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I have seen two different sets of parents for Francisco Macias Valadez who married Jacinta de Ortega, about 1624 (probably in Aguascalientes).

One source says Nicolas Macias Valadez and Leonor de Retamosa.

Another source says Alonso Macias Valadez and Maria Vazquez de Retamosa.

I have not found any documents that would indicate which of these is correct; or without definitive evidence, which is likely to be correct.

Can anyone help?

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

I understand that the role of the "padron de la Feligresia" was as a census
taker for the parish, but I'm wondering if there is a better translation for
this title and if anyone can shed more light on the position. I note it
many times as a source in *Genealogia de Nochistlan Antiguo...* Thanks for
any enlightenment provided.

Raquel Ruiz
Massachusetts

Estimados Srs:

Les pido ayuda a cuanto dos de mis lineas que no he tenido exito.
Quizas hay alguien que tiene otro dato que podia ayudar mi busqueda.

La tercer bisabuela de mi abuelo Martin Mendez (Mendez de Torres)
era Maria de Jesus Gutierrez de Mendoza bautizada el 24 de junio
de 1829 en San Juan de los Lagos, don Martin era originario de
Tamazula de Gordiano, Jalisco, bella ciudad de mi padre. Esta
dama era hija de Pedro GUtierrez de Mendoza y Maria Isidora de Santa
Cruz y Orozco casados 17 de enero de 1828 en dicho lugar de San Juan.
Pedro era hijo de Jose Felipe de Santiago Gutierrez de Mendoza bautizado
11 de mayo de 1775 en la parroquia de San Miguel el Alto y casado con
Tomasa de Villalobos el 31 de mayo de 1800 en Jalostotitlan.

Felipe Gutierrez de Mendoza era hijo de Juan de la Trinidad Gutierrez
de Mendoza caso dos veces primer nupcias con Barbara Gonzalez de Araujo
el 10 de septiembre de 1766 en Jalostitlan. Era hija de Juan Manuel
Gonzalez de Araujo y Gertrudis Martin Padilla (Martin del Campo y Padilla Davila)
Barbara era bautizada 27 de noviembre de 1740 en San Juan. No tengo mas
de esta linea de los Gonzalez de Araujo y Martin Padilla. Ojala hay alguien
que tiene mas informacion.

Regresamos a Juan de la Trinidad Gutierrez de Mendoza (mas bien conocido
como Trinidad Gutierrez de Mendoza sic segundas nupcias con Cayetana Sanchez
el 14 de febrero de 1770 en JAlostotitlan hija de Joseph Antonio Sanchez y
Maria de Alexandre o Avalos, no tengo mas de esta linea quizas alguien?

Trinidad era hijo de Joseph Manuel Gutierrez de Mendoza casado con mi antepasada
Gertrudis ISidora Munoz de Xerez el 5 de febrero de 1730 en Santa Maria de los Lagos
este era hijo de Salvador Gutierrez de MEndoza y Damiana Vasquez de LAra,
cuya ascendencia ya esta probada y conocida entre genealogistas. Gertrudis era hija
de Pedro Munoz de Xerez y Silveria Nicolasa Antonia de Ramos, bautizaron otros dos hijos Nicolas Munoz de Xerez 29 de agosto de 1711 en Santa Maria de los Lagos y Joseph Manuel Munoz de Xerez el 20 de marzo de 1710 en Jalostotitlan.

Ojala alguien tiene un dato que podia darme luz a cuanto estas lineas.

Gracias antemano y reciben un saludo,

Daniel Mendez Camino

My Grandfather Enrique Chavez, died 25 Feb 1960. I know this because I have a photograph of his tombstone. On this same tombstone, it shows that he was 92 years old when he died. Enrique was married twice, first to Julia Zarate and then to Genoveve Romero. I have the 1904 marriage documentation from the church. Here is where things get strange. In this document, he is listed as a widower and his first wife is listed, Julia Zarate. His age is given as 45! His new wife Genoveva Romero, was 17 years old. I also have a copy of the Mexican 1930 Census, where his little family is documented correctly. His age however, in this document is listed as 60! The bottom line, I have three dates thusly;

25 Feb 1960 - 92 years old at death = 1868
1 Feb 1904 - 45 years old at wedding = 1859
15 May 1930 - 60 years old at Census = 1870

Any ideas?

Estaba revisando el registro matrimonial (Aguascalientes 20 junio 1634) de Andres Ayala y Beatriz 'Cortez' Rangel (Peguero), y me di cuenta que la 'C' en lo que parece leerse como 'Cortez' es una 'H', y en lugar de letra 'e' existe una 'i'. Esto corresponde bien a la caligrafia del cura Guillermo Carvajal, y a la forma como escribia Ortiz (Hortiz). La inspeccion de las actas de cuatro de sus seis hijos (dos actas no he podido localizar), no deja lugar a duda: 'Beatriz' es referida como 'Beatriz Ortiz' o 'Beatriz Rangel' (una ocasion) pero nunca como 'Cortez'. Una revision de mis registros sugiere como sus padres a Diego Peguero Rangel y a Juana Ortiz.

While checking for the marriage (Aguascalientes 20 june 1634) of Andres Ayala and Beatriz Cortez Rangel (Peguero), it became clear that what appears to be the letter 'C' in 'Cortez' is actually an 'H', and that there is no 'e' instead there is an 'i'. All this fits very well with the calligraphy of the priest Guillermo Carvajal, and also the way he spelled the surname Ortiz (Hortiz). Inspection of the christening records of four their children (two I've not been able to find), confirms my finding. Beatriz is either referred to as 'Beatriz Ortiz' or as Beatriz Rangel (one instance), but never as 'Beatriz Cortez'. A revision of my records suggests that her parents could have been Diego Peguero Rangel and Juana Ortiz.

Habrá un documento que compruebe que Diego González y María Rubio son en verdad padres de Francisco Gutiérrez Rubio “el viejo” y no de su esposa Ana González Florida. El genealogista Mariano González-Leal en su libro “Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia”, tiene a Diego y María como abuelos paternos, padres de Francisco “el viejo” pero no incluye la fuente de este dato.

En la Cofradía de las Ánimas de Jalostotitlán durante el año de 1637, los nietos de Diego González y María Rubio los asentaron en la cofradía ya como difuntos. En este inscrito no incluye la información si sus abuelos son paternos ó maternos.

Posiblemente uno de ellos sea por la via paterno mientras el otro sea materno o vice versa. Un poco confuso pero puede exister cuatro posibilidades.

Siendo que el apellido de la esposa de Francisco “el viejo” es González, entra la duda de que posiblemente Diego y María podrían ser los padres de Ana González Florida.

¿Será posible que ellos son padres de Ana González Florida y no de Francisco?

Estimado Guillermo:

Que (más bien debemos empezar otro tema) de los Flores Alatorre. Ya que hubo confusión entre esa familia. La ejecutoria del hijosdalgo, don Cosme Flores Alatorre es oviamente falso y signaba algunos de sus antepasados como Flores Alatorre cuando claramente ellos firmaban Flores de la Torre lo he visto por si mismo. Vengo de unas ocho veces también igualmente de mi línea materna ya que mi familia materna es de Aguascalientes.

Nuestro común amigo Conte Rubini los asigna como descendientes del capitán Joseph Flores de la Torre y Ana Franco de Paredes según el segundo tomo de Retoños de la Nueva Galicia. Espero que incluye los Flores de la Torre y Flores Alatorre en su nuevo edición. Ya he leído varios de los capítulos de la nueva edición como Anda Altamirano, Hernández Gamiño y pues me envió el capítulo de mis Méndez de Torres.

Los he estudiado por seis años seguramente no hay comparison a lo tuyo, también he econtrado bastante parece ya que en el siglo XVIII ya se podían encontrar todo lugar del México occidental.
Un amigo mío desciende del capitán Diego Flores de la Torre y Josefa Matiana Muñoz de Hermosillo radicados en Jalpa quienes casaron el 9 de enero de 1724 en Aguascalientes. Me da lástima que no nombran los padres ni tuvo éxito en poder econtrar en el información matrimonial. Todavía necesitaría buscar los archivos históricos de Aguascalientes. Por casualidad no tendrás información de éstos?

Esta línea casaron a muchos penínsulares que he notado. El hijo promogénito José Antonio Flores Alatorre según el árbol genealógico que existe en la iglesia parroquial de Jalpa dice que era “amortazado con el hábito de San Diego”. Nunce encontré ningún expediente si realmente lo era pero seria un documento importantísimo para está familia.

Me pregunto quién era el padre de este capitán Diego Flores de la Torre, podía ser el capitán Joseph Flores de la Torre y Ana Franco de Paredes?

Por lo menos he estudiado con amplitud la familia cercana de Cosme Flores Alatorre, Alcalde ordinario y Regidor de Aguascalientes quién tuvo éxito en recibir ejecutoria de nobleza aunque la genealogía que presente es una locura.

También tengo el expediente de limpieza de sangre de los Flores Alatorre cuando dos de ellos ingresaron al Real Colegio de Abogados de México.

Daniel Méndez Camino

Anita,

Even though I have a cousin named María de la O I hadn't bothered to investigate the origin of the name until you brought the subject up. It turns out the feast of 18 December was commonly called, even in the liturgical books, "S. Maria de la O", because on that day the clerics in the choir after Vespers used to utter a loud and protracted "O", to express the longing of the universe for the coming of the Redeemer (Tamayo, Mart. Hisp., VI, 485). Therefore Maria de la O Cortes may have been baptized on December 18. The pages with info on María de la O are at http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05712a.htm and http://www.mariologia.org/reflexionesmarianas347.htm
The only way to be certain that the baptism and marriage of Petronila de San Jose Aguilar is for the same person is if her parents are named the same in both records. They are most likely the same person. Hopefully someone else here can lend more insight.

Armando

I have been a member of this forum for a few months but I haven't introduced myself. I am Anita Rodriguez from Texas and I am trying to put together my family tree.

At the present I am searching for my grandfather ancestors. I know that his parents were Epigmenio Franco and Bibiana Sanchez from Guadalajara, Jalisco. I've found on the LDS site that Epigmenio's parents were Jose Onofre Nepomuceno Franco and Francisca Alvarez Tostado from Tepatitlan, Jalisco. Jose Onofre's parents were Jose Crecencio Franco and Maria de la O Cortes (by the way, does anyone know if the name "de la O" is a surname or a given name?)
Now I cannot find Jose Crecencio's birth records. From his son's, Jose Onofre, baptismal record I found his parent's names and grandparent's names which would be Crecencio's parents - Jose Franco and Petronila Aguilar. Here's where I am stuck. I've only found records for Petronila de San Jose Aguilar who married Juan Jose Franco on 11 Feb 1786 in Tepatitlan. The date would match because I've found bapt. records of Jose and Petronila's other children that date from 1791 - 1806. Could they be the same? And if so, could Petronila Victor de San Joseph de Aguilar bapt. 29 Jun 1770 in Tepatitlan also be the same person?
Please, could anyone help me! Muchas gracias.
Anita Rodriguez

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Espero que te hayan servido los contenidos del testamento de Leonardo Fregoso en
Guadalajara en 1635.

Su hija Ger?nima de la Cueva nunca hubiera sido identificada como tal, de no ser
por este testamento, pues la disparidad de apellidos respecto de sus padres,
Fregoso y Farf?n, hubiera impedido establecer dicha filiaci?n.

Do?a Ger?nima cas? con Francisco de Velasco y Temi?o, hijo de Alonso de Velasco
y Bernal de Z??iga, de Zacatecas, y de Ana Flores de la Torre. Esta informaci?n
la confirma en chantre Diego Flores de la Torre, a mediados del siglo XVII,
quien refiere que Ana, hija de Diego y de Angela Temi?o de Velasco y Ba?uelos
cas? con Alonso de Velasco a quien designa como "criollo de la tierra".

A Francisco lo encontr?, por ejemplo, en un documento en P?tzcuaro comprando
pinturas del lugar, realizadas por un artista ind?gena, lo que revela su perfil
de novohispano acriollado, educado y formado con una mentalidad propia de la
tierra.

La nieta de Leonardo Fregoso, Maria de Velasco y Z??iga fue la esposa de
Francisco G?mez Garc?a, vecino de Tecolotl?n, Jalisco. En el arhivo parroquial
de ese lugar hay datos de Francisco de Velasco y Temi?o y su hija y yerno arriba
mencionados. De ah? nacieron Jos? G?mez Garc?a, casado con Maria de la
Candelaria Aguilar y Sol?rzano; Pedro G?mez Garc?a con Maria de Contreras y
Francisca G?mez Garc?a con Felipe Garc?a de Alba, con dilatada descendencia.

Saludos cordiales

Guillermo Tovar de Teresa

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Estimado Guillermo:

Hello,

I've gone thru the online version of Jalpa Información Matrimonial 1844-1846, but I've noticed that only banns for 1844 are given. Has anyone looked at the microfilm roll? I'm wondering if the title is wrong or if the online version is missing 1845 and 1846.

I also noticed that this book didn't include any genealogical information for the couple seeking to get married. I think it's highly unlikely that there wouldn't be any related individuals looking to get married. Were there separate books for those seeking dispensations and for vanilla marriage banns?

Thanks,
Arturo

I purchased a copy of "MOCTEZUMA'S CHILDREN" by Donald E Chipman.

It is available from the University of Texas Press, Austin,for $25.

Fantastic historical information and pleasure to read. I recommend it.

Those of us who have Petronila de Moctezuma as our ancestor will recognized that

Fernando (Hernan) Cortez is our ancestor as well as Emperor Moctezuma II Xocoyotzin.

Por favor cuando manden mensajes al grupo para que te conocemos un poco
mas acabe su mensaje con su nombre completo y a su opcion su lugar donde
vives. Pero a lo mensos su nombre.

gracias,

joseph

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AL IGUAL QUE TU JAIME, PENSE EN DUPLICIDADES ETC., PERO SE TRATA DE LO
SIGUIENTE:

LO SIGUIENTE VERIDICO ESPECIALMENTE EN  LOS 1800

EXISE UNA ANOTACION EN UN VOLUMEN CON SU ENTRADA Y PARTIDA RESPECTIVA PERO:
NO ES EL MATRIMONIO  ES:

LA PRESENTACION

PERO ESTOS LO ANOTAN COMO UNA ACTA
EN ALGUNOS TIENEN UNA DIFERENCIA DE MESES EN OTROS CASOS CASI 16 MESES.

DE IGUAL MANERA ME ENCONTRE:

BAUTIZOS

UNA ENRADA UE DICE:
SE BAUTIZO A LAS TANTAS HORAS DE NACIDO POR.......

LUEGO EN ESE MISMO VOLUMEN ENCUENTRAS UNA ACTA MAS FORMAL
EN OCACACIONES CAMBIA ALGO EL NOMBRE SOBRE TODO SI LOS PADRINOS
NO SON LOS MISMO DE EL BAUTIZO DE "URGENCIA" .

ESPERO SIRVA MI CONTRIBUCION A TU INQUIETUD.

MARIA

I am seeking information about my maternal 4th great grandfather, Ysidro Alonzo. His parents were Diego Alonzo de los Ynofas and Juana Maria de Sotomayor. Ysidro was married to Ana Maria de Mata, who was baptiszed on 29 June 1749 in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, MX. They had at least four children: Joseph Andres Alonzo, Maria Bernarda Alonzo, Juan Manuel Alonzo, and Paula Roselia Alonzo.

Thank you.

Paul Gomez
Rancho Cucamonga, CA

Daniel,

I am answering your question in this forum so that other members can participate and benefit with the information provided. I have done extensive research on this family, so here it is the basic info. in a nutshell:

Luis de los Reyes and Juana de Vargas were married 27 Dec 1636 in Aguascalientes. Juana used the surname Vargas for about 16 years, then all of a sudden she began using the surname Tiscareño. Apparently, she was child of Luis Tiscareño de Molina, born shortly before he married Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza in 1623. Luis Tiscareño appears as "soltero" shortly before he married Lorenza, not "viudo".

Luis de los Reyes and Juana de Vargas (aka Juana de Tiscareño) had at least 10 children born between 1638-1665, i.e. Juan, María, Luisa, Luis, Isabel, Josepha, Inés, Juana, Theresa and Antonio.

Luisa, born in 1643, married Antonio Dias de Lomas 9 Jul 1670 in Aguascalientes.

Bill Figueroa

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Hi Bill I found this while going through the baptisms for Aguas

En la Villa de Aguas. en 27 de septiembre de 1643....bauticé una niña...Luisa, española hija de Luís de los Reyes y Juana de Vargas, españoles......

Do you think these are the same Luis Reyes and Juana Tiscareño? Same time frame and place have you worked on this couple? Is Juana Tiscareño de molina the same as Juana de Vargas? Could ????? de Vargas be the possible first wife of Luis Tiscareño before marrying Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza? Then Juana could have used the mother's name? I was fixing the tree, did this couple had a Luisa Reyes ? I had Antonio Dias de Lomas as husband to both Luisa Reyes and Luisa Tiscareno? Am i correct? Who was Antonio Dias de Lomas' wife? Im confused, thanks in advance! -Daniel

I AM CONFUSED AS TO THE USE OF SURNAMES. I HAVE SOMEONE NAMED GERTRUDIS GONZALES DE PLACENCIA. WHICH NAME IS HER FATHERS AND WHICH NAME IS HER MOTHERS? WHAT DOES "DE" SIGNIFY? AFTER SHE MARRIES IS THEIR A CHANGE? WHEN LISTED IN AN ALPHABETICAL INDEX HOW IS SHE LISTED AS? DOES SHE GO UNDER G FOR GONZALES OR DOES SHE GO UNDER "DE" OR IS SHE UNDER P FOR PLACENCIA? WHAT IF SHE REMARRIES? THANK YOU.

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I have an M Islas Gonzalez (given name may be Maria Luisa, there is an
inkblot over most of that part), married to Pedro Antonio Toledo y
Balenzuela, listed as the parents of Luis Toledo, who married Petrona de
Jesus Garcia in Nochistlan on 8 Feb, 1750. Luis Toledo is suppose to be
from the area, but I have not found any other Toledos in that period there,
nor any Islas Gonzalez. I've noted both Islas and Toledos mentioned
recently. Does anyone have anything? Thanks for sharing if you do!--Raquel

Pedro Macias Valadez married Josepha Gutierrez around 1650 in Aguascalientes. They had at least three children. Pedro MV who married 1) Francisca Ruiz de Quiroga (de Espitia) and then 2) Luisa Esparza (Gomez); Antonio, and Juana who married Juan Macias Valadez. I was wondering if any one knows who were the parents of Pedro and Josepha. For Pedro, I am guessing he could be either: 1) Pedro b. 11 july 1619, son of Felipe Macias Valadez and Maria Tabera, or 2) Pedro b. 5 june 1625, son of Pedro Macias Valadez and Luisa Villegas. Any help would be appreciated.

Pedro Macias Valadez se caso con Josepha Gutierrez alrededor de 1650 en Aguas. Tuviero por lo menos tres hijos. Pedro, que se caso con 1) Fca Ruiz de Quiroga (de Espitia) y luego con 2) Luisa de Esparza (Gomez); Antonio; y Juana que se caso con Juan Macias Valadez. Quisiera saber quienes fueron los padres de Pedro y Josepha. Para Pedro tengo la sospecha que se podria tratar de: 1) Pedro, nacido 11 julio 1619, hijo de Felipe Maicas Valadez y Maria Tabera, o 2) Pedro, nacido 5 junio de 1625, hijo de Pedro Macias Valadez y Luisa Villegas. Cualquier ayuda sera agradecida.

Jaime Alvarado

Today I returened from a very very long ordeal to Cocula , Jalisco to check on
the
Marriage of Lorenzo and Justa....(I had requested the books previously but the
priest was out of town and I needed his consent)

Just to find out that :

We must have a letter from the Diocisis de Guadalajara and the person that is
requesting should be doing the search.  No problem in my part but it was just
a bit unconfortable to have new rules I guess  most rules are " a piedrita en el
zapato".

This will have to wait for another trip and first Diocisis de Guadalajara.

The books in particular are of the early 1700

Cocula Jalisco records is the second largest recopilator of data after the
Diocisis.

I am sending this information for those that will be needed to research this
particular San Miguel Arcangel de Cocula Jalisco.

Save you the trip without the letter.

Saludos

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Me da mucho gusto que, hasta ahora, muchos miembros de Nuestros Ranchos
apoyen mi propuesta, que ya expres? en mi anterior comunicaci?n,  de no
discutir en esta p?gina web otros temas que no sean los geneal?gicos. Si
alguien desea discutir pol?tica que lo haga en otro foro. Gracias por esta
comprensi?n. Ser? muy importante que nuestra comunidad rechace discusiones
bizantinas y nos dediquemos a la historia de nuestras familias.

Guillermo Tovar de Teresa

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Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Opinion o Hechos

The nuestrosranchos.org group is dedicated to the study of genealogy of
the states of Jalisco, Zacatecas and Aguascalientes. This group will not
tolerate ongoing discussions related to other topics whether they be of
politics, race or other concerns. Having said that sometimes there is an
absolute need to bring some of these topics into discussion. For example
if the government made decisions that directly affected how and where we
could find genealogical records I'd say it is on topic as long as
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Hello,

Has anyone seen this book? I was wondering if it was worth taking a drive up to Berkley - it appears to be the only library that has it. Sounds interesting but I've been burned so many times with books that I wanted to see if I could get some input first.
Genealogical records from Nueva Galicia (Mexico), 1537-1777.

Card catalogue description: Collection of genealogical documents (originals and certified copies) concerning interrelated families of Nueva Galicia-notably the Flores, de la Torre, Alvarado,Contreras, Angulo, Figueroa, Padilla, Bañuelos, and Oñate families. Composed principally of files on genealogical inquiries conducted by the Audiencia of Guadalajara or lesser local tribunals at the request of petitioners José and Nicolás Flores de la Torre, Archdean Diego Flores de Latorre, Presbyter Luis Gómez de Alvarado, and others, who claimed kinship with such noted conquistadors as Pedro de Alvarado, Hernán Flores, Diego Pérez de la Torre (successor of Nuño de Guzmán), andFrancisco de Figueroa. With two appended genealogical reports, one prepared by the Precentor of the Guadalajara Cathedral on certain Juchipila families and the other on the Flores, de la Torre, and González families, compiled by the Inquisition and a university official, Dr. Vicente Ignacio Peña Brizuela, at the request of Vicente Flores de la Torre y González. Contains petitions, questionnaires, testimony, texts of royal decrees, viceregal or judicial orders, powers of attorney, certifications, related material, and two colored coats of arms.

Thanks,

-Angelina-

I've updated my genealogy FILES and GEDCOM Tree (3,200 individuals) for JOSEPH de LEON.

Locations of Research:
Colotlan, Huejucar, & Totatiche area in Jalisco and Jerez & Tepetongo area in Zacatecas, Mexico

Surnames Researching:
Banuelos, Borrego, Campos, Carrillo, Carlos, Covarrubias, Enriquez, de Escobedo, Flores, Gonzalez, de Leon, Mayorga, Ortiz, Quesada, del Real, Sandoval, de Sillas, Valenzuela, Villaneda, and others.

Jose Carlos de Leon

Hello everyone, my name is Enrique and I started my research about 6 months ago. I am researching Covarrubias and Orozco from Tlaltenango as well as Renteria in Zacatecas. So far in the Covarrubias’ search I have up to the 9th generation thanks to the book of “Familias antiguas of Tlaltenango” by Arturo Ramos, I found that the descendents of Jacinto de Talamantes e Isabel de Covarrubias are part directly of the genealogical tree of my mother in law. I have read some of the blogs in the “Nuestros Ranchos” and I found that there is still a confusion of whether Isabel de Covarrubias is the daughter of Maria de Covarrubias and Francisco Escobedo, or the daughter of Francisco Covarrubias. On this point I would like to research more about Isabel de Covarrubias but I don’t know what could be the next step, I know that somebody mentioned that they have a copy of the matrimonial data on Jacinto Talamantes and Isabel de Covarrubias that is available in the "Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara” but unfortunately I live in Canada and it is very difficult to get documents like this, also I know that there is a will of Francisco Escobedo where mentioned Isabel de Rodas which could be Isabel de Covarrubias. I hope somebody could provide me with a copy of these documents and guide me towards the next step in the research for this line.

In regards of the Orozco Family I have Donaciano Orozco who born in Teocaltiche on 05/Sep/1835 and married to Petra Briseño 20/Sep/1854, Donaciano’s parents are Felipe Orozco and Aleja Dena from which I am still reseaching for the marriage information and his grandparents were Mariano Orozco and Petra Bergara for which I still don’t get any information yet.

On the other hand in the search of the Renteria’s family, it just turn me into a new area, originally I have the information of the marriage of Cirilo Renteria married to Maria Hernandez 10/05/1886, both were residents of El Salvador in Monte Escobedo but I found that Cirilo Renteria was born in Vetagrande in around the year of 1856 but unfourtunately the records for those years don’t exist and it will be tought to find the generations prior, but if somebody is researching this area probably could guide to where to go.

I appreciate the help of everybody and I am really happy that I have access to this website which is the best genealogical website in Mexico, I really like it and thanks to everybody in advance.

Regards

Enrique Luviano

thank you Joseph Puentes

You are great I will if you allow me be asking you some time next week a few
pointers once I am breef on certain technical procedure.
I allways had some one to do things for me.  Now I must and wish to learn.

Gracias

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Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 18:43:51 -0500
From: Joseph Puentes
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The nuestrosranchos.org group is dedicated to the study of genealogy of
the states of Jalisco, Zacatecas and Aguascalientes. This group will not
tolerate ongoing discussions related to other topics whether they be of
politics, race or other concerns. Having said that sometimes there is an
absolute need to bring some of these topics into discussion. For example
if the government made decisions that directly affected how and where we
could find genealogical records I'd say it is on topic as long as
"opinion" doesn't creep into the discussion. . ."Just the facts,
please"! There are other examples, I'm sure. I would encourage everyone
in the group who believes that the discussion has crossed from "Just the
facts" to "opinion" to please please send me a private email
(joseph@nuestrosranchos.org). This is your group and I am from this day
forward making everyone accountable to monitor that the discussion stays
on topic and respectful.

El grupo nuestrosranchos.org esta dedicado al estudio de la genealog?a
de los estados de Jalisco, de Zacatecas y de Aguascalientes. Este grupo
no tolerar? las discusiones relacionadas con otros asuntos si est?n de
pol?tica, de raza o de otras cosas. A veces hay una necesidad absoluta
de traer algunos de estos asuntos en la discusi?n. Por ejemplo si el
gobierno tom? las decisiones que afectaron directamente a c?mo y a donde
podr?amos encontrar los expedientes geneal?gicos dijere que ese asunto,
menos la opini?n, es un buen asunto de discusi?n. Solamente los hechos,
por favor. Creo que hay otros ejemplos. Animar?a cada uno en el grupo
que cree que la discusi?n ha cruzado de solamente de los hechos a la
opini?n que me mandan un email privado (joseph@nuestrosranchos.org).
?ste es su grupo y de este d?a delantero estoy haciendo cada uno
responsable para supervisar que la discusi?n permanece en asunto y
respetuoso .

joseph

ps: these days I don't have a lot of time and I'll quickly do whatever I
have to bring an out of order discussion into order. If the thought
crosses your mind that "what you have to say" might be off topic then I
would suggest that "IT IS" and for you to take that discussion to
"PRIVATE EMAIL" with the individuals concerned. Now if you believe that
the individuals concerned are too many to easily number I can quickly
tutor you how to start a discussion group on Yahoo Groups where you can
discuss any and all topics.

p.d: actualmente en estos dias no tengo mucho tiempo y harare
r?pidamente lo que tengo a traer a una discusi?n que es desordenada en
una discusi?n que sea ordenada. Si el pensamiento cruza su mente que
"qu? usted tiene que decir" puede ser de asunto entonces yo sugerir?a
que SEA y para que usted tome que la discusi?n al EMAIL PRIVADO con esos
individuos. Ahora si usted cree que los individuos referidos est?n a
muchos a numerar f?cilmente puedo tutor r?pidamente c?mo comenzar a un
grupo de discusi?n en los grupos de Yahoo donde usted puede discutir
cualesquiera y todos los asuntos

======================

The nuestrosranchos.org group is dedicated to the study of genealogy of
the states of Jalisco, Zacatecas and Aguascalientes. This group will not
tolerate ongoing discussions related to other topics whether they be of
politics, race or other concerns. Having said that sometimes there is an
absolute need to bring some of these topics into discussion. For example
if the government made decisions that directly affected how and where we
could find genealogical records I'd say it is on topic as long as
"opinion" doesn't creep into the discussion. . ."Just the facts,
please"! There are other examples, I'm sure. I would encourage everyone
in the group who believes that the discussion has crossed from "Just the
facts" to "opinion" to please please send me a private email
(joseph@nuestrosranchos.org). This is your group and I am from this day
forward making everyone accountable to monitor that the discussion stays
on topic and respectful.

El grupo nuestrosranchos.org esta dedicado al estudio de la genealogía
de los estados de Jalisco, de Zacatecas y de Aguascalientes. Este grupo
no tolerará las discusiones relacionadas con otros asuntos si estén de
política, de raza o de otras cosas. A veces hay una necesidad absoluta
de traer algunos de estos asuntos en la discusión. Por ejemplo si el
gobierno tomó las decisiones que afectaron directamente a cómo y a donde
podríamos encontrar los expedientes genealógicos dijere que ese asunto,
menos la opinión, es un buen asunto de discusión. Solamente los hechos,
por favor. Creo que hay otros ejemplos. Animaría cada uno en el grupo
que cree que la discusión ha cruzado de solamente de los hechos a la
opinión que me mandan un email privado (joseph@nuestrosranchos.org).
Éste es su grupo y de este día delantero estoy haciendo cada uno
responsable para supervisar que la discusión permanece en asunto y
respetuoso .

joseph

ps: these days I don't have a lot of time and I'll quickly do whatever I
have to bring an out of order discussion into order. If the thought
crosses your mind that "what you have to say" might be off topic then I
would suggest that "IT IS" and for you to take that discussion to
"PRIVATE EMAIL" with the individuals concerned. Now if you believe that
the individuals concerned are too many to easily number I can quickly
tutor you how to start a discussion group on Yahoo Groups where you can
discuss any and all topics.

p.d: actualmente en estos dias no tengo mucho tiempo y harare
rápidamente lo que tengo a traer a una discusión que es desordenada en
una discusión que sea ordenada. Si el pensamiento cruza su mente que
"qué usted tiene que decir" puede ser de asunto entonces yo sugeriría
que SEA y para que usted tome que la discusión al EMAIL PRIVADO con esos
individuos. Ahora si usted cree que los individuos referidos están a
muchos a numerar fácilmente puedo tutor rápidamente cómo comenzar a un
grupo de discusión en los grupos de Yahoo donde usted puede discutir
cualesquiera y todos los asuntos

======================

Joseph Puentes
NoMeat@h2opodcast.com
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