Hello,
I discovered one of my relatives, Ana Dominga Martinez, daughter of Jose María Martinez and Dorotea Guerra,my 5th great grandparents, was born 04 Aug 1808, and baptized 09 Aug 18/08 (Nuetra Señora de la Asunción), in San Carlos, Nuevo León, MX. She was identified as "Parbula española". Can someone enlightened me as to what this term means? It is my first encounter.
Thank you.
Paul Gomez
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
paul.gomez@verizon.net
Hello everyone! Just as I found out about the sixteenth-century patriarch of the García de Alba family a while back, I have also found the Ortega patriarch of that same century. For those of you who have Casilda de Ortega Maldonado or Catalina de Ortega Maldonado (both sisters) in your family trees, let me inform you that they are both descendants of Antonio de Ortega, encomendero and landowner of Colima. I found this out, because meanwhile scanning previews of "Ameca protofundación mexicana", I found this excerpt:
"En 1581 obtuvo del virrey conde de Coruña, en Ixtlanejo, un sitio para ganado mayor, don Antonio de Ortega; este poblador lo fue de verdad, pues fundó una vigorosa familia que mucho significaría en los siglos inmediatos, ligada a otras proceres, como fueron Maldonado, Topete, García de Alba, Arrióla y Villaseñor."
From "de Ortega", the surname would later evolve into "de Ortega Maldonado" thus creating the ancestral family of southern-central Jalisco.
Here is the link to the excerpt
http://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&hl=en&q=ameca+conde+de+coruna+1581…
...and here is the link to a biography of Antonio de Ortega
http://books.google.com/books?id=AdIs_kXt8zcC&pg=PA376&dq=antonio+de+or…
With the help of Armando, I have identified my first connection back to Spain.
About 1759, Pedro de Choperena of Aranaz, Navarra, Spain married to Maria Bauptista de Yndart. Upon reaching Mexico, she gave birth to Juaquin Choperena born 1771 in Totatiche, Jalisco. Juaquin married Victoriana Martinez on 16 Sep 1801.
I have posted a chart in my file folder:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/UncleRelic
There are numerous family names that be of interest to the Forum, including Larrea, Caballero, Martinez, Avila, Holguin, del Real, Loretto, Ortega, Valdes, Escobedo, Pinedo, Ramos,and Viramontes.
Hopefully, someone will find a connection to my line.
Saludos,
Roy
After much searching, I have finally found my 4th great grandfather's death registration in the Church records. That is the good news. The bad news is, though I have learned enough Spanish from reading the Baptismos, Defunciones, and matrimonials to fill in the dates, there are still some things I am unable to decipher and I need help.
Would someone please help me read the record for the death of Don Juachin Romero? It is listed in the Mexico, Jalisco, Catholic Church records for 1590-1995. The city isTepatitlan de Morelos, the church is San Francisco de Asis, Defunciones 1780-1800. The image is 162 of 511. It is number 1622 on the page. Maybe you can get there by clicking on this: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18572-64339-29?cc=1874591&wc…
The writing is clear, the abbreviations maddening, and I don't understand the references to Cuadrillero and Tambardillo. I believe they mean police and a type of medicine but I can't figure out the context.
If someone will take a peek and let me know what it actually says, I will be most grateful.
Thank you for your help.
Linda Romero
Que tal Amigos;
Sigo con el proyecto genealogico de Santa Anita, Jalisco.
Les comparto este enlace.
http://proyectosantaanita.blogspot.mx/2012/07/haciendas-y-ranchos-de-sa…
Saludos y Todo lo mejor!
Veronica Rodriguez
Mr/Ms Hernandez ---------(sorry I don't know your name, you did not sign your post),
I checked Family Search for all the Villalpandos/Vialpandos listed for Spain and they all originated in Valladolid, not in Cadiz. The only entry for a Vialpando for Cadiz is one submitted by someone in New Mexico, and not from an official baptism record. So, I think they mistook Jerez de la Frontera for Jerez, Zacatecas.
I did see a tree submitted to Family Search by someone in NM that listed a Juan Vialpando's (married to a Romero) birthplace as "Villa de Leon", not Villa de Conil. Is that Juan your ancestor? What other document do you have?
I did not find a Villa de Leon in Zacatecas. Leon is in Guanajuato, and on the Family Search list there are dozens of Vialpando/Villalpando there starting in the early 1600s. It looks like the first Vialpandos in Mexico arrived in the early 1600s in Mexico City (Mexico State) and moved to Puebla, next to Mexico state, then moved up north to the states of Guanajuato, Aguascalientes and Jalisco. There are a few listed for Durango and Zacatecas, but not too many. I don't see them listed for any other states, except New Mexico.
My husband's Villalpandos were from Aguascalientes and Jalisco in the 1600s, and the state of Guanajuato is right next door, to the east. The city of Leon (villa de Leon) is close to other major cities of Jalisco and to the west and north is Aguascalientes. Farther to the west is Zacatecas.
Maybe way, way back your Vialpando lines are connected to my husband's Villalpandos.
I don't know the names of your Vialpandos so I couldn't look for them in the records for Leon, Guanajuato or Jerez, Zacatecas.
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA
Hello
I have found a marriage dispensation from 1796 for
Jose Raphael Romo,Puesto de Sausillo, age 27,son of Antonio Romo and Mariana de Alba:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18414-48481-39?cc=1874591&wc…
in which the pretenza is
Maria Olaya (Olalla) Gutierrez, Puesto de el Tigere (?), age 16, daughter of Manuel Gutierrez (deceased by the time the dispensa was written)and Maria de Alba.
Maria de Alba and Mariana de Alba have common GG grandparents:
Alonso de Alba and Xasinta Ximenez.
There is no mention of a previous marriage for this particular Jose Raphael Romo (who may or may not have married Maria Casilda Rafaela Aguilar Chavez).
There were two Jose Raphael Romos born to Antonio Romo (died 1776) and Mariana de Alba:
Jose Raphel Prudencio Romo (chr. 1765) and Jose Raphael Silvestre Romo (chr 1767)
There is no mention of the names Silvestre or Prudencio in the dispensa, but due to the age given, it is more likely Silvestre who was christened in dec. of 1767.
I am wondering: Has anyone found the name Jose Raphael Prudencio Romo on a document after 1765? anything - padrino, witness, etc?
I have looked for the marriage itself (Raphael and Olaya)in the marriage records for Rincon de Romos for 1796 but did not find it. Still looking...now in 1797...
Regards,
Denise
Does anyone have information on Rancho Mesillas, Tepezala Aguascalientes?
My great grandfather supposedly owned that ranch. It was where my Mother
was born. Thanks!
Yes, I have also come across this situation. My g-g-g-grandmother was born
in Pinos, Zacatecas. Her surname was Felipa Hernandez. Her parents were
José Obispo Hernandez and María Encarnación Montalvo. Her baptismal record
gives all these names. Her first husband was Felipe Vasquez. They married
in Catorce, San Luis Potosí. Their marriage record gives her name as
Felipa Hernandez. They had three children, all born in Catorce. The
baptismal records of all three of their children give Felipas surname as
Hernandez. The grandparents names are given correctly. Felipe died and
Felipa remarried to Catarino Martinez. Their marriage record (in Catorce)
gives her name as Felipa Hernandez, widow of Felipe Vasquez. Catarino and
Felipa had six children, all born in Catorce. On each of their baptismal
records, their mother is listed as either Felipa Lopez or Felipa Montalvo
(her mothers name). The grandparents are listed as José Obispo Lopez and
María Encarnación Montalbo. So, why did Felipa (and her father, Obispo)
change their names to Lopez? Im really puzzled! Any ideas, anyone?
Beverly
Hello,
I need help if I am looking for a baptism record from 1872 in San cristobal on Family Search which town in Jalisco would I start?
They have:
Colotlán Huejuquilla el Alto Los Aguajes Mezquitic Refugio
Please let me know if you know.
Thanks,
Pauline
I have come across an interesting situation with one branch of my family the baptism record and marriage record show my 2nd great grandmother as Maria Matilde Medel (born 1833 in San Miguel el Alto, Jalisco, Mexico) with her parents as Ygnacio Medel and Maria Pabla De Los Dolores Almaguer and her husband as Bernardo Reynoso.
When I was checking the baptism records of their children some of the actual records have Matilde's and her father's and grandfather's last name as Lampon.
Three questions, has anyone else come across situations like this and why would they use different last names in records and the third question does anyone have any information on the Lampon family in Los Altos area?
Thanks for any and all information.
Hello All,
I was just wondering if there is a particular database, resource, etc to find pictures or images. To match the name with a face of some kind? Does anyone know if a fruitful online resource for finding pictures or images for these ancestors? I have found many passport photos through the family search weblinks, but I am looking for a significant online newspaper archive. Somewhere I might place the names of ancestors with their image, work history, or other story. It seems that some of my line goes back many, many generations in Guadalajara, Encarnacion de Diaz and the surrounding towns so this area is of special interest to me.
Thanks in advance
Monica Ochoa (MAZO)
Saludos,
Queria preguntar si hay una base de datos, recursos, etc para encontrar fotos o imágenes. Para coincidir el nombre con una cara de algún tipo? ¿Alguien sabe si un recurso establesido en línea para encontrar fotos o imágenes de esos antepasados? He encontrado muchas fotos de pasaporte a través de los enlaces web Family Search, pero estoy buscando un archivo en línea significante. En algún lugar puede ser que coloque los nombres de los antepasados con su imagen, historia laboral, o de otra historia. Parece que mucho de mi línea se encuentra por generaciones en Guadalajara, Encarnación de Díaz y de los pueblos de los alrededores por lo que esta zona es de especial interés para mí.
Gracias,
Mónica Ochoa (Mazo)
Hola todos--
Me gustaría recordarles que el esfuerzo no es solo mio, sino también de varios voluntarios que han ofrecido su tiempo para el beneficio de todos nosotros.
Si hay otros aquí que puedan contribuir--favor de ponerse en contacto conmigo.
Saludos,
-Claudia
Convoco a los Sanchez de las poblaciones de Jerez, Tepetongo, Monte Escobedo, Tepechitlan, Garcia de la Cadena, Colotlan, y zonas aledañas a realizarse una prueba de ADN para realizar nexos genealogicos.
Ahorita estan de oferta las pruebas ver Announcement Forum Topics.
El ADN a probar seria R1b1a2a1a1b P-312+, DF27+ .
Western Europe
F.Sanchez
Hello everyone,
I wanted to add to the previous discussions about "Melchor Gonzalez de Hermosillo" as I found two family trees in an 1820 dispensation in Jalpa (Film 168193): https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18415-586-84?cc=1874591&wc=1…
The family trees are:
Melchor Gonzalez de Hermosillo
A1. Geronimo; B1. Diego
A2. Salvador; B2. Melchor
A3. Ygnacio; B3. Jose Maria
A4. Cervulo; B4. Ygnacia
Juan Perez
A1. Margarita; B1.Ygnacio Perez
A2. Javier Galvan; B2. Victoria
A3. Casilda Galvan; B3. Maria de Jesus de la Pena
A4. Cervulo Gonzalez de H; B4. Ygnacia Gonzalez de H.
As I understand it:
Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo married to Maria Munoz Montonia, they had:
1.Teresa Gonzalez de Hermosillo, married to Silvestre Camacho Riquelme.
2.Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo II married Ana Gonzalez Florida II. They had a son,
Melchor Gonzalez de Hermosillo, married to Beatriz Gonzalez de Ruvalcaba.
My question is whether this wedding to Maria Rangel Tiscareno and burial pertain to the same Melchor:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N875-46T
Thanks in advance!
Arturo
My family is from the Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico region. There are several old Haciendas in our area.
Such as Hacienda San Mateo of Valparaiso, Zacatecas, Mexico and Hacienda San Antonio De Padua.
I would like to know if anyone has seen any old paintings of Haciendas of our area when they were in their glory days?
Because now they are in ruins, but I wonder they must have looked like when they were in they glory days. I wish some artist would draw paintings as to what they must have look like.
There is an entry in the GEDCOM database for Marcelo Gandara, b: abt 1790.
He is my 4th Great Grandfather. However I find his entry is incomplete and somewhat incorrect.
Here is the data I've compiled to date:
Marcelo Gutierres de la Gandara, b: abt 1779 Huejucar, Jal.
m: Marie Dominga Vela abt 1799.
son of: Francisco Gutierres de la Gandara y Rita Juliana de Leon.
issue:
Maria Antonia Salome Gandara b: 21 Oct 1800.
Jose Ramon Gandara b: 18 Jul 1802.
Maria Rafaela Gandara b: 24 Oct 1804.
Dona Maria Merse del Refugio Gandara b: Sep 1806 (my 3rd Great Grandmother).
m: Don Francisco Valenzuela abt 1828.
Bernardo Gandara b: Aug 1809.
Jose Antonio Luis Gandara b: Oct 1812.
Jose Vicente Esteban Gandara b: 21 Jul 1815.
Juana Maria de San Pablo Gandara b: 26 Jun 1818.
Maria Ruperta de Jesus Gandara b: 27 Mar 1821.
Maria Anastacia Gandara b: Jan 1824.
Francisco Gandara b: abt Dec 1824.
I believe this makes me related to Joseph de Leon, but I'm not sure how.
E-mails to him are non-deliverable.
Hopefully, this helps someone connecting the line.
Roy
Juan de Dios Alvarez es hijo de Juan Antonio Alvarez y Rita Serrano y Rafaela Campos de Antonio Campos y Maria Francisca Castañeda segun el acta de matrimonio del 15 mayo 1793
Juan De Dios Antonio Alvares Serrana Mexico Baptisms, 1560-1950
residence:
Zacatecas, Mexico
parents:
Antonio Cruz Alvares, Rita Serrana
record title:
Mexico Baptisms, 1560-1950
name:
Juan De Dios Antonio Alvares Serrana
gender:
Male
baptism/christening date:
14 Mar 1763
baptism/christening place:
TLALTENANGO DE SANCHEZ ROMAN,ZACATECAS,MEXICO
father's name:
Antonio Cruz Alvares
mother's name:
Rita Serrana
indexing project (batch) number:
C60089-7
system origin:
Mexico-ODM
source film number:
443805
momax)
Matiana Servantes Mexico Baptisms, 1560-1950
spouse:
Rafael Cornejo
record title:
Mexico Baptisms, 1560-1950
name:
Anna Maria Cornejo Servantes
gender:
Female
baptism/christening date:
22 Jan 1788
baptism/christening place:
Tlaltenango de Sánchez Román, Zacatecas, Mexico
birth date:
10 Jan 1788
birthplace:
, Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico
father's name:
Rafael Cornejo
mother's name:
Matiana Servantes
indexing project (batch) number:
C03443-0
system origin:
Mexico-EASy
source film number:
443808
Matiana Servantes Mexico Baptisms, 1560-1950
spouse:
Rafael Cornejo
record title:
Mexico Baptisms, 1560-1950
name:
Ma. Manuela Ermenegilda Cornejo Servantes
gender:
Female
baptism/christening date:
22 Jun 1789
baptism/christening place:
TLALTENANGO DE SANCHEZ ROMAN,ZACATECAS,MEXICO
father's name:
Rafael Cornejo
mother's name:
Matiana Servantes
indexing project (batch) number:
C60712-2
system origin:
Mexico-ODM
source film number:
443809
El nombre completo es Mathiana gavriela Carlos servantes y se caso con Rafael Cornejo el 31 dec 1783 M60742
Hi everyone, I am excited to be here on this journey to finding my family roots!
I am not sure how to begin and keep everything as organized as possible for my own peace of mind. I have spent a couple of days at the local lds center attempting to decipher the records. Any tips that you might share will be appreciated.
(I will post another intro with family from Aguascalientes)
Debra Perez
Jesus Perez abt. 1883 married around 1905-1905 Refugia Rodriguez abt. 1882
Jerez Zacatecas
Children:
Luis Perez abt.1905
Pillar Perez abt.1906
Jesus Perez abt. 1907
Jose Rodriguez Perez abt.1911
Antonia Perez abt. 1918 United States
Hey everyone,
Just want to share a find. I'm looking for Castaneda in Jerez, Zac. I came across a Tomas Castanon with parents Gregorio Castanon and Isabel Galvan in Ermita de los Correas, which are the names of my great-grandmother's parents. On a hunch, I looked up the baptismal record and found all the right names, including grandparents. The priest made a mistake on the paternal last name! I feel like Sherlock Holmes. :-)
Still haven't found my great-grandmother Vita Castaneda Galvan, but I've found some of her brothers. Time for bed...
Laura Gonzalez
Erlinda,
I have run into this assertion quite often and it has never been true in my area (except a couple of times)for most people.
I have no idea why this vexing myth continues.
< I was also told we had French blood so the elders were a bit put off when I found no French lineage but Mulato, Spanish? and Yndio.. they insisted there had never been any black slaves in Jerez.. people don't always like what our research shows them. I felt previleged to share the blood of the history of Mexico but not everyone will feel that way.>
------------------------I had the same reaction from some relatives living in Mexico City. They turned out to be Nahuatls only and I did not even continue the discussion with them further after finding the truth in my research.
A female relative became extremely agitated and simply stopped talking to me.
______________________________
For Armando: Re your answer
_________Armando, you are correct here. Please keep pointing that out. I am rather proud of what I am.
________________Correct again!
<...and many gueros have documented ancestry going back many centuries before the French intervention.>
________________True! True! The gueros and redheaded ones as well as the blonds in my family are as far as can be determined are from Spain. No French in sight!
___________________That's about as much probability as there is!
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Armando and other Nuestros Ranchos Members:
----------------------Esta es una "mazorca dificil de desgranar" I just can't figure out why people insist on this myth either!!!
------------------------I asked my Gramps many years ago about the French staying in Mexico (batalla de Puebla and all). He laughed; then he said the there quite a few that had stayed but that they were dead. He was aware of the French myth. Later I read some where that there were about five+ who deserted (I understand there were many more in reality) and stayed in Mexico. Does anyone have any factual information on that?
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< I'm curious to hear what people's thoughts are on this issue of so many people claiming they are French in Mexico.>
__________________________Maybe they are not happy being what they are? Maybe it bothers them to be prietos or in between? Maybe that they are light skinned and have prietos in the family? Social climbing? Who knows, but it seems to satisfy some deep need they seem to have.
I am happy to be the capirotada and revoltura that I am. That makes me Mexican and happy with the Great Spirit who made me so!!
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On the subject of Mariachis
<...[The] word mariachi was in use before the French invasion of Mexico in the 1860s. Shortly after its discovery, the text of this document was published in Mexico City and Los Angeles, and should have laid to rest the marriage theory once and for all. However, old myths die hard, and the public at large and most mariachi musicians themselves continue believing that this uniquely Mexican music owes its name to a foreign source.?
______________________________I have heard that it is because the mariachis themselves want to appeal to the tourist trade and many other unlikely reasons but none make sense.
Prof. Ma Guadalupe Castro Paramo, a seminal researcher of Mexican dance told me that it is more probable that the word mariachi comes from "Maria Arrache", the name given to the Virgin Mary by our ancestors in Mexico. Apparently our ancestors used to take music to the Virgin and it is possible the words became one ending in "mariachi". Prof. Castro Paramo told me that there are several researchers who have already researched the origins of the mariachis and there is a consensus on its origins: mariachis are 100 percent Mexican.
I never pursued deeper knowledge of the subject by I have heard basically the same from other people who are interested in the subject.
This reminds me of what's being said in some circles about the now Saint Juan Diego (that he did not exist and was poor). When I was in second grade in school in Mexicali, B.C. I went to school with a girl who mentioned that her family was descended from the Juan Diego family; being a child I marched myself to her mother and asked about it and she said very seriously that yes they were descended from that family. I wish I had been nosier and found out much more!
Elvira
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Greetings to all: In reviewing my records of ancestors from Zacatecas, Zac I have the following questions and am hoping someone can help me follow thru with these leads:
(1) Oral history has said the "Nestora Rodriguez (vd de Gonzales) was the daughter of an Englishman and was raised by a relative. Her father was the chief of the office responsible for the State of Zacatecas' money known as Casa de Moneda. " These were the exact words of my relative giving the oral history. For Nestora I have found potential relatives who may have raised her as Timotho Rodriguez and Candelaria Esquivel and Epigmenio Ensina and Sirita Rodriguez.
(2) Can someone please provide me with pictures of the following address: Callejon del Indio Triste No 59
(3) Potentially my ancestor lived at (reference found in Barrios de Zacatecas by Fidencio Berumen) "Esta casa del magnanimo espanol, es la que antano occupara la Jefatura de la Zona Militar, en la calle que lleva el nombre de Juan de Tolosa, casa que fuera propiedad ultimamente de la testamentaria del Dr Brena, y en la actualidad de la familia Kuri Brena". The reason why am I trying to locate leads to this entry is because of again oral history that told me: "She had servants and lived in a 3 story mansion in Mexico Citry. This mansion was locate behind the Cathedral on Calle del Reloj and in fron of the Treatro Alarcon" Two different cities but may be refering to same location as I am not familiar with the areas mentioned. Also where can I follow thru on "la testamentaria del Dr Brena".
A lot to ask for yet I am grateful for any assistance as this has been pretty much a brick wall for me. My grandmother never wanted to speak of her early life and I found out why.
Thanks - Anita
Hello Everyone, I've been doing my research on my grandfather's Valdez, (Valdes) line. He was born in La Estancia, Tepetongo, but his line comes from Jerez (Los Cuervos). I've been able to go back to my 4X gr grandfather and there the records have a very large gap. From 1835 to beyond 1849 no records exist on Family Search. I was wondering if anyone has been successful finding records for this period. Perhaps I've missed something.
Thanks for any help anyone can give. It's particularly frustrating, because I think I know who my 5X gr grandfather is but need some records to confirm.
Gracias!
Hey everybody,
I found a marriage entry for two ancestors, Bernardo Antonio Gonzales and Maria Rosalia de Exqueda, but am having trouble reading it since the ink bled thru from the other side. (bottom right side)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15272-18340-80?cc=1410092&wc…
Specifically, I can't read the groom's mother's name or who are the guys that are mentioned towards the end. Guests? (Hilario Ramos, Jose Gonzales and Miguel Perez.)
I can't read most of the entry, but if it's like others, it's mostly flowery language. I can't see ages listed, did I miss them?
Muchas gracias,
Laura Gonzalez
I have hit a wall, looking for my Grandfather and his family.
Jose Rodriquez Perez 1911 from Zacatecas? was Aguascalientes within Zacatecas borders at that time?
His Fathers name is Jesus Perez
His Mothers name is Refugia Rodriguez
I have asked my Father and he says that he does not know.
At this point, I am not sure if he really does not know or for some reason is
not open to remembering.
I have had success with my Mother's side of the family and
have been able to go back 7 & 8 generations.
Does anyone have any suggestions on this search? Thank you!