General Digest, Vol 31, Issue 2

Hi Sofia,

Funny you should ask about visiting the graveyards in Los Altos. Some years
back I asked my Dad to take me to the cemetery and he looked at me as if I
had taken leave of my senses. He asked me why I would want to go there and
I explained that I hoped to read inscriptions on the tombstones and gather
genealogical facts that way. He said there were few tombstones and mostly
crosses. After that bit of disappointing news I did not go.

I know that in earlier times the more affluent would be buried inside or as
close to the chapels as possible. I don't know when this practice ended,
but I would guess it would be sometime between the Independence from Spain
and the Mexican Revolution. Maybe someone else can shed some light on this.

Maria

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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 08:40:23 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Sofia
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Question/Pregunta
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> I have a question............Has anyone gone to the graveyards of
> Jalostotitlan, Lagos, Teocaltiche etc., to take photos of the graves and get
> the info from the tombstones?
>
> Sofia
>
>
> Hola a Todos,
>
> Tengo una pregunta.........?Habido algien que ha tomado fotos de las
> lapidas de los cementerios de Jalostotitlan, Lagos, Teocaltiche etc, para
> conseguir informacion por ahi?
>
>
> Sofia
>
>

Geneology file: Reynoso-Renteria (+Haro, Rodrigues, Corona...) - Moyahua, ZAC.

Hi everyone. I posted my geneology file; it contains seven generations from ZACATECAS: mostly from Moyahua & Contitlan, but also some Jalisco (Altos) scattered about.

[You can find it if you click on my memberID, then on the "TRACK" tab.]

Names contained: REYNOSO, RENTERIA, HARO, RODRIGUES, CORONA (need help here), and CARRILLO

I've been working primarily on my REYNOSO-RENTERIA branch, but will embark on the GONZALEZ-GAMES-GALLEGOS portion next. As I understand it, these ancestors stem from Los Altos and Guadalajara, Jalisco...

Feel free to contact me with questions, or comments: claudiacasillas(at)gmail(dot)com

hasta pronto

for Irene Sweet (confirmed Prima)

Irene (prima):
I looked at our lineages carefully and this is how you and I are related:

My 3rd great-grandfather, JOSE ANICETO REYNOSO, was the brother of your 2nd great-grandfather, JOSE GREGORIO REYNOSO. Their parents were TORIBIO REYNOSO and MARIA NORBERTA ROMERO.

Can you help me decipher the Reynoso-Renteria name swap? I am still struggling with this. A few Reynosos are recorded are Renterias in official records.

What do you know?

solicitud de informacion

Hello all,

I need help with this record.  Do any of you have the film or the book
where you can look?  I would love any more info you can find... Thanks!
**************************
Hola a todos,

Necesito ayuda con este matrimonio.  Alguno de ustedes tiene el archivo
o el libro que pueda investigar?  Me encantaria saber mas acerca de los
padres.  Gracias!

Encarnacion Gomez Aceves
Josefina Alcala de la Torre
Tepatitlan o Pegueros, Jalisco, Mexico
 1890-1895
Papa de Encarnacion: Nemesio Gomez
Mama de Encarnacion: Ma. Santos Aceves
Papa de Josefina: Santos Alcala
Mama de Josefina: Avelina de la Torre
 
Gracias
 
Jorge A. Michel Gómez

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Question/Pregunta

Hello Everyone,

I have a question............Has anyone gone to the graveyards of Jalostotitlan, Lagos, Teocaltiche etc., to take photos of the graves and get the info from the tombstones?

Sofia

Hola a Todos,

Tengo una pregunta.........¿Habido algien que ha tomado fotos de las lapidas de los cementerios de Jalostotitlan, Lagos, Teocaltiche etc, para conseguir informacion por ahi?

Sofia

Miggy Gutierrez-Munoz de La Barba

Hola Miggy ,I looking at my family chart and noticed Ana
Munoz de La Barba(married to Francisco Padilla Davila) whose parents were Jose Munoz de La Barba and Catarina Gonzalez de Hermosillo.Catarina 's Parents Diego Alonso Ramirez de Hermosillo and Luisa Munoz de Nava. Point being that I believe that Ana Munoz de La Barba and Catalina de La Barba are sisters . Similarities Jose de La barba -Jose Munoz de LaBarba :
Catalina Nava Munoz-Catalina Gonzalez de Hermosillo-whose mother was Luisa Munoz de Nava.
Que opinas Miggy
Ronnie
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Attention -Miggy Gutierrez-Los Romos

Hola Miggy,did you ever find out who the Parents of Jose Romo de Vivar who married Maria Jimenez de Hermosillo.I couldn't find any on a Juan Jose Romo de Vivar who married a Maria Gertrudis Gonzalez.I do have a little info on Baltazar Romo de Vivar and Catalina de la Barba(Ihave parents of her being a Jose de la Barba and a Catalina de Nava Munoz). I believe that her father's name should read Jose Munoz de la Barba and her Mother Munoz de Nava,but couldn't find anything under the IGI.
Tu Primo
Ronnie pariente acasi todos de Los Altos

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Quezada, enigma to me

What is worth to navigate?
About two days ago I got curious about Daniel Mendez family tree and thought maybe he has it in rootsweb site, I tried some surnames and voila! found out we descend from Juan De Leon and María De Escapa, difference is his Juan has "Quezada" surname and the Coss Y Leon, mine is only De Leon, we already communicate about this.
That was so worthy!
I got an answer about Jose De Leon, I didn´t know if he was born in America or in Spain, he was the unknown link between Europe and America, and Daniel´s tree have him being born in America, in Silao, Guanajuato.
By navigate I mean that from time to time I like to just go here and there trough the internet galaxy, and some times I discover treasures like that link and the new enigma on the "Quezada" surname.
Yes, it is worth to navigate.
Greetings to all from Leticia Leon

3er Tomo

Bill Figueroa and Daniel:

I am presently in Teocaltiche, waiting for the conference which will be taking place this coming Saturday. Dr. Mariano Gonzalez Leal has not arrived yet and is not expected until then. I am sorry I don´t have any information to report yet. I should be back home in California by the 9th of August.

John Gonzalez

Mariano Gonzalez Leal is suppose to attend it. Unfortunately, Mr. Gonzalez
has not been very forthcoming with the information. - Bill

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Hi, I was wondering if you know when the 3rd Tomo for Retoños de España will
come out? I am about to purchase the first too within the coming week. Thank
You. -Daniel

Valle de Guadalupe Meeting

For those members of the group that will be going to the meeting in
Valle de Guadalupe this weekend a new member of the group Carlos
Yturralde would like info about this meeting. Can you email him directly
and fill him in on the details so he can attend?

here is his email: cyturralde@cox.net

joseph

====================

Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

Petra Guadalupe De Leon Aguirre

There is more info about her ancestors in my gedcom in this site.
I also am expecting for Lic Mariano Gonzalez-Leal next edition of Retonos...to know more about this line that took the apellido compuesto Cos Y Leon or Coss Y Leon, nowdays this decendancy in U. S. A. turn it into Cossyleon.

Thank you Patricia, I didn´t know about her second marriage.
Indeed I have now more to work on.

Gomez Hurtado de Mendoza or Gomez de Portugal

Hello Sandra,
My family comes from Jalostotitlan, and I'm curious if your
Gomez are Gomez Hurtado de Mendoza or Gomez de Portugal. I've been
researching my paternal Gomez line, and it is Gomez Hurtado de Mendoza.
If it's the same, then maybe we can compare lines and see where your
Francisco Gomez might tie in. Also do you have a Rancho for your Gomez?
This might help with the mystery...
Thanks,
Irma Gomez Gtz
Northern California

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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:12:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: sandragomezmendoza
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Juan Gomez/Maria de Jesus Carrillo
marriage in Jalos
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Hello all,

I need help with this record. Do any of you have the film or the book
where you can look? I would love any more info you can find... Thanks!
**************************
Hola a todos,

Necesito ayuda con este matrimonio. Alguno de ustedes tiene el archivo
o el libro que pueda investigar? Me encantaria saber mas acerca de los
padres. Gracias!

Juan Gomez
Maria De Jesus Carrillo
Nuestra Se?ora De La Asunci?n, Jalostotitl?n, Jalisco, Mexico
27 Jan 1809
Papa de Juan: Francisco Gomez
Mama de Juan: Quiteria Agredano
Papa de Maria: Francisco Carrillo
Mama de Maria: Maria Ximenez
UDE batch number: M60322-9
Film number: 279300

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Research in San Luis Potosi

Greetings to all. I am learning quite a bit from these postings…general information such as the whys of dispensas and social classifications. Thanks to everyone.

My main area of research is Zacatecas, however, is there anyone doing research in San Luis Potosi who can offer suggestions. Names: Alvarado, Galvan, Rodriguez, Soto, Garcia, Ybarra, Lozano, Mireles. My trail ends with Calistro Alvarado born abt 1763, married to Geronima Mireles .

Places: Matehuala, La Morita or La Mesita, Piotillo, Rancho de la Viuda, Encarnacion. And for Lozano, I have a mention of place of birth as Boca de Caballeros (city of San Luis Potosi) a place I cannot identify.
Any suggestions, leads, or direction as to where I can research will be greatly appreciated.

Any comments on the Alvarados, where they originated, who came and when, etc.

Thanks - Anita

Moyahua Archives

Wow... these seem to be an inventory of some sort, no?  If only we knew where these were.
It is very unusual to find information on Juchipila and Moyahua for 1700-1800... at least I've had a very hard time.
Thanks!

Juan Gomez/Maria de Jesus Carrillo marriage in Jalos

Hello all,

I need help with this record. Do any of you have the film or the book where you can look? I would love any more info you can find... Thanks!
**************************
Hola a todos,

Necesito ayuda con este matrimonio. Alguno de ustedes tiene el archivo o el libro que pueda investigar? Me encantaria saber mas acerca de los padres. Gracias!

Juan Gomez
Maria De Jesus Carrillo
Nuestra Señora De La Asunción, Jalostotitlán, Jalisco, Mexico
27 Jan 1809
Papa de Juan: Francisco Gomez
Mama de Juan: Quiteria Agredano
Papa de Maria: Francisco Carrillo
Mama de Maria: Maria Ximenez
UDE batch number: M60322-9
Film number: 279300

Rio Grande, Zacatecas

Hi Everyone,

I've been a member of Nuestros Ranchos for some months now & enjoy reading all the tips & tricks & new ideas I see here.  (Due to school responsibilities, I have no had much time for research.) But none of them have enabled me to find out more about my paternal gg grandparents, D. Simon & Da. Micaela Torres (de) Quinteros.  So now I'm asking for your help.  Simon was born in Mexico in 1852.  His father may be Mario/Mariano Quinteros-not sure on the mother who may or may not be a Rosales.  Simon married Micaela Torres who was born in Mexico in 1849.  She was the daughter of Rafael Torres-again not sure about the mother.  They were married in the chapel of Hacienda del Fuerte by a priest of  the parish in Sta. Elena  in Rio Grande, Zacatecas, Mexico on 24 June 1874.  They had atleast two sons, Simon who I know nothing about, & Rafael who was born in Rio Grande in 1878 & later became my g grandfather.  Rafael Quinteros md Domitila Mendez who I
was told was born in Fresnillo in 1882-3 & was the daughter of Andres Mendez & Dionisia Arellano who I now believe may actually be an Alvarado & from Jerez instead.  Rafael & Domitila moved their family to TX in 1922 & their youngest son was my grandfather.  Unfortunately, our family is not close, many of the old are dying off & during the course of researching my father's line, I have found lots of misinformation that is supposed to be family "gospel". 

I need help locating/tracing further back Simon, Domitila's & Micaela's families.  My father said he believed the Quinteros family (who may or may not have an s on the end of the surname the further back you go) may have had some connections in Saltillo, NL.  The only reference I am able to find of Simon & Micaela is their marriage record (source ref M604910 LDS Films from Salt Lake FHL) which was nearly impossible for me to decipher with any accuracy. (water damage?, terrible handwriting)  I had been told our family on the paternal side was of  Aztec/Spanish origins but until I found the marriage record, I was unaware that we were also landowners.  The parish they married in is still in existence & I understand the hacienda del fuerte is also still around, albeit in ruins.  I've tried contacting the priests in that area with no response from them-maybe because of the recent papal ban on release of records due to actions of the LDS church in
baptizing deceased members of the catholic faith. 

Maybe some of you who have access to this record may have better luck finding something I overlooked.  I am somewhat bilingual but not to any great extent other than enough conversational spanish to get by with & I do not have much experience in researching Mexican ancestry.  It's one thing trying to decipher poor handwriting in English, but poorly written Spanish when you're not much of a native Spanish speaker is another.  I could make out the words viuda (is this referring to a previous marriage of the bride?) & the word for god parents & parents but could not decipher the names.  Can anyone out there help me?

Thanks in advance for all/any help you can give me!

Julia D. Quinteros de Hernandez
Dallas, TX

Joseph Manuel Dias - Married in 1752 - Tepatitlan De Morelos

Hello all, I am currently awaiting some film from the Family History Center regarding the marriage of a Joseph Manuel Dias to a Maria Anna Peres in Tepatitlan De Morelos, Jalisco, Mexico. I have been able to determine that they were both married on June 25, 1752 (Batch #M603726, Source Call #0218517) I'm hoping the actual film will show who the parents are. While I'm waiting for the film, I thought I would just throw this event out there to see if anyone just happens to have any information on the parents of Joseph Manuel Dias and/or Maria Anna Peres. I'm assuming their DOB's will be sometime around 1730. Any help would be appreciated.

Daniel's reply

Dear Patricia,

Ascención de León Family
Thanks for your help! You've helped alot with my
genealogy! One little branch can spark new flames!
(Tello de Orozco) Regarding towards the Liebanos it
seems all the kids took on the mother's last name,
except their first son who was named after his father
another Juan, the last name is actually Ascención de
León (I couldnt find my link to the liebano, it was a
night mare! I had no idea my Gerónima liebano was
daughter of a León on family search i would always
search as the father Liebano! Never got results! Do
you have any more info on that family (Asensión de
León?) I stop at Juan ca. 1625. Now i descend 3 times
from him.

Velázquez de Lara
I found Francisco's marriage in Guadalajara to María
Rojas; need to order that.

I guess your hisband and I are related through the
Orozcos!

I was also wondering what else do you have on the
Gómez de Espejo, I always heard of
them but didnt know I descend from them till now!

The Spaniards drive me crazy! Our ancestors used like
10 names to refer to them selves and it is the same
person! Who knew Antonia Martín, Antonia del Campo,
Antonia López and Antonia de la Cruz could be the same
person! My family kinds still does that but not too
much in the US just in México, My grandfather used
Antonio López when marriage, Antonio del Camino when
baptised, Antonio López de Elisalde in the US he being
married to my gm they share the same pedigree since
their cousins 2nd. A funny story, When my mom was born
they asked is she your child? And he said of course,
him being López de Elisalde and my mom recieving
García del Camino??? I was laughing at this story! The
doctors were curious! I find it curious my mother
refers to herself as Mexicana while her parents "son
Español". My identity is lost! I suppose? I usually
say "yo soy Español" Do you have any similar
experiances? Thought this was fun to share! The
Spanish have funny nameing systems!

Thanks! -Daniel

Films for Moyahua de Estrada

Is this what you saw in Somos Primos? I believe they once had a link to the holdings of the Los Angeles Regional Family History Center, which include films for Moyahua de Estrada, but only dating from 1814 to 1877. The University of Texas has historical documents in some collections dating from 1692 to 1814, but I didn't see anything about Moyahua. You could ask them or search the Archivos de la Nacion.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

1162563
Mexico
Zacatecas, Moyahua de Estrada
Indice de Bautismos (1870-1931) item 1-2

Bautismos (1814-1825) item 3-5

1162565
Mexico
Zacatecas, Moyahua de Estrada y

Juchipila
Bautismos (1849-1870)

Informacion Matrimonial (1868-1869)

1162573

Mexico

Zacatecas, Moyahua de Estrada
Bautismos de hijos naturales (1894-1977) item 1-3

Indice de Matrimonios (1884-1942) item 4

Matrimonios (1814-1825) item 5-6

1162574

Mexico

Zacatecas, Moyahua de Estrada
Matrimonios (1825-1848) item 1

Matrimonios (1853-1860) item 2

Matrimonios (1870-1891) item 3-4

1162585

Mexico

Zacatecas, Moyahua
Informacion Matrimonial (1926 ) item 1

Defunciones de españoles (1814-1825) item 2

Defunciones de indios (1814-1824 ) item 3

Defunciones ( 1828-1851, 1859 ) item 4-

Attention Primo Bill Figueroa - Munoz de Nava

Hola Primo Bill, I can't remember if you or Steve Hernandez stating that Andre Munoz de Nava (Married to Luisa Tiscareno) and Juan Munoz de Nava (married to Elvira Tiscareno ) brothers ,sons of Francisco Munoz de Nava and Maria Sanchez. Is this info connection right ?
Ronnie pariente ,acasi todos de Los Altos
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Dr. Gabriel Sanchez Spanish Studies

http://www.qub.ac.uk/schools/SchoolofLanguagesLiteraturesandPerformingA…

Please see link above. Again my husband's roots intermesh with my roots. I have a question that is probably better asked on this website as the author Dr. Gabriel Sanchez deals with Spanish history. Does anyone know about him? I am interested in his work on Felix O'Neill as Felix O'Neill is my maternal great great grandfather's name. On the link above is Dieciocho 23 2000 117-113. Does this refer to a book? If you read down he has many other works relating to Spain and New Spain, so thought I would share. Does anyone know how to purchase his works or any libraries that have his works besides the one in Belfast?
Thank you for any help.

Maureen Bejar

Vicente Tiscareno and Maria de Torres

I got a few questions that stemmed for searching the line of Maria de la Luz Tiscareno (sorry, haven't figured out how to write the tilde~), born about 1750, daughter of Vicente Tiscareno and Maria de Torres, as they appear in her marriage to Guadalupe Gonzalez,El Sagrario, Aguascalientes 27 May 1767. They had several children, one of them Cesario (or Sesario) Gonzalez married twice. In his first marriage to Maria de los Santos Ramires, Cesario he is identified as 'Espanol'. However, his parents, Maria de la Luz and Guadalupe, are respectively identified as 'Coyota' and 'Mestizo' in their marriage record. Has anyone faced a similar issue on the 'racial' discrepancy between parents and children? I would have expected for Cesario to be Mestizo, unless he appeared 'Espanol' to the eyes of the priest. Is this common?
The second question, does anyone has info on Vicente de Tiscareno (born about 1725) or Maria de Torres?

Thanks Jaime

Tengo algunas preguntas que surgieon al buscar el linaje de Maria de la Luz Ticareno, nacida circa 1750, hija de Vicente de Tiscareno y Maria de Torres, como aparecen en su matrimonio con Guadalupe Gonzales, en el Sagrario, Aguascalientes el 27 Mayo 1767. Tuvierion varios hijos, uno de ellos Cesario (Sesario) Gonzalez que se caso dos veces. En su primer matrimonio con Maria de los Santos Ramires, Cesario es identificado como 'Espanol', sin embargo, sus padres Maria de la Luz y Guadalupe son identificados como 'Coyota' y 'Mestizo' en su acta de matrimonio. Alguno de ustedes ha encontrado esta discordancia racial entre padres e hijos? Yo hubiera esperado que Cesario fuera 'mestizo', a menos que pareciera a los ojos del cura como 'espanol'. Es esto comun?
La segunda pregunta es si alguien tiene informacion de Vicente de Tiscareno (nacido alrededor de 1725) o de Maria de Torres.

Gracias, Jaime