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Does anyone happened to have film # 0640139 Batch # M602507
Dates--1867-1883 Marriage records for Jalisco?

Thanks

Alguien a encontrado a Atenogenes Sigala, nacio alrededor de 1750-1780. Se caso con Regina Gomes. Tuvieron a Silverio Sigala. Silverio se casa con Victoria Gomes. Silverio tuvo a Maximo Sigala, que nacio en Jalostotitlan el 9 Junio 1831.

Gracias de antemano.

Sergio

When gathering LDS records is it assumed that when they "Nochistlan, Zac." they mean Nochistlan de Mejia, Zac. or do they mean the smaller town to the North East called simply Nochistlan. Or perhaps this is an entirely different place than two I am considering?
Thanks

Dear Group,
 I've come across two new situations that have become stumbling blocks to my reseach.   I refer to them as stumbling blocks, not brick walls, because I believe it's just a matter of my inexperience that is causing the problem.   I'm sure that more experienced researchers know how to deal with them, and will be willing to share and educate.
 
1.  How do you research in Spain when you don't find IGI films to view?  I've studied the PARES site and have found posssibly useful information, but don't know how to access birth, baptismal, or other records or documents to verify that I'm dealing with the right person.  I'm sure I need to acquire a new mindset, different from what I've been doing up to now with online IGI and FHC films, and I'm willing to learn.   
 
2.  How do you access films (#1553565, batch #0760031) that can't be sent to FHC and have limited access at the FHL?    
 
Your help would be greatly appreciated.    Thanks so much.      Alice

I am seeking information about these two persons, Jeronimo Lopez de la Serna, and Ana Losano, my maternal 7X in-laws. They were the parents of Thomas Lopez, husband of Juana de Soto, who were married on 25 Jun 1695 in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes (El Sagrario), Mexico.

Thank you.

Paul Gomez

I live in Rancho Cucamonga, which is about 60 miles east of L.A. and is
right next to the Ontario International Airport (ONT). The ONT is much more
easily accessible than LAX. Rancho Cucamonga is also central to all of
southern California. There are a few hotels in the city, all of which are
very nice, but the one I work with for the education seminars I host charges
a discounted rate of $79 plus taxes per night; it is six miles from the ONT
and does have a shuttle to the airport.
Depending on the size of the group, we can meet in a home, or I have access
to a very nice facility that charges $16 per hour for a room that holds
about 40. Or more for a larger room.
~Deena~

There were a number of people who were interested in attending, but for
various reasons were not able to. Many of those interested parties are from
the Los Angeles, CA area and have expressed an interest in having the next
conference there. We are more than willing to consider holding the 2011
Conference in the Los Angeles area, but to do so would require a resident of
that area to help us secure a location and help with the logistics. I want
to ask any of you living in the Los Angeles area if you would be willing to
undertake that responsibility? Please let me know ASAP because we'd like to
begin planning as early as possible. I would also like to get an idea of the
number of people interested in attending and/or being a Speaker. It will
most likely be held n April or May 2011.

En Espa?ol:

Nuestra primera Conferencia fu? un gran exito, gracias a los esfuerzos
incansables de Hely Sparkman, y la cooperaci?n de Alicia Carrillo, Mart?n
P?rez, Kitty Cort?z y los oradores excelentes.

Hubieron varias personas que estaban interesadas en atender, pero por alg?n
motivo u otro no pudieron. Muchos de ellos radican en el area de Los
Angeles, CA y han expresado inter?s en que la prox?ma Conferencia se realize
en el area de Los Angeles. Para poder satisfacer esta petici?n
necesitariamos que alg?n residente de esa area nos ayudara encontrar el
lugar y con todas las log?sticas necesarias para el evento. Hay alguien que
este dispuesto a hacerse cargo de esta responsabilidad? Por favor
comuniquense conmigo lo mas pronto posible. Tambien me gustaria saber a
cuantos de Ustedes les gustaria atender y/o ser oradores. Lo mas probable
es que el proximo a?o va a ser en Abril o Mayo de 2011.

Maria Cortez

Seeing my e-mail inbox fill up with members not sure if they should purchase a book or inquiring to its content.....I have a suggestion.

Take advantage of your local library. Many, many moons ago I borrowed Mariano Gonzalez Leal's book "Retoños De España En La Nueva Galicia" through interlibrary loan. In fact it was one of the first books I saw regarding Nueva Galicia. Since then I have used interlibrary loan when trying to find books out of print. I've copied what I needed and have never been disappointed.

In these times where our pocket book is tight or a little lean, take advantage of the free service. Go to Google books, enter the author or title of the book you are looking for. When the book link pops up on the left hand side there is a link "find in library". That will direct to "WorldCat.org". WorldCat lists the book and in this case there is a copy in Mexico, Spain, Stanford in California, San Antonio, Tx and Princeton in NJ. Take this printout to your local library and fill out the form...sometimes I just give my copy of the print out to the librarian and they try to find a closer location who owns a copy.

Another book I obtained through interlibrary loan a long time ago was "Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara Antiguo Obispado de la Nueva Galicia". The book came from U.C. Riverside, CA. So I got to see the book before Maria de la Luz Montejano Hilton sold it to the general public.

Also check out the LDS library catalog for books on microfilm. I know that Mariano's other book regarding the Romo de Vivar's and Guerra family is available....since I have also copies of it.

Rose

I am seeking information about my 8th maternal great grandparents. They were married on 02 Sep 1662 in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico. They had 7 children: Teressa, Ana, Ines, Manuel, Joseph, Onofre, and "Po"?

Thank you.

Paul Gomez
Rancho Cucamonga, CA

I'm researching my ancestors, I am not an advanced geneologist by any means and any help would be greatly appreciated. My maternal grandfather is Julian Beltran Ramirez, his parents were Francisco Beltran and Aniceta Ramirez Curiel. In the 1930 Census it lists my grandfather as having been born in Juanacatlan, Jalisco in 1910 and his father from La Cofradia, Jalisco in 1874 and his mother from Zaplotanejo, Jalisco in 1875. I am looking for dates and information(birth, death, etc) for their parents. Eduviges Beltran and Francisca Navarro. I only have their names but I can't find any dates for them or where exactly they are from.

My maternal grandmother is Gregoria Flores Alvares born in 1915 and her parents Marcelino Flores born in 1890 and Simona Alvares born in 1900. In the 1930 census it just lists all of them as being from Jalisco, Mexico.

Thanks in advance for any help.

JGamez-Friend

Can some one tell me how to call to Mexico if I have a 1800 number. Do I need to dial 01152-800-XXX-XXX I have tried so many ways and I can not get it right.

Thanks

Varios meses en el pasado, hubo una consulta acerca Josefa Beas, y
Juan Thadeo Salas. Ahora he encontrado la línea en mi base de datos paterna.
He encontrado dos hijos con los registros de matrimonio en Totatiche, Jalisco,
1775 y 1872. Lo siento, no he sido capaz de localizar el
envío original en Nuestro's Rancho's.

Parece que tenemos antepasados comunes, y ahora puedo compartir la información sobre nuestra línea familiar.

Several months ago, there was an inquiry on Josefa Beas, and
Juan Thadeo Salas. I have now found the line in my paternal data base.
I have found two son’s with marriage records in Totatiche, Jalisco,
1775 and 1872. I’m sorry, I have not been able to locate the
original posting on Nuestro's Rancho's. It appears that we have common
ancestors,and I can now share the information on our family line.

A todos los que me han mostrado su interes en ayudar con la transcripcion de Testamentos y Documentos antiguos de Aguascalientes les aviso que ya lo pueden accesar.

La direccion es al siguiente:

http://www.romogutierrez.com/Transcripciones/

Suerte!

To all the members who have showed interest in this project, I'd like to let you know that the index of Testaments and other documents has been uploaded and is ready to start. the link is as follows:

http://www.romogutierrez.com/Transcripciones/

Good Luck!

> Hello Maria,
Do the two volumes that you have mention the Romero, de la Torre,
Pena, and Camarena families? Is the book written in Spanish only?
Can you tell me the names of the books and where I can obtain them
(if the names I am researching appear in them). I know I can muddle
through the Spanish if the families I am researching appear there.

Thank you for the information.

Linda Romero

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> Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 12:06:46 -0700
> From: mcortez
> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] General Digest, Vol 51, Issue 2
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> Hello Alice,
>
> I have a copy of the only two volumes that have been published to
> date--Volumes 1 and 2.
>
> The first volume covers the history and social study of the original
> Spanish settlers of Los Altos de Jalisco. The area is comprised of 26
> municipalities in the State of Jalisco. It contains a few pedigree
> tables
> and genealogical facts, but it is more of a narrative on the
> history and
> only mentions individuals in their historical context as needed.
>
> The second volume contains the genealogies of the first settlers.
> Each
> chapter begins with the first Spaniard to settle in the area and
> lists each
> generation descended from that first couple. Some families are
> traced all
> the way to the 1900's. The chapters are in alphabetical order, as
> John
> Schmal describes in his post, ending with Gomez de Mendoza. The third
> volume was to continue alphabetically beginning with Gomez de
> Portugal, but
> hasn't been published to date.
>
> If you are doing research in any of those municipalities in Jalisco, I
> highly recommend these books.
>
> Maria Cortez
> Sacramento, CA
>

In 1591, 400 families left Tlaxcala to colonize the northern lands of the Chichimecas. Some of them reached Zacatecas. I believe some of them went north to New Mexico with Juan de Onate in 1598. I'm trying to locate a list of the Tlaxcalans.
One of my ancestors, Juan de Leon Brito married Sebastiana Madrid in 1692 at Guadalupe del Paso. He returned to New Mexico following the Pueblo Revolt of 1680 to his ancestral lands in the Analco barrio of Santa Fe. He has been identified as a Tlaxcalan Indian.
Please help me locate any available lists of the 400 Tlaxcalan families.

Hello Alice,

I have a copy of the only two volumes that have been published to
date--Volumes 1 and 2.

The first volume covers the history and social study of the original
Spanish settlers of Los Altos de Jalisco. The area is comprised of 26
municipalities in the State of Jalisco. It contains a few pedigree tables
and genealogical facts, but it is more of a narrative on the history and
only mentions individuals in their historical context as needed.

The second volume contains the genealogies of the first settlers. Each
chapter begins with the first Spaniard to settle in the area and lists each
generation descended from that first couple. Some families are traced all
the way to the 1900's. The chapters are in alphabetical order, as John
Schmal describes in his post, ending with Gomez de Mendoza. The third
volume was to continue alphabetically beginning with Gomez de Portugal, but
hasn't been published to date.

If you are doing research in any of those municipalities in Jalisco, I
highly recommend these books.

Maria Cortez
Sacramento, CA

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> From: Alice Blake
> Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 14:03:16
> To:
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Retonos
>
> Hello Dear Group,
> Over the past couple of years?members have?citied and mentioned?"Retonos de
> Espana".? I'm not surprised there's?great interest in acquiring the books.?
> However, ?I've never really gotten a good idea?as to the contents and/or
> format of?the?books.??Could someone please give us novices a quick who,
> what, when, and where is covered within????Is it specificly revelant to all
> of us, or only a?subgroup?? Since attending a conference in CA is out?of the
> question, I'd like to know if this book could be a good resource.?????
> Thanks so much for your expertise,??? Alice BB????
>
>
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 15:26:27 -0400
> From: johnnypj@aol.com
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Retonos Contents (tomo II)
> Message-ID: <8CCA0B1860254C3-834-1815D@webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com>
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> In addition to having a couple dozen pedigree tables, TOMO II of Reto?os
> discusses:
> ?
> Aceves, Alba, Alcala y mendoza, Aldrete, Alvarez de Castillo, Alvarez -
> Tostado, Anava, Anda-Altamirano, Aranda, Ascencio de Leon, Azuela de San
> Pelayo, Camacho - Riquelme, Camarena, Casillas y Cabrera, Diaz del Castillo,
> Diaz - Varela, Diaz de Sandi, Escoto - Tovar, Fernandez de Palos, Fernandez
> de Rueda, Flores-Alatorre, Franco de la Cueva, France de Paredes, Gallegos,
> Garcia de Hemrosillo and Gomez de Espejo.?
> ?
> John Schmal
> ?
> ?
>
>
>
>

Friday, April 02, 2010, 1:26 PM
Joseph, thank you for helping me do my own genealogical research to find my relationship to my two great uncles: Generals Paulino Navarro Serrano, after whom the city of Autlán de la Grana was renamed Autlán de Navarro in 1939, and Marcelino García Barragán, Governor of Jalisco 1943-1947,  Secretary of Defense of Mexico, 1964-1968, when students were shot during demonstrations on the 2nd of October before the opening of the 1968 Olympics in Mexico City on October 12, 1968.
 
Ahnentafel, Generation No. 1
_____________________________________________________________
 
1 José Rafael Ramos, born February 24, 1935, 9:02 a.m. is the son of 2 José Ramos Flores and 3 Enedina Gómez Barragán in San Francisco, California. He married 4. Elsbeth Irene Foster April 18, 1963, in Berkeley, California, divorced April 18, 1983; in Monterey, California   He married 5 Yvonne June Lagrange [formerly Mrs. Roger Winton Poyner], May 22, 1983 [Religious ceremony], in San Juan Bautista, California, and June 15, 1983 [Church and Civil Ceremony], in Monterey, California.
            Children of José Rafael Ramos and Yvonne June Lagrange are:
                        Raquel Paloma Ramos, born February 7, 1985
                        Larkin Carmen Ramos, born September 4, 1986
            Children of Jose Rafael Ramos and Elsbeth Irene Foster are:
                        Sofía Magdalena Ramos, born July 21, 1965
                                   
_________________________________________________________________________
 
Ahnentafel, Generation No. 2
_________________________________________________________________________
 
2.  Jose Ramos Flores was born August 2, 1903, in Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Mexico, and died ­­­­­____ 1983 .He was the son of 6 Leonardo Ramos and 7 Leonor Flores  [Oficialia No. 01, Libro 84, Acta 00640, Fecha de Registro ,17/8/1903]
Jose Flores Ramos [José Flores Ramos on the Marriage Certificate] married Enedina Gómez, June 3, 1934 [Book 331 of Marriage Certificates, Page 558, Records of the City and County of San Francisco, State of California].
 
3. Enedina Gómez Barragán was born August 13, 1907 in Autlán de Navarro, Jalisco, [Oficialia No. 01, Libro 01, Acta 335, Folio 45427] [known as Autlán de la Grana at her birth, but renamed for her uncle, 8 General Paulino Navarro Serrano. “By decree number 4562, [of the Legislature of the State of Jalisco] published the 27 of July of 1939, the city of Autlán de la Grana would take the name of Autlán de Navarro in memory of General Navarro, native of Autlán de la Grana and teacher in this municipality, who died the 23 of December of 1923 in defense of the institutions of the Republic.”  He died attacking a machine gun nest.]
Enedina Gómez Barragán de Ramos  died  March 24, 1988, in Tijuana, Baja California, México.  She [as Enedina Gómez] married José Ramos Flores[José Flores Ramos on the Marriage Certificate] June 3, 1934 [Book 331 of Marriage Certificates, Page 558, Records of the City and County of San Francisco, State of California].
 
Children of José Ramos Flores [aka José Flores Ramos] and Enedina Gómez Barragán are:
1.      i.  José Rafael Ramos, born February 24, 1935 in San Francisco, California
ii. Gloria Diana Ramos, born June 13, 1936 in San Francisco, California
_________________________________________________________________________
Ahnentafel, Generation No. 3
­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­_________________________________________________________________________
 
6. Leonardo Ramos deHaro was born___ and died ___
7. Leonor Flores was born on ___ and died___
6. Children of  6 Leonardo Ramos and 7 Leonor Flores [10, I will augment this later after talking to my sister Gloria]
            i. Rafael
            ii. Leonor
iii. Manuela
            iv Socorro (Cuca)
                        v.
                        vi                    
                        vii.
                        viii
                        ix   José Ramos Flores, born March 24, 1903, died
                        x    María Ramos Flores

Hello Alice and Joseph. I'd like to take a minute and address your very honest question about the contents of the books by Mariano Gonzalez-Leal. Your question resonates with me because I too had the same curiosity but never bothered to ask, because when it comes to book: "Yeah, I want them even though I don't know what's inside, and I sometimes regret buying them." It's my secret addiction...

Considering that we are all at different levels of research and understanding about our genealogies, I think it's a good gesture for those who are more advanced in their studies to give more than a perfunctory answer to your question. That's what we're here for, right?

The series is a comprehensive study of the families who lived and settled the regions of Nueva Galicia. It's not specific only to Los Altos, as there are many families mentioned in the books who lived in Aguascalientes, Guadalajara, Zacatecas, etc. The first volume gives an overview of the geography, historical setting, and local culture. It has some (but not many) family trees, mostly from the 17th Century, so if you're hoping to make a connection - you should have traced some lines back at least that far.

The series is split alphabetically, and since I only have the first and second volumes, I can only attest to these two. Volume two has a total of 40 families/surnames histories (starts with ACEVES and ends with GOMEZ-HURTADO DE MENDOZA). I must admit that I found a couple of discrepancies - so a lesson learned is to always seek to double-check and confirm that the information is accurate, no matter who the author is. All and out: it is an invaluable source of information. I was able to make many discoveries that otherwise, I would not have made. The author has dedicated a lot of hard work to these books, and I can't wait to see the revised versions!

I hope this (long) description gives you a better picture.

-Claudia

Buscando mas informacion. Ramon y Juana (casados es 1877) tuvieron a Ma. Leonarda, Ma. Refugio, Luisa y Antonio. Refugio se caso con Tirso Duran y en San Jose del Conde en 1900 tuvieron a Gregoria Duran. Por favor de contactarse conmigo a almatcss@yahoo.com si es que tiene a estas personas en su arbol.

Looking more info. Ramon & Juana (married in 1877) had Ma. Leonarda, Ma. Refugio, Luisa, & Anronio. Refugio got married to Tirso Duran and in San Jose del Conde Zacatecas, in 1990 born their doughter Gregoria. Please reach me at almatcss@yahoo.com if you have these people in your family tree. TKS.

Hello -- I believe the following account refers to my great grandfather, Mariano Gutierrez, who was killed during the Cristero movement in San Miguel el Alto, Jal.

A las 11 de la mañana de este mismo día, salieron unos soldados a traer pastura al rancho Los Magueyes, a unos 3 Kms. al oriente de la población, donde encontraron al Sr. Mariano Gutiérrez, persona honrada y pacífica y sin motivo le dieron muerte, dejando huérfanos 13 hijos. [21 Nov 1927]

. . . naturally I went directly to the microfilms to view death records for this date. Unfortunately, on 22 Oct 1926, there is a page in the microfilmed book that I imagine explains why the records stopped at this point and did not commence until 1930. However, I am not able to interpret some of the words and some of the writing is not legible.

If there is an expert out in Nuestros Ranchos cyberspace who wants to take a shot at translating this document and/or providing any historical references, I would greatly appreciate it. I will send the scanned document to those that respond.

Also, for those interested in reading the diary (published in 1970 by an annonymous person), you can find it here:

http://www.sanjosedelosreynoso.net/Cristiada3.htm

Thank you, Roxanne Ocampo

Does anyone know how I can locate a certain church in Mexico? For example, I know that my grandmothers parents were married in San Juan de los Lagos, but I do not know what church. THe document says the priest is Don Urbano Barragan Velasco, a minister is also listed as Presbitero Francisco Esquivel and a "Father Priest" Senor Cura Pantaleon Fortolero. The priest who certifed the document in 1950 is named Estaban Sanchez V. I guess I may want to search the surnames of the priests to find family members who can tell me where this church is located. Any other suggestions?

I am seeking information about the above referenced persons. Patricio was born about 1855. He married 21 May 1881 in Ojo Caliente,Ojo Caliente, Zacatecas, Mexico. They had 5 children.

Thank you.

Paul Gomez
Rancho Cucamonga, CA

I am seeking information about the above referenced persons. Patricio was born about 1855. He married 21 May 1881 in Ojo Caliente,Ojo Caliente, Zacatecas, Mexico. They had 5 children.

Thank you.

Paul Gomez
Rancho Cucamonga, CA

Can anyone suggest a source for having a family tree done for display? My
brothers and I are organizing a 60th wedding anniversay party for our
parents in July and I want post one for each of them. I can search on the
internet, but thought some of you might have some suggestions from
experience. I'd appreciate any tips on this. Thanks.--Raquel

Alguien sabe sobre los padres de estos 2 personas, casaron aproximadamente 1780 en jalos o san miguel, agredeceria si alguien sabe algo de ellos mil gracias

Not sure if anyone has seen this web site.....It's pretty cool and it has interesting old articles. check it out.

http://www.agn.gob.mx/revolucion/documentos.html