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Hi

For those with a research interest in the Romo de Vivar family and links to Velasco:

Found in Mex. Catholic Church Records, AGS, AGS, Sagrario, Baptisms 1781 - 86, image 116:

Baptism 25 April 1784 of MARIA YNES JOSEFA, española,born at Puesto de Chichimeco,...on the 20th day of the current (corriente) month, legitimate daughter of...

FATHER: LORENZO ROMO
MOTHER: JUANA ANTONIA DE LEON

Padrinos:
Don Jose Mateo Gutierrez de Velasco
Doña Emerenciana Romo de Vibar

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11810-121081-45?cc=1410092…

Regards

Denise

I´m trying to help you Lorenzo, I don´t know how many children do you have.. spouse:Lety Reynoso Justa Navejas child:Paula Candelaria Yga. Juares Navejasname:Paula Candelaria Yga. Juares Navejasgender:Femalebaptism/christening date:02 Feb 1772baptism/christening place:JEREZ,JEREZ DE GARCIA SALINAS,ZACATECAS,MEXICOfather's name:Felix Juaresmother's name:Justa Navejasindexing project (batch) number:K60080-4system origin:Mexico-ODMsource film number:439847 spouse:Justa Nabejaschild:Maria Franca. Juares Nabejasname:Maria Franca. Juares Nabejasgender:Femalebaptism/christening date:21 Nov 1774baptism/christening place:JEREZ,JEREZ DE GARCIA SALINAS,ZACATECAS,MEXICOfather's name:Feliz Juaresmother's name:Justa Nabejasindexing project (batch) number:K60080-4system origin:Mexico-ODMsource film number:439847 spouse:Justa Navejaschild:Lauriana De La Cruz Juares Navejasname:Lauriana De La Cruz Juares Navejasgender:Femalebaptism/christening date:12 Jul 1777baptism/christening place:JEREZ,JEREZ DE GARCIA SALINAS,ZACATECAS,MEXICOfather's name:Felix Juaresmother's name:Justa Navejasindexing project (batch) number:K60080-4system origin:Mexico-ODMsource film number:439847 spouse: Justa Nabejaschild:Pedro Joseph Juares Nabejasname:Pedro Joseph Juares Nabejasgender:Malebaptism/christening date:05 May 1763baptism/christening place:JEREZ, JEREZ DE GARCIA SALINAS, ZACATECAS, MEXICOfather's name:Felix Juaresmother's name:Justa Nabejasindexing project (batch) number:C60080-3system origin:Mexico-ODMsource film number:439846

Hi

I am sifting though images still looking for the elusive Romos (Raphael, Raphaela, and son Manuel). Sometimes I come across a Romo and then I cross check to see if the name has ever been mentioned her in NR. If not, then I post it on the chance that someday someone may need that info - or maybe there is someone out there already needing it.

Catarina Romo:

She shows up as padrina for Jose Vicente, español, legitimate son of Matias Francozo and Anna Gertrudis, natives of this town (Aguascalientes), padrinos were Fermin de Medina and Catalina Romo...

There was no note of Don or Doña.

Mexico, Catholic Church Records, Aguasc, Aguasc, Sagrario, Baptisms 1781 - 86, image 180.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11810-118367-21?cc=1410092…

I searched the name Francozo (Francoso) in IGI because I'd never seen it before (but then I am new at this), and found out that there were many in the Aguasc area and also Guanajuato, and one hit in Enc de Diaz. The earliest Francoso in Mexico in IGI was in 1690 in Tacubaya (Mexico City).At that time it was a beautiful area where viceroys and other families of wealth and prominence had their second homes. (From Wikipedia, article on the "start" quality scale, but it does include references to academic articles)

Regards
Denise

Hola a todos de Nuestros Ranchos. I was browsing at www.somosprimos.com went to the search block and put- padilla davila. I then scrolled to Descendents of Lord Pedro Gonzalez de Mendoza,compiled by John D Inclan. I appears according to what I read that I and many if not all of us are related to all of the people of Mexico ,Texas,and New Mexico. John Inclans research touches much of Jalisco ,Zacatecas ,Aguascalientes ,All the north eastern states of Mexico ,Texas,and New Mexico. I was was tripping. If any one has an e-mail to John D Inclan I would like to ask him if any of the Hurtado de Mendoza are tha same as an in example of Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza wife of Toribio Hernandez de Arellano. I was wondering also what you members opinion of John Inclan research .
Ronnie Reynoso
pariente acasi todos de Los Altos de Jalisco

Why am I having trouble logging in and they won't send me a new password.

Hi

Here is the name Romo in connection with surname Vera, in the baptism of a boy:

Jose Primo Feliciano
baptized 10 June 1785, legitimate son of
father: Jose Maria Vera
mother: Maria Josefa Romo de Vivar

padrino: Don Jose Luis Acosta

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11810-117466-9?cc=1410092&…

Mexico Church Records, Aguasc, Aguasc, Sagr, Baptisms 1781 - 86, image 164

Regards
Denise

Hello everyone , it seems I've hit a brick wall so to speak , in my Juarez and carrillo lineages . I've gotten as far as 9 generations in each. Family but now there's nothing left. For the Juarez sisde I found nothing from Felix olayo juarez and his wife justa rosa nabejas and fatter back in history. Same for Jose Maria Carrillo and gertrudis ortiz(Ortis). I found that they had 2 other children on new.familysearch.com but I can not find the records, hoping for names of grandparents. I'm stumped lol. Can anyone help me out or make any suggestions? Thank you all very much, Lorenzo Carrillo.

I updated my GEDCOM Family Tree here at Nuestros Ranchos

Joseph de Leon

Is anyone here doing research in Nayarit? If you are interested in collaborating, let me know. I have concentrated in Acaponeta and will expand to Ixtlan del Rio, Huaxicori - and north in El Rosario (Sinaloa). I'll be sticking with records between 1700-1900, give or take.

Through one of my families in Nayarit, I have been transported to the Basque Country, and I'm also looking for a partner who has had his/her feet wet in the Basque Country, to share findings or team up and split the work.

I am concentrating on the places listed below:
(Years 1500s - 1600s - and some early 1700s - nothing after 1750)
Etxaguen, Aramaio, Álava
Uribarri, Aramaio, Álava
Ibarra, Aramaio, Álava
Oñate, Guipuzcoa
Bergara, Guipúzcoa
Eskoriatza, Guipúzcoa
Zaldívar, Vizcaya
Abadiño, Vizcaya
Durango (Uribarri), Vizcaya

Please private-message me if you are interested,

I was wondering how to look up informacion matrimonial if i have the actual wedding date..what dates do i need to look at...my second request is if any maps of the old haciendas/ranchos or towns exists..i am researching jalisco..some of the places are el sentro,,la azerquila,,el carrizo,,palocuate and others...any and all help will be appreciated

I am new to Nuestros Ranchos. I have already hit a small jackpot in that I found a post with a link that led me to the baptismal records for my husband's maternal grandmother who was born in Colotlan, Jalisco in 1909. I am very excited to have a place that might be able to shed some light on some parts of my husband, Michael's family.

His maternal grandmother, Altagracia Miramontes, (Ramon Miramontes and Maria Jara) was born in Colotlan and lived in Totatiche until the Cristero War. Her father brought his three daughters to Southern California to escape the dangers.

Michael's maternal grandfather, Emilio Valdivia, was in the seminary in Totatiche at the time of the Cristero War. He had to flee to avoid being killed. I am trying to find out more about Emilio and his family. We don't know exactly where they are from, but it might be Totatiche or even Zacatecas.

If anyone has any information regarding this area and these families, I would appreciate any assistance you can give. Thank you for your help.

Kathy Hargrove Gutierrez

I would like to know how to access the Church records so that I can research my paternal grand parents.
Looking for records for the Eugenio Vicencio family.

Ernest R Vicencio

Hello fellow members of NuestrosRanchos,

Today I posted the official 100th Post at www.guadalajaradispensas.com. I hope the site has helped most of you break through a brick wall. I have learned so much in the last year of indexing these records. It continues to be a lesson in the history, culture and politics of the era.

I want to personally thank the following individuals for volunteering, at their own level. We are turning out to be the little engine that could! We can use more volunteers if anyone here is interested, please see the "NEWS-Coming Soon" page at the blog.

THANKS TO:
*Jaime R. Alvarado
*Daniel Méndez de Torres
*Enrique Salvador Agráz
*Veronica Rodríguez Damián
*Austin Pérez
*Linda Vásquez-Galindo
*Lawrence Bouett

I also ask that if the site has helped you - that you please leave a comment at our Facebook page. Sometimes a I need some encouragement to keep doing what I can to share the info I find with all of you. Here is the link to our page (and please *like* us):
http://www.facebook.com/pages/GuadalajaraDispensas/171714116271888

when i was searching through the http://www.guadalajaradispensas.com for various last names on my family tree, i came across this entry

288 #1028 valentin dolores acosta & laureana flores / colotlan & jerez

when i looked it up, i found out who ysbael de ulloa's father was

here's the link to the page on familysearch, so you can see it for yourself
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18425-17968-37?cc=1874591&wc…

his name is francisco, and she had a brother named juan ulloa.

Despues de casi 2 años encontre a mi sexto abuelo que habra nacido alrededor de 1720 casado con Juana Clara de Barragan, Thomas firma como Notario en las actas matrimoniales de Monte Escobedo alrededor de 1750-1760

Cuando se casa mi 5to abuelo Manuel Sanchez dice ser hijo de Thomas Sanchez Castellanos, pero despues ponen como Thomas de Villanueva Sanchez, sus actas de matrimonio como notario las firma como Thomas de Villanueva Sanchez Castellanos.

Alguien me pudiera ayudar como puedo encontrar mas informacion de los notarios? como los elegian? porque aparece con diferente apellido? cuales eran los requisitos para ser elegidos? de Villanueva era un recordatorio de su procedencia?

Los archivos de Monte Escobedo guardan mucha informacion pero desafortunadamente hay bastantes archivos dañados por la humedad siendo casi imposible su lectura.

i just found the marriage information for this couple but i'm having a hard time reading it. could anyone translate it for me

here it is
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18415-79308-35?cc=1874591&wc…

That's all fascinating, cousin John. I hope to get back to researching our ancestry after I settle into my new home this weekend.

I leave Los Angeles this Friday en route to my new home which I have named Las Brisas.
A magnificent 5-unit complex on 47th Avenue between Sutro Heights and Balboa in the Outer Richmond.

Its a block east of Sutro Heights Park, 2 blocks north of Golden Gate Park, an easy walk to Ocean, Baker and Seal Rocks Beaches. An exquisite site! My not so little chunk of paradise.

I have my three properties in Los Angeles for sale. Please email me in private if anyone is interested in my three bedroom, one bath home in Monterey Park, my 2 bedroom, 1 bath Victorian on Eastlake in Lincoln Heights, and my large three lots with duplex and outbuildings in City Terrace near Cal State LA.

I'll have to find a new Family History Center in San Francisco to do my research in.
I'll check out the Sutro Library as well.

I;ve been in Los Angeles for the last 12 years caring for my ailing mother who passed away on August 9. My sister and I dressed her the way Petronilla Moctezuma would have dressed for her final journey.

We released three dozen Monarch butterfiles at Resurrection Cemetery, the kind of butterfly Petronilla would have been well acquainted with.

---- John Gonzalez <1gnzlz@verizon.net> wrote:
> Emilie:

Here's some information that I am hoping will help you.

LDS Batch F868769, Film #1396289

Lope de Esparza 2nd Marriage: Batch 7412803 Film #0934233

Lope Ruiz de Esparza married Francisca Gabay and Lorenza, Married to Capitan
Luis Tiscareño Molina y Marquez, was their daughter.

Capitan Luis Tiscareño de Molina: Batch F868327 Film #1396258

Here's some information about the Hacienda:

"La Hacienda Nueva de Morcinique"
Aguascalientes, Ags, Mexico.

La Hacienda Nueva de Morcinique debe su nombre a su cercanía con el rio del
mismo nombre. Se ubica sobre el camino real a Calvillo, camino que tambien
comunicaba con las haciendas de Gracias a Dios, San Jose de Gudalupe y el
Sauz. Fue una de las haciendas mas chicas en el estado. En 1972 tenía una
superficie de 2,600 hectáreas; habia sido propiedad del presbítero Ignacio
Rincón Gallardo, quien en 1820 la cedió como parte de un patronato benéfico
que sería administrado por el Ayntamiento de Aguascalientes. Estaba dotada
de una buenapresa, canales y acequias, además de una gran casa principal.
Apartir de 1855, el Ayuntamiento decidió venderla en fracciones. Su presa
fue traspasada en 1863 a los señores Cornú y Stiker, para formar parte de su
hacienda industrial de San Ignacio.

.com

I have found some charts of the descendants of Moctezuma in the Archive of the Indies in Portal Archivos de Espanoles (PARES) that may be of interest to Nuestros Ranchos members:

AGI: MP-ESCUDOS 212

This is a one page chart created after 1594 (exact date unknown). The page is partially damaged on the sides (thus some information is missing), and is headed with Moctezuma, then daughter Dona Ysabel with her three legitimate marriages (Alonso de Grado, Pedro Gallegos Andrade, and Juan Cano).

Her illegitmate daughter by Cortes is not shown.

AGI: MP-ESCUDOS 211 and AGI: PATRONATO 245 R.5

These two documents show the same chart (211 is more legible than 245), but 245 has a narrative of several pages (which is not easy to read; however, the chart is easy to read). This document was made about 1574. This has somewhat less information than the previous chart, but does have additionally children of three of Moctezuma's wives, including Dona Leonore, daughter of wife Acatlan, and her daughter, Dona Lenore alias Dona Marina, who married Cristobal de Valderrama (who is also named in the chart).

These are the earliest documents I've seen that actually name some of Moctezuma's descendants.

There are other documents that provide more detail on the descendants of Pedro Moctezuma, whose descendants moved into the Spanish nobility.

The images are high quality and can be expanded without much lost of detail.

PARES is at http://pares.mcu.es/

To search for these documents go the Busqueda Avanzada. Under Filtro por Archivo choose Archivo General de Indias; then use Filtro por Signatura and Seleccionar to select the specific document (Signatura; for example MP-ESCUDOS and 211). Clicking on a document page gives the enlarged image; right click on the enlarged image with the mouse allows you to save the image on your computer.

when i was looking up marriage records jose manueel villegas's sister gertrudis i found this page

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18453-62919-41?cc=1874591&wc…

the document says that she is related to her spouse, but it doesn't say how.

trying to figure this out will help me at least find the name of her grandparents on at least one side of her family.

Hola,

Can someone help me decipher the names with (??) on this baptismal
certificate?
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15087-5072-31?cc=1410092&wc=…
(left side, last entry)

Here's what I've figured out so far:
Name: Jose Tiburcio Castañeda
Gender: M
Baptism date: 26 Apr 1832
Church: San Cayetano
Birth date: 14 Apr 1832
Birth place: "Cerritos" Atolinga, Zac
Father's name: Julio Castañeda
Mother's name: Ma. del Refugio Gonzales
Paternal grandparents: Antonio Castañeda & Ma. Eugenia (??) de Haro (??)
Maternal grandparents: Salvador Gonzales & Gertrudis Mayorea Mayorga(??)

Also, what does "teniente" de cura mean?

I see (y me da risa), that baptismal certificates say "hijo legítimo" or
"h.l." Does that mean non-legitimate children (called "natural" right?)
weren't baptized? I cannot find my great-grandmother, but I found (some)
siblings. Maybe she wasn't baptized?

Thanks,
Laura

Denise Fastrup

Hello

(I originally posted the message below as a reply in my Romo forum topic, but it didn't show up in a google search, so I am resending it here as a separate topic to hopefully make the information easier for someone else to find - who knows, someone may look for Rapahel Silvestre at some point in the future...)

I am still searching for the marriage record for Don Joseph Raphael Romo and Maria Rafaela Aguilar. I have earlier posted some Romo names I have come across. Below is one more Romo which I found in the indexed FamilySearch source. The names of the parents are the same as for Joseph Raphael Prudencio Romo Alba b. 1765. So in other words there were two Raphael Romos born in the same decade, same place, same parents, and the question is which one married Maria Rafaela...then next question is if the Maria Rafaela mother of Manuel Romo who later moved San Buenaventura, is indeed the Maria Casilda Rafaela Aguilar Chaves who was born in Aguascalientes in 1763.

So if anyone out there has the record of birth/christening for Manuel Romo, from Aguascalientes, married to Maria Ygnacia Rodriguez in San Buenaventura, or the marriage record for Rapahel Romo and Maria Raphaela Aguilar of Aguascalientes, please post.

I have been through the Ag. Ag. Sagr. records for 1782 - 1787, and 1787 - 91, minus the ones that didnt show properly (which I am now rechecking) and have had no luck.

I have not been able to explore the church records for the image of Silvestres record of birth, due to technical issues with downloading the images, otherwise I'd of course make it available. But here is the basic info for anyone researching the Romos...

Name:

Jph. Raphael Silvestre Romo Alva

Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 20 Dec 1767
Baptism/Christening Place: EL SAGRARIO,AGUASCALIENTES,AGUASCALIENTES,MEXICO
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Antonio Romo
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Maria Ana De Alva
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Paternal Grandfather's Name:
Paternal Grandmother's Name:
Maternal Grandfather's Name:
Maternal Grandmother's name:

Indexing Project (Batch) Number:

C60484-4
System Origin:

Mexico-ODM
Source Film Number:

299533

Source Citation

"Mexico, Baptisms, 1560-1950," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NTMP-BZK : accessed 26 May 2012), Jph. Raphael Silvestre Romo Alva, 1767.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NTMP-BZK

Regards,
Denise Fastrup

when i was reading the burial record for my ancestor, isabel de ulloa, it said that she was from arroyo de Frailes. i tried googling it and couldn't find anything.

here's the link to her burial record

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18453-8613-70?cc=1874591&wc=…

Can anyone tell me what happened to the project that was called "ADN de Los Altos?" I am so disappointed this is no longer online.

Please advise,
-Claudia

Posted at: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/20642

Hola Members y Primos, I believe I have figured out who or which Lorenzo Alvarez I was Investigating. In the second marriage of Lorenzo Alvarez to Gertrudis Efigenia Ramirez de Ramirez ,the Padrinos were Francisco Enriquez and Ana Alvarez(daughter of Francisco Alvarez Tostado and Ana Ramirez de Mendoza. This couple was also padrinos to Lorenzo Alvarez's daughter(Juana Josepha Alvarez) of his first marriage to Josepha Alvarez. The conclusion I have made that Lorenzo Alvarez and Ana Alvarez are siblings.
I still can't figure out who Josepha Alvarez's parents were.
Ronnie Reynoso