Ayuda con Informacion Matrimonial...

Hola,

Podria alguien hacerme el favor de leer la informacion matrimonial de Patricio Grabriel Hernandez y Antonia Manuela Nunez y decirme el nombre y apellido de los 3 testigos presentados y si se menciona... el parentesco con el novio.

Estoy trantando de leer, pero solo entiendo fragmentos de lo ahi escrito. Este es el "link".

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-19039-22235-8?cc=1874591&wc=…

Ante mano... Muchas Gracias,
Roberto Hdez

General Digest, Vol 80, Issue 5

Hi Maria,

If you have time......would you please look up the surname "LIENDO" and sometimes it was spelled "LIENDRO"........I am at a big roadblock with this surname in Zacatecas in the late 1600s and the 1700s. From Zacatecas they went on to Saltillo but I am needing anything in Zacatecas that I can find......Thanks, Maria.......you are so generous!

Hugs,

Josie

On Sep 22, 2012, at 5:04 PM, general-request@lists.nuestrosranchos.org wrote:

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> Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2012 06:29:48 -0700
> From: mcortez
> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Catalago del Archivo del Registro Publico
> de la Propiedad de Guadalajara
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> I borrowed the book: Cat?logo del archivo del Registro P?blico de la
> Propiedad de Guadalajara : libros, de hipotecas 1566-1820 / by David J.
> Robinson & Linda Greenow from the California State Library. This book
> is a Catalog
> and indexes of the mortgage records of the Archive of the Public Register
> of Property of Gualalajara. The register was established at the request of
> don Manuel de Mena, escribano publico mayor del Cabildo de Guadalajara
> (Public Scribe) in March 1721. The Notary was aware of the many fraudulent
> real estate transactions and he wanted to establish this register to combat
> fraud. The Spanish Crown agreed and the register was established. Some
> transactions recorded also include the sale/purchase of mines, dowry
> letters, etc.****
>
> ** **
>
> There are indexes in the back of the book by name(s) and places that makes
> it easy to look up the name of an ancestor or the sale of a specific
> Hacienda, rancho, etc. I have been able to find the ranchos and haciendas
> where some of my ancestors lived and I was able to learn who bought and
> sold the rancho or hacienda along with the date of the transaction. For
> example, I looked up Hacienda del Carrizo where my de la Mora ancestors
> lived, and found this entry: #977, Mo/Year 6.1737, Nombre del Principal: de
> la Mora, Hurtado, Josef, Propiedades: Cuquio: H. El Carrizo, L. de
> Mesticacan; H. Sitio los Serritos; Guad: C.**
>
> ** **
>
> My question is, where can I find the actual documents? Would these
> documents be part of the Tierras y Propiedades or some other collection of
> documents?****
>
> ** **
>
> If anyone would like me to do a lookup for them please let me know.
>
>
> Maria Cortez
>
>

FamilySearch.org

Hey all,

I'm having problems with FamilySearch.org. Have they changed format or something? I'm looking up images and all I get are black pages. I thought it was the new side tool to zoom in/out. This page, for example, is all black. So is every other page I go on. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15087-11664-10?cc=1410092&wc…

I thought I saw this topic posted here, but when I went to look again, I couldn't find it.

Help? :-(

Laura Gonzalez

RITA ISABEL ALVAREZ DE LA CRUZ Y JUAN BECERRA

ALGUIEN ME PUEDE AYUDAR A PALEOGRAFIAR LA PARTIDA DE MATRIMONIO DE JUAN BECERRA Y DE RITA ISABEL ALVAREZ DE LA CRUZ Y DIAZ CASTELLANOS, ELLA HIJA DE CRISTOBAL ALVAREZ DE LA CRUZ Y DE ESTRADA Y DE MARIA ANNA ALVAREZ DE LA CRUZ o DIAZ CASTELLANOS-ALVAREZ DE LA CRUZ, YA QUE LOS PADRES DE JUAN NO LE ENTIENDO, SE CASARON EL 14 DE OCTUBRE DE 1743 EN ATOTONILCO, DE ANTEMANO GRACIAS.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18428-31093-16?cc=1874591&wc…

Introduction

I would like to introduce myself..my name is Juanita Torrez Henniger. We believe that part of my family orginiated from Augascalients and San Luis Potosi. I have been searching for my roots for a few years now. Sometimes the research has been easy, but for my great grandmother's family Tobar or Tovar I have hit a wall. My great grandmother (Romona Tobar/Tovar) passed away one year before I was born so I never got to know her. Romana married Pilar Valdez who was born in San Luis Potosi in 1889. Pilar's parents were Pedro Valdez and Matina Sandate. Pilar and Romona immigrated to Texas in 1912 bringing with them their two daughters Eliza who was born in Piedras Negras (1906) and Herlinda (1912). I'm looking for birth cerificates, bastimal records, marriage records anything. I've searched Family Search, Ancestry.com and other sites.

I have been able to research the Valdez side of the family, but have not been able to get far on Sandate or the Tobar/Tovar of the family. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I know that Pilar worked on the railroads. I have tried to find records for railroads that would list the mexican workers, but have not been able to find that either. One last thing, my Grandfather Esteban always would describe referred to my Great Grandmother Romona as an Indian. Well there I omitted a word he always used to describe her ;) but it seem Great Grandma did not care for her son-in-law very much and had quite a temper.

Once again the families I'm researching are the Tobar/Tovar and the Sandates. Thank you and I look forward to meeting everyone.

General Digest, Vol 43, Issue 2

For those interested in following Los Altos de Jalisco, Northern
California/Sacramento region, you may want to review the life of Martin
Ramirez, incredible artist who spent the later part of his life in an
institution as a result of schizophrenia.

The limited info on his life, indicates he fled Mexico around 1925 after
the Cristero period and was recognized for his work after his death when
much of his work was shown in New York, at the Crocker in Sacramento ...

Here are the links though other's may have info on his geneology..

http://www.metroactive.com/metro/06.20.07/martin-ramirez-0725.html

"""In recent years, thanks to the tireless research of Víctor M. Espinosa
(whose essay, with Kristin E. Espinosa, in the catalog for the show is
invaluable), many particulars about Ramírez have come into focus. He was
born in 1895 in Rincon de Velázquez near the small town of Tepatitlán, east
of Guadalajara in the state of Jalisco.

Los Altos de Jalisco, the region of his birth, maintained a strong Catholic
tradition, and Ramírez absorbed a great deal of Catholic imagery. Much of
that early exposure to church statues and paintings showed up years later in
his art, especially in his monumental paintings of Our Lady of the
Immaculate Conception. A photograph in the Heritage Plaza exhibit shows a
local statue of the Virgin with the iconographic detail of Mary stepping on
the serpent—a detail that Ramírez uses several times in his Madonna
portraits. """

http://www.studio-international.co.uk/reports/ramirez.asp

""""Although great gaps remain in the chronology of the artist's life, it is
known that Ramírez was born in a very religious and conservative part of
Mexico, Los Altos de Jalisco in west-central Mexico. Before leaving Mexico
in August 1925 to seek work in the USA, Ramírez had married and fathered
three girl children. In February 1926, with her husband out of the country,
his wife gave birth to their only son. From 1925 to 1930, Ramírez worked on
the railroad and in the mines of northern California. It seems that the
first traces of his abilities appeared during these years, small drawings in
the margins of letters to his family. In 1931, San Joaquin County police
officers found him homeless, hungry and disoriented and took him to Stockton
State Hospital. Doctors there diagnosed him as manic-depressive. During the
next few years, Ramírez made a number of escapes from confinement but,
finally, in 1934, he returned on his own and thereafter remained in the
institutional system. For all of that time, he did not speak. It seems as if
this was a choice and not a disability. Ramírez spoke Spanish and may have
preferred to express himself in ways that make translation unnecessary. His
works transcend verbal communication and convey, within a single picture,
the essence of a lifetime.

To understand Ramírez, one must have a sense of the changes he experienced
in Mexico and the USA. From 1926-29, a vicious struggle between church and
state tore Mexico and its people apart. Reacting to the anti-clerical
Mexican Constitution of 1917, the rebels waged what they thought of as a
holy war. Ramírez was a Roman Catholic, attended mass and sided with the
rebels. The Ramírez home was destroyed in the conflict and his family lost
everything; when Ramírez received news from home, somehow he decided that
his wife had joined the militant government. At that point, it appears, he
gave up hope of returning to his homeland. Later, in 1952, when a nephew
visited him at the hospital, Ramírez was unwilling or unable to make much of
a connection. """"

http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/cultura/52421.html

http://www.tfaoi.com/aa/7aa/7aa869.htm

http://www.marquand.com/index.php?page=book&bookID=1&type=intro

http://www.moifa.org/exhibitions/past/vernacularvisionaries/vvartistram….
html

http://www.folkartmuseum.org/images/2097/afam_2097.pdf

http://www.folkartmuseum.org/images/2118/afam_2118.pdf

Deborah Ortiz

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Arias de Aguascalientes

Estoy buscando más información de una familia con el apellido Arias en Aguascalientes a principios de los 1800s. Tengo apuntado a José Miguel Arias Moreno, originario y vecino de la villa de Aguascalientes, hijo legítimo de Antonio Arias y Guadalupe Moreno, casado el 14 de febrero de 1818 en Aguscalientes, AGS, con Guadalupe Dueñas Lara, hija de José Toribio Dueñas Nava y Bonifacia Lara y Lira.

Me pregunto si alguien sabrá algo más de estos Arias, en especial si tienen relación con los Arias de Avella / Arias de Orozco, de los cuáles también desciendo [A través de dos de las hijas de Juan Arias de Avella Valdés y su esposa María Orozco]

Les agradezco su atención y espero sus comentarios.

[PS. Recién subí un nuevo GedCom con más ancestros de la zona, disponible para todos los que quieran revisarlo]

Introduction

Greetings fellow geneaologists!

Hi my name is Mario. The names I am researching are Valadez and Berumen in Jerez, Susticacan, and Tepetongo(Zac).

For the Jalisco part of my family, my interest are in the Gomez Family of Ayutla.

Looking forward to corresponding with everyone.

my best,

Mario

Lagos de Moreno 1872-1875

Alguien sabe donde puedo localizar los archivos de nacimientos (registro civil) registrados en Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco del año 1872 hasta el 1875. Gracias.

Does anybody know where I can locate the birth records (civil registration) from Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco from the year 1872 through 1875. Thanks.

Saludoos,

Favián.

RV: abol 2

Everyone needs to send in a properly formatted genealogy report. Look below for just one of the various standard formats.
[[Todos tienen que mandar un reporte en formato estandarizado de genealogia Mire abajo para un ejemplo de los varios formatos estandarizados]]

It is very important that no living people be included in your report (for security reasons) and please also send me your username.
[[Es importante que no hay ninguna persona que todavia vive en su reporte (por razones de seguridad) y que tambien me mandas su nombre de usario.]]

It is ok to use Oral History and to give approximate information if you don't have the exact information. Use this to approximate: In times past young people married at 20 years of age or younger and they had children more or less every other year.
[[Esta bien si usas Historia Oral y que das informacion approxima si no tienes la informacion exacta. Usa esto para dar approxima informacion: en dias antes jovenes se casaron de edad de veinte anos o mas jovenes. Y tubieron ninos casi mas or menos a uno cada dos anos.]]

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Descendants of Francisco Ignacio de Gordoa

Generation No. 1

1.Francisco Ignacio de Gordoa was born Abt. XX in la region vasca de Espa

Registro Civil de Chinampas,en Ojuelos y Cienega de Mata,en Lagos de Moreno

Hola Primos:

Les pido su ayuda, si algen sabe en donde estan las actas de registro civil de chinampas, y cienega de mata para los años 1882 al 1893.
Ya vi que hay unos años que tienen actas de los primeros seis meses en Ojuelos. y unos que tienen los ultimos seis meses. Tambien me di cuenta de las actas de registro civel de cienega de Mata que existen en lagos de moreno. Pero no puedo encontrar doden se encuentranlos meses y años que faltan. Como ya saben en Cienega de mata jalisco, no mas estan matrimonios, y nada mas un año.

Gracias por su ayuda de antemano.

mary caraveo

Announce Digest, Vol 77, Issue 5

This is a late reply to Randy McNeal's message. I too just received a partial results on my Y-DNA testing. I too am surprised at
the conclusions of the test results. Most of my genelogical surnames go back to Northern Spain for about 500 years. The DNA
tests list a whole lot of surnames for Scottish, Irish, English. There are some Dutch, Czech, Polish, Hungarian, Finnish, Icelandic
surnames linked as well. Looking at the geographic migratory history of humans provided in the report provides some understanding
as to how and why there can be a difference. The Northern European surnames are much older than my Hispanic names. Changing of
names, missing genealogical records, clerical errors, the Inquisition, wars, famines, invasions may have played a role in the differences between the DNA records and genealogical records. Just when I thought the puzzle pieces were coming together.
 
By the way Mr. McNeal, I have a "Neal" in my haplogroup, my wife's maiden name is O'Neal. When you get back to the creation period we really are all related.
 
I am purchasing a book on understanding your DNA results. It is definitely needed by me.

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Today's Topics:

  1. DNA results (rmcneal103@msn.com)

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Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 16:26:42 -0700 (PDT)
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Randy McNeal

I just submitted my DNA test through ancestry.com
I know many haven't been happy with the results from ancestry but from the comments I've read it seems that the reasons people are unhappy is due to not researching how people migrated to different parts of the world. For instance many complain that their ancestors were from England but the test results show more Norwegian ancestry and they claim no family from that area. What they don't know is there were many Scandinavian invasions of what is now Great Britain in the 700's so many in Great Britain have this DNA.
Anyway my too long of point is I don't think it matters where you go you just need to be aware that what comes back may look surprising so you may need to do some additional research to make sense of it.

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Marin de Herrera in Tlaltenango

Hi, I've read the film entry of Prudencio Marin de Errera where he married
Nicolaza Paula San Martin Estrada where he married in 1757

It says "no resulto impedimento alguno" and does not mention that he was a
"viudo".

Also, it says he was vecino del rancho de "Ojo dela rana"
It appears he might have been born about 1744

She was from the _________ dela Ena?
His father was Luis Marin Herrera and mother Maria Roza Serrano (both
deceased by 1757)
Her father was Gregorio San Martin Estrada and Maria Elena Magallanas

I am trying to figure out where they all were born??? Although both
Prudencio and Nicolaza are listed as "Espanoles", I truly doubt they were born in
Spain....

The reason I think that Prudencio might have been married several times is
that in batch number C607125, film number 443811 - a grandaughter born in 1817
(Maria Felipa de los Dolores) was born to PRUDENCIO HERRERA and MANUELA
ESTRADA and RODUCINDO DE ROBLES and PAULINA CABALLERO - the father was LUIS
HERRERA and RUFINA ROBLES. Additionally, there was another granchild born in 1825
with the same data: Jose Andres Herrera Robles - same parents.

But then in 1829, once again a grandchild was born Jose Francisco Herrera
Robles to Luis Herrera, and it states that the grandparents were Prudencio
Herrera and Paula Estrada.

Luis Herrera (son of Prudencio) was a widower when he married Rufina de
Robles.

Unfilmed genealogical documents and genealogical books

Message from elviraz elviraz@...

To Everyone who mentioned the unfilmed records in Zacatecas in our areas of
interest:

Now is the time for action. Please! Can anyone give me specifics? Book
numbers pages, loose pages, etc.

I sent an e-mail to Benicio Samuel Sanchez Garcia regarding what was
said. He is interested and would like specifics. When he asks he usually
does something about it. He is in a position to do. The email below is
what I had sent him. I guess no one contacted him from this group. Please
send me (or him if you prefer, mentioning this e-mail) of the documents or
books that need to be filmed, loose pages, where they are, who is in charge
at the locale, phone numbers or address if you have it, and contact person.
Please send me as much information as you have on hand about the unfilmed
documents or books.

I believe he was expecting me to send the information needed. I sent him
pat o the info as a heads up but not all the e-mails from the group
discussing the need to film some more documents.

Can you all do this ASAP? I would like to take advantage of this since
I believe Mr. Sanchez is in a position to help us and has expressed an
interest. He mentions the book found in Santiago, Nuevo Leon. I am assuming
that that his outfit is gettiing ready to microfil again. Let's take
advantage of that; who knows, we might find some more family!

The following is the e-mail I received from him today. Below it is my
original e-mail to him.

Elvira

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Trying to find any relation to Victoriano Ramirez (El Catorce) from San Miguel el Alto, Jalisco

I have my grandmothers birth certificate from 1902 my great grandfather
was Casimiro Marquez Ramires San Miguel el Alto, Jalisco. His parent were:

Miguel Marquez & Feliciana Ramires marriage 5-28-1849 San Miguel el Alto
children:
Casimira Marques Ramires birth 17 Aug 1856 [film 279428]
Anastacia Marques Ramires birth 19 Apr 1860
Casimiro Marques Ramires birth 06 Mar 1862
Juana Marques Ramires birth 03 Nov 1867

Casimiros 1st marriage was with Ma Santos Gonzalez had the following children:
Emilio,Pascual, Dario, Eustacia, Eligia, Ma En Gracia

Casimiros 2nd marriage was with Gabriela Hernandez from San Miguel her parents were Francisco Hernandez and Teresa Munoz. They had 2 children Candelaria and Ma Carmen
Hernandez Marquez.

I did get an email from a direct family member nephew Maximino Ramirez and only remembers his granfather Pedro telling him that he had much affection for the Marquez family. I did verify that through his great grandfather Victoriano Ramirez dad Carlos Ramirez Ramirez parents were Mariano Ramirez and Candelaria Ramirez. Through his information Pedro Ramirez Lopez married Maria Gonzalez Lopez and had many children in Mexico City, Guadalajara, Baja Ca. as well as in Los Angeles.

Libro Familias Antiguas de Tlaltenango

En estos dias hice una queja a la empresa LuLu que distribuye el libro de Familias antiguas de Tlaltenango, ya que hice mi pedido desde el 14 de junio de este ano y aun no lo he recibido, la empresa se contacto conmigo y amablemente me informo que me enviarian nuevamente el libro ya que el otro se perdio en el camino. Lo mejor para mi fue que lo recibire sin ningun costo extra.

Gracias