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I apologize if this question has been asked, I did a search and could not find a substantive answer here. It is fairly common knowledge that Spanish names in the Americas have "Z" instead of "S". Chavez instead of Chaves. My rudimentary understanding is that the "Z" was used to deal with some of the indigenous sounds in words and names already in use in South America.

My question. Does anyone know when this change took place? Was there an official edict from Spain? Was it done after the revolution? I really would like to read about this subject. Any help would be appreciated.

Henry

Is J.W. Imhoff's, Genealogiae viginti illustrium in Hispania Familiarum 1710, considered a reliable secondary source among serious genealogists?  Thanks so much, Alice  

I have hit a brick wall and need advice. Looking at old church records for my great grandfather, Teodoro Escobedo, it shows "AP Estevan y Francisca Lozano" which I've always assumed meant his grandparents were Estevan Escovedo and Francisca Lozano (maiden name). However, with the help of that link I put up I found a church record for one of Teodoro's brothers, Enrique, but it was listed as follows: "Enrique Losano" and "AP Estevan Losano y Francisca Lira". It also shows Teodoro's father as a Losano, Gabino Losano, which has confused me. My question is "AP" stands for abuelos paternos right? That would be the grandparents of the person being christened or born, in this case Teodoro right? Or would AP be an older ancestor and am I missing an ancestor? I was told our family came originally from Jalisco but most of these, in fact all, are in Zacatecas which I knew we also came from, just not this far back. Were there a lot of mistakes on the old church records? They have always seemed to verify what I was told by my grandfather and this has confused me. Thanks for any advice or help.

Robert Escobedo

http://www.somosprimos.com/sp2010/spnov10/spnov10.htm

Dear Friends and Primos:

Another busy month with election concerns and many Hispanic Heritage Month
activities running into Dia de los Muertos exhibits, lectures, and
festivities.

As you'll note on the opening page, Somos Primos is featuring an event to
be held at The Heritage Museum of Orange County, in Santa Ana, California.
The goal to promote public awareness that the 1849 California
Constitution,
was a Spanish/English bilingual document. California's population during
its growth into statehood was very diverse. Hopefully understanding
California's history will help to understand it's present status.

Closing with the words of Cyril James:
"A free man is as jealous of his responsibilities as he is of his
liberties."

Mimi

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Cynthia Swann, 2010 receives MANA Award
URL Dr. Alfredo Quinones from migrant farm worker to neurosurgeon
More Than One in Five People in the U.S. are First or Second Generation
Hispanic Paradox- Longevity
Your employers contributions for health benefits to be considered income
for you
George Washington's Thanksgiving Proclamation
Did you know . . .
Saluting AMERICAN ingenuity and American Private Enterprise for the
miracle rescue of the Chilean Miners.
Facts Abstracted from Census
Documentary . . .When Worlds Collide: The Untold Story of the Americas
After Columbus
Nina Perales, a Wise Latina by Mercy Bautista-Olvera
Hispanics Breaking Barriers, Part XXII by Mercy Bautista-Olvera
Medicinal Biochemist Rodriguez Underscores Latino Contributions to Health,

Medicine By Valerie Lambros
The Benefit of Learning to Serve
On the Subject of Religious Freedom
Smithsonian honors Hispanic Heritage Month with special exhibits
Women's Right to Vote

[[ California's Bilingual 1849 Constitution ]]
California's Real Birthday, November 13, 1849 by Galal Kernahan
A listing of the persons who actually took part in the 1849 convention
Promote our Heritage: Heritage Museum of Orange County by James P. Gray
Californians Seeking to Preserve Hispanic Cultural Heritage, Los
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"Bloody Shirt"
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Library Service Division& Mexican American Studies Program

Honoring Leaders
George Ballis: Photographer 1925 to September 24th at the age of 85
Edmundo "Eddie" Escobedo Community activist 1932 to 2010 at age 77
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by Mercy Bautista-Olvera
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Dr Emilio Zamora, “Claiming Rights and Righting Wrongs.”
Saltypie, A Choctaw Journey from Darkness into Light by Tim Tingle
Seven Sins, Seven Stories, Fiction from Puerto Rico by Ronald C. Flores
The Latino Migration Experience in North Carolina by Hannah Gill

Hola a todos. Estoy tratando de completar el árbol genealogico por el lado materno del famoso escritor laguense Mariano Azuela González. El lado paterno ya lo ha publicado Javier Sanchiz Ruiz en Geneanet y veo que Mariano fue pariente de muchos miembros de aqui y por los mismo posiblemente les interesaria ver su árbol.
La página es http://gw5.geneanet.org/index.php3?b=sanchiz&lang=es;pz=javier+eusebio;…
Su entrada en wikipedia es http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariano_Azuela

Hello everyone, I am trying to complete the family tree of the writer from Lagos de Moreno, Mariano Azuela González. His paternal side has already been published by Javier Sanchiz Ruiz in Geneanet. I see that he is related to many people here through that side and you may like seeing his tree at http://gw5.geneanet.org/index.php3?b=sanchiz&lang=en;pz=javier+eusebio;…
His wikipedia page is at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariano_Azuela

Aqui esta lo que he completado hasta ahora del lado materno, con posibilidades de errores, y agradecería cualquier ayuda que me puedan dar.

This is what I have so far of his maternal line, with possible errors. I would appreciate any help that can be given.

Generación 1
* 1 - Paulina González Romo
Generación 2
* 2 - José María González Soto
* 3 - Cleofas Romo Martín
Generación 3
* 4 - Miguel González Alcala 1793
* 5 - María Guadalupe Soto Villalobos 1818
* 6 - Ignacio Romo
* 7 - Ana María Martín
Generación 4
* 8 - Pedro González
* 9 - Juana Alcala
* 10 - Luciano Soto
* 11 - Maria Villalobos Martín del Campo
Generación 5
* 22 - Gregorio Nicolas Villalobos
* 23 - Trinidad Martín del Campo

Un saludo cordial,

Armando

I have a number of copies of Esteban Valdes Salazar's books: Historia de Totatiche Tomo I and Tomo II.

The first volume includes a history of Totatiche including some genealogical information such as a census of the 100 Tlaxcaltec families that arrived in Colotlan in 1591 and some transcriptions of old Colotlan Franciscan Convent marriage and baptism records from the late 1600s and early 1700s related to localities around Totatiche.

The second volume is a collection of land grant document transcriptions. Basically, nearly all of the original land grants made to the Spanish families in the region, including to the Gaete, Pinedo, Lemus, Fernandez de Jaraquemada, Gutierrez del Palacio, Urena, etc.

I can offer each book for $20 plus shipping. If you are interested, please contact me via email arturo.ramos2 [at] gmail [dot] com or through the Nuestros Ranchos contact form.

Hello Group,
I'm been researching the Gonzalez line and I have hit a wall in Jalpa. I am stuck in my inability to find information for Jose Maria Gonzalez who married Julia Casillas. I have found two of his three of his children, Simon, Maria, and Lucas. Lucas is my direct descendant. Based on a marriage bann and marriage for Simon in Teul in 1865, I suspect that Jose Maria married Julia around 1830 (Simon was 35 at his marriage and was from Jalpa). Maria's wedding in 1869 took place in El Plateado (no age given for her--her husband was about 26) and she was from La Villita (between Jalpa and Huanusco). However, I've looked at the Jalpa weddings for 1827-1838 and the Tabasco film for this time period, and I didn't find Jose Maria's or Julia's wedding.

I also looked at Tabasco's bautismos for 1826-1838 and haven't found any baptisms for Simon his brothers and sisters. I've already ordered the film for the next decade to see if I can find Lucas' or Maria's (or other's) baptism record. But so far, I haven't found ANY baptisms for Jalpa in the Tabasco records.

I'm wondering where else I may find baptisms for people from Jalpa?

Also I am going to La Villita in December and was going to try to see the records of the churches in Jalpa and La Villita. Have any of you had success getting access to the books? Any suggestions for how to talk to the priests?

As a side note, I have found some interesting things about my direct ancestor's, Simon, family troubles. He married Valeriana Gonzales (no relation) in 1865, and she was supposedly a virgin "celibe", but there are two records of children born before the wedding, one of which may have been by another man. A few years later though she had several children by other men. The baptisms have the grandparents' info so i know it's the "same" Valeriana.

At first I suspected Simon might have died, but then I found that there were a few other Simon Gonzales from Teul de Gonzalez who had children from different women. Unfortunately, there was no info on the paternal grandparents or age that would help confirm whether these were the same Simons. if the are the same, this meant that Valeriana and Simon must have a very spicy relationship, one worthy of a few mariachi songs or a soap opera!

Arturo

Estoy tratando de encontrar algun documento o la transcripcion de algun documento que pruebe que MAGDALENA DE AGUILAR (esposa de FRANCISCO ELIZONZDO) era hija de GASPAR DUARTE y MARIA DE AGUILAR (todos ellos vivian en MAZAPIL, Zacatecas, hacia 1625-1655). Me parece que el libro que cito al final del mensaje podria contener la informacion que necesito, en particular en la pagina 16. Si alguien lo tiene y por favor me puede pasar una foto o imagen de las porciones del libro en las que den información biografica sobre estos personajes o sus hijos se los agradecería. Muchas gracias, VN

I am trying to find some document or the transcription of a document showing if MAGDALENA DE AGUILAR (wife of FRANCISCO ELIZONZDO) was the daughter of GASPAR DUARTE and MARIA DE AGUILAR (they all lived in MAZAPIL, Zacatecas, around 1625-1655). I think the following book may have this information, particularly on page 16. If somebody has it and could please send me a photo or image of the parts of the book containing biographical information of these persons or their children I’d really appreciate it. Thanks a lot, VN

Guillermo Garmendia Leal, Origen de los Fundadores de Texas, Nuevo Mexico, Coahuila y Nuevo Leon. ZACATECAS, Tomo 1, 1995 (Contains marriages of Mazapil, 1649-1700, Deaths in Mazapil, 1667-1693, and protocolos of Mazapil 1568-1713. Jursiciction included six outposts & haciendas. Monterrey, 1995, 1st Ed., 107 Pgs.)

Victoriano Navarro

Hola compañeros de nuestros ranchos, tengo tiempo en búsqueda de mis ancestros de la Cámara y Menoyo, vecinos de la Hacienda de Santa Clara en jurisdicción de Jalpa, Zacatecas. La última persona que tengo registrada de dicha familia es a mi ancestro Juan de la Cámara y Menoyo, esposo de María Flores de la Torre, de quienes no tengo quienes son sus ancestros.

Juan de la Cámara y Menoyo y María Flores de la Torre tuvieron por hijo a Gabriel de la Cámara y Menoyo, segundo de sus hijos, quien casó en Nochistlán con María de la Asunción Corona Caxigales el 13 de noviembre de 1743, hija legítima de Cayetano Corona y Juana Teresa Caxigales, de quienes tampoco se quienes fueron sus ancestros.

Gabriel de la Cámara y Menoyo y María de la Asunción Corona tuvieron una hija llamada María Manuela Silvestra de la Cámara y Menoyo, bautizada el 05 de enero de 1750 en Nochistlán. Ella casó el 27 de noviembre de 1769 en Nochistlán con Carlos Antonio Dámaso Gallegos López, hijo de Santiago de los Reyes y María Magdalena López. Esta pareja es el tronco de los Gallegos del rancho el Mezquite y Mazatitlán de Tepatitlán.

Carlos Antonio Gallegos y María Manuela de la Cámara tuvieron por hija a María Gertrudis Florentina Gallegos de la Cámara, bautizada en Nochistlán el 20 de marzo de 1772, y casada en Tepatitlán el 08 de febrero de 1795 con Juan María de la Mora Hurtado de Mendoza, hijo legítimo de Miguel de la Mora Hurtado de Mendoza y María Petra de los Dolores de Hermosillo.

¿Alguno de ustedes tiene alguna información adicional que nos pueda proporcionar a los varios descendientes de esta familia que hay en el foro? Muchas gracias de antemano.

L.C.P. Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, México.
Tel.: 3781095311
www.facebook.com/jorgeluis.ramirezgomez

I need help...I'm trying to help my brother-in-law locate his g grandfather...Juan Ybarra......just trying to find out where he was born.

Manuel Ybarra married Elisa Ybarra in Dallas Tx . Manuel was born in Kaufman Tx on 1920. He had a brother named Birginio Ybarra born in 1927.

Their parents were Juan R Yabarra and Apolinaria Pena. Juan was born in Mexico but we can not find out where he was born. Juan's father was

Apolinario Ybarra or Abolinario Ybarra born in Mexico too we guess. Apolinario's wife only has a name of "Espiririona" not sure if this is a last name or a first name.

We got a hold of Juan Ybarra's Death certificate and this is where it says that his parents were Abolinario Ybarra and Espiririona.

Can anyone help.

Thanks

Hello All,

Very excited to part of this community of folks in search of there families history...where to begin well my name is Rafael Arroyo Gomez, I am in search of my Father (given name) Francisco Flores Nuño but changed his name when he joined the army to Salvador M. Arroyo pedigree. He was born in El Salto Jalisco around 1940 +/- 5, His mother's name is Maria de Jesus Nuño also born in El Salto but around 1927 +/- 5. It is my understanding the he was a love child and his father X Flores never recognized him as his own, it is also my understanding that the Flores family made an attempt of contacting him in the 1980's but it would seem that he wanted nothing to do with them. Although both my father and grandma are still alive, they are not good resources because of there lack of interest in the Flores Family of El Salto. Both my brother and sister are extremely interested in learning more about my fathers side...my mother's pedigree is very well documented by Gabriel Agraz García de Alba of Tecolotlan, Profesor and Famous Jalisco historian.

Flores unknown - Side I am in search of... Francisco Flores born in El Salto Jalisco around 1940 +/- 5, His mother's name is Maria de Jesus Nuño also born in El Salto but around 1927 +/- 5.

Gomez Family from Tecolotlan and Tenamaxtlan Jalisco, Genealogy records to Tronco Don Juan Gomez Garcia Birth about 1620, first known Gomez in Tecolotlan, Jalisco.

PM if interested in GEDCOM file for your own research.

Cheers,
Rafael Arroyo (Flores) Gomez

Is anyone in the group researching the Tylor surname from Zacatecas and
Sinaloa? If so contact me privately at joseph@nuestrosranchos.org

Hay alguien en el grupo que esta haciendo la buscader del apellido Tylor
en Zacatecas y Sinaloa? Si lo buscas mandame un correo a
joseph@nuestrosranchos.org

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
NoMeat@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

I search on the beta files and I need help identifing the location of the Marriage Place: Santiago Apostol,Neutla,Guanajuato,Mexico
Where is this church or city in Guanajuato?
Thank you:
Groom's Name Jose Ygo. Herrera
Groom's Birth Date
Groom's Birthplace
Groom's Age
Bride's Name Ma. Ramona Nunes De La Roxa
Bride's Birth Date
Bride's Birthplace
Bride's Age
Marriage Date 16 Jan 1813
Marriage Place Santiago Apostol,Neutla,Guanajuato,Mexico
Indexing Project (Batch) Number M60796-9
System Origin Mexico-ODM
Source Film Number 655363
Thank you
Sylvia H Corona Cortes

Here is one more record from the Beta site that I need help identifying the locaation: Baptism/Christening Place SAN JUAN BAUTISTA, SAN JUAN DE LA VEGA,
GUANAJUATO, MEXICO
Where is San Juan Bautista, San Juan de la Vega?

Name Jose Benito Abad De Jesus Herrera Nunes
Gender Male
Baptism/Christening Date 20 Mar 1817
Baptism/Christening Place SAN JUAN BAUTISTA, SAN JUAN DE LA VEGA,
GUANAJUATO, MEXICO
Birth Date
Birthplace
Death Date
Name Note
Race
Father's Name Jose Ygnacio Herrera
Father's Birthplace
Father's Age
Mother's Name Maria Ramona Nunes
Source Film Number 655389

Thank you
Sylvia H Corona Cortes

This is just to let the Nuestros Ranchos group know that the registration form is now available for the 2nd Annual Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society Conference, to be held on April 30, 2011 in Rancho Cucamonga, California (Southern California).

The cost of the conference is $50 per person, which will cover the cost of the venue, lunch, and the printed materials that will be distributed at the conference. The conference is limited to 100 participants.

If you are interested in attending or would like more information, please review the announcement here: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/18909 or email me at NGGSConference@yahoo.com .

Thanks!

Rosalinda Ruiz

Rosalinda
I have not received my registration. But then again I may have.....I
always get rid of spam....
Could you send me another. I am coming in from Texas.

Mickey

In a message dated 10/23/2010 5:55:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
lareina2@ix.netcom.com writes:

I've received a few emails about the registration form. If you emailed me
your request from July, August, or September, I emailed you from
NGGSConference at yahoo dot com. I attached the registration form and an
informational flyer.

However, sometimes email programs place emails containing files from an
unknown source in the SPAM folder, so please check there to see if it was
misplaced. Otherwise, you can contact me through the Nuestros Ranchos contact
form, which is under a different email address, and I'll send it to you
individually.

Thanks!

Rosalinda

Dear Group,
While researching my father's side---
Josse de Jesus Esteban Garza Cantu 01/04/1798, his parents were named as:  Josse Francisco Garza Falcon y Tixerina, and the mother as:  Ana Maria Cantu Rio y Serda y Almandos.
   I don't know how to decipher who are the grandparents, etc. 
This is the longest name I've come across and any help would be appreciated.    Thanks so much,   Alice

I have suspended the discussion list privileges for
thehuizarfamily@yahoo.com because of spam.

If there was a way I could prevent this before the spam is sent out to
the list I would be glad to do is short of monitoring every message
before it goes out. Who know but it might come down to that if this type
of spam continues.

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
NoMeat@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

Esto es lo que se, pero si alguien puede confirmarme, se lo agradecere

C. Jose de Jesus Langarica Salcedo
Nacio el 5 de febrero de 1860, en Talpa de Allende, su Papa se llamo Nicolas Langarica y su mama Valvina Salcedo.
Fue Presidente Municipal a los 58 años de edad, con inicio del 31 de mayo de 1918, durando en este periodo 8 meses, para ser nuevamente en 1921-1922. Ignora las causas de porque duro 8 meses.
En 1949, en su presencia, le pusieron el nombre de una calle en Puerto Vallarta.
Fallecio el dia 15 de enero de 1956, a la edad de 95 años de edad.

Me interesa porque del lado materno seria mi pariente.

Muchas gracias

Felix

Hello fellow members of Nuestros Ranchos ,I am interested in any recent photos of La ex -Hacienda de San Pedro ,Huanusco and would like to see the original casa del Hacendado and also of the Main House of La Hacienda de La Luz ,Huanusco.Vintage photos and new are greatly appreciated .

does anyone know if the records that were images only are going to be put back online in the pilot program? I was was working in the records from la Sagrada Mitra for Jerez Zacatecas Mexico and they just dissapeared! I tried contacting Familysearch but could not get an answer that made any sense. I was told to look at the beta program but the images online for la Sagrada Mitra are not there.. any suggestions?

Linda in Marietta

Hi,

When I was at our village of Huejuquilla, Jalisco, Mexico. I went over to the current cemetary to find my grandparents and great grandparents.

But I also walked around looking at the dates to see which are the oldest. The oldest ones in the current cemetary date back to the early 1900's.

Then I thought about my ancestors that I found in the archives dating in the 1700's and wondered where could that old cemetary be located at?

So I asked family and friends in our village and other people about whether there was another cemetary where people from the 1700's were buried.

I was told that their is another place where there was another older cemetary. But they turned it into a Rodeo Arena and it is near a school.

I found the Search page for Mexico baptisms, and I try to complete the fields, but the courser doesn't appear to allow me to do so. What am I doing wrong? I had to Register to go to their Help blog, but they were no help.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

Does anyone know the modern name for 18th century Villa/Valle de Carrizal, Nuevo Leon?  I've tried several sources and have come up empty.  Your help would be greatly appreciated.  
Thank so much,  Alice  

Alguien tiene alguna idea de cuando van a poner algunos records de Ojuelos De Jalisco?