Hola a todos los compañeros del foro me gustaria saber el nombre de los padres de estos dos ancestros mios, se casaron el 8 de mayo de 1741 en jalos, agradesco de antemano todo lo que se me pueda ayudar
Amanda, I tried emailing to your private email but couldn't get through. So I
hope this will do.
:) Esther
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Date: March 19, 2010 at 11:32 PM
Subject: Fwd: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Elizalde
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To: "amandamarycela@yahoo.com"
Date: March 19, 2010 at 11:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Elizalde
Amanda,
No tengo conexion con tu familia. Lo hize for ayudarte. Nunca he visitado
Zacatecas pues yo soy originaria de Jalisco. Vivo en San Diego, CA.
Joce Elisalde(tambien de nombre Jose Eduardo) y Petra Banuelos(tambien llamada
Petra Maria Banuelos)tuvieron los siguientes hijos: Todos son de San Pedro,
Guadalcazar, San Luis Potosi, Mexico.
1. Jose Tiburcio Elisalde Banuelos, n. 16 de Abril 1817;
2. Jose EstanislaoElisalde Banuelos, n. 9 Mayo 1819;
3. Maria Micaela Elisalde Banuelos, n. 24 Agosto 1820;
4. Maria ApolinariaElisalde Banuelos, n. 24 Julio 1822;
5. Jose Gregorio, n. 14 Mayo 1825;
6. Ma. Nicolasa Ana Elisalde Banuelos'
7. Maria Ramona EpitacioElisalde Banuelos, n. 25 Mayo 1829;
8. Ma. YsabelElisalde Banuelos, n. 11 Julio 1835
Jose Gregorio Elisalde Banuelos caso con Anacleta Salas 1847-48 en
Aguascalientes. (no busque esta informacion). Ellos tuvieron los siguientes
hijos:
1. Maria Merced Eduarda Elisalde Salas, b. 13 Octubre 1848, San Pedro
Guadalcazar, San Luis Potosi [C607522 (1845-1852), serial 03046,film 0709019]
2. Macedonia Elisalde Salas, b.(1849-1925)San Pedro Guadalcazar, San Luis
Potosi,[C607522 (1845-1852), film 0709019]caso conCarlos Buck en 1874 en
Aguascalientes(Carlos nacio 1837 y murio 22 Junio 1925);
Ellos tuvieron los siguientes hijos:
--Carlos Buck Elizalde (1866);
--Ana Buck (1875-1940);
--Josefa Luisa Buck (1878);
--Maria Aurora Barbara Buck (1882);
--Arturo Buck Elisalde (1884-1966)
3. Maria Juana Paula Cilveria Elisalde Salas, n. 26 Junio 1850, San Pedro
Guadalcazar, San Luis Potosi [C607522 (1845-1852), serial 04757,film 0709019]
Espero esto te ayude un poco.
--Esther Jordan Lopez, esther@enhanced.org
On March 19, 2010 at 6:22 PM amandamarycela@yahoo.com wrote:
> Efectivamente, ellos son mis ancestros....y si quisiera me enviaras esa
> información.No tengo de donde sacarla, pues no vivo en Zacatecas.Muchas
> gracias de antemano. Una pregunta.....tienes conexion con ellos????
>
> Saludos Amanda.
Do you know in what city the Plaza de Cruz Moya might have been in 1679 in Zacatecas? I need to find out which LDS microfilms to order to try to locate records for:
Jose de Leon Brito married to Ursula Duran
Ursula Duran, daughter of Juan Juarez & Polonia Duran
Sebastiana de Leon, daughter of Joseph de Leon and Ursula Duran
Elena (mulata esclava de Jose de Leon)
Ursula Duran died on or before 1679.
Inventario
3 May 1679, Zacatecas
Jose de Leon, vecino y mercader de menudencias otorga que habiendo otorgado la cantidad de 1,200 pesos en reales a sus nietos y a Ursula Duran su mujer difunta por los que el dicho recibio de su esposa como dote, y quieriendo contraer matrimonio por segunda ves hace relacion de sus bieness en 200 pesos en diversos generos de menudencias, una mulata esclava llamada Elena, 30 pesos en una cruz de oro, 12 pesos en un plato de plata, 1,000 en dos casas bajas que tiene en la plaza de Cruz Moya y otra en la plazuela del maestro del campo.
SOURCE: A.H.E.Z., Fondo: Notarias, Notario: Felipe de Espinosa, Caja: 3, Libro: 9, Año: 1679, no. 87
31 May 1679, Zacatecas
(incomplete) ... Jose de Leon, vecino y mercader de menudencias, declara que fue casado con Ursula Duran, hija legitima de Juan Juarez, difunto, y Polonia Duran, y al tiempo que contrajo matrimonio se le otorgo dote de 1,200 pesos, tratando de casarse nuevamente, su suegra Polonia Duran le ha pedido que otorgue recaudo de la herencia que su hija le dejo a los 4 hijos procreados durante el matrimonio.
SOURCE: A.H.E.Z., Fondo: Notarias, Notario: Felipe de Espinosa, Caja: 3, Libro: 9, Año: 1679, no. 89
Testamento de Sebastiana de Leon vecina de esta ciudad de Zacatecas hija lexitima de Joseph de Leon y de Ursula Duran difunta mis padres vecinos de esta ciudad como soi.
SOURCE: A.H.E.Z., Fondo: Notarias, Notario: Laguna, Jose de la - libro 8 – 1684, pg. 433v
I found the above information at the Beyond ONMF website, Volume 8.
http://pages.prodigy.net/bluemountain1/bonmf8.htm
Stanley A Lucero
Madera, California
Saludos A todos los miembros de nuestros Ranchos my name is Francisco Rubio.I want to thank Daniel Del Camino for giving me information with dates of birth of my Grandfather who was born in 1850 in Calvillo ,Aguascalientes . My Grandfather Juan Antonio Rubio maried Angela Flores from Calvillo also.I did not Know what dates or where they were born until Daniel sent me this info .I want to share a rare family story , my father Jesus Rubio son of Juan Antonio Rubio was born in 1890 in La ex-Hacienda de San Pedro in Huanusco,Zacatecas.You want to guess how old I am? Well my father married my Mother Amparo Rodriguez in 1966 He was 76 years old and my mom was in her early 30's ,they had In 1967 Jose de Jesus Rubio who died of one year of age,Jose De Jesus Rubio #2 in 1969 ,Myself Francisco Rubio in 1970,and Raymond Rubio in 1972 .They had migrated to the U.S. in 1969 to Texas My Father had just retired sort of ,after working for Singer/celebrity Antonio Aguilar From Zacatecas my father Jesus Rubio worked for Antonio A. training horses to the HighSchool/Alta escuela ,from 1958-1969.We wer deported to mexico in 1977 ,landed in Piedras Negras Coahuila .Once in Mexico we met My father's side of the family The Rubios from Coahuila all the way down to Zacatecas ,nd Aguascalientes Half brothers Juan A.Rubio,in his 40's ,sisters of ours Anna rubio,Maria rubio,in their 50's plus all our nephews Jesus Rubio ,Carlos Rubio,Juan Rubio,Jose "pepe" Rubio,Susana Rubio.There was so many places we got to know and so many people my father knew that we began to learn who he was and what he had done in Aguascalientes ,And in Zacatecas .Jesus Rubio Flores died in 1984 in Dallas ,Texas .We miss him so much ,my brothers and I are in our late 30's and we have begun to do more research on our ancestors the Rubios .Daniel Mendez Del Camino if you read this will you help me with any records and documents on Juan Antio Rubio and and to anyone that has information about Rubio From Calvillo,Aguascalientes related to Juan Antonio Rubio who was born in 1850,and for Rubios from Huanusco,Zacatecas.I know that my Father was Presidente Municipal of Tabasco ,Zacatecas 1938-1939,Ilooked in the Tabasco,Zacatecas municipality presidents and the list of municipal presidents start at 1944 How can I get a document stating ny father Jesus Rubio Flores as Municipal President of Tabasco,Zacatecas in 1938-39?Thank you
I agree that this was a great idea to pose our brick walls to those who attended the conference. As a member of the Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society, we have some of our brick walls posted on our website already.
Earlier this month, I attended the Conference, and have already benefited from this exercise. Another attendee, Jerry Munoz was able to help me with one of my brick walls. His assistance helped me greatly with my San Juan de los Lagos, Jal. del Portillo and Gallardo lines. I only hope that I can help the individual whose information I drew. I am working on it.
I look forward to attending the next conference in Southern California. I hope that Ranchos members from the south can make it happen.
Irma Gomez Gtz.
N. Calif.
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At the Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society conference held March 6, 2010, they had a "brick wall" demo family tree with paper cut-out leaves on it. The idea was that a member could write down on a paper leaf his/her "brick wall" in his own genealogy research and perhaps someone else would choose his/her leaf and help break through it. I think it's a great concept, except that it might've been better to let any and all choose the same leaf.
My question is this: since we already experience daily with questions from various members, why couldn't each of us create a file/folder listing our own "brick walls" in it? These files could stay permanent and updated as needed.
Perhaps other members could browse through these files and find one that they could tackle and help break through it? In addition to periodic inquiries of our members, this might prove to be a good challenge for our own genalogists that love mysteries?
Just a thought.
Joseph de Leon
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Ok I need to move on here. I need help finding a marriage records between
Refugio Cortez and Alejandra Hernandez. Refugio was born in 1886 in Jalisco Mexico so probably married between 1860 and 1870 in the area of Ojuelos De Jalisco Mexico....or...I need to find
"Antonio Cortez Hernandez" Birth or Christian records. Refugio Cortez and Alejandra Hernandez are Antonio's parents. Antonio had a sister named Martina Cortez Hernandez
Please help.
Antes de comenzar con el proyecto de trancripcion de los 760 Testamentos antiguos de Aguascalientes del cual les he venido hablando con anterioridad, quisiera que algunos de ustedes me dieran su opinion y ayuda para complementar la pagina donde van a ser "posteados" de modo que podamos tener en dichas paginas algunos recursos utiles para el trabajo que nos viene al caso.Ya sean diccionarios o libros, asi como ligas en linea donde podamos encontrar ayuda para transcribir de forma correcta las palabras mas usuales y las oraciones mas comunes que se pueden encontrar en dichos documentos, de este modo podamos avanzar mas rapido y eficazmente tanto los que tienen mas experiencia asi como los principiantes.
Cualquier sugerencia se les agradece.
Saludos!
Paco Romo
Before we start with the transcription project of 760 Testaments from Aguascalientes that I have been telling you guys about.
I'd like to add some helpful links to the page were the testaments will be posted.
I think it would be very useful to have some resources (whether they are on line or downloadable) on the page, so we can help ourselves with the work ahead, something like dictionaries, books and stuff that can help us translate accurately the unfamiliar words or the most typically-found sentences in such documents.
Any help would be very appreciated, I hope this project could really help some of you and the group in general
Regards
Paco Romo
CLAUDIA , QUE BUENO QUE HUBO ALGUIEN QUE SE PREOCUPARA POR LOS DOS IDIOMAS,
YO HABLO ESPANOL Y UN POCO DE INGLES PERO NO LO DOMINO MUCHO Y SIEMPRE QUE MIRO LOS E MAILS EN INGLES , EN OCASIONES LOS LEO PERO LA MAYORIA DEL TIEMPO LOS DESCARTO. ME GUSTA MUCHO TU IDEA Y GRACIAS POR PASARLA.
YO TENGO 46 ANOS Y VEO MUCHOS MENSAJES EN INGLES Y TAMBIEN PIENSO QUE DEBEN DE SER GENTE JOVEN TAL VEZ UNA SEGUNDA GENERACION AQUI EN ESTADOS UNIDOS. PERO TAMBIEN ME PREGUNTABA PORQUE SI SE ESTA BUSCANDO GENTE DE JALISCO , ZACATECAS Y NO RECUERDO QUE OTRO LUGAR TODOS LOS E MAILS VIENEN EN INGLES?
BUENO EN FIN CLAUDIA OTRA VEZ GRACIAS.
TAMBIEN TE QUIERO PREGUNTAR TUS ANTEPASADOS DE DONDE SON?
YO TENGO PARIENTES CON APELLIDO CASILLAS ELLOS SON DE TEPATITLAN JALISCO.
MARTHA GOMEZ
Hello group!!
My name is Martin Escatel and I have just recently acquired an interest in my family genealogy. I am looking for information, primarily on the family name Escatel and all secondary last names as listed. My family is primarily from Chimaltitan, Jalisco but I am aware that the family has also lived in surrounding pueblos. I am very interested in learning research techniques that will assist me in uncovering my roots. I would appreciate any assistance and guidance.
I would also like to mention a couple of highlights. I came across a record in Familysearch.org for a Louise Francoise L'Escatel born in Paris, Seine, France in 1802. (Batch C034227). There is some indication that the family name originated from France but this is the only concrete lead so far. Any suggestions to continue exploring this lead would be appreciated. Additionally, I wanted to advise that I started a Facebook family group page. So far, I have encountered 58 members that share the last name or a variation of the last name and have an interest in exploring the family lines. Unfortunately, I have not been able to tie the members to a common ancestor as it appears that we have 3-4 different family lines.
Brief summary:
Firm: Paternal Grandparents: Jose de Jesus Escatel Ramirez (b.1888) and Carlota Ramirez Rodriquez
Firm: Paternal Great-Grandparents: Felix (or Feliz) Escatel and Veneranda (or Beneranda) Ramirez (Batch: M019878)
Need to confirm: Paternal Great-Great-Grandparents: Roque Escatel and Maria Silbestra Munos (Batch: M646268)
Need to confirm: Paternal Great-Great-Great-Grandparents: Jose Maria Escatel and Marcela Losano
Surnames: Escatel or Escatell or any French variations such as L'Escatel; Ramirez, Rodriquez, Castellaño, Munos, Losano
Jalisco: Chimaltitan, Bolaños,Villaguerrero,Temastian,Totatiche, Atolinga
Ranchos: San Francisco, El Espejo, Borrotes, Cocuasco Viejo, El Chiqueguite, La laguna, San Juan de Potreros, La Ventilla, La Venta, La Cienega, Cerritos, Santa Rita, El Aguasarca.
I am very excited to be part of this group.
Thank you for your time.
Best regards,
Martin Escatel
Hi everyone. I am stuck with these ancestors and wondering if any members have the same individuals listed in their databases. I suspect the Rodriguez's are Rodriguez de Frias, but have no docs to confirm.
MALE TWINS, baptized on 25 Sep 1747, in Nochistlan.
[Parents were ANTONIO RODRIGUEZ & MANUELA ARAMBURU]:
Nicolas Antonio Rodriguez
Nicolas Geronimo Rodriguez
Nicolas Antonio Rodriguez married Candida Eucebia Palafox in Nochistlan on 28 Jan 1761.
Can anyone confirm these were "de Frias'?
Does anyone know who the parents of Candida Palafox were?
I admit, I haven't seen the record yet, as I do not have access to Nochistlan microfilms.
Thanks!
"One My uncles has a circulatory problem that has a much higher incident rate in the jewish population. my in laws are from san miguel el alto and they have a skin disorder by they I mean my mother in law sister in law some of my wifes cousins and her brother get these skin discolorations, small blotches. This is predominantly a jewish genetic disorder. There are other stories in los altos that point to a jewish influence in certain families. The lomeli romo perez and franco.
"
Hi Ricii
These are also present in mediterranean people in certain populations over all, mostly from the neolithic migrations across the planet, before any of the present religions were present. It would be logical to conclude that are mediterranean ancestors were part of the Roman empire.
Here's a great study done in 2001. The percentages per capita per geographic locations reveals that their are more non jews overall with the same dna y haplogroups than jews, specifically J1, J2. Significantly higher, we are talking about in the millions and millions.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=MImg&_imagekey=B8JDD-4R29JBW-M…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_J_(Y-DNA)#J2
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Hay alguien que tiene mas informacion sobre la familia Delgado do Rio Bravo, Zacatecas?
Esto es lo que tengo:
1) Julio Delgado (n. c. 1870) caso con Ger?nima L?pez
-----2) Perfecto Delgado (n. 6 May 1894 Rio Grande, Zacatecas) caso con Lina Medina
----------3) Antonio Delgado (n. 2 Sep 1905 Rio Grande, Zacatecas m. Jan 1978) caso con Natividad de la Fuente
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Hi,
I recently took part in a survey about how DNA genealogy research has
affected me. They are particularly interest in people with different
ethnic influences in their background. I thought my friends on
Nuestros Ranchos may be interested in participating so I am
forwarding the request to the list.
Linda Romero
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Hello,
My name is Biorn Ivemark, and I'm a Research Assistant to Professor
Wendy Roth in the Department of Sociology at the University of British
Columbia. Dr. Roth is doing a research study on the social impacts of
DNA Ancestry Testing -- especially whether it has any effect on
identities and attitudes. I recently interviewed someone you know for
this study and they thought you might be willing to participate in an
interview as well.
We're looking to talk to people with a wide range of experiences of
DNA Ancestry Testing, so we'd be very interested in learning about your
experiences regardless of whether the test results had much influence on
you or not.
If you would be willing to help with this project, would you please fill
out a quick online survey at:
http://faculty.arts.ubc.ca/wroth/SurveyIntro.html
It should only take you about 10-15 minutes. It focuses on why you chose
to take the test, your background, your experience with genetic
genealogy testing, and how the results may have affected you.
At the end, it will ask you if you would be interested in being
contacted for a follow-up interview as well. These interviews are done
over the phone, and people who participate in them will be offered $40
to thank them for their time. But regardless of whether you are
interested in the follow-up interview, I hope you will complete the
quick online survey.
If you have any questions about this project, feel free to contact me at
bivemark@interchange.ubc.ca or (778) 848-4945, or contact Dr. Roth at
wroth@interchange.ubc.ca or (604) 822-4845.
Thanks very much for your consideration, and I hope to hear from you
soon!
Kind regards,
Biorn
Pienso que muchas personas no están participando en este foro por falta del entendimiento del idioma ingles o español (castellano). Es decir, no se les facilita leer y escribir en ingles o viceversa en español. Muchos de los mensajes, (la mayoría) están escritos solo en ingles y no en español. Yo creo que es un poco desmoralizante no poder participar en el foro y ver a cada rato temas escritos en un idioma foráneo. Quizás por eso a no hay tanta participación como pudiera haber. Pero de mayor preocupación es la información que alguien puede tener que no habla el idioma en que se pone la información en el foro. Si uno nada mas pone sus preguntas ó sugerencias en un solo idioma se limita en la ayuda que puede brindar o recibir en este foro. Mi sugerencia, y me imagino que es la de muchos, es que se trate de poner la información en ambos idiomas para que pueda haber mayor participación y ayuda entre los miembros. ¿Que piensan acerca de esta sugerencia?
I think that many people not are participating in this forum for lack of understanding of the English or Spanish (Castilian) language. In other words, is not easy for them to read and write in English or vice versa in Spanish. Many of the messages, (most) are written only in English and not in Spanish. I think that it is a bit demoralizing to not be able to participate in the Forum and see subjects written in a foreign language all the time. Maybe that is why there is not as much participation as there could be. Of greater concern is the information that someone may have that does not speak the language in which the information is being placed in the Forum. If one only puts their questions or suggestions in a single language it limits the help or assistance they can give or receive in this forum. My suggestion, and I imagine is that of many, is to try to put the information in both languages so there can be greater participation and assistance amongst the members. What do you think about this suggestion?
Would the term “Jornalero,” referenced in civil records from San Miguel el Alto, Jalisco during the late 1800’s, have the same translation today? I’ve heard several translations of this term including “day laborer,”and “agricultural worker.” Since the concept of a “day laborer” would not have existed during that time period, does anyone have a historically correct definition?
Gracias, Roxanne Ocampo
Is the program available in Espanol or what program is being used ?
Does anyone know how to access baptismal records between 1730 and 1745 for
Nochistlan? #0226649 is suppose to have 1730 to 1750 but it only has
1745-1750 (correctly reflected in batch #.
I am looking for descendents of Geronimo de Jaureui and Josefa Ximenes, who
married 4 Jun 1732. I have located 2 descendents Antonia Filomela , bap 27
Jul 1746, and Juaquin Leonardo, bap 3 Dec 1750, in Nochistlan. There are at
least 2 more, Juana Maria and Maria Teresa (my 5ggm).
*Alguien sabe como localizar la informacion de bautismos para 1730 a 1745
para Nochistlan? El #0226649 esta supuesto de tener 1730 a 1750, pero no
mas tiene 1745-1750 (esta correcto en la informacion the batch#). *
**
*Busco los hijos de Geronimo de Jauregui y Josefa Ximenes, casados 4 jun
1732 en Nochistlan. He encontrado 2 hijos, Antonia Filomela, baut. 27 jul
1744, y Juaquin Leonardo baut. 3 dec 1750, en Nochistlan. Hay a lo menos
dos mas, Juana Maria y Maria Teresa (mi 5ggm). (Haga el favor de perdonar
mis errores en espanol). *
I am asking for researchers opinions and supporting records for the paths of Sernas Origin in these areas.
The lines I have in my database of 3000 people, from 1790 to 1900 which is 95% + only from the Calvillo, Ags. church records.
The Sernas of My Direct lines early records came from Agostadero and Arroyo de Soto Settling in Media Luna. Some settled in La Presa. I have seen some documents indicating some movement between Teocaltiche, Jal. & Villa Hidalgo, Jal. which is another area of concentrated Serna Families.
I have almost no evidence of Origin refering to Ags.,Ags. but I have never reviewed the Aguascalientes records. While Ags. became a direction of settlement. In my case the earliest data seems to be in the "Black Hole" records of Tabasco, Zac. Huanusco,Zac. Jalpa, Zacatecas. I have been unable to decide what direction to continue research when future records become available. Notchistlan,Jal. ? Villa Hidalgo, Jal. Tepatitlan, Jal. Or Tabasco & Huanusco, Zac.
If John Schmale, Daniel Menedez C. , Rose Hardy or anyone else has contibutions I would be happy to hear it.
Estoy pidiendo opiniones de los investigadores y expedientes favorables para las trayectorias del origen de Los Sernas en estas áreas.
Las líneas que tengo en mi base de datos de 3000 personas, a partir la 1790 a 1900 que es el 95% + solamente del Calvillo, Ags. expedientes de la iglesia.
Los Sernas de mis líneas directas expedientes vino temprano de Agostadero y de Arroyo de Soto Settling en los medios Luna. Algunos colocaron en el La Presa. He visto algunos documentos el indicar de un cierto movimiento entre Teocaltiche, Jal. & Hidalgo del chalet, Jal. cuál es otra área de las familias concentradas de Serna.
Tengo poca evidencia de la referencia temprana al Ags., Ags. en mi caso los datos más tempranos parecen estar en el " Hole" negro; expedientes de Tabasco, Zac. Huanusco, Zac. Jalpa, Zacatecas. He no podido decidir qué dirección para continuar la investigación cuando los expedientes futuros están disponibles. Notchistlan, Jal. ¿? Hidalgo del chalet, Jal. Tepatitlan, Jal. O & de Tabasco; Huanusco, Zac
Si Juan Schmale, Daniel Menedez C., Rose Hardy o cualquier persona otra tiene contibutions, me alegaria de oírlo.
I was able to get a copy of my maternal grandfather's
(Telesforo Valades Cruz) baptismal certificate. He was born Jan. 5, 1866 and baptized at El Senor Del Encino Parish on the same day. The certificate gives the names of his parents: Guillermo Valades and Maria Del Refugio Cruz. It also gives the names of his paternal and maternal grandparents. His paternal grandparents were Manuel Valades and Ciriaca Marchan. His maternal grandparents were Macsimo Cruz and Maria Gertrudis Segovia. I wanted to pass on this information in case anyone else was doing any research on these names.
Maria
Can anyone tell me the batch numbers baptisms for Cuquio for 1813 onwards? Thanks! In case anyone needs them, the ones from 1747 to 1813 run in sequence from c602704-c602709, ie -4(1747-58), -5(1758-72), -6(1789-96), -7(1797-1801), -8(1801-1809), -9(1809-1813).
Hi,
I am researching the Guerrero surname, particularly that of my maternal grandfather, Nicolas Valdez Guerrero.
He was born 26 January 1898 in Yahualica, Jalisco Mexico. His family lived in Guadalajara when my grandmother married him in 1917 in Superior, Arizona.
He worked for Magma Copper Co. until his death in 1953. He is buried in Superior, Arizona.
I want to find information on his family, Parents & Siblings. I know that his father was named Jesus Guerrero.
I have searched records provided by Family Search & the Family History Center located in Tucson, Az but I have not been able to find any information so far.
I know he had a brother who was a priest, I just don't have a name.
Any help would be appreciated. Thank you.
Barbara Guerrero
I would like for you all to take ALL discussions that center around Race
or Ethnicity to the general list: general@nuestrosranchos.org
I would prefer that many of these topics be quickly taken to private email.
Quisiera que TODAS las discusiones que se centran alrededor de la raza o
de la pertenencia étnica a la lista general: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Preferiría que muchos de estos asuntos estén llevados rápidamente el
email privado.
joseph
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Genealogy)
I am looking for any History on Antonia Ruis Spouse of Florencio Serna
Or any info that could help me break through this point.
The Genealogy is as Follows
Descendants of Florencio Serna
Generation No. 1
1. FLORENCIO1 SERNA He married ANTONIA RUIS.
Child of FLORENCIO SERNA and ANTONIA RUIS is:
2. i. GABRIEL2 SERNA, d. Bet. 1832 - 1853.
Generation No. 2
2. GABRIEL2 SERNA (FLORENCIO1) died Bet. 1832 - 1853. He married CATARINA FRAUSTO, daughter of LARA. She died Bet. 1832 - 1853.
Children of GABRIEL SERNA and CATARINA FRAUSTO are:
3. i. NARCISO3 SERNA, b. Abt. 1800; d. Abt. 1867.
ii. NORBERTO SERNA, b. Abt. 1805, R. de los Sernas, Jalpa, Zac.; d. 09 Mar 1868, Arroyo de Soto, Calvillo, Ags.; m. RAMONA CERVANTES, 25 Feb 1834, San Jose, Calvillo, Ags.; b. Abt. 1808.
More About NORBERTO SERNA:
Confirmation: San Jose, Calvillo, Ags.
4. iii. GUADALUPE (FRAUSTO) SERNA, b. Abt. 1806.
5. iv. MACEDONIO SERNA, b. Abt. 14 Sep 1814, Santa Maria Mecatabasco, Villa Del Refugio, Zacatecas.
6. v. YDELFONSO SERNA, b. Abt. 1820.
Dear Group,
This research done on my maternal grandmother, Agustina Santelices, was done through FHC microfilms and their online resources. I've never found a connection with
anyone in the group, but I remind myself that we hear from only a small portion of our approximate 400 members. Being a novice, and not as knowledgable as our active members,
I'm hoping that some of the following names will make a connection. Any help or advice,
is very welcome.
My maternal grandmother Agustina Santelices was married to Luis Onate.
I've been unable to find any information on either their marriage or the Onates. None of my
known family members are interested in genealogy, so like many of you, I've
had to do this on my own.
Agustina Santelices born 05/25/1886 Vetagrande, Zacatecas daughter of:
f. Francisco Santelices m. Maria Valderrama married 04/20/1882 Panuco, Zac
Paternal Side:
Francisco Santelices b. ? Can't find this info
f. Jose Maria Santelices b. 09/18/1801 Queretero, Queretero
gf. Juan Fermin N Santelices b. date unknown, Santander, Castilla, Spain
gm. Maria Luisa Sepulbeda b. date unknown, San Juan Del Rio (all it said. Queretero?)
ggf. Tomas de Santelises b. nothing known, but probably Spain
ggm. Antonia Ybanes b. nothing known, probably Spain
ggf. Jose Gregorio Zepulbeda b. nothing known
ggm. Maria Manuela Morales b. nothing known
Jose Ma Santelices and Ma Agustina Rubio married 04/12/1823 Santiago, Queretero
Ma Luiza Sepulbeda and Juan Fermin Santelises married 02/27/1793 Queretaro, Que
Francisco Santelices b. ?
m. Maria Agustina Rubio b. 05/05/1806 Tequisquiapan, Queretero
gf. Domingo Antonio Rubio b. 04/08/1765 Huichapan, Hidalgo, Mexico
gm. Juana Lizundia b. ?
ggf Domingo Rubio b. ?
ggm Petra de Anaya Villagran b. ?
Maternal Side of Agustina Santelices:
m. Maria Valderrama b. ?
g f. Manuel Valderrama b. ?
gm. Maria Amada Diaz b. ?
ggf. Jose Camilo Balderrama b. 07/14/1779 Asientos de Ibarra, Aguascalientes
ggm Rafaela Valdez b. ?
gggf. Juan Manuel Balderrama b. ?
gggm. Maria Nicolasa Calderon b.?
ggf. Pilar Diaz b. ?
ggm. Juana Lozano b. ?
Thank you so much for your consideration and I hope to hear from you soon. Alice
For John P. Schmal:
re: "Lucretia Calvillo"
John, the only Lucretia I have come across near your time line 1750-1805 is:
Petra Lucrecia CALBILLO Luna,
bap 30 Nov 1744, Ags, Sag, Bau 1742-1743, Image 247
hija leg de Cayetano CALVILLO
y Maria de los Santos, yndios
Casada con Joseph Antonio GOMES, mulato
hijo natural de Ysabel GARSIA
12 May 1759, El Sag, Ags Mat 1758-1769, Image 56
Here Petra Lucrecia is listed as mestiza.
I don't know of any children, and have done no research on them
Her parents: Cayetano CALBILLO Torres, mulato
born c. 1708, Puesto de las Burras, Guanajuato
hl de Nicolas CALBILLO y Petra TORRES
and
Juana Maria de los Santos LUNA, coyota
born c. 1728, Puesto de San Joseph de los Dolores en la nueba españa, obispado de Mechoacan;
hl de Agustin LUNA y Pasquala Hilaria DE LA CRUZ
their MARR INFO: Ags, Sag Info Mat 1743, Image 313-315
Cayetano was 35, and Juana Maria was 15
One of the witnesses to the MARR INFO was Don Santiago NIETO, esp, 36, who states that Cayetano has worked for him for more than 10 years, and previously was in the service of his father Don Manuel NIETO,and that Juana Maria worked in the household of Don Santiago's father-in-law Don Francisco de SANTA CRUZ.
The suegro Don Francisco de SANTA CRUZ also appears as a witness to state that he has known the pretenso for more than 14 years, in Guanajuato and in Ags.
Hope this is of some help.
Gloria Delgado
Dear Alice,
I tried and located the following information. I hope it helps you.
Maria Luisa Sepulbeda married Juan Fermin Sante Elises 27 Feb 1793 Nuestra Señora De Los Dolores, Dolores Hidalgo, Guanajuato, Mexico film #0710685, M607828 (1787-1825.
David in Albany, CA
David P. Delgado