there was a book in our links section that had a graf showing the tribes and which of the 4 Native American Haplogroups their women had. I think it was called something abt the Red Road? I tried getting into it and the link sent me somewhere else.. Can anyone tell me how to access this book again..
thank you, Linda in Everett
Hola Jesus , estoy loco,lo que dices es cierto , En www.familysearch.org puso los dos nombres Ynes Martin y Maria Martin con las fechas el 5 de mayo 1726 . Las dos mujeres tienen la misma fecha y lugar de nacimiento . Esta la cosa muy rara o el sitio de familysearch esta mal. O hablando de los Morenos creo que son los mismos. que tienes de Ana Petra Moreno ? No se si ayudo los dos nombres de los padres de Fermina Sanchez( Toribio Sanchez y Maria Nieves) . Platicaba mi Mama que mi abuelo dijo que Ignacio Hermosillo era un hombre con oyos azules y su esposa(Fermina sanchez) una India , no hay pruebas.
Espermos tus pensamientos
Ronnie(Ronald)
Hello
Here is a link to the image of the baptism of Jose Francisco Romo, son of Don Thomas Romo and grandson of Don Manuel Romo originally from Aguascalientes. They lived in San Buenaventura, Coahuila. All grandparents are listed.This information has been available in the digitalized records of family search but now I have the image. NEW: maternal grandmother Da. Maria Candelaria de la Garza TIJERINA (Tijerina is not on the digitalized record)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11849-168170-34?cc=1410092…
Regards
Denise
Domingo, 11 Jan 2009
Mas Hijos de Miguel ANGULO y Maria Antonia DIAZ
#5 El nombre no es Jose Samuel pero correcto es--
Jose Manuel ANGULO n. 1757
c. #1. Maria Antonia NAVARRO--solamente una hija n. 1790 y
bap. en Atotonilco el Alto, Jal.
c. #2 Maria Feliciana OROSCO--5 hijos 1817--1825 en Mariche,
Atotonilco el Alto
#6 Juana Maria ANGULO n. 15 Jul 1759 in Soledad, Atotonilco el Alto, J.
c. con Juan Lucas AZEVES Loza 1 Jul 1778 in Tepatitlan de Morelos,
Jal.--4 ninos 1786-1796 en Tepatitlan de Morelos, Jal.
#7 Don Jose Rafael ANGULO n. cerca de 1762
c. Dona Juana Maria HERNANDES--10 hijos en Santa Quiteria, Atotonilco
el Alto, Jal. 4-jUl 1789-11 Feb 1810.
#8 Vicente ANGULO n. 1765
c. con Dona Maria Lionarda FLORES cerca de 1793--no hijos
#9 Maria Margarita ANGULO n. 1767
Una nota--debe siempre decir Atotonilco el Alto porque hay varias Atotonilcos en Jalisco.
Saludos de San Diego, California
Patricia Burton
--- On Sun, 1/11/09, leticia reynoso wrote:
> From: leticia reynoso
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Navarro/Angulo/Aceves Info.
> To: "s s" , "genealogy groups"
> Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 1:26 PM
> Miguel ANGULO c. con Maria Antonia DIAZ cerca de 1746 en
> Mexicoy Algunos de Sus Hijos: 1. Cathalina Rafaela ANGULO n.
> 1747 en Atotonilco el Alto, Jal. c. 16 May 1770 in
> Tepatitlan de Morelos, Jal. con Hipolito Caciano LOMELIN
> 2. Maria de san jose Martha ANGULO Diaz en 1771
> 3.Vicente Roman ANGULO Diaz en 1766
> 4.Rita Solena ANGULO Diaz 1768
> 5.José Samuel ANGULO Diaz 1757
> 6.José Maria Francisco ANGULO DIAZ n 1754 ***casa 30 ene
> 1788 con Ana Maria Aceves en Tepatitlan tienen a:
>
> 1.Francisco ANGULO ACEVES + Eduviges Hernandez (casados
> el 14 may 1828 en Tepa)
> Jose Gerardo (n1836) + Alvina Garcia
> (M:1865) con Lucía Casillas (M:1876 tapona)
> Jose Santa Ana (n1839) + Ventura Ruiz
> (n1841) (M:1854)
> Juan (n 8feb1835)
> José Marcial (1840)
> Hermenegildo (1829)
>
> 2.José Maria Franco. ANGULO ACEVES nace 23 ago 1795 +
> Maria Polonia Hernandez M: 2 mar 1824 en tepatitlan:
>
> Maria Petra ANGULO HERNANDEZ (n 19oct1832
> twin)
> Jose Pedro ANGULO HERNANDEZ (19 oct 1832)
> Francisco de la Natividad ANGULO HERNANDEZ
> (11oct1835)
> José María ANGULO HERNANDEZ (25dic1830)
> Maria Luisa ANGULO HERNANDEZ (15dec1827)
> José Onofre ANGULO HERNANDEZ(15 jun1825)
> + Ma. Eleuteria Margarita NAVARRO(n 20feb1827) (M.10 ago
> 1848)hija de Cleto Navarro +Ma Eduviges Romero
>
> Hijos de José Onofre Angulo y Eleuteria Navarro:
>
> Jose Amado ANGULO NAVARRO(1849) +
> Nicolasa Hernandez _______Librado NAVARRO HERNANDEZ
> Maria del refugio ANGULO NAVARRO
> (4jul1850)
> Nicolas de la Trinidad ANGULO NAVARRO
> (10sep1855)
> Margarita ANGULO NAVARRO (3ago1853) +
> Leonardo Navarro
>
> Leonardo Navaro+ Margarita Angulo Navarro casados el 2 jun
> 1872 ayo el chico Jalisco tienen además a:
>
> Leonardo Navarro Angulo + Refugio
> Hernandez
> Carolina Navarro Angulo (1888) +
> Juan Prieto Ortiz (oaxaca)
>
> Carolina Navarro y Juan Prieto: (M:1905)
> Alicia Fortunata PRIETO NAVARRO 1908
> Carlos PRIETO NAVARRO 1911
> Guillermo PRIETO NAVARRO 1915
> Blanca PRIETO NAVARRO 1916
>
> Muchas Gracias Paty Burton te comparto mi info también
> tengo info de los que estan casados y sus padres e hijos..¿
> Saben algo de Maria Polonia Hernandez?
> Leticia Reynoso
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I was chatting with someone who is from Hacienda San Mateo of Valparaiso, Zacatecas, Mexico and knows a lot of the history of "Conde Don Fernando De La Campa Y Cos"
We were talking about the Astillero. I told him my family was at "Rancho De Los Maderas" of Huejuquilla El Alto during Colonial Mexico.
He mentioned to me in spanish:
"Lo que ustedes representaron fue la clase de los rancheros.
La primera merced de tierras que les dieron a los Madera fue en el rancho de Palmitos en 1697-98.
La merced se les ratificó en 1758."
I am not familiar with Rancho de Palmitos (I might have come across that name when I browsed through archives).
But there are three Rancho Maderas near Huejuquilla El Alto. And when I was research my family tree, found that my Paternal great great great grandfather Juan Venancio Madera, "Espanol" was born in Rancho De Los Maderas (Rincon De Los Maderas) aproximelty in the 1760's since I can't remember the exact date.
My Great Grandfather is name Calixto Madera who is the son of Patricio Madera and Maria Dimas De La Paz. Aproximate birth is 1856 in Rancho Jimulco? of Huejuquilla, Jalisco, Mexico.
I found a Census (Padrones) of Huejuquilla, Jalisco, Mexico and all the surrounding ranchos of the year 1828 - 1830. I browsed the census searching for a Patricio Madera and found one in Rancho Ximulco:
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/1352/patriciomadera39yrs1830.jpg
http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/1352/patriciomadera39yrs1830.jpg
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18448-6691-33?cc=1874591&wc=…
On Census of 1830 he is a Rancho Ximulco, 39 years old, married to Tomasa Munoz 36 years old. That would mean when Patricio had my great granfather Calixto Madera with Maria Dimas De La Paz around the year 1856, Patricio was 65 years old?
Using the age of Patricio of 39 years old in the 1830 Census of Rancho Ximulco of Huejuquilla. I checked the Bautismo records and found Patricio Madera registered as:
"Jose Patricio Madera" February 1792 son of Juan Benancio Madera/Maria Josefa Torre? Padrino - Jose De Jesus Escalante
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18434-46828-36?cc=1874591&wc…
http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/7817/greatgreatgrandfatherjo.jpg
http://img857.imageshack.us/img857/8076/josepatriciomadera1792.jpg
I have gone to the LDS family history center and scrolled through the microfilm of Padrones 1828 of the village of Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico and all the surrounding Ranchos (So many of them) and nearby Hacienda San Antonio De Padua, Tenzompa, San Nicolas.
I already have done my family research back in the 1990's, wrote down dates, families, locations in my notebook which I still have. Also made copies back then. But I threw those copies away, but I still have my notebooks.
I re-ordered a microfilm that I specifically want to see a Census of a Rancho where my Madera Family is at and made copies just recently and will explain who is on it. There are a lot of Ranchos and also the census of Huejuquilla. I did not have the time to make copies of all of them as also there was someone using the only Digital Copier. So I managed to make copies of Rancho De Los Maderas.
Here is "Rancho De Los Maderas" 1828:
http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/8408/ranchodelosmaderahuejuq.jpg
http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/8614/unledlw.jpg
http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/7341/unled1lp.jpg
NEED HELP IN WHAT ABBREVIATIONS MEAN? Also it lists age.
C = Casado
S = ?
P = Parbulo?
D = ?
In that first page, "Marcelo Madera" is the grandfather of Maria Clemencia Madera who is the wife of my great great grandfather Calixto Madera (Rancho Jimulco) and the father of Benito Madera - (Benito Madera is the father of Maria Clemencia Madera)
From my notebook - Marcelo Madera was baptized in 1780 by his parents Lasaro Madera and Micaela Perales. Residence is Rancho (Rincon De Los Maderas. Married Juana Ramirez
Benito Madera - was baptized by his Father Marcelo Madera and mother Juana Ramirez in 1836. Residence Rancho De Los Maderas. Benito Madera was married to Maria Estanislao Munoz
Maria Clemencia Madera is the daughter of Benito Madera/Maria Estanisloa Munoz - Residence Rancho (Rincon De Los Maderas.
Calixto Madera (residence Rancho Jimulco) is the husband of Maria Clemencia Madera and parents of Antonio Madera Madera.
Here is the title page as proof of Padrones of Huejuquilla El Alto 1828:
Hola que tal estoy buscando informacion respecto al fallecimiento (o cualquier otro dato) de Miguel Villalobos Velazquez de Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco. Existe un acta de nacimiento que establece que nació el 14 de mayo de 1870 y que sus padres eran Bernardo Villalobos y Ygniacia Velazquez. El único dato que tengo por el momento es uno que proviene de un acta de nacimiento de un nieto de él de nombre Rafael Villalobos Rodriguez nacido en Tizayuca, Hidalgo el 3 de abril de 1909, (quien viene a ser mi bisabuelo) donde menciona que su padre Miguel Villalobos Rodriguez ya habia fallecido. Este dato quiere decir que tuvo que haber fallecido dentro de los nueve meses de embarazo de su esposa si no, no creo que se asentaría en el acta de nacimiento que era hijo natural de aquél. En cualquier caso, estoy buscando cualquier informacion respecto a este personaje (Miguel Villalobos Velazquez)y creo que pudo haber fallecido en Lagos, pero no estoy muy seguro. Gracias por su ayuda.
Twins baptised with the same name is the topic of my previous post with the name Maria Francisca del Rosario, not those two specific girl twins. Just wanted to make that clear...
Regards
Denise
Hello
I am going through baptisms for Aguascalientes in the late 1700's for espanoles. I came across something odd - baptism of twin girls (last name Guerrero) who are given the exact same name. Plus, in the entry immediately preceding, yet another girl (Gonzales) with the same given name:
Maria Francisca del Rosario.
That's three girls, same given names, same date of baptism (6 oct. 1795), all espanol. Here's the link:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11044-118649-3?cc=1410092&…
These have nothing to do with my research,but if both twin girls survived into adulthood and had children, it must have been confusing for them! And from our perspective, it might look like one Maria who had two husbands...
Has anyone ever seen anything like this?
Regards
Denise
Andres Fonseca and Petra Rodrigues had several children born in San Diego De Alejandria between 1819 and 1831 and maybe earlier although those records are missing. Andres' parents were Rafael Fonseca and Maria Antonia Santos. Does anyone know the probable travel route or city of origin of early San Diego De Alejandria families? Thanks. I would appreciate any assistance. Evie Villegas
Anyone else having problems with loading images from Family Search? Have they changes their website setup or something?
Denise
Joseph, I wish you a safe and pleasant trip and hope and pray your brother
recovers quickly. God Bless.
Ann M. Gutierrez
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From: Joseph Puentes
To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thu, September 6, 2012 6:38:01 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] My Trip To San José
I’ll be travelling to San José to visit my brother as he recovers from a
very serious illness. The critical part of his illness is past but he has a
long road ahead to full recovery.
If it works out I plan on having lunch with Alicia Carrillo in San José
sometime during the 2nd week of October maybe the 11th or 12th if she is
free on one of those dates. I will be taking her to lunch at a small Vegan
restaurant The Happy Bamboo (http://www.happybamboo.com/). Let me know if
anyone else would like to join us and I’ll try to firm up the date.
Note: this will not be a genealogy related event just lunch with a friend or
two.
Joseph
Joseph Puentes
Saw an interesting article on Yahoo news. It's about time our music was respected and taught in Mexico!
http://news.yahoo.com/mexico-opening-first-mariachi-school-231919808.ht…
I found a baptism record for my 6th great grandfather, Joseph Feliz Almaguer born 11 Dec 1711 in Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico, but can't make heads or tails of the writing. If anyone would be willing to take a stab at it and let me know what they think I would really appreciate it. It is the first record on the upper left hand side of the page. The link is below.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18573-17799-65?cc=1874591&wc…
Thank you all in advance.
I apologize for my previous post with out a topic line
I uploaded a doc with names of the Romos I came across while going through marriages of Aguascalientes (Sagrario) and baptisms of Calvillo (late 1700's). The links to images are of course also provided. If this has your interest, see under Member files, R, Romo notes, no relation to Romo of Nadadores. I meant to put it under my name (Denise Fastrup) but it shows up under R for Romo, not F for Fastrup.
Regards,
Denise Fastrup
I found this interesting death entry:
114 men died fighting the Spanish war on 11 Apr 1811 in Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico. Only 16 were identified. Attached is the death records image. It's the 3rd entry on the left side.
"114 muertos por las armas del Rey"
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18454-53663-46?cc=1874591&wc…
Joseph de Leon
Hola Joseph,
I have my grandparents who migrated to New Mexico in 1912. My grandfather was a Martinez.
Sofia
> From: makas@nc.rr.com
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 07:09:17 -0400
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Montoya, Valdez(s), Quintana, Vigil, Martin(es)ez), Duran in New Mexico
>
> Does anyone in the group have Montoya, Valdez(s), Quintana, Vigil,
> Martin(es)ez), Duran.
>
> Who migrated to New Mexico? If so I have a contact person for you.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Joseph
In my last introduction, I did not have a genealogy file folder set up. It is located under "Stofleth" under the "Member Genealogies" link of the "Files" tab - or at http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/azua-stofleth.
My wife's grandfather is from Rincon de Romos, Aquascalientes - his name was Joaquin Azua (1891-1984). Joaquin's wife was Domatila Guerra (1891-1969). I have traced their roots in this area back to the mid/early 16th Century. She also has northern New Mexico roots that extend back into Zacatecas and Jalisco. I will post these conncetions when I can make them tractable.
Please take a few moments to look at my file and see if there are connections with your own - I would be very interested in learning more about the history and population of this area.
I have spent many hours reading through scanned images on the LDS website for San Jose de Gracia - I think I know everyone by name by now who lived between 1800 and 1900 - OK, almost everyone; ...and am learning new Spanish/Portuguese words.
Thank you all for allowing us to join.
Jerry Stofleth, Paula Azua
message 2 2. Help reading baptism record from 1711 (rmcneal103@msn.com)
it reads"Joseph Feliz, espanol ( espl) hijo legitimo de Agustin Almaguer y Francisca ---mila Lopez , espanoles, vecinos de esta villa,padrinos Manuel Lopez y Maria Ximenes, espanoles vecinos de esta villa."that's it !!! julietamartha
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> I found a baptism record for my 6th great grandfather, Joseph Feliz Almaguer born 11 Dec 1711 in Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico, but can't make heads or tails of the writing. If anyone would be willing to take a stab at it and let me know what they think I would really appreciate it. It is the first record on the upper left hand side of the page. The link is below.
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18573-17799-65?cc=1874591&wc…
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> Thank you all in advance.
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> I found a baptism record for my 6th great grandfather, Joseph Feliz Almaguer born 11 Dec 1711 in Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico, but can't make heads or tails of the writing. If anyone would be willing to take a stab at it and let me know what they think I would really appreciate it. It is the first record on the upper left hand side of the page. The link is below.
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> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18573-17799-65?cc=1874591&wc…
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> Thank you all in advance.
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I can't decode what this document is saying so if anyone one can please help.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15188-252-77?cc=1410092&wc=6…
Marriage of Nicolas Armas & Juana De Lcoalde
December 8 1678
Hello all,
I am doing research for my wife's family (and of course for my kids as well). My lineage is German on top of German, with a little German thrown in. However, my wife's parents hail from Aguascalientes (on her father's side) and Pecos, New Mexico (on her mother's side) - as it turns out however, there are many connections to Aguascalientes, Zacatecas and Jalisco from the population of northern New Mexico, which is going to make this research even more interesting.
My wife's grandfather (Joaquin Azua) migrated to Gallup, New Mexico with his wife (Domatila Guerra) and three young children in 1925 from Rincon de Romos, Aguascalientes. Joaquin was perportedly orphened when he was young and actually raised without knowledge of his parents - this from word of mouth within the Azua family. However, based on some rudimentary information: place of birth and birth year (which was not correct), I was able to find Joaquins baptism record by poring through scanned images on the LDS website for the Church at San Jose de Gracia - lots of work. I did eventually find his baptism record, and then his parents, paternal and maternal grandparents and padrinos. From that point I utilized the LDS records, transcribed and scanned, to build a tree for this side of the family.
Surnames on Joaquin's side are: Azua, Asua, de Asua, Delgadillo, Munoz, Ramires, Dias, Gutierrez, Pacheco, Herrera, Rodriquez, Lobato, Ramirez. Surnames on Domatila's side are: Guerra, Gonzalez, Soto, Moreno, Macias, Rios, Garcia, Martinez.
As it turns out, many of the family members from my wife's mother's side (Pecos, New Mexico) have roots in this same area of Mexico as well. For those of you who are not aware, northern New Mexico was settled by the influx of descendants of conquistadors - most have heritage connected directly back to Spanish lands grant, many were members of the 1598 Juan de Oñate campaign, and many others were members of the Don Diego de Vargas settlement after the Puebo Indian revolts. Several of these surnames can be traced back to Aguascalientes, Zacatecas and Jalisco from the 14th and 15th centuries - I look forward to trying to make these connections more concrete, perhaps connect to the Francisco Coronado exploration.
Surnames from these Northern New Mexico settlements include: Vigil, Montes Vigil, Perez de Bustillo, Hurtado, Martin Barba, Garcia, Martin Serrano (Hernan Martin Serrano), Tellez Giron, de Zamora.
Thanks for allowing us to join the site, and we look forward to an interesting interaction.
Jerry Stofleth, Paula Azua
What church records should I be searching to find a baptism record from 1827?
T.I.A.,
Roy
I found a baptism record for my 6th great grandfather, Joseph Feliz Almaguer born 11 Dec 1711 in Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico, but can't make heads or tails of the writing. If anyone would be willing to take a stab at it and let me know what they think I would really appreciate it. It is the first record on the upper left hand side of the page. The link is below.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18573-17799-65?cc=1874591&wc…
Thank you all in advance.
Hello
Does anyone have a link to the church baptism records for espanoles for Aguascalientes in the late 1700's? I am searching the records for 1798 - 99 but it seems like they are for castas other than espanoles. I am trying to find the birth record for Manuel Romo, son of Don Raphael Romo and Raphaela Aguilar.
Regards
Denise Fastrup
