Nuestros Ranchos Site

Estimado Teodulo,
Muchas gracias por la informacion de Juan de Montoro, y tambien aprovecho para extender las gracias a Bill Figueroa, por su continua generosidad de compartir informacion. Respecto a mi coneccion con Juan de Montoro, aun no lo he podido establecer, pero tengo un par de sospechas. Una de estas es por Antonia Vargas Machuca casada con Nicolas Castaneda, pero aun no he podido encontrar el nombre de sus padres. Antonia debio haber nacido alrededor de 1665. Me pregunto si esta relacionada con Juan Domingo Vargas Machuca y Catalina de Ayala. La otra linea es por Maria de Avila casada con Juan de Montoro III, pero desconosco el nombre de los padres de Maria. Quiza tu o George tengan informacion a ese respecto.

Saludos

Jaime

buenos dias tengan todos, me surge una duda en un extracto del libro de

Alfredo Moreno González, Santa María de los Lagos, 1999, p. 58-59
aparecen los siguientes datos:

MONTORO, Juan de
AYALA, Micaela de esposa del precedente

y tambien

MONTORO, Cristóbal
AYALA, Catalina de esposa del precedente

en la primer acta de 1614 matrimonio de Constanza de Alvarado y Alonso de Torres aparecen como sus padrinos Juan de Montoro y Catalina de ayala su mujer

aqui la liga a la imagen:
https://www.familysearch.org/s/image/show#uri=http%3A//pilot.familysear…

quien realmente fue la mujer de Juan de Montoro, Catalina o Micaela?

This is just a reminder that the 2nd Annual Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society Conference will be held on April 30, 2011 in Rancho Cucamonga, California.

The registration deadline is February 28, 2011. If you would like a copy of the program, registration form, informational flyer, or hotel information, please email Rosalinda Ruiz at nggsconference@yahoo.com .

Nuestros Ranchos moderator Arturo Ramos will be speaking, along with Dr. Eric Van Young, Professor of History at the University of California, San Diego.

Seating is limited, so please register soon!

Rosalinda

Parece que hubieron varios Prudencio Marin Herrera, pero en la acta de
dispencion, --se menciona que era vecino de Ojo de Rana, cercas de Tlaltenango,
Zacatecas (aunque sospecho que este rancho queda mas cercas a Atolinga).
El se caso con Nicolaza Paula de San Martin y Estrada. Tienes razon, creo
que tambien tuvo el nombre Bernardino, pero utilizo ese nombre nada mas
cuando nacio su primera hija. Ya, despues unicamente utlizaba el nombre de
Prudencio.

En la misma acta de dispensacion, indica que sus padres se llamaban Luis
Marin Herrera y su mama se llamaba Roza Serrano, ambus difuntos en el ano
1744. Pienso que la mama de Luis Marin Herrera se llamaba Lucia Marina.

I think there were various Prudencio Marin Herrera, but in the the acta de
marriage dispensation, it is mentioned that he was a neighbor of Ojo de
Rana, which would have been close to Tlaltenango (although I have reason to
believe this was closer to Atolinga). You are correct, I believe his first
name was Bernardino, but he only used this name once, when his first female
child was born, Thereafter, he used Prudencio.

In the same marriage dispensation, it indicates that his parents were Luis
Marin Herrera and his mother was Roza Serrano, both having perished by
1744. I think that the mother of Luis Marin Herrera was Lucia Marina - or
Lucia Marin? No father was mentioned.

Does anyone have any knowledge where these ranchos may have been located:
Ojo de Rana,
MecatabascoVilla de Refugio
Machaela Ponce?

I have often seen posts of members trying to find a limited edition or out of print book of genealogy interest.

One way to find them in a library to to use WorldCat http://www.worldcat.org/ If you find a book here, it will tell you the names of libraries that have it, as well as what format (book, microfilm,etc). For example, WorldCat says Retonos de Espana en la Nueva Galicia (I have only found volume 2, never volume 1; and never an electronic version)) is in the following libraries:

University of California, Berkeley
University of Iowa, Iowa City
Biblioteca Nacional de Mexico
Stanford University Library, STANFORD, CA
Angelo State University Library, SAN ANGELO, TX
San Antonio Public Library, SAN ANTONIO, TX
El Colegio De Mexico, Distrito Federal
Biblioteca Nacional de España, Madrid
Princeton University Library, PRINCETON, NJ

This will list only libraries that are part of the WorldCat system. For example, the Sutro Branch of the California State Library in San Francisco also has it, but it is not shown in WorldCat. This copy circulates, which is probably not the case for the University Library copies. The Universities will have different rules about who can use their collections. For example a University of California alumni can use the UC libraries, but a member of the public must purchase a library card for $100.

Sometimes electronic copies of books are available. Do a search on google books. Some books are available as complete editions (if the book is out of print and is no longer covered by copyright). Ocassionally only a preview version is available. With luck, it may have the pages you are interested in. Google Books allows you to search for words on phrases in their editions.

The Internet Archive at http://www.archive.org/ is also a useful resource, but I've found it better for books related to American genealogy than for other countries. If you find a source here, it will be in several formats: OCR digitized (my experience is that these aren't good), black and white or color pdf files, and sometimes files for Kindle, Nook, and similar devices. Sometimes the pdfs are searchable, sometimes not.

On all of these systems you can search by title, author, keyword, and so on.

Some University libraries have special collections that have emphasis on certain regions. For example, the Bancroft Library at UC Berkeley has a lot of material on Mexico, including very rare, original manuscripts. There are special rules about using its collection, but it is available to the public at no charge (at present!).

The libraries will have different rules about what can be photocopied, who can photocopy (you or library staff), or how much of a file or book can be copied.

If the book is in a special collection, it is best to contact the library before going there; the book may actually be physically located elsewhere (especially true for the Bancroft Library).

Another way to do a search is to simply use Google. Search for the full title (or most of it). Sometimes you are lucky and you'll get a full text pdf that you can download.

Retoños de España en la nueva Galicia, yo se los puedo conseguir. tomo 1 y
2.

2011/1/15

aprovecho para solicitarles su opinion con respecto a mi linea paterna, en ella tengo un punto negro que tratare a continuacion de explicar:

Matrimonio de:
1. Jorge Ayala Cortez y Tomaza Ruis de Esparza
17 de noviembre de 1688, villa de aguascalientes
de este matrimonio nacieron tres hijos uno de ellos fue:

2. George Ayala Ruis de Esparza del cual no tengo su acta de bautismo, pero si su acta de matrimonio, a continuacion:

2. George de Ayala Ruis de Esparza y Francisca Macias Avila, 11 de septiembre de 1709, villa de Aguascalientes, de este matrimonio nacieron 5 hijos

3. Maria 22 junio 1710, villa de aguascalientes
4. Juan Ricardo 13 de mayo de 1714, villa de aguascalientes
5. Teodora 28 Abril 1716, villa de aguascalientes
6. Marcos Andres 24 Agosto 1720, villa de aguascalientes
7. Juan Xavier 4 Julio 1723, cienega de mata, Ojuelos, Jalisco

de los tes primeros 3. Maria, 4. Juan Ricardo y 5. Teodora no he encontrado mas datos pero de
6. Marcos Andres y 7. Juan Ricardo tengo sus actas de matrimonio y bautismos de sus hijos

hasta aqui son los datos comprobados de 2. George de Ayala Ruis de Esparza en aguascalientes, aparentemente emigro a el estado vecino de San Luis Potosi, especificamente al Valle de San Francisco (hoy villa de reyes) en la hacienda del Pardo, donde de alguna forma se relaciono con una muchacha "coyota" de nombre Toribia Bacilia (no cuento con el acta de matrimonio de esta unión) y a partir del 17 de Junio de 1745 existen actas de bautismo de sus hijos (11 hijos barones)

George Ayala y Toribia Bacilia (en el Valle de san Francisco, SLP) hijos de esta unión:
8. Juan Manuel
9. Ascencio George Dionisio
10. Jose Martin
11. Francisco Xavier de los Santos
12. Jose Doroteo
13. Jose Joaquin Florentino
14. Felipe
15. Joseph Antonio
16. Joseph Simon
17. Juan Estanislao
18. Jph. Domingo

Intentando ligar al 2.George de Aguascalientes con el George del Valle de San Francisco, SLP

6. Marcos Andres Ayala Macias contrajo matrimonio con Margarita de Aguilar, 10 de Febrero de 1750, Asientos de Ibarra, Aguscalientes
todos los hijos de este matrimonio menos uno fueron bautizados en el Valle de San Francisco, San Luis Potosi, estas actas de bautismo aun no las tengo, se que al tenerlas me serán de mucha ayuda

7. Juan Xavier Ayala Macias contrajo matrimonio con Maria de la Luz Rodriguez,26 Febrero 1759, Valle de San Francisco, SLP
de este matrimonio nacieron dos niñas y fueron bautizadas en el Valle de San Francisco

19. Maria Juliana Ayala Rodriguez 15 de abril de 1760, Valle de san Francisco, SLP
20. Martina Ayala Rodriguez 7 de febrero de 1762, Valle de San Francisco, SLP

Cuando nacen ambas niñas son vecinos de la Estancia, en el bautismo de 20.Martina Ayala Rodriguez fueron padrinos George Dionisio y su Hera. Rosalia vecinos de la Sierra Gorda.

Aquí pueden ver a alguien ya conocido aunque sin su apellido: George Dionisio, me atrevo a suponer que se trata de 9. Ascencio George Dionisio ¿esto demuestra que 7. Juan Xavier Ayala Macias y 9. Ascencio George Dionisio son hijos ambos del mismo padre?

Divagando: al no contar con un acta de matrimonio del George Ayala del Valle de San Francisco donde con un documento pueda comprobar que este es el mismo de Aguascalientes (en este caso viudo de Francisca Macias Avila)

¿me puedo arriesgar a tomar ambos George como la misma persona?

¿Qué tan factible seria encontrar a dos personas con el mismo nombre en dos pueblos tan cercanos geográficamente en el periodo de 1709-1745? Y que además concidan sus hijos en el bautismo de sus descendientes

Este es el punto negro de mi ascendencia paterna que desde hace años he tratado de solucionar y lo expongo a ustedes esperando contar con su sincera opinión, les agradesco la atención prestada

Teodulo Ayala

Saludos a todos,

Mi familia, por ambas partes es de la región de Los Altos, en particular Valle de Guadalupe, Jalos y Tepa. Estoy a su disposición para cualquier duda o comentario.
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/19157

Me dijo un experto que cuando aparece la palabra en un registro eclesiastico es imposible saber quienes fueron los padres. Se usa cuando dejaban a un niño pequeño en casa de otra familia que lo criaba. En ocasiones conservaba su apellido y otras veces llevaba el del dueño de la casa. Sin embargo, la persona que busco no era un niño. Su registro de matrimonio a los 23 años en 1760 dice “expuesto” en casa de X por 10 años, o sea que llego de 13. Tambien conserva su propio apellido paterno. No se que mas puedo intentar.

An expert told me when this word is contained a church record, it is impossible to find out who his parents were. They used it when a child was left at another family’s home to raise. Sometimes they used their own last name and other times the home’s owner’s. However, the individual I am looking for was not a child. His marriage record at 23 in 1760 says “expuesto” at X’s home for 10 years, which means he was already 13. He also uses his own last name. I don’t know what to try next.

I found a really cool link which allows you to read old church and census records!! I was able to find christening records for many members of my family and wanted to share it with you all. Good luck!

https://beta.familysearch.org/s/image/show#uri=http%3A//pilot.familysea…

Ojala algun compaingyero tenga datos sobre los siguientes.

Juan de Dios Hernandez con Guadalupe Hernandez,
el hijo es Jose Julian Hernandez Hernandez,caso con Maria Antonia Gascon,
28 Oct. 1776, Ayo el Chico.

Cosme Hernandez Gascon con Ma. Diomacia de la Trinidad Hernandez Macias,
la hija es Ma. Ramona Desideria Hernandez Hernandez,nacio 12 Feb. 1828, Arandas.

un saludo a todos los miembros del foro, soy nuevo en el mismo y aprovecho para ponerme a las ordenes de todos, las familias que investigo son:

Andres Ayala con Betris Rangel Cortes, villa de aguascalientes, años 1634-1669

Jorge Ayala Cortes con Tomasa Ruis de Esparza, villa de aguscalientes, años 1688-1714

Jorge Ayala Ruis de Esparza con Francisca Macias Avila, villa de aguscalientes, años 1709-1750

actualmente mi busqueda familiar esta centrada en la villa de agauscalientes con mi antepasado por la linea paterna Andres Ayala el cual caso con Beatris Cortes Rangel (o Betris Rangel Cortes o Betris Peguero)el 20 de junio de 1634, esta fecha de matrimonio la da como resultado una busqueda en el sitio de LDSch, pero no cuento con el documento de matrimonio. alguien de ustedes me puede ayudar con esto, agradezco de antemano su ayuda, saludos a todos

I have recently "discovered" this document, the Codex Chimalpahin. The author was apparently not part of the indigenous artistocracy. This was written in the early 1600s, some portions possibly earlier; some is original, and some from other sources. It was originally written in Nahuatl and Spanish, and presents some very important information of interest to many Nuestros Ranchos members.

The codex was acquired by the archive of the Bible Society in England in the early 1800s, and was re-discovered in the late 1980s, and its importance realized, when the archive was being move to Cambridge University.

The codex has been transcribed and translated into English. This was published as two volumes in 1997, and is well indexed. These volumes can be found in major university libraries.

The two sections of primary interest are the descendants of Moctezuma and the descendants of the Valderama de Moctezuma and Sotelo de Moctezuma families.

The first part identifies 19 children of Moctezuma (a few only by sex only: daughters with unknown names), with their mothers in some cases. Most of the information is pretty sketchy, but their is more detail on Pedro, Leonore, and Isabel (using these names). Some interesting points:

Pedro de Moctezuma's son Martin had a daughter named Inez, who "just disappeared" according to the codex. From other sources: many of Pedro's descendants became Spanish nobility. I have not seen mention of her in articles/books about the various lawsuits in the early years after the conquest: did she die without heirs? As one of Moctezuma's descendants, she should have been quite "marriageable."

Leonore de Moctezuma's section named her husband Cristobal de Valderrama, their daughter Leonore, and her (the daughter Lenore) marriage with Diego Sotelo. Their children (Ana and Hernando Sotelo de Moctezuma) are called quadroons. Hernando [or Fernando from other records] it says had several children: five that are commonly seen in the published genealogies, and five more who are unnamed!! This is most interesting.

The section on Valderrama de Moctezuma / Sotelo de Moctezuma repeats this information, with some additions: It says the five children (still names unknown) are living with their father in Michhuacan. [Is "Michhuacan" Michoacan?] It says that these five children are all Spaniards because their mother was a Spaniard and their father was a quadroon. This was written in 1619.

This is interesting information about Diego Sotelo that I have not seen before.

A very interesting "omission" is that Petronilla de Moctezuma and Martin Navarro are not named at all in the Codex that I have found (I will admit that my reading of it is not complete). At this time, the two women assumed to be their daughters would have been in positions of significant social status in Aguascalientes.

More on this will follow in a later posting.

George Fulton

While it is likely that other members of the group are aware of this fact, I felt important to bring this to NR members attention. Earlier today, as I was searching for some baptismal records (images) in Aguascalientes for the period 1616-1662 in beta.familysearch.org, I found that from images 226 till 324 correspond to marriage records that start in 1601 and end in 1662.

Aunque es posible que otros miembros del grupo ya esten enterados de los siguiente, crei conveniente traerlo a la atencios de NR. Hoy por la tarde mientras buscaba registros baptismales para el periodo 1616-1662 en beta.familysearch.org, encontre que a partir de la imagen 226 hasta la 324, las mismas corresponden a los registros matrimoniales a partir de 1601 hasta 1662 de Aguascalientes

Disfruten

Jaime Alvarado

Disculpen si me equivoco, ademas de ser nuevo a este sitio, soy viejo y me cuesta navegar este laberinto.

George Herrera Saucedo

Saludos a mis nobles caballeros sin caballos y simpaticas damas.
Como no me es posible conseguir una copia del libro " Haciendas de Jalisco", quedaria sumamente agradecido si alguien me puede decir si aparece esta hacienda en dicho libro. Fue establecida por Don Joseph de Herrera cerca de 1704. Ahorita se me ocurrio preguntarle a Mariano Gonzalez Leal. Toca la casualidad de que es mi sobrino.
Su madre es Herera.

Haciendas de Jalisco y aledaños, 1506-1821

por Lancaster-Jones, Ricardo

Joseph Arias married Antonia de Esparza on 25 Nov 1716, in Aguascalientes, and had at least 10 children born in Aguascalientes.

Joseph was the son of Juan Arias and Teresa Macias. I have not found a baptismal record for him. Does anyone have information on their ancestors?

Antonia de Esparza was the daughter of Ana de Esparza and an unnamed father according to the marriage record. I have not found a baptismal record for her. Is Ana de Esparza part of the Ruis de Esparza family? Does anyone have information on her ancestors?

George Fulton

Dear Friends,
I had a brickwall in Jalpa with Jose Maria Gonzalez (JMG Jr) and his wife Julia Casillas.

I found genealogy trees in the Informacion Matrimoniales (IMs) for Jalpa and discovered that the mother of JMG was Petra Eledesma and his father was Jose Maria Gonzalez (JMG Sr). Petra's father was Estevan Eledesma according to the genealogical tree. You can find a JPEG of these tree (TroncoJMG.jpg) in my Files. I found a wedding for a "Estevan Eledesma" in Tabasco (April 16, 1792).

I am pretty sure that this wedding refers to the father or, more likely, brother of Petra as I don't know Petra's mother's name from the IMs.

Does anyone have any information on Estevan Eledesma?

I had a hard time reading the wedding record for him. I couldn't figure out some of the abbreviations and names. You can find the entry in the upper-left hand corner:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/filemanager/active?fid=3658

I'm uncertain about the following, but these are the details I was able to read:
"a Esteven Eledesma con Maria Simona dela Guera??. P?? Jose Freto?? y Maria Antta. Testigos Juan Lu?iano y Carmen Megia?"

I thought that "Guera" might also be an abbreviation for "Guanusco".

Saludos y prospero año nuevo,
Arturo

Hello,
I am conducting research for my Granillo-Perez lines from New Mexico, and Valle de Allende, Chihuahua. I have been researching the Granillo-Perez line who I think originated in Sonora. I was given a microfilm marriage record for Simon Perez-Granillo who seems to be a Captain in the military. I tried reading the record but am unfamiliar with the abbreviations done by the notaries.
What I am hoping is that this marriage record for Simon Perez-Granillo is a record of a second marriage for him. This record is from San Bartolome Valle de Allende in 1684. There are several names that appear including Marquez, Davila, Chavez. I can make out that he is a Capitan who has a "Mandato", some type of military order. Also San Joan de la Concepcion is a town mentioned as well.

Thanks if you can help me out. My husband put the PDF files (3) into an application that darkened the print so that it is easily readable.

Sincerely, Yolanda

Fue buen ano y nomas queria mandar saludos y me deseo que todos tienen
un Feliz Navidad y Ano Nuevo Seguro y Prospero.

Muchisimas gracias a los Mediadors que hacieron trabajo magnifico para
el grupo:

Alicia Carrillo
Maureen Bejar
Arturo Ramos
Angelina Markle

joseph

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Well I would Like to know If Anyone Knows about the following People

Narcisa Covarrubias Married to Josef Eligio Bugarin... I Would Like to Know If Anyone knows more on her side,

Esteban Serrano Married to Maria Juliana Correa I would Like to know If Anyone knows anymore Info on them..
Their Daughter is Maria Apolinar Serrano

Christobal De Miramontes and Maria Gonzales I would Like more information on their parents if any... their Daughter is Maria Guadalupe Paulina Miramontes Gonzales

from My Grandmas Side
Timoteo Magallanes , parents Doroteo magallanes, Tiburcia Salazar,
Doroteo's parents where Jose De Los Santos Magallanes Married to Jesus jimenez
I would Like More on them...
Tiburcia Salazar parents are, Mucio Salazar and Dolores Mayorga.. any more info on them...
and One Last name that has me very confused... I have Teposte in my tree
does anyone knows what this lastname means? its in My grandmas side
with Candelaria Teposte.. Thank you for all your help.. Happy Holidays

I found this online website of archive of Jalisco:

http://archivohistorico.jalisco.gob.mx/catalogos.htm

Hola Primo ,hice un error los demas hijos de Vicente Hermosillo en www.familysearch.org salen con Vicente Hermosillo y INES MARTIN.No se cual sera ,tambien Juan de La Trinidad Hermosillo nacido el 19 junio,1757 San Juan de los Lagos. Muy Curioso que lleva LA TRINIDAD en su nombre.
Ronnie(Rani)

Hola Primo ,La cosa esta pesada. www.Familysearch.org tiene la muerte de Maria Ines de La Trinidad Martin(del Campo) y Padilla(Davila) hija de Miguel Geronimo Martin del Campo y Josepha Padilla Davila el 27 de Abril 1760. Sacando la cuenta tuvo como 34 anos.
No se que pensar,chansa es otro Vicente ,o se volvio a casar. La cosa es no se cuando nacio Jose Lino Hermosillo para comparar los anos. Tambien hay otro personas que son hijos de un Vicente Hermosillo y Trinidad Martin. No te se dicer,esta complicada sin las actas de nacimiento ,matrimonio y chansa la acta de defuncion de las esposas de Vicente.
Bueno Primo espero tus piensamientos
Ronnie(Rani)

Hola Primo ,como estas ? Ojala que bien. Fui a www.familysearch.org a su PILOT SEARCH y meti a Vicente Hermosillo anos 1750-1756 Jalisco y resulto un Vicente Ferrer de Hermosillo o Vicente Ferrer Martin nacio eo 21 de Diciembre,1754 San Juan de Los Lagos padres Vicente Ferrer Hermosillo y Ines Martin. Este Vicente de 1754 me pone a pensar cual mujer de Vicente Hermosillo. Que piensas?
Ronnie