Bienvenido, Víctor.

Víctor,

No puedo ayudar con tus preguntas. Sin embargo, hice unas rápidas búsquedas. Descubrí que parece haber información de uno de tu bisabuelos en un microfilm, #1155497. Ese microfilm está a mi alcance en la biblioteca que yo visito los martes y miércoles. Posiblemente ya tienes esos datos pero si quieres puedo enviar una copia. Se trata del matrimonio siguiente:

LEANDRO MORA, Spouse: MERCED VILLALOBOS
Marriage: 07 MAY 1817 La Encarnación, Encarnación De Díaz, Jalisco, México
M602693, 1778-1830, 1155497 IGI

Saqué ese matrimonio del informe siguiente:

Tomas Mora, Marriage: 17 APR 1861 Encarnación De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico
Father: Leandro Mora, Mother: Merced Villalobos
Spouse: Maria Salomé Morán, Father: Anastacio Morán, Mother: Gerónima Chavez, M602695, 1857-1876, 1155499 IGI

En el caso que tengas otros datos de los hijos Mora Morán:

JULIAN MORA MORAN
Christening: 05 AUG 1866 La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mex
Father: TOMAS MORA, Mother: SALOME MORAN
C607006, 1866-1868, 1155476 IGI

NARCISO MORA MORAN
Christening: 01 NOV 1867 La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mex
Father: TOMAS MORA, Mother: MARIA SALOME MORAN
C607006, 1866-1868, 1155476 IGI

RAFAEL MORA MORAN
Christening: 07 NOV 1869 La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mex
Father: TOMAS MORA, Mother: SALOME MORAN
C607007, 1869-1873, 1155477 IGI

LUIZA MORA MORAN
Christening: 15 OCT 1871 La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mex
Father: TOMAS MORA, Mother: SALOME MORAN
C607007, 1869-1873, 1155477 IGI

PRIMITIVO MORA MORAN
Christening: 30 NOV 1873 La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mex
Father: TOMAS MORA, Mother: MARIA SALOME MORAN
C607007, 1869-1873, 1155477 IGI

Además encontré los siguientes pero no a Martínez Frausto. ¿Es posible que tus ancestros se conocieron como Martín Fraustos en aquellos tiempos?

NESTOR MARTIN FRAUSTOS
Christening: 03 MAR 1867 La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mex
Father: Antonio Martin, Mother: Maria Matilde Fraustos
C607006, 1866-1869, 1155476 IGI

TEODORA MARTIN FRAUSTOS
Christening: 08 APR 1854 La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mex
Father: ANTONIO MARTIN, Mother: MARIA MATA DE FRAUSTOS
K607003, 1851 - 1854, 1155179 IGI

Espero tu respuesta … a ver qué opinas. Hasta más tarde,

David Delgado Lopez en Albany, CA

-----Original Message-----
>From: vmom
>Sent: Sep 6, 2008 6:45 PM
>To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Bienvenido, Víctor.
>
>
>María Elena:
>
>Te estoy muy agradecido por tus comentarios. Como comprenderás, yo soy un completo neófito, tanto en el terreno de la genealogía como en el manejo de la página Web de Nuestros Ranchos. Te puedo decir que ya hace tiempo que descargué de Family Search el programa PAF, en su versión 5 y he ido vaciando allí mis datos.
>
>En cuanto a mi bisabuelo, don Néstor Martínez Frausto, nació en Encarnación en 1867, hijo de Antonio Martínez y María Matilde Frausto, pero sus padres se casaron en Asientos, Ags., lo mismo que sus abuelos y bisabuelos. Donde empiezan mis grandes dudas es con mis bisabuelos Mora-Jaime. Mi bisabuelo se llamaba Narciso Mora y mi bisabuela Sabina Jaime. Encontré el registro del bautizo de Narciso Mora Morán, nacido también en 1867, hijo de Tomás Mora y de María Salomé Morán.
>
>Yo habría esperado encontrar registro de su matrimonio con Sabina Jaime. Pero lo que encontré fue el registro de su matrimonio con Higinia Muñiz en l887. Esto, desde luego, no descarta que se tratara de mi bisabuelo. En aquellos fines del siglo XIX era bastante común que un hombre se casara y al nacimiento de su primer hijo quedara viudo. Y así, el matrimonio con Sabina Jaime fueran unas segundas nupcias. Pero, para confirmarlo, necesitaría encontrar dos documentos: 1) el registro de la muerte de Higinia Muñíz en los años siguientes, y 2) el registro del matrimonio de Narciso Mora con Sabina Jaime. Ninguno de ellos he podido localizar. En cambio, tengo los registros de los bautizos de algunos de sus hijos, en los años noventa de dicho siglo, donde aparecen Narciso Mora y Sabina Jaime ya como padres.
>
>En fin, existen otros muchos otros elementos a considerar que no puedo incluir aquí para no alargar demasiado esta comunicación. Lo que sí quisiera comentarte es que en los ROLLOS correspondientes a Encarnación de Díaz, dentro de Nuestros Ranchos, faltan los que cubren las fechas que a mí me interesaría consultar.
>
>Un saludo afectuoso,
>Víctor Manuel Ortiz Martínez.
>

For Joseph Puente Roman/Orosco

Joseph, I'm working on marriage information records and came across this one, not sure it's the right family but thought you might want to see it.

Recorded 10 May 1794 in Jerez
Jose Marcial Roman, Espanol age 38 from San Juan
Parents: Bernardo Roman and Ysabel Ortis both deceased
With: Ygnacia de Orosco, Espanola age 25 from Jerez
Expuesta in the home of Juan Antonio de Orosco and Josefa Sanchez
source: 0439899 Jerez marriage infromation record

I could be wrong on the Marcial, could be Maria?

just thought I'd give you a chance to check it out.. just in case

Linda in Everett

Diego Lopes de Nava

I am trying to find information on Diego Lopes de Nava and Juana Gertrudes Flores.

He was born about 1720/30, probably in Aguascalientes, and married Juana Gertrudes Flores. They had at least one child, Maria Teresa Lopes de Nava, who married Jose Pantaleon Sandoval (date unknown); she died 14 Jul 1786, and was buried at Nuestra Sra. de Guadelupe, Aguascalientes. Jose Pantaleon Sandoval married again in 1787, Maria Ignacia Lopes de Nava (daughter of Jose Eulogio Lopes de Nava and Maria Antonia Romo de Vivar).

Jose Pantaleon Sandoval had children by both wives.

Are Maria Teresa and Maria Ignacia related?

George Fulton

ANy Help

I have a Juan Julián González de Bermejo marrying Gertrudis López de Nava, Gertrudis is listed as Gertrudis López de Nava y Flores de la Torre in her daughters marriage. Her daughter was María Salomé González de Bermejo married 26 apr 1739 in Teocaltiche to Matías Ruiz de Esparza. Any help will be appreciated. -Daniel

I was trying to find any Nava married to a Flores de la Torre around 1675 or so as a lead to start. Does anyone have such a couple?

Orden Imperial de Guadalupe

Dear Grupo,
I came across this online: Orden Imperial de Guadalupe Establecida conforme al Decreto de la Junta Soberana Provincial Gubernativa de 20 de Febrero de 1822 confirmada el 11 de Julio del mismo ano. Does anyone know what this refers to? Thanks so much for your help. Alice BB

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From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org on behalf of jose maria vallejo mercado
Sent: Thu 3/5/2009 2:35 PM
To: consulta genealogica; Ricardo Rodríguez Camarena
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] FW: Reunions 2009 -

GRacias por tu atención.

Yo tengo de los hijos de Eligio Romo Jiménez casado con Francisca Gutiérrez González.

Canuto caso con María Concepción Gutiérrez.

Juan casó María Gutiérrez.

Reyes desconozco con quien casó

Irinea casó Pablo Romo

María del Refugio desconozco con quien casó.

Emeterio casó desconozco con quien casó ( pero ya que me dices que era tu tatarabuelo me da gusto saber que tenemos algo en comun, ya que solo sabia que su descendencia vivia en el municipio del Valle de Guadalupe.)

Dionicia casó con Dionicio Gutiérrez.

Por lo anterior me da gusto el tener una linea de parentezco, ( tal vez no te acuerdes de mi pero soy el de Jalos que fuimos contigo un servidor y John González, estuvimos presente en la conferencia con el Lic. Mariano González, tal vez te acuerdes que fuimos a la hacienda del Cuadrado que por cierto no nos dejaron pasar a la hacienda.

Sin más de momento agradezco tu atención y estamos en comunicación.

p. d. un día pase a saludarte y no te encontre, pase con tu papa y le deje mis saludos.

ATTE.

José MaRÍA Vallejo.
> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 18:48:32 -0800
> From: rricci@lausd.net
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] FW: Reunions 2009 -
>
> es el mismo, mi bisabuelo Eligio Romo Jimenez fue casado con Francisca Gutierrez Gonzalez. Eligio fue padre de emeterio romo Gutierrez quien se caso Serapia Franco Barba. mi abuelo Hermenegildo Romo Franco y el doctor Rito Romo Franco son hijos de emeterio y rito.
> yo tengo a Maria josefa Romo Jimenez, hermana de mi tatarabuelo nascida en 1848 en los Portales y casada con agustin Vallejo el 17/de enero/ 1867.
>
> yo tengo los hijos que dices pero mas para un total de ocho
>
> tambien tengo mucho de tu arbol ya hecho
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org on behalf of jose maria vallejo mercado
> Sent: Tue 3/3/2009 5:15 PM
> To: consulta genealogica
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] FW: Reunions 2009 -
>
>
>
>
>
> Mi nombre es JOsé María Vallejo Mercado, y ahorita que abri el correo se me hizo familiar el nombre de Eligio Romo Jiménez, lo anterior debido a que mi tatarabuela se llamaba Josefa Romo JIménez, y tengo conociemiento que tenia entre otros hermanos a Dorotea que casó con Jacinto Hurtado; tambien Teresa que casó con Doroteo Alvarez; y a Eligio casado con Francisca Gutiérrez ( desconozco el apelolido materno y quienes fueron sus padres).
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>
>
> Josefa casó con mi tatarabuelo Agustin Vallejo Tostado, hijo de JOaquin Vallejo y de Juana Tostado.
>
> Joséfa era hija de Pablo Romo y Manuela JIménez.
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>
>
> Mi pregunta es si se trata de Eligio era hijo de Pablo Romo y Manuela JIménez, o se trata de otro Eligio. y si sabes de quienes eran sus padres.
>
>
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> Si tienes los datos te agradeceria mucho si me los enviares a este correo, Vivo en Jalostotitlán, Jal.
>
>
>
> Otro dato que te puedo ofrecer es que Eligio nació en el rancho "Los Portales, Municipio de Jalostotitlán, Jal.
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>
>
> > Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 16:53:53 -0800
> > From: rubenazo_casillas@yahoo.com.mx
> > To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Reunions 2009 -
> >
> > Hola a todos, si la reunion, se hace en San Miguel El alto , cuenten conmigo en lo que les pueda ayudar, informaci'on de hoteles, trasportaci'on etc , alguna sugerecia¿
> >
> > Ruben Casillas M.
> >
> > --- El sáb 28-feb-09, Ricci, Richard escribió:
> >
> > De:: Ricci, Richard
> > Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Reunions 2009 -
> > A: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Fecha: sábado, 28 febrero, 2009, 3:52 pm
> >
> >
> > It would be great for me if they were close together but not on the same day so
> > that i may meet my cousins from both groups. My great great grandmother
> > francisca Gutierrez romo is a first cousin of Sotero Gutierrez. Francisca and
> > her husband Eligio romo jimenez were 2nd cousins to each other and both of them
> > closely related to sotero gutierrez and his wife.
> > from this romo family is my great aunt that just a few years ago recalled how
> > when she was very young she threw fruit from from a tree at her uncle Santo
> > toribio romo as he was walking on the sidewalk in front of her house. At first
> > he was just dodging the fruit because he did not know where it was coming from.
> > When he looked up and finally figured out who was throwing the fruit and from
> > where he moved out of reach and admonished her. He warned her that he was going
> > to tell her father( who was his cousin).
> > She was very old when she told this story to my mom when she was visiting her.
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org on behalf of Miggy GUTIERREZ
> > Sent: Sat 2/28/2009 11:23 AM
> > To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Reunions 2009 -
> >
> >
> >
> > Last year , the same day August 2, 2008 in Guadalajara there was the first
> > reunion known as the Gutierrada. The families of the Jose Sotero Gutierrez and
> > Maria de Jesus Romo from el Rancho de la Escondida near Jalostotitlan had a
> > successful reunion. By coincidence I believe they are planning their second
> > reunion this year also the same day August 2, 2009 .
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Claudia_Reynoso
> > To:
> > general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> > Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 10:13 AM
> > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Reunion 2009 - travel partners from California???
> >
> >
> >
> > I am interested in attending the Reunion this year, and would be great if I
> > could partner with any NR members who will be traveling from California. I live
> > in Souther Cali, and could meet up on land at any Mexican airport, or at LAX if
> > I am so lucky to have local members...
> >
> > As far as preferred date--I agree with Ricci, July/August would work better
> > for us up here, as it is vacation season.
> > -Claudia
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Caterina de la Pedroza

Hi, I was wondering if anyone knows who Caterina, daughter of don Marcos Pedroza and María López de Nava, married? Her daughter was my ancestor's first wife. Juana Izzazi y Martín del Campo or Cuevas. I think her paternal grandparents were Nicolás Martín del Campo and Sebastiana Izzazi y Cuevas, hence the Izzazi y Martín del Campo. Juana was also known as Juana Izzazi y Cuevas. So I KNOW for a fact she descended from the same alteño Izazzi.

-Daniel Méndez del Camino

MORAN and MARTINES-CALBILLO / LOPES

For Bill Figueroa, re Moran & Martines-Calbillo / Lopes

Bill, I have several questions about the family of Domingo MORAN and his wife Antonia MARTINES-CALBILLO / LOPES. Where does the LOPES come in with Antonia MARTINES-CALBILLO? Are their parents named in their wedding document [4 Aug 1665]?

Did Domingo and Antonia have other children besides Nicolas [wife Andrea ALONSO Ruis-Esparsa] and Juan [wife Lorenza MORAN]?

Thank you in advance for any help you might provide. I'm related to this Martines-Calbillo family through several lines.

Gloria Delgado
Albany, CA

Presentación

Hi everyone!
Mi name is Lucia and I'm doing research about mi roots at los altos de Jalisco, specially about Camarena, Santos, Delgado and Correa.

I'm starting with Camarena that is the one I've more advance in.
The very last information I have is about Manuel de Camarena son of Julián de Camarena and Susana de Guzman de Camarena, ( I have no date of marriage or location or ancetor's of them, or date of birth)

Manuel Ramón de Camarena who married first with Ana (or Soledad?) Corcuera and with Virginia García (2nd marriage). They lived at Arandas Jalisco about 1870, where all of their children were born - at least 3 of them at "San José de La Teja" rancho. I also know that Manuel de Camarena had other Ranchos likes: "Ibarrilla" "Las pilas" "Hacienda de Guadalupe" "El posito" "El Vallado" "Valparaiso" "Jocoyote" "El potrerito" "Tres cruces", "La mesita", "La laguna" and some others in Arandas and La piedad, Michoacán.

If theres anyone ho should share information about or interchange I have some few information about that maybe should help us (all interesested about) to complete some pieces of the jigsaw puzzle

If theres anything I could hel you about, I'll be right here. Thank's a lot!!!

Lucía

Books on the history of Tepatitlan \ San Jose de Bazarte

I've be following the thread in regards to the books dealing Nuevo Galicia with interest. I was wondering if anyone knows of any books dealing specifically with the history of Tepatitlan \ Los Altos or San Jose de Bazarte. If not, does anyone have any suggestions on how I can find out more on the historical background of these places ? especially "La Villa"....Thanks in advance , Robert Gonzalez ~

IGI marriage records

Just a simple question.

I understand that the present method probably is quicker and saves time for the original document-recorder person in 99% of the time; but WHY does that person (who creates these documents) NOT bother to include the names of the parents of the newlyweds ???? If the parent's names are not on the record or illegible, that can be noted on the IGI just as easily.

Aren't we ALL grateful when we do find an IGI with that information? Think of the countless MILLIONS of wasted hours saved for the researcher/ descendants.

The information is ALREADY there in 99% of the time.

Why does the person who needs this vital information about their ancestors have to send for that SAME microfilm and spend countless hours of of DUPLICATE research time in doing this?

Just a thought.

Connections & Family Search Pilot Website

Hi, Everyone:

I am sorry I do not contribute very often. While I have made some very
important and significant connections with those with whom I share a common
ancestor (thanks to this forum), my area of research and family is not
shared by the more active members of this group. So, my apologies for not
taking part in discussions, etc. Add to this the fact that our computer is
on again and off again quite often, so I tend to get way behind in what is
being discussed in this forum. I have also taken on some new
responsibilities over the past several months that have severely curtailed
my research all around. So.... I am very lucky to have the time that I do
have to go through a little bit of a microfilm, check out Family Search, or
to send a message to this group now and then: Just to let you know I'm still
here, still doing my research and wish you all the best of luck in your
searching!

By the way, I just discovered the Aguascalientes church records on the
family search pilot website. I was going to order a microfilm that I
learned was on this site, so I saved 5.95 when I found the exact record I
was looking for, which cost me only 10 cents to simply print it out! How
easy can that be? And, Sergio, whom I work with on our shared family
history, emailed me the document from that site, so I didn't even have to
put it on my flashdrive or figure out how to send it to him! Isn't that
great?

Well, thank-you and I hope you are all doing well in your research and in
all areas of your lives!
Corrine Ardoin
Santa Maria, California

Familia Domínguez Cornejo o de la Torre Cornejo.

Hola compañeros y amigos, me encuentro con un problema al investigar a José Domínguez y María Josefa Cornejo que debieron casar aprox. en 1776 en San Miguel el Alto o Jalostotitlán, pero no encuentro datos mas atrás sobre ellos.

A veces aparecen sus hijos y descendientes como Domínguez y en ocasiones como de la Torre. También es curioso, porque a veces aparecen como mestizos y otras como español.

Yo desciendo de un hijo de ésta pareja, de nombre José Rafael Tiburcio de Guadalupe Domínguez Cornejo, que casó con Felipa de Jesús Rodríguez Orozco en 1812 en Tepatitlán. Ella es descendiente de la familia Rodríguez de Híjar.

Saludos.
Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.

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Los Castellanos de Tepatitlán y Ocotlán.

Alguien tiene información de Ana María Castellanos, mujer de Anastasio Arias Maldonado, que debió nacer aprox. en 1720 en Tepatitlán u Ocotlán. Ellos tuvieron una hijo llamado Antonio Matías Arias Maldonado que casó con María Lugarda Gutiérrez Galindo.

También quiero saber si tienen datos de Antonia Castellanos, mujer de Manuel Aceves. Ella debió nacer aprox. en 1725 en Ocotlán o Tepatitlán. Padres de José Lázaro Aceves Castellanos quien casó en Tepatitlán con María Margarita Petronila Arias Maldonado.

Saludos.
Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.

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Martinez, Aguilar, Macias, D'avila 1800+

I am looking for any info on these names: Martinez, Aguilar, Macias and D'avila from the 1800 + The areas are Ojuelos, Jalisco, Pinos, Zacatecas, and Aguascaliente.

Thank you.

Estoy buscando cual quer informacion sobre estos nombres: Martinez, Aguilar, Macias y D'avila de 1800+.
Las zonas son Ojuelos, Jalisco, Pinos, Zacatecas, y Aguascaliente.

Gracias.

Lopez de Lizardi

I recently advanced my research considerably by going to the Salt Lake City
Library. I added Juan Delgado m. 4 Mar 1669 to Margarita Lopez de Lizardi
at the Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes to my database.
Unfortunately, the marriage record does not name the parents of either the
bride or the groom. I searched for the Informacion Matrimonial for this
couple, but it is missing. I've gone through the images on
pilot.familysearch twice (I know the records are out of order) and I could
not find it. Does anyone have any info on this couple? I found all the
baptismal records for 12 of their children and noticed that the padrinos
were often from the Ruiz Esparza, Tiscareño, Gabai, and Romo de Vivar
families. I am wondering how they may be connected to these families.
Another question I have is the Lopez de Lizardi surname sounds like it may
be the same as Lopez de Elizalde. Does anyone know if this is the same
surname? Thanks in advance for any help anyone can provide.

Maria Cortez
Sacramento, CA

Yanez del Monte

I found a mistake in my tree and I was hoping that someone could correct it.

Juan Yanez del Monte and Lorenzo Yanez del Monte are half brothers because they have the same father but different mothers. This is very clearly stated that they had different mothers. My problem is that I do not know which of the two is the son of Geronima Benavides. I have both of them listed. which one should not be there?
I know how I originally made the mistake. A dispensa that I originally used called them brothers but did not specify that they had different mothers.

Bernardina Ornelas y Mendoza.

Alguien tiene información de Juan de León y Bernardina de Ornelas y Mendoza, padres de mi ancestro Felipe de León, quienes debieron nacer en Lagos de Moreno o Teocaltiche. Solo encuentro una hija suya aparte de mi ancestro Felipe en Teocaltiche bautizada en 1712.

Felipe casó en Tepatitlán con María de San Juan Ledezma el 23 de mayo de 1731.

Saludos.
Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.

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genealogy errors

Ricci

Is this Villalpando family related to Thomas de Villalpando who married (1)
Maria de Vargas, 1677 and (2) Maria de Jaen (de Sotelo), 1690, in
Aguascalientes?

George Fulton

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Yanez del Monte and Perestoriello

I cannot answer for that claim of Alonso Perestorello since I have questioned it from the beginning. They seemed to get started on that route with the mistake that it is two last names written as Peres Torello. It may have orginated that way many years before but I doubt it. The Perstorello family name was originally Pallestrelli in Genoa.

The perestorello family were like the mendozas in that they intermarried over and over again among cousins. In this case it was the perestorello rodriguez and ferriera families intermarrying repeatedly.

You see this among my side of the gutierrez family. My greatgrandfather Emeterio Romo Gutierrez's parents were 2nd cousins and 3rd cousins. The gutierrez romo jimenez gonzalez family of that part of jalos intermarried repeatedly. That is why you see those names repeatedly inSanto toribio's family. Kind of like the martin and barba family, and more recently the alvarez and casillas families.

It continued with my tio Lupe Romo who married maria luisa Romo, the sister of Jorge romo barba the author of a recent history and genealogy book of the Valle de Gpe. . Lupe and Maria Luisa (Guicha) are 2nd cousins. Their children are romo romo or as I call them romo quadrado. romo squared. i thought i would add that since today is square root day, 3/3/09 and I am a math teacher. I really did call them that as a teenager and they took it as an offense though it was said in jest. the comment still comes up in family gatherings.

I remember that I heard as a kid that someone was getting married and an aunt from the valle de Gpe. responded " how dare she marry that man, he is not even family" of course she said this in spanish.

The perestorello family had a jewish background and they tended to marry among those with the same background or at least those that were more tolerant of interculture marriage. This tolerance usually came because you knew that somewhere in your own recent history there is a interculture marriage.

The intolerance of intercultural marriage seems to build up the farther away it is in a persons history or ancestry.

as to the mendoza family chart there is an extensive one, though not anywhere complete (many missing daughters that I have had to add) in that SHARR journal where I originally found this information.

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From: Daniel M?ndez del Camino [general@nuestrosranchos.org
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Sent: Mon 3/2/2009 9:06 PM
To: Ricci, Richard
Subject: Yanez del Monte and Perestoriello

Hi Richard, I was wondering do you have any more info genealogy wise on Íñigo Mendoza and María Fuentes? They sound like part of "La Casa del Infantado". BTH Im starting to lean towards your research on ALonso Pérez. The only thing I wonder is how did don Mariano find and said his parents were. His mother's name according to him is María di or de Toriello which mght be related to the Perestoriello family. I AM LOST! -Daniel Camino

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