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Esther ... ,

> Rafael Lopez Ornelas ... oldest male in a family of 13. His
> youngest brother was also named Rafael Lopez Ornelas

I have a surprising number of such instances in my database. And I
would say that in browsing the christening record images I have seen
MANY like this. It causes a lot of problems before you discover that
two siblings had the same name.

There are several scenarios I have seen.

A child is given the same name as an older sibling for no apparent
reason.
A child born on the birthday of an older sibling was often given the
same name.
A child born in the same month as an older sibling. Saints days
weren't followed precisely - it seems that families often chose between
favorite saints whose days were close to the birthdate of the child.

Twins were often given the same name.

I have seen records that don't even name each child distinctly - for
example, the record just says "Bacilios", meaning two of them, and
"hijos legitimos" (plural) and in the margin the word gemelos (twins).
To my way of thinking I would somehow feel cheated if the recorder
didn't make a separate record for my birth .

One particularly confusing instance was of a child born exactly 10
years to the day after his older brother, and was given the same name.
Until I discovered the christening records for both of them I thought
it was a typo or copying error.

In still another family I discovered 3 siblings named Francisca. Two
of them were twins, and the other was born exactly 6 years earlier to
the day.

Contrary to what I've often heard, there was no requirement that the
older sibling died young, although that sometimes happened. In the
case of Francisca, the older one and one of the twins both married and
raised families. The other twin died at age 13.

The confusion that often results from same-name siblings can be hard
to reconcile. You sort of get your first clue when the marriages and
parents of the children don't reconcile. You think there are two
spouses, but they overlap, then you dig deeper and discover the
same-named siblings.
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Best regards,
Stuart mailto:stuartarms@gmail.com

Petra Mariana Ursula Cuellar y Moreno fue bautizada el 21 de octubre 1784 en el Sagrario de Aguscalientes, sus padres fueron Juan Chrisostomo Cuellar Martin del Campo y Maria Ygnacia Felipa Moreno Flores casados el 31 de julio de 1780 en el Sagrario, Aguascalientes.

Petra se casa con Marcelino de Rugama y Vega, comerciante espanol de Cicero, que llega a Mexico en 1799, a la ciudad de Fresnillo. Anos mas tarde se trasladan a Veracruz, Marcelino de Rugama compra la hacienda de San Antonio Tenextepec, cerca de la ciudad de Perote, en donde viven y mueren.
Busco sobre todo el acta de matrimonio de Marcelino y Petra circa de 1809 y las actas de sus primeros hijos que nacieron en Zacatecas. sino cualquier informacion sobre Petra es bienvenida, solo tengo a dos hermanas de ella regstradas, una es Maria Antonia Dolores Cuellar y Moreno y la otra se llama Ana Petra Cuellar y Moreno
gracias mil

Julietamartha

So yesterday I went out and bought a bunch of used tapes and a tape recorder for my research. I played the first tape and it really broke my heart, an elderly woman( who was in her 80s I'm guessing) was talking about her life in the early 20s and through the depression . She was talking about her life because she " feared she didn't have much more time". It's sad to hear a lost piece if someone's family history just go like that. What should I do? I don't want to record over it .

Latest post at www.guadalajaradispensas.com

Now posted: 1787-1795 FHL Source Film 168038
Nuevo archivo: 1787-1795 rollo OAH 2387

Happy hunting!

Author Victor Villaseñor will be the guest speaker Sunday, Sept. 18, when the Fullerton Public Library launches its Distinguished Speaker series.

Villaseñor, whose autobiographical work “Rain of Gold” was listed on the “New York Times” bestseller list, was born to Mexican immigrants in Carlsbad and raised on a ranch four miles north in Oceanside.

Villaseñor first published novel was “Macho!” His autobiographical work “Rain of Gold” became a national bestseller. It tells the story of Villaseñor’s family from the Mexican Revolution through its experiences in Southern California, with much of the story taking place in Orange County.

He also wrote the screenplay for “The Ballad of Gregorio Cortez” and is working with HBO on a mini-series based on several of his books, including “Rain of Gold” and “Burro Genius.”

The free program will begin at 2 p.m. at the Main Library, 353 W. Commonwealth Ave., adjacent to Fullerton City Hall.

For information, call the Fullerton Main Library at 714-738-6327.

A couple of days ago when I started to have troubles with the familysearch I had a friend who works with computers for a living check out the situation.  He told me that the problem appeared to lie with lack of testing of the website before launching and not my XP.  I couldn't wait and downloaded Firefox and all worked great. 
Today, I forgot to go through Firefox and accessed the site the old way through XP and I am no longer experiencing the problems as before. 
I hope everyone else is no longer experiencing the technical difficulties as before.   

Below is the response I got from Feedback at Family Search re my problems with their new Viewer. I can't understand why, if their old Viewer was working fine, why they had to change it and make us go through more rigamaroll to print out a specific record.

Emilie

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Dear Emilie Garcia,

Thank you for contacting FamilySearch regarding changes.

There have been changes to FamilySearch. To zoom in and out, you will want to use your browser zoom feature. Try control + and control -.

You are correct, you can no longer print a selected portion of the screen in historical records. However, you can save the image as a jpeg image and use the tools on your computer to rotate, resize, cut and print the portions you would like to print.

We are here to help you in any way that we can and want your experience to be a positive one. Best wishes and success in your continuing family history endeavors.

Sincerely,
FamilySearch
support@familysearch.org

Dear Members of Nuestros Ranchos,

See the link for the announcement for the annual San Jose Mariachi Festival.   http://vivafest.org/ 

Every year is more exciting than the next. This year there will be something new, a Mariachi College bowl.  Mariachi Bands from different colleges and universities will have a playoff.

A Nuestros Ranchos member who's from Jalisco will be here to see her grandson play as part of the  Mariachi from Harvard University, how exciting is that?

There will be a movie and film series at the Tech Museum and of course the main concert with Los Lobos, Vicki Carr and others.

If anyone is interested in meeting up, let me know off-line and I'll put something together at one of the hotels or restaurants.

Estimados miembros de Nuestros Ranchos. Les comunico a traves del enlace aqui adjunto.  http://vivafest.org/  que se llevara acabo el Festival Annual del Mariachi en San Jose Calif.

Cada ano trae mas diversidad en su programcion este evento que dura dos semanas. Algo nuevo este ano sera el Mariachi College Bowl donde participan Grupos de Mariachis de varias universidades.

Entre los participantes estara el nieto de uno de los miembros de Nuestros Ranchos, el toca con el Mariachi de la Universidad de Harvard. Ella viene desde Jalisco para escuchar a su nieto en este evento.

Tambien habra un concierto con Los Lobos y Vicki Carr junto con otros grupos.

Si alguien piensa venir, y desean hacer contacto con otros miembros de Nuestros Ranchos, denmelo a saver a mi correo, para organizarlo y ponernos de acuerdo. Puedo hacer arreglos para el encuentro en un Restaurante o en un hotel.

Alicia,
San Jose, Calif

Sigo con la investigación de los Moreno.

Me encuentro en familysearch un matrimonio para Joseph de Anda y Nicolasa Maria Moreno el 28 de abril de 1675 en Lagos de Moreno. Al buscar en el film la imagen que se menciona que es el 221404 para Lagos de Moreno, no doy con dicho matrimonio. Alguien mas ha encontrado a este matrimonio y sabe de donde vienen los dichos Joseph de Anda y Nicolasa María Moreno?

Saludos
José Humberto Suárez
---------------------------------------------------------------
Following my Moreno research.

I found at familysearch the marriage for Joseph de Anda with Nicolasa Maria Moreno on april 28 1675 at Lagos de Moreno. The film is 221404 but when looking for the image with that info I cannot find it. Has someone else found this marriage and knows the parents of Joseph de Anda and Nicolasa Maria Moreno?

Regards
José Humberto Suárez

Now I'm experiencing technical difficulties.
Under Mexican church records I've gone to two different states and at each when I'm at the parroquia of choice, I'm unable to slide the bottom bar to the right to choose which records I'd like to open.  The bar slides automatically back to the left before you can click on a category/date.  Is anyone experiencing the same problem?  I don't see the feedback tab at the right of the page to report a problem.  Thanks,  Alice Blake

Hello everyone,
Another file posted tonight. I will post one more tomorrow and these two should keep you all busy over the weekend! :)

Now posted: 1798-1799 FHL Source Film N/A
Nuevo archivo: 1798-1799

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Dear NR primos,
Would it be common to have different children named "Jose Maria" + a different middle name?

I have been looking for "Jose Maria Gonzalez Ledesma" and I believe I have found him. His baptism is given in acta #3166 in the 1790 Baptisms in Calvillo:
https://www.familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11107-161431-98?cc=141…

But the first name of this child is "Jose Maria Nicolas." The date fits and I haven't seen another Nicolas Gonzalez in the family tree and that is why I think this is THE ancestor I've been searching for. I have also considered the possibility that this child died and the parents had another on and simply named him "Jose Maria," and I'll investigate this at a later point in time.

Thanks for your input.

Arturo G

Hola a Todos

Ojalá que alguno de Uds. pueda ayudarme a conseguir el tomo IV de " Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia " en él se encuentra la genealogía de los Navarro de Tepatitlán. Si alguien lo tiene y no lo quiere vender, tal vez me pueda hacer el gran favor de escanear las páginas tocantes a esa familia, que tengo entendido fué una de las primeras 117 que llegaron a Los Altos de Jalisco a mediados del siglo XVI.

Ya tengo dos años tratando de conseguir ése tomo y no lo encuentro, parece que está agotado.

Mi abuelo emigró a Guadalajara siendo muy joven con su mamá y hermanos después de la muerte de su papá (1893)
por lo que mi interés es por mis antepasados del siglo XIX y anteriores.

Agradezco de antemano su ayuda.

Bertha M. Navarro de Boehm
http://www.boehm-chronik.com/mexico/antepasados.htm

After connecting all the dots... it seems my Bugarins mIght be Descendants of Cosme Felix Bugarin....
I have
Margarito Rivera Bugarin My GG Grandpa

My GGG Grandma Juliana Bugarin(Margaritos Mom)

Juliana's Dad. My GGGG Grandpa Josef Eligio Bugarin who was Married to Narcisa Covarrubias...

Eligios Dad MY GGGGG Granpa Jose Vicente De Los Santos Bugarin Married to
Maria Apolinar Serrano

Jose Vicente De Los Santos Bugarin's Dad... Jose Francisco Bugarin Gonzales
I also found him as ( Francisco Dionisio Cuates Bugarin Gonzales) it would make him my GGGGGG Grandpa, Married to Maria Guadalupe Paula Miramontes Gonzales..

Jose Francisco's Dad is Pedro Joseph Bugarin married to Maria Josefa gonzales
Pedro would be my GGGGGGG Grandpa

Pedro Joseph dad was Alvaro Cosme De Bugarin married with maria Bracamontes
he would be my GGGGGGGG Grandpa

Alvaro Cosme De Bugarin's Father was Cosme Felix De La Villa Bugarin married to Maria De Los Reyes, He would be my GGGGGGGGG Grandpa ...
If you have any corrections or Questions.. ask me Please...

A couple of days ago, I was unable to print just the selected item on the page and sent Family Search an emai. Following is the reply I received today:

Dear Judith Marentes,

Thank you for contacting Family Search regarding the new format for printing documents in historical records available at familysearch.org. We appreciate your frustration and would like to inform you that we expect this issue to be resolved in the next update to FamilySearch.org which should be in about a month’s time.

In the meantime, we have attached a link to a document titled “How do I resize or enhance an image from Historical Records” that will provide you with an alternate way of selecting only the information you want to save. To view the document in full, please click anywhere on the blue underlined title.

We appreciate your patience as our engineers continue to work on the enhancements to the FamilySearch website.

Sincerely,
FamilySearch
support@familysearch.org

Document Links:
How do I resize or enhance an image from Historical Records

FOLLOWING IS THEIR TEMPORARY FIX:

How do I resize or enhance an image from Historical Records
Symptoms (Problems)

Can I enhance or resize the image before I save it?

Is there a way to edit, crop, or resize an image?

Can I adjust the image to make it smaller or larger before I print it?

Answer (Resolution)

There is currently no mechanism within the Image Viewer to accomplish these advanced functions. Edits must be done in your personal image editing program after the image has been saved and open on your own computer.

If the image is too large or too small or if it needs additional enhancements before printing or storing:

When viewing the image in Historical Records, click the Save icon, and save it to your computer.

Then open the file in an image editing program that allows you to edit, resize, and enhance the image.

The edited graphic can then be saved or printed.

I HAD ALREADY FIGURED THIS OUT - HOWEVER - YOU HAVE TO COPY THE WHOLE TWO PAGES OF DOCUMENTS. SINCE I HAVE ALWAYS ZOOMED-IN TO JUST THE SECTION I WANT BEFORE COPYING, NOW THE QUALITY AFTER YOU SAVE, THEN COPY, AND THEN ENLARGE ONLY THAT SECTION YOU WANT, THE QUALITY IS NOT AS GOOD, BUT IT'S OKAY IF ONLY FOR A MONTH!
J Marentes

I was trying to use Family Search on a computer with Windows XP and IE 7. For all practical purposes it does not work.

I went to google, searched for Firefox, and downloaded the current version. This relatively quick, but depends on your internet connection.

I did the standard installation (essentially just follow the instructions: press the "run" button). Started Firefox, searched for Family Search, and everything worked without any problems.

When you install Firefox, you have the option of importing your IE favorites (or bookmarks), although I didn't do this.

I was up and running in less than 5 minutes. The website worked without any problems.

Bottom line: Family Search is not compatible with the older software.

George Fulton
Pleasanton

Dear NR primos,
Would it be common to have different children named "Jose Maria" + a different middle name?

I have been looking for "Jose Maria Gonzalez Ledesma" and I believe I have found him. His baptism is given in acta #3167 in the 1790 Baptisms in Calvillo:
https://www.familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11107-161431-98?cc=141…

But the first name of this child is "Jose Maria Nicolas." The date fits and I haven't seen another Nicolas Gonzalez in the family tree and that is why I think this is THE ancestor I've been searching for. I have also considered the possibility that this child died and the parents had another on and simply named him "Jose Maria," and I'll investigate this at a later point in time.

Thanks for your input.

Arturo G

Hola foro,

Solicito la ayuda de algun miembro del grupo para evaluar informacion que he encontrado sobre mis posibles ancestros (Linea directa Paternal). Tengo escasos 2 meses que comence a involucrarme en la busquedad de mis ancestros, la poca experiencia que tengo en este tema de la Genealogia me hace temer en posibles errores que he cometido a travez de mi busquedad. Tengo mas de 30 "snapshots" y los enlaces(links) a actas de bautismo y matrimonio (religioso y civil)de quienes pudieran ser mis ancestros. Ya tengo confirmado a mi Abuelo Paterno y su Papa'(mi bisabuelo), pero de ahi hacia atras... tengo dudas sobre algunas personas. Es por eso que solicito la ayuda de algun miembro con experiencia para evaluar la informacion que tengo y dejarme saber si estoy en el "camino correcto".

Si algun miembro tiene el tiempo y desea ayurdarme, pude contactarme directo a mi correo o dejarme saber el suyo, o la forma de contactarlo.

De antemano... Muchas Gracias,
Roberto Hdez

Hello everyone,

I have posted on this before but I seem to have hit a
wall. I'm looking for the parents of one of my ancestors,
Marcos Carrillo. His wife was Petra Bermudez and I have found
documents on about seven of their children. None give
information on grandparents. I believe he married between
1745-1750 in Jerez, Zac. Most marriage records for those
years in Jerez are missing on the familysearch website, so I
have not had any luck finding it, if it even exists.
When reading some records on their chldren I found that
they lived in a place called Ximulco which then belonged
to the Villa de Jerez. I believe it now belongs to
Huejuquilla el Alto, Jalisco. I have also searched the records
from the church there (San Diego) with no luck. If
anyone has any suggestions or could help I would greatly
apreciate it.

Gustavo Carrillo

What is going on now at the "new" Family Search site?

My Windows XP with IE8 was working fine, now it seems they have changed things. I no longer get the little hand that grabs and moves the page around smoothly, nor the little box on the bottom right corner where you could zoom. Instead there seem to be two double pointed crossed arrows that do nothing but make the page jump around erratically, and I can't go from one page to another without a lot of delay. Arrrgh!

Emilie
Port Orchard. WA

Hello folks. We now have 20 TWENTY films extracted and online to view!
Here's the latest:

Now posted: 1786 FHL Source Film 168070
Nuevo archivo: 1786 OAH 2425-2426

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Below is the response I got from Family Search re my inability to browse the images with their new system.

I did everything they said, and I still cannot make the images stand still---they jump all around and when I enter a new page number it takes so long to change---also using the left/right arrows takes a long time to change the page.

They misunderstood me when I said that instead of the little hand that used to grab the image so we could move around in it smoothly has disappeared and in its place is a diamond shaped cursor composed of two double-pointed arrows, one horizontal and one vertical and in between the points of the arrows are four little boxes. They thought I was referring to the double-pointed arrow in the top menu that says Full Screen. This new cursor doesn't pull the image around like I used to be able to with the little hand.

It is also hard to click on the section of the church records I want. I kept trying to click on Entierros 1867-1896 but the bar on the bottom of the list kept going back to the beginning Bautismos. Even the list of records doesn't stand still.

I am in tears here,

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
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September 14, 2011

Dear Emilie Garcia,

Thank you for contacting Family Search in regard to image access on our site.

We have replicated your search as well as we can without specifics and have determined that your problem is most likely related to the upgrade of our Image Viewer which was performed yesterday. During the upgrade there appeared to be some issues with viewing images. Today I was able to view images and move from image to image without a problem. There does seem to still be an issue with the full screen function that you mention as the double pointed arrows. This should be taken care of soon as the engineers continue to tweek the function. The box at the bottom of the page has also disappeared and a zoom function is available on the top left. When the image was fully zoomed, we were still able to move the image around although the little hand is not visible.

Please check back at the site today to see if the problems you experienced are now resolved.

We have also found that at times there are issues with IE7 and IE8 that affects viewing of the images. If you are still experiencing problems, you might want to try the following in IE8:

Copy this for the future it is different than the KD
1. In the IE7 or IE8 browser, select from the main menu (not the toolbar on the same line as the tabs), Tools -> Internet Options.
2. Under “Browsing History”, click on the “Delete” button.
3. Select only “Temporary Internet Files”, “Cookies”, “History” and “Form Data”. Unselect ALL other check boxes. Then click on the “Delete” button.
4. Click the “OK” button on the open dialog after the delete has finished.
5. Close the browser.
6. Reopen the browser and go to https://www.familysearch.org.
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8. Close browser and refresh a second time.

Again, we thank you for contacting Family Search. If you continue to experience problems, please feel free to contact us. We appreciate your patronage of our site and wish you the best in your research.

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After searching for my maternal grandmother (Crecencia Romo Rodriguez) for several years I finally found her. I had been working with wrong birth year and birth location. She died when my mother was a very small child. Now I would like to continue researching my Romo family surname.

Crecencia Romo was born 1885 in Aguascalientes, daughter of Luz Romo Olmos (b. abt 1850 in Aguascalientes) and Maria Del Refugio Rodríguez – siblings Higinio Romo Rodríguez and Maria Romo Rodríguez.
Parents of Luz Romo –
Ynocencio Romo de Alba and Gumencinda Olmos married July 10, 1839, Aguas.
Children: Maria Vicenta Del Refugio b. 1840, Antonia b. 1841, Maria Francisca b. 1842; José De La Cuz b. 1856;’ Macial b. 1860, Ramón Refugio b. 1863

Ramón Romo Camarena and Juana de Alba Married March 4, 1810, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco
Childlren: José Anacleto de la Trinidad b. 1810; José Andrés b. 1812, (both in Lagos)
Maria Bacilia b. 1814; José Hipólito b. 1816; Maria Leonida b. 1818 and Ynocencio b. 1819 all in Aguascalientes

Joaquín Romo de Vivar and Josefa Camarena from Lagos Moreno, Jalisco
Children: Ma. Eustacia b. 1775; Ma. Paula b. 1776; Marta Rosalia b. 1779; Petra b. 1784; Anna Maria de Santiago b. 1786; Ma. Guadalupe Alexandra b. 1788; Esmerexilda b. 1793; José Ramón abt. 1791; José Ignacio de Jesús b. 1795 Marzela b. ¿married 1800 to Jose Lázaro Guerra; and Ma. Dolores married Feb. 1795 to Thomas de Alva. – all in Lagos de Moreno

I would appreciate any help on this Romo line.
Aurora De Anda Romo

Dear fellow members. I posted a new file today: some good ones here!

Now posted: 1797-1836 FHL Source Film 168100
Nuevo archivo: 1797-1836 OAH 2337

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Armando,

I just received the message below from Feedback at Family Search. they told me the same thing you told me, that the matrimonios for 1618 are to be found in the Bautismos de Castas 1600-1672.

So, I learned a lot from you, that I need to check the dates in the Catalog. I wish though that Family Search had given me a link directly to the image I wanted, but they would not have the time to do that. It will just require me searching each and every image. Ay, ay, ay.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

Dear Emilie Garcia,

Our sincere apologies for misunderstanding your question. As strange as it seems the record you are seeking is found by following this path:

www.familysearch.org
Mexico
Mexico, Guanajuato, Catholic Church Records, 1576-1984
San Felipe
San Felipe Apóstol
Bautismos de castas 1600-1672

The Bautismos de castas, 1600-1672 includes Matrimonios y Defunciones.

This is the link to the volume you need:
https://www.familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-20567-22378-83?cc=186…

If you should require any further assistance, we will be happy to help you.

Sincerely,
FamilySearch
support@familysearch.org