organize their genealogy papers? Besides online, I like to keep physical copies, because it's easier to look and find stuff. Do people have a different binder per person/family/etc?

Just started doing this and not sure what would be best way. Currently have paternal and maternal binders, with dividers for direct descendents, followed by siblings, next generation, siblings, etc. I also have maps in the binder.

Thanks!