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Maria Cortez

My name is Maria Cortez. I'm researching the Cortez, Alvarado, Hernandez, Ortiz family.

My grand parents name were Antonio Cortez Alvardo Hernandez maried to Ma- Manuela Alvarado Ortiz both born in Matansas de Jalisco around the year of 1909 and 1913.

My great great grandparents were Jose Refuio Cortez married to Alejandra Hernandez pretty sure they were born in Jalisco area the years were around 1880 and 1885.

Any help is apriciated.

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 23:17:42 -0800 (PST)
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As many of you probably already know there are XIV edited volumes of the
Pasajeros a indias that deal with those who emigrated to "las Indias"
between the years 1509 and 1701 these books are available for purchase
from the "Archivo General de Indias". I looked up the cost of the last
seven and they run about 135 Euros a peace. I found an excellent blog
that tell how you can access the information in the books online. I have
actually been using the website that is referred in the blog for quite
some time. It is called, here is the URL: Pares.mcu.es the URL for
the blog article is:
http://genealogiablog.blogspot.com/2008/06/pasajeros-indias-un-viaje-de-
sevilla.html good luck with your searching!

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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 10:27:01 -0800
From: "Angelina Markle"
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Eduardo,
Thank you! I knew of the existence of the PARES website - but I hadn't
had
any luck navigating the it. This link very clearly explains how it
works.
Thank you!

-Angelina-

Pares.mcu.es the URL for the blog article is:
http://genealogiablog.blogspot.com/2008/06/pasajeros-indias-un-viaje-de-
sevi
lla.html

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Hello Everyone ,

I came across this site from another group it´s called Sologenealogia.com it´s from Venezuela . They have been extracting information for quite some time .

It shows List, Destinations, Fathers and what group they were in, Wives, Paper works and the years of the paper works.

Hope there is something there of use for you .

Welester G. Alvarado

IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0
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MICAELA PEDROSA ANDA Pedigree
  Female    

________________________________
Event(s):
Birth: 
Christening:  02 JAN 1664   Santa Maria De Los Lagos, Lagos De Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico
Death: 
Burial: 

________________________________
Parents:
  Father:  NICOLAS DE PEDROSA Family
  Mother:  MARIANA DE ANDA  

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  3. Re: Ana Dominguez de Inojos (Joseph Puentes)
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  5. Re: Ana Dominguez de Inojos (Daniel M?ndez del Camino)
  6. Re: Ana Dominguez de Inojos (alvaradj@comcast.net)
  7. Re: Espejo as a last name - Bill and Jaime (Bill Figueroa)
  8. Re: Ana Dominguez de Inojos (Bill Figueroa)
  9. Re: sitio interesante (leticia reynoso)
  10. Re: sitio interesante (Daniel M?ndez del Camino)
  11. Re: sitio interesante (leticia reynoso)
  12. Re: sitio interesante (Daniel M?ndez del Camino)
  13. Re: Maria Zamora Ocotlan Jalisco (leticia reynoso)

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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 23:16:22 +0000
From: Lester Alvarado
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Espejo as a last name - Bill and Jaime
To: Bill Figueroa
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International Genealogical Index / Mexico - 20

Hiya Bill and Jaime ,

I thought this might be of interest to the two of you . In Family Search I just put the last name Espejo and the state of Aguascaliente and these names showed up .

Welester G. Alvarado

Select records to download - (50 maximum)

1. MARIA BONIFACIA ESPEJO ALONZO - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 07 JUN 1864 El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico

2. EUGENIA DEL REFUGIO ESPEJO AGUILAR - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 17 NOV 1829 El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico

3. NATALIA ESPEJO ALONZO - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 03 DEC 1869 El Senor Del Encino, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico

4. RAMONA ESPEJO SOLIS - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 03 SEP 1861 El Senor Del Encino, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico

5. JOSE FERNANDO CALLETANO ESPEJO AGUILAR - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 01 JUN 1826 El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico

6. JOSE VICTORIANO ESPEJO VILLALOVOS - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 24 MAR 1852 El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico

7. JOSE HIPOLITO ESPEJO LOPEZ - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 18 AUG 1853 El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico

8. CANDIDA ESPEJO ALONSO - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 07 OCT 1867 El Senor Del Encino, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico

9. JUSTA DE JESUS ESPEJO LOPEZ - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 07 AUG 1855 El Senor Del Encino, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico

10. SEVERA ESPEJO SOLIZ - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 09 NOV 1859 El Senor Del Encino, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico

11. Fernando Espejo - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: About 1835 Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico

12. EMILIANA ESPEJO LOPEZ - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 08 JUL 1862 El Senor Del Encino, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico

13. Alejandro Espejo - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: 24 APR 1857 Triana, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico

14. Aristeo Espejo - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: 03 SEP 1860 Triana, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico

15. Fernando Espejo - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: About 1835 Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico

16. FERNANDO ESPEJO - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Marriage: 20 MAR 1867 El Senor Del Encino, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico

17. JOSE FERNANDO ESPEJO - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Marriage: 14 FEB 1844 El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico

18. HIPOLITO ESPEJO - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Marriage: 24 MAY 1879 El Senor Del Encino, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico

19. Fernando Espejo - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Marriage: About 1855 Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico

20. Fernando Espejo - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Marriage: About 1855 Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico
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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 01:35:26 +0000 (UTC)
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Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ana Dominguez de Inojos
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Bill,
I have spend several sessions browsing page by page the "Informaciones Matrimoniales" hoping to find additional information. Unfortunately, the records suddenly stop in 1682 just to begin again in 1685. Thus 1683-84 are missing! I am not sure whether these were absent from the church records, were not microfilmed, or that the images were not uploaded by mistake on the Pilot Site. I guess we have another interesting mistery.

Jaime

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Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ana Dominguez de Inojos

Jaime:

Thanks for the scan of the marriage record of Juan Macias Valadez and Juana Dominguez. You're absolutely right, it does say "Gomes espejo". There is no mention of racial group as "espa?oles", "indios", "mestisos" or what have you, but we know they were "espa?oles". I have been through most 17th century church records of Aguascalientes and so far have not found anyone with the surname "Gomes Espejo" or "Gomes de Espejo". The compounded surname may have originated in Jalisco, where a Juana Gomez de Espejo married a Pedro Navarro Gaitan in Tepatitlan, Jal. 2 July 1697, and a Joana Gomez de Espejo who married Pedro Gonzalez in San Agustin, Ayo el Chico, Jal. 10 May 1700. The last one was the daughter of Diego Gomez de Espejo and Mensia de Velasco. The only suggestion I have is to check "Informaciones Matrimoniales" of Aguascalientes. I spent nearly two years looking for the parents of my 5th great-grandmother Josepha I?iguez de Ulloa. Finally I ordered the
microfilm with "informa
ciones matrimoniales" for 1703 and there it was, with great detail including the declarations by several witnesses. As far as I know, those who wished to get married had to undergo the scrutiny of the Catholic Church, whether they needed a "dispensa" or not. Both pretensos were interviewed, as well as their witnesses.

Bill Figueroa

Al Margen-- Ju(an) Macias Baladez con Ju(ana) Gomes espejo Casados y Velados

En la Villa de Aguascalientes en doce dias del mes de Junio a?o de mil (seis) Cientos y ochenta i tres case i vele in facie ecletia a Juan Macias (Bala)dez, hijo lexitimo de Joseph Macias Baladez y de Catalina (de la) Vega Vesinos de esta Juridicion, Con Juana Gomez Espejo, hija (le)xitima d(e) Juan Hernandez, y de Ana Dominguez vesinos de dicha Juridicion aviendo precedido informacion Vastante de su (solteria) y las amonestaciones que dispone el Sto. Concilio en tres dias festivos inter missarum solemnia... Fueron testigos (al) expresar sus voluntades Diego Gonsales, Diego Presiado y los P(adrinos) que fueron Nicolas Ramirez y D Maria de Sordia...?

IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0
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________________________________

NICULAS DE PEDROSA Pedigree
  Male   Family

________________________________
Event(s):
Birth: 
Christening: 
Death: 
Burial: 

________________________________
Marriages:
  Spouse:  MARIANA RUIZ DE ANDA Family
  Marriage:  02 JUL 1656   Santa Maria De Los Lagos, Lagos De Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico

________________________________

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________________________________

JOSEPH HURTADO Pedigree
  Male   Family

________________________________
Event(s):
Birth: 
Christening: 
Death: 
Burial: 

________________________________
Marriages:
  Spouse:  MICHAELA DE PEDROSSA Family
  Marriage:  04 MAR 1690   Santa Maria De Los Lagos, Lagos De Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico

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  3. Re: Ana Dominguez de Inojos (Joseph Puentes)
  4. Re: Ana Dominguez de Inojos (alvaradj@comcast.net)
  5. Re: Ana Dominguez de Inojos (Daniel M?ndez del Camino)
  6. Re: Ana Dominguez de Inojos (alvaradj@comcast.net)
  7. Re: Espejo as a last name - Bill and Jaime (Bill Figueroa)
  8. Re: Ana Dominguez de Inojos (Bill Figueroa)
  9. Re: sitio interesante (leticia reynoso)
  10. Re: sitio interesante (Daniel M?ndez del Camino)
  11. Re: sitio interesante (leticia reynoso)
  12. Re: sitio interesante (Daniel M?ndez del Camino)
  13. Re: Maria Zamora Ocotlan Jalisco (leticia reynoso)

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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 23:16:22 +0000
From: Lester Alvarado
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Espejo as a last name - Bill and Jaime
To: Bill Figueroa
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International Genealogical Index / Mexico - 20

Hiya Bill and Jaime ,

I thought this might be of interest to the two of you . In Family Search I just put the last name Espejo and the state of Aguascaliente and these names showed up .

Welester G. Alvarado

Select records to download - (50 maximum)

1. MARIA BONIFACIA ESPEJO ALONZO - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 07 JUN 1864 El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico

2. EUGENIA DEL REFUGIO ESPEJO AGUILAR - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 17 NOV 1829 El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico

3. NATALIA ESPEJO ALONZO - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 03 DEC 1869 El Senor Del Encino, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico

4. RAMONA ESPEJO SOLIS - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 03 SEP 1861 El Senor Del Encino, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico

5. JOSE FERNANDO CALLETANO ESPEJO AGUILAR - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 01 JUN 1826 El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico

6. JOSE VICTORIANO ESPEJO VILLALOVOS - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 24 MAR 1852 El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico

7. JOSE HIPOLITO ESPEJO LOPEZ - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 18 AUG 1853 El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico

8. CANDIDA ESPEJO ALONSO - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 07 OCT 1867 El Senor Del Encino, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico

9. JUSTA DE JESUS ESPEJO LOPEZ - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 07 AUG 1855 El Senor Del Encino, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico

10. SEVERA ESPEJO SOLIZ - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 09 NOV 1859 El Senor Del Encino, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico

11. Fernando Espejo - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: About 1835 Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico

12. EMILIANA ESPEJO LOPEZ - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 08 JUL 1862 El Senor Del Encino, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico

13. Alejandro Espejo - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: 24 APR 1857 Triana, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico

14. Aristeo Espejo - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: 03 SEP 1860 Triana, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico

15. Fernando Espejo - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: About 1835 Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico

16. FERNANDO ESPEJO - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Marriage: 20 MAR 1867 El Senor Del Encino, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico

17. JOSE FERNANDO ESPEJO - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Marriage: 14 FEB 1844 El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico

18. HIPOLITO ESPEJO - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Marriage: 24 MAY 1879 El Senor Del Encino, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico

19. Fernando Espejo - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Marriage: About 1855 Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico

20. Fernando Espejo - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Marriage: About 1855 Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico
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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 01:35:26 +0000 (UTC)
From: alvaradj@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ana Dominguez de Inojos
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Bill,
I have spend several sessions browsing page by page the "Informaciones Matrimoniales" hoping to find additional information. Unfortunately, the records suddenly stop in 1682 just to begin again in 1685. Thus 1683-84 are missing! I am not sure whether these were absent from the church records, were not microfilmed, or that the images were not uploaded by mistake on the Pilot Site. I guess we have another interesting mistery.

Jaime

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Figueroa"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 1:15:41 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ana Dominguez de Inojos

Jaime:

Thanks for the scan of the marriage record of Juan Macias Valadez and Juana Dominguez. You're absolutely right, it does say "Gomes espejo". There is no mention of racial group as "espa?oles", "indios", "mestisos" or what have you, but we know they were "espa?oles". I have been through most 17th century church records of Aguascalientes and so far have not found anyone with the surname "Gomes Espejo" or "Gomes de Espejo". The compounded surname may have originated in Jalisco, where a Juana Gomez de Espejo married a Pedro Navarro Gaitan in Tepatitlan, Jal. 2 July 1697, and a Joana Gomez de Espejo who married Pedro Gonzalez in San Agustin, Ayo el Chico, Jal. 10 May 1700. The last one was the daughter of Diego Gomez de Espejo and Mensia de Velasco. The only suggestion I have is to check "Informaciones Matrimoniales" of Aguascalientes. I spent nearly two years looking for the parents of my 5th great-grandmother Josepha I?iguez de Ulloa. Finally I ordered the
microfilm with "informa
ciones matrimoniales" for 1703 and there it was, with great detail including the declarations by several witnesses. As far as I know, those who wished to get married had to undergo the scrutiny of the Catholic Church, whether they needed a "dispensa" or not. Both pretensos were interviewed, as well as their witnesses.

Bill Figueroa

Al Margen-- Ju(an) Macias Baladez con Ju(ana) Gomes espejo Casados y Velados

En la Villa de Aguascalientes en doce dias del mes de Junio a?o de mil (seis) Cientos y ochenta i tres case i vele in facie ecletia a Juan Macias (Bala)dez, hijo lexitimo de Joseph Macias Baladez y de Catalina (de la) Vega Vesinos de esta Juridicion, Con Juana Gomez Espejo, hija (le)xitima d(e) Juan Hernandez, y de Ana Dominguez vesinos de dicha Juridicion aviendo precedido informacion Vastante de su (solteria) y las amonestaciones que dispone el Sto. Concilio en tres dias festivos inter missarum solemnia... Fueron testigos (al) expresar sus voluntades Diego Gonsales, Diego Presiado y los P(adrinos) que fueron Nicolas Ramirez y D Maria de Sordia...?

This is a very interestin site, I had already checked it and has a lot of information. Hope it is useful to everyone, for me only gave mi hints, but not real information that I can take as certain yet (mean, havent gone that far in my ivestigation).

Best regards to everyone
LIC. ALESSANDRO VITELA
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I am not sure of your question....but if I can clarify some things....

Many village and town names were changed after the Revolutionary War. Most
especially, if the town or village was part of an hacienda or resulted
thereof.

On a side note, the "robando" of a wife was quite common in some
communities...indeed my mother-in-law was "robada" - and from what I can gather - it was
a way to hook up with someone not from a perceived class - once "robada", s
he had to be made honorable, and a marriage would ensue.

When a person was "robada", she was taken to his family. Sometimes her
family remained stubborn in accepting the inevitable, but when a child resulted...

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I am having some trouble trying to place some of the Ruis de Esparza (or de Esparza) women into their families. I have the following:

Juana Ruis de Esparza m. Pedro Macias, 16 Sep 1678, Aguascalientes
Catharina Ruis de Esparza m. Onofre Macias, 20 Nov 1707, Aguascalientes
Gertrudis de Esparza m. Juan de Escobar, no date, but perhaps 1690's

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

George Fulton

Tuesday, January 20, 2009

Dear Daniel--

I would like to see this dispensa myself. Could you tell me what Microfilm it is on or in what book and on what page?

Many thanks.

Patricia Burton
San Diego, Ca.

--- On Tue, 1/20/09, Daniel M�ndez del Camino wrote:

> From: Daniel M�ndez del Camino
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ana Dominguez de Inojos
> To: "Patty Hoyos"
> Date: Tuesday, January 20, 2009, 8:06 PM
> Hi Jaime, from the "dispensa" if you read my last
> funny story it wasnt a dispensa but a warning from the Pope
> and the church. This is what I have Felipe Alonso de los
> Hinojos hijo legítimo de José Alonso de los Hinojos y
> Teresa Ruiz de Esparza...porque dice Josepha Márquez de
> Ulloa (she was alive and swore all this info was correct she
> herself was a granddaughter of Lope) Porque de tronco es
> Lope Ruiz de Esparza quien tuvó a María y Jacinto Ruiz de
> Esparza, Jacinto tuvó a Teresa Ruiz de Esparza madre del
> pretensoy mi madre María prima de ella. Yo tuvé Leonor de
> Villagrán y Ulloa madre de la pretensa (Agueda de Estrada.
> Felipe's father (José Alonso de los Hinojos was son of
> Pedro Alonso and Ana Domínguez if im correct. Maybe Bill
> can sustain my statement? ALso. There is a Leonor Sánchez
> de Hinojos how does she fit in is she a daughter of Pedro?
> Where does Sánchez come from. Eventually the last bit of
> the dispensa says something about no debéis estar juntos ni
> veros along the lines basically a warning.
>
> -Daniel Méndez del Camino
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El Colegio de San Luis A. C., el H. Ayuntamiento de Pinos y la Universidad
Autónoma de Zacatecas tienen el honor de invitar a la presentación del
libro:

De las mieles al mezcal. Haciendas y ranchos mezcaleros en Pinos, Zacatecas
(1890-1930) de Margil de Jesús Canizales Romo, impreso en México y
coediatado por el Colegio de San Luis A. C. y el H. Ayuntamiento de Pinos
Zacatecas, 2008. 226 pp. Incluye archivo fotográfico. ISBN: 970-762-032-3

Fecha: 13 de noviembre de 2008, 19 horas
Lugar: Foyer del teatro Fernando Calderón Av. Hidalgo S/N zona centro
(Frente al Mercado González Ortega) Zacatecas, Zacatecas.

Comentan:
Dr. Carlos Rubén Ruiz Medrano El Colegio de San Luis
Mtro. Edgar Hurtado Hernández UAZ
Mtro. Ángel Román Gutiérrez UAZ
Modera: Mtra Norma Gutiérrez Hernández UAZ

Esta obra analiza la dinámica socioeconómica de las haciendas y ranchos
productores de mezcal en el partido de Pinos, Zacatecas, durante los años
de 1890 a 1930. A fin de proporcionar una visión completa del desarrollo de
esta industria agrícola, el autor aborda diferentes tópicos
interrelacionados, tales como las formas de tenencia de la tierra y las
modalidades de administración dentro de las fincas mezcaleras. Así mismo,
realiza un estudio de la estructura de producción y la comercialización del
mezcal; en la última parte del libro, analiza las relaciones sociolaborales
que se establecieron y permitieron el funcionamiento de haciendas y ranchos
mezcaleros.

ÍNDICE

CAPÍTULO I. CONFORMACIÓN HISTÓRICA DEL PARTIDO DE PINOS Y LA RELACIÓN
INTERSECTORIAL
1. Antecedentes del partido de Pinos
2. Condiciones geográficas y climáticas
3. El partido de Pinos durante el porfiriato
4. La minería
5. La ganadería
6. La agricultura
7. Población: rasgos generales

CAPÍTULO II. HACENDADOS Y ESTRUCTURA AGRARIA EN EL PARTIDO DE PINOS
1. Tenencia de la tierra en la municipalidad de Pinos
2. Movilidad en la propiedad y grupos generacionales de propietarios
- Primer grupo generacional
- Segundo grupo generacional
- Conflictos entre las haciendas
3. Los Hacendados y la administración empresarial
- La administración de las haciendas
- Hacienda Santa Ana
- San Martín, Santiago, La Trinidad y San Nicolás
- La Pendencia
- Espíritu Santo
4. El arrendamiento y la administración

CAPÍTULO III. EL SISTEMA DE PRODUCCIÓN DEL MEZCAL
1. Antecedentes de la producción de mezcal en el partido de Pinos
2. Estructuras, edificios e instalaciones
- Las instalaciones fabriles
- Agua: pozos estanques y norias
- La Pendencia en la modernidad
3. Abasto de insumos: la lógica de explotación
4. El proceso de producción
- El corte del maguey
- La "tatema" de las piñas
- La molienda
- Fermentación y destilación

Capítulo IV. Política fiscal, producción y mercado
1. Disposiciones gubernamentales frente a la producción del mezcal
- La política fiscal durante el porfiriato
- La reestructuración en el cobro de impuestos en el régimen revolucionario
2. Producción de mezcal en haciendas y rancho
- La producción
- Los ingresos de las haciendas
- Precios de los productos
- El comercio del mezcal

CAPÍTULO V. LOS TRABAJADORES DEL MEZCAL
1. Mercado de trabajo en el Partido de Pinos
- Demanda de mano de obra en las haciendas y ranchos
2. Estratificación de los trabajadores y las condiciones de trabajo
- Trabajadores externos
- Trabajadores internos
3. Formas de remuneración y condiciones extralaborales
- Derechos de montes y pastos
- Acceso a la tierra de las haciendas y ranchos
4. Mecanismos de la retención de mano de obra y situaciones coercitivas
- Las deudas de los trabajadores
- Medidas coercitivas de trabajo
- Deudas de las fincas contraídas con los empleados

EPÍLOGO

CONCLUSIONES

--
Benicio Samuel Sanchez Garcia
Presidente de la Sociedad Genealogica del Norte de Mexico
http://www.Genealogia.org.mx
http://www.GenealogiaMolecular.com
Cel: 04481-1667-2480
"Haz tu Arbol Genealogico...El Arbol mas Hermoso de la Creacion"

ESPERANZA VILLARREAL, I am looking for the Villareal family members from Zacatecas going north to Chihuahua or Coahulia. My ancestor Juana Villarreal was from Jalpa, Zac. born about 1877 daugther of Juan Villarreal and Dionisia Salas. I wonder if you have some information about them and who are your ancestors in the Villarreal line. I could not see your file here al Nuestros Ranchos.

Sincerely

Alessandro Vitela

Hello,

I just joined the list last week. Gutierres is one of my two main lines of
research, in Jalisco:

Gutierres (also found as Gutierres Rubio) in Tepatitlan, at Hacienda El
Salto. Many of the following details are as yet unconfirmed, and I am hoping
other members may have suggestions for sources: I have gotten as far back as
Francisco Gutierres Rubio who was married to Juana Lomelin. Francisco died
about 1691/2. His children were born between 1652 and 1658: Francisca
(1652), Lazaro (1654), Leonor (1656) and Miguel (1658). They were espanoles.

Miguel Gutierres Rubio is the direct ancestor. He was possibly the owner
(dueno) of Hacienda El Salto. He married Ana Flores de Alba about 1686. He
died Oct 1727. His children were Luisa (Apr 1687), Ana and Cristobal (twins,
July 1689), Francisco Xavier (Aug 1681) and Miguel (1697/8).

Miguel Gutierres was again the direct ancestor. He married Gertrudis de
Rovalcaba y Agundiz, after which he lived at Hacienda La Calle. Gertrudis
was born Mar 1711 at Zapotlanejo; she was from Hacienda El Tempisque in
Tepatitlan at the time of her marriage (24 Jun 1728 at Tepatitlan). The
couple had at least 10 children, and I have found the birth entry in church
books for all but one - the direct ancestor, Jose Miguel Gutierres born
about 1738. At this point the family was at Santa Clara near Ocotlan. I
believe there was a Santa Clara de Zula northeast of Ocotlan, as well as a
rancho named Santa Clara in Ocotlan. I do not know which one the Gutierres
family lived at.

Jose Miguel Gutierres married Francisca Xaviera Flores at Ocotlan May 1772.
They had at least 9 children, all born at Rancho Santa Clara, Ocotlan, and
again the direct ancestor is the only one for whom I've been unable to find
a birth record: Jose Antonio Gutierres, born about 1785. He married Maria
Josefa Ybanez of Santa Anita, but I've been unable to find a marriage record
in Ocotlan or Santa Anita. First child was born 1811, so I suspect marriage
around 1809-10. The children were all born in Santa Anita or (nearby?)
Rancho de la Calera. Here too the direct ancestor is the only one for whom
I've been unable to find a birth record: Reymundo Gutierres born about 1815
in Santa Anita. He married Maria Francisca Romana Cadena in Guadalajara May
1840. (I'll continue with the Cadena line in a separate e-mail.)

The direct ancestors I'm really seeking above seem to be successfully
eluding me thus far. Are there any sources besides the Church that I can
turn to? Does anyone know of the ranchos I've mentioned and possibly have
information about them from this period? And finally, does anyone have
suggestions for how I can go further back in time in Jalisco - into the
1600's - and eventually make the leap from Jalisco to Spain? I would
appreciate any help - thank you in advance.

Susan Cadena

I have a book titled: Los señores de Zacatecas - Una aristocracia minera
del siglo XVIII novohispano. The author is Frédérique Langue. The book is
479 pages long, written in Spanish, and deals with the mining industry of
Zacatecas and the social evolution of the principal mining families who
settled there. It has an onomastic index at the end of the book and it is
soft bound. I am asking $40 for the book including shipping within the US
and prefer Paypal as a payment method. If interested please e-mail me
directly.

Maria Cortez

Since there were "Libro Reservado" and "hijo natural" entries contained within the same book (some on the same page), I would be enclined to believe that the lLibro Reservado obviously refers to the "secret rape and incest" entries. However, there were SO MANY. Honestly, I'd run across one every couple of pages. Could it also be that the children born out of wedlock to lower socio-econmic "commonlaw" couples and single women were simply referred to as hijos naturales, as we see the names of the mother/parents and the abuelos listed and therefore made public. While a child born out of wedlock to upper society, whether as a result of an extra marital affair or both unmarried persons, but of different socio-economic society or races, whose family would want to keep the resulting child a secret. I guess I'd hate to think there was that much incest or rape within one city every year.
Where would one find the Libros Reservados, as anyone could find relatives there. I'm sure it would make interesting reading, indeed. Alice BB

--- arturo.ramos2@gmail.com wrote:

From: arturoramos
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Libro Reservado
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:15:57 -0800 (PST)

There were some priests or parishes that kept separate books for "espanoles" and castas (negros, mulatos, indios). In others, they kept the baptisms separate by whether the children were legitimate or "natural" (out of wedlock).

However, a libro reservado would not refer to either of these. I believe that a libro reservado was the "secret" book where testimony about incest, rape, etc. was kept, which was necessary to make determinations of consanguinity and such, but was not proper to have in the "public" baptism and marriage registers.

I have seen many such "secret dispensations" in the Sagrada Mitra. Had it not been for the Mexican government seizing those documents and allowing LDS to film them, I doubt the Catholic Church would have ever allowed them to be seen by laypeople. Some are quite shocking and/or entertaining. Proof that the old refrain about "back in our time..." is a stretch.

Rosa and anyone else interested in attending the Northern California meeting of the Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society.

Below is the meeting information, where and when.
The Raleys supermarket has a meeting room that can be used for non-profit meetings. You can't bring any food from the outside. Anything to be consumed can be purchased at the Raleys Supermarket

Rosa, I hope you can make it to the meeting next week. If there's anything I can answer before the meeting, just send me an email to alliecar@pacbell.net

Alicia,
San Jose, Calif

----- Forwarded Message ----
From: mcortez

Subject: January 2009 meeting

I have reserved the Raley's event center in Elk Grove for our next
meeting. I hope you all can attend.

Date of Event
Saturday, January 24, 2009
Event time
11:00 am - 2:00 pm
Location (store)
Raley's
4900 Elk Grove Blvd.
Elk Grove, CA

If you have any topics of interest you would like discussed, please
reply to me and I will include them in the agenda. Thanks.

Maria

Thank-you for sharing that story with us in Nuestros Ranchos. I think part
of our "quest" is making necessary connections in what sometimes feels like
a disconnected world. I think it is a gift to everyone involved that we
care enough about those who may have been "long lost" or previously
unremembered, to be found, to remember, and to quite possibly provide them
with an opportunity to forgive and heal.

Corrine Ardoin
Santa Maria, California

Hello All! I came to a shocking find, I though all dispensas in Luz Montejano's book were supposed to get married after but not one for one of my ancestral tíos.
Felipe Alonso de los Hinojos (great grandson of the famous Lope Ruiz de Esparza) and Agueda de Estrada (great great grandaughter of the famous Lope Ruiz de Esparza). They presented their info (case or dispensa and was reviewed in 19 Aug 1700 in Villanueva.They weren't that bad third cousins sounds way farther than cousins, but the dispensa was nulled because some one leaked out info that Felipe had sexual relations with his soon-tobe wife Agued's maternal side tías (his second cousin, not sure which tía there's only Leonor, María or Nicolasa de Villagrán y Ulloa, great grandchildren of Lope. Just thought to share this info. Dispensas can get very scary but very curious and leaves you wondering in surprise or SHOCK!
-Daniel Camino

Origins of New Mexico Families by Fray Angelico Chavez

"Diego Perez Granillo, who had married his cousin Juana Romero, and had gone to Sonora before 1663, was Alonso's son if not a younger brother".

You will find this family, as early as 1617,  in Nueva Vizcaya, and New Mexico.
In 1661 - 1664, Francisco and Alonso were part of a wagon-train from Mexico City to New Mexico.

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Hello John Inclan - I don't know if you remember me but I use to be with the SHHAR organization and went to the Pentagon and National Archives with you around 4 years ago or so....anyway, hoping you might have some insight into the Perez-Granillo lines of Sonora Mexico.
Cap. Don Simon Perez Granillo married to Dona Maria Avila y Bernal had a son also named Simon Perez Granillo.  This Simon married Catharina Enriques Dominguez de Mendoza on A[pril 25, 1694 in Valle de Allende , Chihuahua Mexico.  Catharina was born in New Mexico according to the parish record and Simon was from Sonora, Mexico.
Any chance that this might be a son of Simon Perez-Granillo whose father was Alonso Perz Granillo, --whose father was Francisco Perez Granillo??
Any information that you might know regarding this line would be greatly appreciated.
Luz Montejano Hilton was trying to find my Simon and Catharina Enriquez several years ago.  I have tried to contact her but I hear she has been ill.  I was the connection she was trying to find. 
Thanks if you can help or have any ideas and I hope you are doing well,  I'm pretty sure form all the information that I have collected including books, that this Simon is related to the Francisco/Alonso Perez-Granillo line.
Yolanda Ochoa-Hussey
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GREGORIO CASILLAS Pedigree
  Male  Family
   

________________________________
Event(s):
Birth: 
Christening: 
Death: 
Burial: 
   

________________________________
Parents:
  Father:  SEBERO CASILLAS  Family
  Mother:  FELIPA ROJAS   
   

________________________________
Marriages:
  Spouse:  ELIGIA RIVERA  Family
  Marriage:  26 FEB 1848  Santa Maria Mecatabasco, Villa Del Refugio, Zacatecas, Mexico 
  Husband Age at Marriage:  20 
  Wife Age at Marriage:  17   

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      (Sandra Gomez Mendoza)
  3. Re: Santa Maria Mecatabasco, Villa de Refugio,    Zacatecas
      (Sandra Gomez Mendoza)
  4. Re: Santa Maria Mecatabasco, Villa de Refugio,    Zacatecas
      (Sandra Gomez Mendoza)
  5. Onate/Zaldivar/Mendoza (John Inclan)
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Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 15:08:05 -0800 (PST)
From: Sandra Gomez Mendoza
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Santa Maria Mecatabasco, Villa de
    Refugio,    Zacatecas
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Hola Daniel! Como siempre, que gusto.

My family includes the following:

Grandfather: Jose Pedro Gomez Casillas (born in Juchipila, 1891)

Greatgrandmother: Marciala Casillas (born in Tabasco)
   
Parents: (married in Tabasco)
  Father: Gregorio CASILLAS
  Mother: Eligia RIVERA
   
Grandparents: (unknown where they are from)   
  Father's Father: Sebero CASILLAS
  Father's Mother: Felipa DE ROJAS
  Mother's Father: Sinforiano RIVERA
  Mother's Mother: Ramona LOPES

--- On Mon, 12/1/08, Daniel M?ndez del Camino wrote:

> From: Daniel M?ndez del Camino
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Santa Maria Mecatabasco, Villa de Refugio, Zacatecas
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 1:39 PM
> Hola Sandra,
>      I have research in Villa de Refugio, Zac as well from
> 1776-1930. I have notice that almost everyone came from
> somewhere else. Mecatabasco was a large parish going down to
> Huansco, Zac to Calvillo, Ags
> and west Plateado, Zac your Casillas prob came from one of
> these places. I do have some Casillas but not related from
> Huanusco some miles from Tabasco, Maybe you could give me
> some dates and names, do you know what Ranchos or Haciendas
> they came from? Most of the names are not from Tabasco.
> They're are places, like Huiscolco, Plateado, La Luz,
> Refugio Sauz, Labor are some I can remember off the top of
> my head, we came from LA LUZ. Almost most families went to
> Tabasco to baptize their kids and also get married. -Daniel
> Mdc
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GREGORIO CASILLAS Pedigree
  Male   Family

________________________________
Event(s):
Birth: 
Christening: 
Death: 
Burial: 

________________________________
Parents:
  Father:  SEBERO CASILLAS Family
  Mother:  FELIPA ROJAS  

________________________________
Marriages:
  Spouse:  ELIGIA RIVERA Family
  Marriage:  26 FEB 1848   Santa Maria Mecatabasco, Villa Del Refugio, Zacatecas, Mexico
  Husband Age at Marriage:  20  
  Wife Age at Marriage:  17  

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From: Sandra Gomez Mendoza
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Hola Daniel! Como siempre, que gusto.

My family includes the following:

Grandfather: Jose Pedro Gomez Casillas (born in Juchipila, 1891)

Greatgrandmother: Marciala Casillas (born in Tabasco)
   
Parents: (married in Tabasco)
  Father: Gregorio CASILLAS
  Mother: Eligia RIVERA
   
Grandparents: (unknown where they are from)   
  Father's Father: Sebero CASILLAS
  Father's Mother: Felipa DE ROJAS
  Mother's Father: Sinforiano RIVERA
  Mother's Mother: Ramona LOPES

--- On Mon, 12/1/08, Daniel M?ndez del Camino wrote:

> From: Daniel M?ndez del Camino
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Santa Maria Mecatabasco, Villa de Refugio, Zacatecas
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 1:39 PM
> Hola Sandra,
>      I have research in Villa de Refugio, Zac as well from
> 1776-1930. I have notice that almost everyone came from
> somewhere else. Mecatabasco was a large parish going down to
> Huansco, Zac to Calvillo, Ags
> and west Plateado, Zac your Casillas prob came from one of
> these places. I do have some Casillas but not related from
> Huanusco some miles from Tabasco, Maybe you could give me
> some dates and names, do you know what Ranchos or Haciendas
> they came from? Most of the names are not from Tabasco.
> They're are places, like Huiscolco, Plateado, La Luz,
> Refugio Sauz, Labor are some I can remember off the top of
> my head, we came from LA LUZ. Almost most families went to
> Tabasco to baptize their kids and also get married. -Daniel
> Mdc
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Dear Group, Today while researching the 1856 Aguascalientes bautiso records, I kept coming across entries that read, "los nombres de sus padres, abuelos paternos y maternos se hallan el libro recervado". These were in addition to the usual "hijo natural" entries in the same book. What does these libro recervado entries refer to? Thanks so much, Alice BB

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Sylvia,

I was touched by your comments,
1.that you're pleased that people have responded to your query.
2. that you had some luck with some suggestions to look in San Juan de Los Lagos.
3. that some of your family members had relations from Nochistlan.

Thanks to Joseph Puentes and Arturo Ramos and to all the contributing members of this group, we all take infant steps and learn from each other, with the goal of some day finding our common connections. Eventually you will see that the combination of each baby step propels you to those leaps and bounds that are oh so exciting.

Here's a little rumination I wrote about how I got here to this magical hunt for my ancestors.

Pensamientos de mi suegro, Antonio Carrillo Jauregui,
Thoughts of my Father-inlaw, Antonio Carrillo Jauregui

The years had now passed since my father in-law died
That March of 1985, now seemed so long ago.
my children had grown and I had time to ponder,
who was their abuelo and where did he come from,

Through all the years, I knew not one soul,
who could call him a brother a primo or son,
who raised him, who loved him who taught him to love.
who showed him the values my husband had learned.

My children had their children, we were now abuelos.
what could I tell them, about their bis-abuelo,
where did he come from, who taught him to love,
who were his parents and where did they come from.

One day just by chance, I was scanning on-line,
I googled some names and by chance found roots-web.
I entered his name and the name Tlachichila
and there I found queries from others like me,
who hungered and thirsted, who wanted to know,
where did they come from and who taught them to love.

There were Carrillo's and Jauregui's, Olmos and Avelares
I read and I posted a message in cyber-space,
would this be of value I thought as I wrote,
will anyone read this? will anyone care,
will anyone know that Antonio was here.

The year was 2003, retirement was near
I dreamed of the day I would have time to search.
The message I'd posted in March 2003
was about to take flight, when a stranger named Joseph
would write and would ask, would you please join our group,

If you'd like to know more, come with us on our journey
together we'll learn, together we'll grow.
As a group we are stronger, as a group we are wiser,
and maybe some day you will know of Antonio Carrillo Jauregui,
who loved him, who held him, who taught him to love.

Best New Year wishes to each and every one of you,
Here's wishing you success in your search for your ancestors.

Atentamente;
Alicia, de San Jose, Calif

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From: SylviaRodriguezRobles
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, January 5, 2009 5:13:15 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Teocaltiche and Surrounding Areas

I am so pleased with the response and research tips. I will look at Nochistlan and other locals mentioned to continue my search. Someone mentioned similar points and I found a hit in San Juan De Los Lagos.
Some family members had wifes from Nochistlan surnamed Rosas and Luna. They all immigrated to the US about 1917. The families first settled in Peachsprings, Arizona and then permanently in Needles, CA. Ofcourse over time the first generation has passed away and most descendants now live in other parts of California, Nevada and Arizona and Washington state.
Thank you all so much, this is so much fun!

Sylvia Rodriguez Robles

Hola,
No puedo entrar al Record Search, empieza a cargar la página pero nunca termina, hay alguien que me pueda ayudar, me muero de ganas de entrar para poder buscar a mis ancestros.

Muchas Gracias por su ayuda
Patty

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15147

The above is the link for my spreadsheets as promised on the families that I have extracted, but not linked to my research. These families include Alviso, Ledesma and Jauregui. Although these spreadsheets are not referenced, I do have dates and places noted and other information and will be happy and able to give anyone interested the number of the film that they may be found or in many cases, an actual scan of the document. Just contact me, however, I will be unavailable and offline for the month of February and will be back March 4th. The next two weeks are pretty free as we are having a blizzard and we are basically snowed in!!!! It will take Manny and I at least a day of digging to get us out and that is with a plow.

Please be advised that I use patron interchangeably with sponsor in baptisms or confirmations. The parents are listed in column "a" in bold and underlined. The children are listed underneath the parents, but not in bold. Across from the children are spouses and marriage dates if known. Underneath the spouse, in columns, b, c and d etc. are listed the children of those unions and in some cases the spouses and children of those children.

Please use the Excel "find" (those binoculars) option and put in a partial of the name you are looking for, then just hit next to scroll down through the names. It works really nice as I have tried to put the names in as the are in the documents, but sometimes the document is so hard to read I had to guess at the spelling. For example if you are looking for a Perez married to an Alviso, but "Per" in the find function as Perez may be spelled Peres or Perez. You may get other things not related, but it assures you get all the Perez's. It works if you just want to put some letters in from the middle of the name also, such as "qui" for Pioquinto. And if you are really wanting to look at all those people, you can still just scroll down the sheet.

I know this spreadsheet seems a bit obsessive, but what is really neat about it, is when I go back a generation. I link up one of these orphan families and it really expands my family tree quickly and easily. I look through my records and make sure the data is correct and then just copy and paste the people in. At first I thought oh my goodness, I must be crazy to do this, but when I started hitting pay dirt, this method really paid out.

Now this is months and months of work I am sharing and it was many late nights, so I am not infallible and there may be errors, so please forgive me. My fingers or eyes do not work so good when I am sleepy! I will correct them if the spreadsheet is found to be different from the document. On the birth date, I had to subtract the amount of days from the baptism date and so, I could be a little off. However, so could the priests as my mom-in-law celebrates her birthday on a different day than that which is on her baptismal document. I have not searched for her civil document, but would be curious to know if she has been celebrating on the wrong day for some 86 years!

Now I am still working on the De La Torre's and the Gonzales spreadsheets. I may take me a while as I have been dedicating some time to my own roots.

Good Luck and Happy Hunting

Maureen Bejar