I am fascinated with our geneology of the colonial era of our region in Jalisco, Zacatecas, Aguascalientes.
I am amazed at how people can make such good drawings called Devianart. I want to get into that so that I can draw what our towns looked like in the colonial era.
Hola a todos los compañeros del foro solo para ver si alguien tiene conocimiento de quienes fueron los padres de estos dos ancestros míos creo radicaron en ayo el chico o san Juan de los lagos jaliscos en 1680 aproximadamente ,,, yo deciendo de Juan Antonio Sánchez de Mendoza López elizalde q caso con María quintería Quezada ,,, mil gracias de antemano
I am looking for someone that is willing to look up the surname San Martin Y Estrada in two books:"The Econmenderos of New Spain 1521-1555" by Robert Himmerich y Valencia and "Cartas Privadas de Emigrantes a Indias 1540-1616" by Otte Enrique. Your help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
Hi
I was wondering about age at confirmation in the 1700's and 1800's. Anyone happen to know?
Regards
Denise
This was done thru Ancestry.com and I'm sort of confused.
**Brit: 34% (father's side)
**East Asian: 17% (Huh?)
**Scandinavian: 11% (Huh? I've read elsewhere that so many people are coming up with Scandinavian results that some wonder if there's a mistake happening on ancestry.com.)
**South Asian (India, Pakistan, Nepal, Bhutan, Bangladesh): 10% (Huh?)
**Native North American: 8% (No surprise, as I'm Mexican. Just thought it might be higher.)
**Southern Europe: 7% (Again, as a Mexican, I would expect Spanish blood, I just thought it might be more.)
**Native South American: 6% (Huh?)
**Uncertain: 7%
Questions:
Do Native Americans ever/often come up with Asian results, (since they migrated from Asia)?
Could South Asian be gypsies from Spain?
I'm not sure where the Native South American comes from. Do many Mexicans come up with this? Is this DNA from Natives who were in Mexico and continued on south?
I'm also curious if many Latinos ever come up with Middle Eastern results, since the Moors were in Spain for so long.
I know very little about all this, and I know to take it with a "grain of salt" so to speak. (But I am pretty excited!)
Any thoughts or comments?
Thanks,
Laura Gonzalez
Hi
I have been looking at confirmations in Aguas. Aguas Sagrario. I have found the following:
image 100 = first page for nov 1797
image 120 = firste page for nov 1798
image 124 = first page for march 1822
image 136 end of book, signed and dated 31 Dec 1823.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11855-59365-53?cc=1410092&… This is a link to image 136, if anyone is curious enough to look.... :)
I am actually looking for confirmations between 1808 - 1812. There is a big gap there between 1798 and 1822.
Is it the case that the records noted in 1822/23 cover the period since 1798, or is the info just in another book somewhere?
Regards
Denise Fastrup
I still can't find the parents of Juan Ambrosio De Armas.He was from Nochistlan Zacatecas married Quiteria De Velasco they had about 4 children and thus far thats the only information i have.Please if anyone can help it will really mean alot thanks.
Hello! My name is Ann Marie Gutierrez and I am seeking info on my grandparents and great-grandparents whom I believe where from the area of Los Altos de Jalisco. Specifically around San Diego de Alejandria, San Julian, Purissima or what one individual called, "Los Llanos," de Jalisco. My Grandfather's name: Exiquio or Ezequiel Gutierrez, b. 1869; married Maria Teresa Gomez or Guerrero, b. 1871 were married around 1886? Children of that marriage were: Ricardo b.1903; 2) Franciso, b. 1907; 3) Jose, b. 1909; 4) Maria Socorro, b 12 July 1912. Of course, these are approximate dates since I have not found any documents for them. I would appreciate any assistance I can get on suggestions how to start my search or if anyone is familiar with that area, perhaps they would assist in letting me know what is the name of any church (s) in that area. Was there a certain town that kept civil documents or info?--- any and all info would be welcome. Thank you in advance for any assistance you may provide.
Ann Marie Gutierrez
Chicago, IL
Does anyone know where I could find a padron from the late 1700s listing the inhabitants of Mezquital del Oro, Zacatecas? Specifically, a rancho named El Temascal. I have looked a bit in certain areas of 'Padrones 1772-1784 Arzobispado de Guadalajara', but cannot find anything for it. I'm aware it may have been named something different, but I am almost positive it would have the words 'real', 'del Oro', 'San Juan del Mezquital' or the like.
Does anyone know what jurisdiction modern Mezquital del Oro and nearby ranchos fell under in the 1700s? The closest padron listing I have found is of the community exactly to the North-West, which is currently called Garcia de la Cadena, but was then La Estanzuela. It seems to me that Mezquital del Oro or Real del Oro should be listed along with Estanzuela as its only a couple miles away and there is no closer town... but nothing.
Thanks in advance for any help!
Michael D. Castro
Hello everyone,
I am trying to find info on Bernardo Villalobos and his first wife Juana Dávalos and their 11 children. My great-grandmother Hermelinda Villalobos Dávalos was born in Encarnación de Díaz, Jalisco around 1860 and married in Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco on 3 May 1877.
Bernardo Villalobos married a 2nd time and had another 11 children. I don't know anything else about the 2nd marriage.
I just realized I had written down the names Juan Villalobos and Altagracia Ibarra which I would have gotten from a cousin of my father. They are most likely the parents of Bernardo Villalobos.
Hola a todos,
Estoy tratando de encontrar más información sobre Bernardo Villalobos y su primera esposa Juana Dávalos y sus once hijos. Mi bisabuela Hermelinda Villalobos Dávalos nacio en Encarnación de Díaz, Jalisco alredor de 1860 y se casó en Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco el 3 de Mayo 1877.
Bernardo Villalobos tuvo otros once hijos con su segunda esposa pero no se nada mas sobre ese matrimonio.
Me acabo de dar cuenta que yo habia apuntado los nombres Juan Villalobos y Altagracia Ibarra que me habian dado un tío, primo de mi papá. Han de ser los papás de Bernardo Villalobos.
Un saludo cordial,
Armando
thanks Emilie,,i thought i would find some asian,,I looooove anything Japanese,,Maya is even better,,from our own country,,it is believed that atotonilco el alto was mostly Purepeche Indians so i posed the question on yahoo..it seems that Purepeche are of Mayan descent...i still dont have all my results and no male from my tree has taken their dna test, so i hope to convince them to find out more about my grandfathers side
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Denise,
Thanks, that's pretty interesting. I was thinking last night that the Scandinavian part might have been from the British Isles, since the Vikings were in parts of England and Ireland raping and pillaging. I had no idea there were Scandinavian slaves in Spain; I will definitely read up on this.
Kristine,
If you're Mexican, the Southern European would be expected, even if you haven't found the source yet. Native South American might be from waaaay back when they left some DNA in Mexico on their way to SA. That's what I'm assuming with *my* Native South American results.
Ana,
Your Middle Eastern results are what I was wondering about when I asked if many Latinos come up with this. It might come from Jews/Arabs being in Spain. I wonder how scientists differentiate between Jews and Palestinians tho. Hmmmm... I think the Maya is the part that makes you look Asian.
Errata.
After doing some "research" on the internet, I think my East Asian genes really indicate Native American (which is not totally uncommon), but then why don't they just show up as NA? I also figured and read that many think the South Asian is indeed Gypsy/Roma, which I'm guessing came by way of Spain. I wish I could get my mother to take the test, so we could compare results (tho she's full Mexican).
One of my biggest surprises was how far back the testing went. I'm really surprised by the whole East Asian & Scandinavian parts. I guess there could've been some chinos in my family in Mexico or something, but somehow I don't think so.
Laura Gonzalez
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Chinos in Mexico? My father who was from Zacatecas said there were "chinos", but I found out that they were Filipinos brought in ships from the Philipine Islands. The Philipines were part of King Philip of Spain's empire.
Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
Hi,,I would like to know if anyone knows of any books that might contain images of mexican indians..i know there are quite a few of mayan and aztec indians.how about purepeche ?,,chichimecas ?? and others,,,any help will be greatly appreciated
Hola Primos, me gustaria contactar con descendientes de Juan Jose Campos Gutierrez y de Maria Refugio Gutierrez Padilla (El Tule), ellos estaban afincados en el rancho El Tule hacia los años 1865, tuvieron varios hijos:
06 de junio de 1867, nació Quirina Campos Gutierrez
16 de octubre de 1868, nació Eduardo Campos Gutierrez
13 de diciembre de 1873, nació Otilia Campos Gutierrez
15 de septiembre de 1877, nació Macedonia Campos Gutierrez
27 de mayo de 1879, nació José Felipe Campos Gutierrez
08 de agosto de 1881, nació Emiliana Campos Gutierrez
29 de junio de 1883, nació Maria Petra Campos Gutierrez
01 de julio de 1887, nació Maria Yrenea Campos Gutierrez
30 de agosto de 1890, nació Agustina Campos Gutierrez
Juan Jose fue hijo de Jose Maria Campos Muñoz (La Cajuela) y de Dolores Gutierrez Gonzalez; y Maria Refugio fue hija de Simon Gutierrez Gutierrez (El Tule)y Rita Padilla Alvarez (La Barranca).
Juan Jose Campos Gutierrez estuvo casado anteriormente con Casimira Muñoz Gutierrez con quien procreo dos hijos:
Teresa Campos Muñoz 19 de mayo de 1859
Francisco Campos Muñoz 31 de mayo de 1864
Cualquier información se agradece..
Saludos
thank you very much,,i dont know how to reach them other than using the forum..so i hope they dont get upset at me
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Ask one of the administrators to create a Family Tree in Gedcom for you.
Then after that is done, go to Gedcom section and down under the search engines, select "administration" and it'll bring you to the upload area and select the options that you want and upload your GEDCOM file from your computer. Wait a few minutes then you'll see a bunch of computer symbols, and you're done!
Jose Carlos de Leon
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Hi one and all,,,i finally uploaded my family tree to rootsweb,,,,,so now how do i uploaded here....
http://www.crewcampmgmt.com/wp-content/themes/twentyten/likeit.php?bloc…
Researching: Romero, Hallstead/Halstead, Davis, Hamm, Buell, Beltz, Chandler, Burgess, Hitchcock, de la Torre, Hotchkiss, Moore, Nichol/Nichols, Phelps, Scott, Sherwood, Trowbridge, Barba, Brewster
Hello everyone. I've had a brickwall on my direct paternal line for years and I'm looking all over the place for clues. Anyway, I would like your opinion on the interpretation of a surname that I'm not 100% sure. This might give me an additional clue. Here are the links:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18710-8206-27?cc=1874591&wc=…
(second page on top)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18696-10296-19?cc=1874591&wc…
(the second certificate)
These are the links to my 4th great grandparents Domingo Apodaca and Gertrudis Bonal. The father of Domingo is listed on both documents as Jose Maria Apodaca. The mother is Juana de _____ on one and Paula de _____ on the other one. It is this woman's surname the one that I'm trying to figure out. I have an interpretation, but I haven't seen similar surnames around the area. Any suggestions on what the surname is and where can I find families with this name? Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find any siblings of Domingo so that i can compare names, and the baptisms of Domingo's children do not mention the grandparents.
Thanks.
Steve in NC
Locations of Research Interest: La Hacienda San Antonio de Sauceda,San
Antonio Saucedo,Fresillo, Valparaiso,Zacatecas
Surnames Researching: Esteinou
Hello Nuestros Rancheros!
I am a new member of this group and I am honored to be in your company. I
am researching the Esteinou name. My great-grand father Pedro Esteinou (b.
25 Nov 1828 in Itxassou, France) immigrated to Zacatecas in the mid 1850s
along with his two half-brothers, Juan Pedro Esteinou (b. 21 June 1836 in
Itxassou France) & Juan Esteinou (b. 6 Oct 1840 in Itxassou, France). They
came from the Basque region in France seeking opportunity in ranching and
farming. In Mexico they married and started families.
It is my belief that these family members are part of the Esteinou family
that once owned La Hacienda San Antonio de Sauceda. This information was
posted on Nuestros Rancheros by
San Jose de Llanetes on 18 Aug
2010, http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/18933, and on the Valparaiso
portal: http://portalvalparaiso.com/historia.html.
The following website for La Organización de Comunidades Zacatecanas de
Condado de Orange, CA., which is dedicated to the development and support of
Zacatecas, mentions the Esteinou family again, specifically Don Enrique
Esteinou, as the person who ordered the chapel be built on the property.
http://www.zacatecanosenorange.com/index.php?option=com_content
&view=article&id=65:exhacienda&catid=37:clubes&Itemid=77
I have a few Enrique Esteinous in my tree, the first who was born between
1875 1880, in Zacatecas. I have been unable to locate his baptism record,
but the baptism record of his son Enrique Esteinou (b. 6 Oct 1897) indicates
that his paternal grandparents are Juan Pedro (b. 21 June 1836 in Itxassou,
France) & Mariana Huerta (b. about 1850 in San Mateo Cuatuepec), who are
noted in the 4th generation section of my tree.
What I dont know is which family member or members bought the property, and
what happened to that ownership. I would like to find out if these people
immigrated to Zacatecas knowing that they would be working this ranch or if
they happened upon the opportunity.
Can anyone suggest any books or other resources that might indicate some
helpful information about La Hacienda San Antonio de Sauceda or any of the
other Haciendas of the condado de San Mateo Valparaíso?
Many thanks and I look forward to being a member of this group as I continue
my research.
Margie Esteinou Walsh
go: https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A//familysearch… next look for the record.. marriage, or birth... and the village and date.. look into the original records of:Marriage of Pedro and Mateana 24 jun 1877 San Miguelito Mexquitic, San Luis Potosinext for all their children dates of birth if you check Teofilo Sandate and Evarista Ramires are the grandparents or the paents of mateana, go to the record of Mateana the 27 feb 1862 San Miguel, Mexquitic too, maybe has the grandparents of her... if you don't have any idea where to looking for go: https://familysearch.org/try putting all names and parents and spouse because they could have another first name, and find other brothers and sisters..or put only Sandate in San Luis Potosi, or Valdés.. good lucK, Lety Reynoso children of Pedro and Mateana: José Francisco Valdés cristening 17 oct 1892 San Miguel Arcángel Mexquitic San Luis PotosiMaria Epifania ( Maybe the same Maria because is the same date of chisteninng, or maybe twins ( not probably)let me check if the parents of Mateana are them: Teofilo Sandate and Evarista Ramirez Name:Maria Mateana Sandate Ramires Gender:Female Baptism/Christening Date:27 Feb 1862 Baptism/Christening Place:SAN MIGUEL,MEXQUITIC,SAN LUIS POTOSI,MEXICO Birth Date:Birthplace:Death Date:Name Note:Race:Father's Name:Teofilo SandateFather's Birthplace:Father's Age:Mother's Name:Maria Evarista RamiresMother's Birthplace:Mother's Age:Paternal Grandfather's Name:Paternal Grandmother's Name:Maternal Grandfather's Name:Maternal Grandmother's name:Indexing Project (Batch) Number:C60553-2System Origin:Mexico-ODM Source Film Number:710041 Reference Number:
The following is from my father's birth record...
If I understand it correctly, my father is half Native American.
Can someone please translate this and confirm what I think I'm reading?
"Jose Rogaciano del Real hijo natural del comparente y de Maria Dolores Villasenor, de veinticinco anos, que es el primero en su estado, sindo sus progenitores de raza indigeno blanco y mexicanos por nacimient."
The actual document is posted in my folder if looking at the original will help.
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/UncleRelic
Thanks in advance,
Roy
Hello Everyone!
I want to introduce myself, my name is Kristine, and I am a fellow genealogy enthusiast. I am researching both sides of my family, my father's side comes from San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico and my mother's side, that is still a mystery. They are from Mexico, but not sure where.
I am researching the surnames Roman, Perez, Rangel mostly, among a few others, but those are my focus. Roman being my maiden name.
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/magicalme
Thank you and happy researching!!
Children of Pedro and Mateana:
spouse:Matiana Sandatechild:Maria Epifania Valdezname:Maria Epifania Valdezgender:Femalebaptism/christening date:15 Apr 1902baptism/christening place:Nuestra Señora de la Asunción, Tlaxcalilla, San Luis Potosí, Mexicofather's name:Pedro Valdezmother's name:Matiana Sandateindexing project (batch) number:I03589-1system origin:Mexico-EASysource film number:1156143 spouse:Matiana Sandatechild:Maria Valdezname:Maria Valdezgender:Femalebaptism/christening date:15 Apr 1902baptism/christening place:Nuestra Señora de la Asunción, Tlaxcalilla, San Luis Potosí, Mexicofather's name:Pedro Valdezmother's name:Matiana Sandateindexing project (batch) number:I03589-1system origin:Mexico-EASysource film number:1156143spouse:Mateana Sandatechild:Jose Francisco Valdesname:Jose Francisco Valdesgender:Malebaptism/christening date:17 Oct 1892baptism/christening place:San Miguel Arcángel, Mexquitic de Carmona, San Luis Potosí, Mexicofather's name:Pedro Valdesmother's name:Mateana Sandateindexing project (batch) number:I06825-4system origin:Mexico-EASysource film number:709935
Hello,
I hope someone can help me find more information.
I found a record for my grandparents
(https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18380-28269-28?cc=1874591&wc…) marriage and am trying to get more info on the grooms parents. The record reads "Luis Medina...originario de (?San?) Juan de Dios y vecino de esta parroquia desde la infancia" . I would like to research his parents in those church records but am unsure where to begin, I beleive he was born in Mex. DF but can't find a parish called San Juan de Dios in those records.
Does anyone know where this parish is or have advice on searching for Francisco or Rafaela Lopes de Medina
Thank you!
Monica Ochoa
Hola,
Ojala que alguien me puede ayudar a encontrar más información.
He encontrado un registro de mis abuelos
(https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18380-28269-28?cc=1874591&wc…) matrimonio y estoy tratando de obtener más información sobre los padres de el novio, Luis Medina. El registro dice: "Luis Medina ... originario de (? San?) Juan de Dios y vecino de ESTA parroquia Desde La Infancia". Me gustaría investigar a sus padres en los registros de la iglesia, pero no estoy segura por dónde empezar, yo creo que nació en Mex. DF, pero no puedo encontrar una parroquia se llama San Juan de Dios en esos registros.
¿Alguien sabe donde esta parroquia es, o pueden consejar sobre la búsqueda de Francisco o Rafaela Lopes de Medina
¡Gracias!
Mónica Ochoa
Has anyone in the group had any success in finding any records for Juan Aldama, Zacatecas, prior to 1860?
Or has anyone in the group been researching in the Juan Aldama records?
If so please contact me.
Jonathan Walker
always a day late and a dollar short,,records from ayo are missing altogether ?? or have they not been indexed yet ?? My family connections to Ayo are quite a few...Lemus, Torres and a few others,,any info will be greatly appreciated