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I have updated my Asebes family tree.

jcvillalo@prodigy.net.mx wrote:

> Dear Joseph, is a pleasure to see the way that the great things happen.
>
> I am very happy to stay in the group, and I like your idea.
> I understand the priority of the Zacatecas, Jalisco and Aguascalientes
> information, but if you thing could be interesting for you, I offer to share
> information from San Luis Potosi, I have found that a lot of families from
> "Los Altos de Jalisco" in the ends of XIX and beginnings of the XX century,
> move to San Luis Potosi.

If you relate the discussion to our area of research just like you did in this email then it is very on topic and can be posted on the research@nuestrosranchos.org list, but if you think your message (your teaching lesson) will be 100% on SLP and not related to our area of research then put it on the general@nuestrosranchos.org list.

So my answer is yes please teach us about SLP as related to Los Altos.

Thank you Cristobal, envíe su lección en inglés o en español pues hay muchos en el grupo que se beneficiará

joseph

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> I Have 6 from my Ggrandparents of 8, that are from
> La Chona, San Juan de Los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno (Villalobos, Quesada,
> Perez, De Alba, Lomelín, Ortiz).and the other two, have relation with
> Zacatecas (Sanchez and Gordoa)
>
>
> If you need other kind of help please let me know.
> Best Regards
> Cristobal Villalobos

Hello everyone,

In answer to Joseph's request that we share more openly the information that each of us possess, I thought I would share a little tidbit that I came across. Many years ago in a passing conversation with my father-in-law the name Guzman came up and he commented that it was of german origin, I had always thought of it as a hispanic name since it is common in Mexico. However, recently I found that my father in law was probably right. In researching my Padilla line I started reading the history of Spain and the term "Godos" kept coming up. If I understood correctly, "Godos" refers to Goths - a germanic tribe. These Goths ruled what is now part of Spain for hundreds of years. With that in mind, it is easy to see why so many "Altenos" are tall and fair skinned.

-Angelina-

Hey gente,
I got back from a Salt Lake City trip a couple of weeks ago and just finished updating my files. Over 95% of my ancestors were from Los Altos de Jalisco. Most of them were from Jalostotitlan, San Juan de los Lagos, San Miguel El Alto & Lagos de Moreno.

Check it out.

Happy Holidays.
Roberto

Dear Rosa:
I could not come up with anything either for Rosario and Trinidad's marriage. We might estimate that they were married when Trinidad was 15 or sixteen years of age. This may or may not be true, but it was common for girls to marry around that age. That would put the marriage around 1909. If you know they were of the Catholic faith and hopefully they were married in Jalostotitlan, then your best bet is to find your nearest LDS history center and order the Catholic marriages film 1905-1913 # 279310 Jalos. Review the film and if it is not there try 1913-1924 279311. There are also civil marriage records, but they appear to be one month of one year each, so it would take more $$$$ and more time. Also, since the marriage was in the early 1900's I have noticed that many of the early 1900 films have not been batched yet, so it would be near to impossible to find a marriage reference online for them. Mind you this is a long shot, but it may be your best bet. I have done some of my research in this manner and sometimes I am overwhelmingly lucky and other times very disappointed.
If you need help in finding more film numbers. Go to the familysearch site main page, click on "library" link at the top of that page and then "library catalog", choose "placename" search and put in Jalostotitlan part of Mexico. Click on the links for civil or church records and then "view film notes" button on the top right. It will give you all the films that might be ordered from Jalos.

Good luck

Maureen

This list compares the names given in records (source: microfilm and
certificates) located for my ancestor, Pioquinta Gonzalez Figueroa, and some
of her children. I am needing to verify if the latest record, the baptism
record that is listed first, is indeed her's. I have placed in bold
lettering the names that I think make the necessary connections. I would
appreciate feedback on this that would help me to determine whether or not I
have found her baptism. The family story has been handed down that
Pioquinta Gonzalez Figueroa was born in Spain of "royalty." Therefore, this
record is critical in possibly disclaiming that story, so I want to be as
sure as possible this is her baptism record before I add this to my family
history. I have extracted only the necessary information. In the baptism
record, even though it reads "infanta india," this is not necessarily
accurate, but it does raise further questions. (Every record in the film in
these early years, label the children as one of two things: ynfante/a
yndio/a or ynfante/a lavorio/a.) I also realize the name Gonzalez is so
common and was commonly given to Indian children at baptism, and the "s" and
"z" are used interchangeably, adding to the necessity of verifying each
piece of information I acquire. Thank-you!

Maria Pia Gonsales, infanta india, nacio en Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco 4
Mayo 1834; bautize 14 Mayo 1834 en la iglesia parroquial de San Diego en la
villa de Huejuquilla; hija natural de Antonia Gonsales, padre no conocido;
abuelos maternos Justo Gonsales y Juana Aragones Vasquaz; padrinos Juana
Gonsales Sota.

Pioquinta Gonzalez, viuda de Cabral, 77 anos de edad, fallecio de "neumonia"
en Guadalajara, Jalisco 20 Mayo 1911; originaria de Huejuquilla, hija
de Ygnacio
Gonzalez y de Antonia Figueroa.

Maria Virginia del Refugio Cabral, nacio en Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco 8
Mayo 1852; bautize 9 Mayo 1852 en la iglesia parroquial de San Diego en la
villa de Huejuquilla; hija legitima de Don Benigno Cabral y Dona Pioquinta
Gonzales; abuelos paternos Don Toribio Cabral y Dona Josefa Limas; abuelos
maternos Dona Antonia Gonzales; padrinos el Presbitero Don Pascual Cabral y
Dona Bernardina Cabral.

Jose Maria Cabral, nacio en Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco 22 Marzo 1855;
bautize 23 Marzo 1855 en la iglesia parroquial de San Diego en la villa de
Huejuquilla; hijo legitimo de Benigno Cabral y Pia Gonsalez; abuelos
paternos Toribio Cabral y Urzula Limas; abuelos maternos Antonia Gonzalez;
padrinos el Presbitero Con Pascual Cabral y Dona Bernardina Cabral.

Jose Felis Cabral, nacio en Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco 19 Noviembre 1856;
bautize 23 Noviembre 1856 en la iglesia parroquial de San Diego en la
parroquia de Huejuquilla; hijo legitimo de Benigno Cabral y Maria Pia
Gonsalez; abuelos paternos Toribio Cabral y Urzula Limas; abuelos
maternos Antonia
Gonsalez; padrinos Don Luis Aguilar y Dona Prudencia Figueroa.

Jose Miguel Cabral, nacio en Guadalajara, Jalisco 25 Septiembre 1867;
bautize 29 Septiembre 1867 en la iglesia parroquial de San Jose de Analco en
la parroquia de San Jose de Analco; hijo legitimo de Benigno Cabral y Pia
Gonzalez; abuelos paternos Toribio Cabral y Urzula Limas; abuelos
maternos Antonio
(Antonia?) Gonzalez; padrinos Victoria Ledesma.

Maria Isabel Cabral, nacio en Guadalajara, Jalisco 15 Julio 1871; bautize 30
Julio 1871 en El Sagrario Metropolitano en la parroquia de El Sagrario
Metropolitano; hija legitima de Domingo (Benigno?) Cabral y Pioquinta
Gonzalez; abuelos paternos Toribio Cabral y Ursula Dimas (Limas?); abuelos
maternos Justo Gonzalez (?) y Antonia Gonzalez; padrinos Justo Raygoza y
Refugio Linares.

Maria Isabel Cabral casado Isaac Alatorre en Guadalajara, Jalisco 18 Junio
1890 en la iglesia de Belen, 18 anos de edad, hija legitima de Benigno
Cabral y Pioquinta Gonzalez.

Francisca Cabral, casado Alberto Martin del Campo en Guadalajara, Jalisco 19
Septiembre 1896 en la parroquia de Santuario de Santa Maria de Guadalupe, 17
anos de edad; hija legitima de Benigno Cabral y Pioquinta Gonzalez.

Francisca Cabral, casado con Alberto Martin del Campo, 56 anos de edad,
fallecio en Guadalajara, Jalisco 20 Octubre 1936; originaria de Guadalajara,
mestiza mexicana, hija de Benigno Cabral y Pioquinta Gonzalez.

Thank-you, again, and please excuse and incorrect Spanish. I'm trying to
practice writing it!
Corrine Ardoin
Santa Maria, California

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MARIA GREGORIA GUADALUPE ZURIANO ESCOVEDO Pedigree
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Event(s):
Birth: 
Christening:  24 MAR 1799   Tepetongo, Zacatecas, Mexico
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Parents:
  Father:  PABLO ZURIANO Family
  Mother:  MARIANA ESCOVEDO  

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Hi all, if anyone has the marriage films, I am wondering if you can help - I just need the parent's names for bride and groom. Can anyone help?

1) MARRIAGE: Cuquio, Jalisco
DATE: 7 Nov 1715
NAMES: Joseph Sanches y Geronima Ortiz

2) MARRIAGE: Cuquio, Jalisco
DATE: 28 Mar 1725
NAMES: Jose Felis & Gertrudis Sanches

2.  MARIA4DE ONATE was born 14 Feb 1542 in San Miguel. Valladolid, Spain, and died in Vitoria. Guipuzcoa, Spain.  She married RUYDIAZ-DE-SALDIVAR2in Vitoria, Guipuzcoa, Spain, son of JUANMARTINEZ-DE-ZALDIVARand MARIADE EGUILETA.  He was born in Vitoria, Guipuzcoa, Spain.
 
Notes for MARIADE ONATE:
Source: Mil Familias III by Rodolfo Gonzalez de la Garza. Page 416.
 
Notes for RUYDIAZ-DE-SALDIVAR: A.K.A. Rodrigo Diaz de Saldivar.
Source: Mil Familias III by Rodolfo Gonzalez de la Garza. Page 416.
       
Children of MARIADE ONATEand RUYDIAZ-DE-SALDIVARare:
                   i.       MAESE DE CAMPOJUAN5DE SALDIVAR-Y-ONATE, b. Vitoria, Guipuzcoa, Spain; m. MARINAMENDOZA-DE-MARIN, Zacatecas, Mexico; b. Mexico City, F.D., Mexico.
 
Notes for MAESE DE CAMPOJUANDE SALDIVAR-Y-ONATE:
In 1540, he headed an expedition from Nueva Galicia to Florida. Source:Historia del Nuevo Reino de Leon by Eugenio del Hoyo.
New Mexico's First Colonists, compiled and arranged by David H. Snow.
 
Marriage Notes for JUANDE SALDIVAR-Y-ONATEand MARINAMENDOZA-DE-MARIN:
Mil Familias III by Rodolfo Gonzalez de la Garza. Page 326.
Fundadores de Nueva Galicia - Guadalajara - Tomo I, by Guillermo Garmendia Leal. Page 10 and 70.
 
                  ii.    LT. CAPTAIN GENERALVICENTEDE SALDIVAR-Y-ONATE3, b. Vitoria, Guipuzcoa, Spain; d. 20 Feb 1635/36, Ciudad Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Mexico; m. MAGDALENADE MENDOZA-SALAZAR, Abt. 1568, Zacatecas, Mexico; b. Granada, Spain.
 
Notes for LT. CAPTAIN GENERALVICENTEDE SALDIVAR-Y-ONATE:
He was the lieutenant captain general of the Viceroy, Don Martin Enriquez de Almanza.
This viceroy's served the king of Spain from November 5, 1568 to October 3, 1580.
Source: From the book's, Don Juan de Onate Colonizer of New Mexico by George P. Hammond and Northern New Spain, A research Guide by Thomas C. Barnes, Thomas H, Nayor, And Charles W. Polzer.
 
 
 
                 iii.       ALONSODE SALDIVAR-Y-ONATE, m. ISABELDE VERGARA.
                 iv.       DIEGODE SALDIVAR-Y-ONATE.
 
 
3.  COUNTCRISTOBAL4DE NAHARRIONDO-PEREZ-DE-ONATE(JUAN3PEREZ-DE-ONATE, CRISTOBAL2PEREZ-DE-NARRIAHONDO, PEDRO1DE BAEZA)was born Abt. 1500 in Onate, Guipuzcoa, Spain, and died 06 Oct 1567 in Panuco, Zacatecas, Mexico.  He married CATALINASALAZAR-DE-CADENA1545 in Spain, daughter of GONZALODE SALAZARand CATALINADE-LA-CADENA-Y-MALVENA.  She was born Abt. 1510 in Granada, Andalusia, Spain, and died in Panuco, Zacatecas, Mexico?.
 
Notes for COUNTCRISTOBALDE NAHARRIONDO-PEREZ-DE-ONATE:
In 1524, he and his family arrived in Mexico. By 1526, he was an official in Mexico City.
In the summer of 1539, he gave his friend, Coronado, two handsome horses. Only one horse survived Coronado's long expedition.
Hero of the Mixton War.
Inspector of finances for Nueva Galicia. In 1540 he succeeded Coronado as Governor of Nuevo Galicia, New Spain (Mexico). Guadalajara was it's capital city.
In 1548, Don Cristobal was one of the  founders and the wealthiest silver miner of Zacatecas, Mexico. Father of Juan de Onate, the celebrated founder of New Mexico
During the era of the Viceroy Don Antonio de Mendoza, he was the Conquistador of Suchilila.
Source: From the book's,
New Mexico Royal Road by Max L. Moorhead;
Origen de los Fundadores de Texas, Nuevo Mexico, Coahuila, y Nuevo Leon, by Guillermo Garmendia Leal. (page 66 & 67).
Coronado, Knight of Pueblos and Plains by Herbert Eugene Bolton;
The Last Conquistador, Juan de Onate and the Settling of the far Southwest, by Marc Simmons.
New Mexico's First Colonists, compiled and arranged by David H. Snow.
Glory, God, and Gold, edited by Lewis Gannett.
With All Arms by Carl Laurence Duaine;
Historia del Nuevo Reino de Leon, by Eugenio del Hoyo.
and the Texas Handbook Online.
A.K.A. Cristobal de Onate y Narria.
 
Notes for CATALINASALAZAR-DE-CADENA:
Her grand-parents were members of the royal court of King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella of Spain.
Source: With all Arms by Carl Laurence Duaine.
Her father was the lieutenant governor of all of New Spain and factor of the Royal treasury in Mexico.
Source: From the book, Don Juan de Onate Colonizer of New Mexico, by George P. Hammond.
Dona Catalina was twice married. 1st. Don Ruy Diaz de Mendoza. 2nd.Governor Cristobal de Onate.
In the book,The Last Conquistador, Juan de Onate and the settling of the far Southwest, the author,
Marc Simmons, list her 1st husband as Don Ruy Diaz de Mendoza.
>From both of her marriages, she left descendents who now live in Texas.
Source: Origen de los Fundadores de Texas, Nuevo Mexico, Coahuila, y Nuevo Leon, Saltillo Tomo II, by
Guillermo Garmendia Leal. Page 66.
Glory, God, and Gold, edited by Lewis Gannett.
       
Children of CRISTOBALDE NAHARRIONDO-PEREZ-DE-ONATEand CATALINASALAZAR-DE-CADENAare:
                   i.       ALCALDE MAYORFERNANDO5DE ONATE, b. Panuco, Zacatecas, Mexico; d. Tacambaro, Michoacan, Mexico; m. LEONORDE RIVADENEIRA-Y-MERIDA.
 
Notes for ALCALDE MAYORFERNANDODE ONATE:
Source:Origen de los Fundadores de Texas, Nuevo Mexico, Coahuila, y Nuevo Leon, Saltillo Tomo II, by
Guillermo Garmendia Leal. Page 67.
A History of New Mexico by Gaspar Perez de Villagra, Alcala - 1610, translated by Gilberto Espinosa.
 
Notes for LEONORDE RIVADENEIRA-Y-MERIDA:
A.K.A, Dona Leonor Riva de Neira.
 
                  ii.       MARIADE ONATE-SALAZAR, m. JOSE-ANTONIODE ORDAZ; d. Puebla, Mexico.
                 iii.       ANTONIADE PEREZ-DE-ONATE-SALAZAR, b. Panuco, Zacatecas, Mexico; m. BERNARDOVASQUEZ-DE-TAPIA, Panuco, Zacatecas, Mexico.
 
Notes for BERNARDOVASQUEZ-DE-TAPIA:
His niece, Dona Guiomar Vasquez de Espinosa, was married to Don Luis Cortez. (Hernan Cortez's son).
 
                 iv.       CATHALINADE PEREZ-DE-ONATE-SALAZAR, b. Panuco, Zacatecas, Mexico.
                  v.       LUISPEREZ-DE-ONATE.
                 vi.       ALONSODE ONATE, b. Panuco, Zacatecas, Mexico; d. New Mexico ?; m. INESDE RIVADENEIRA.
 
Notes for ALONSODE ONATE:
In the book's, Origins of New Mexico Families by Fray Angelico Chavez, and The Last Conquistador by Marc Simmons, it is stated that he is the yougest of the brothers.
A History of New Mexico by Gaspar Perez de Villagra, Alcala - 1610, translated by Gilberto Espinosa.
and in the book, Don Juan de Onate, Colonizer of New Mexico, by George P. Hammond, Don Alonso is listed as a brother.
 
 
                vii.       CRISTOBALPEREZ-DE-ONATE, b. 1552, Panuco, Zacatecas, Mexico.
 
Notes for CRISTOBALPEREZ-DE-ONATE:
Twin brother to Juan de Onate.
Attended the University of Salamanca, Spain.
No further information has been found on his life.
Source: From the books, Portraits of Basques in the New World, edited by Richard W. Etulain and Heronima Echeverria.
A History of New Mexico by Gaspar Perez de Villagra, Alcala - 1610, translated by Gilberto Espinosa.
 
               viii.       GOVERNORJUANPEREZ-DE-ONATE, b. 1552, Panuco, Zacatecas, Mexico; d. Abt. 03 Jun 1626, Guadalcanal, Spain; m. ISABELDE TOLOSA-CORTEZ-MOCTEZUMA, Abt. 1588, Panuco, Zacatecas, Mexico; b. Mexico City, F.D., Mexico; d. 1620, Panuco, Zacatecas, Mexico.
 
Notes for GOVERNORJUANPEREZ-DE-ONATE:
Explorer and founder of the first European colony in the upper Rio Grande valley of New Mexico.
 
Twin brother to Cristobal de Onate.
In 1567, at 15 years of age, he took over the responsibility of managing his family properties
and mining business.
On August 27, 1592, the Viceroy of New Spain, named him as alcalde mayor of San Luis Potosi.
In July 23, 1596, at the mines of Avino, Durango, he organized his force that would be part of the
entrada into New Mexico. Source:A History of New Mexico by Gaspar Perez de Villagra, Alcala - 1610, translated by Gilberto Espinosa.
On April 30, 1598, as Conquistador and in the name of King Felipe II of Spain, he took possession of all the kingdoms and provinces of New Mexico. His explorations extended from the Colorado River to the plains of Kanasa.
>From 1598 to 1607, he served as governor of New Mexico.
By 1607, he had lost favor with the Spanish government, and on August 24, 1607, he resigned his post. Source:Kiva, Cross, and Crown by John L. Kessell.
He was the first to give the name "Apache" to the indian tribe of New Mexico. A Zuni word for "Enemy".
Exiled from New Mexico, he returned to Spain.
In in Spain, and on October 4, 1625, he signed his last will and testament.
He was both, uncle and cousin to Juan and Vicente de Saldivar. Cousin to Fray Cristobal de Salazar.
Source:From the book's;
A History of New Mexico by Gaspar Perez de Villagra, Alcala - 1610, translated by Gilberto Espinosa.
Arizona, A History by Thomas E. Sheridan.
Origen de los Fundadores de Texas, Nuevo Mexico, Coahuila, y Nuevo Leon,
by Guillermo Garmendia Leal.
Coronado, Knight of Pueblos and Plains by Herbert Eugene Bolton
Spanish Texas 1519 - 1821 by Donald E Chipman.
Great River - The Rio Grande in North American History by Paul Horgan.
Historia del Nuevo Reino de Leon, by Eugenio del Hoyo.
The Last Conquistador, Juan de Onate and the settling of the far Southwest, by Marc Simmons.
Beyond the Frontier, Exploring the Indian Country, by Stan Hoig.
Northern New Spain, A Research Guide by Thomas C. Barnes, Thomas H. Naylor and Charles W. Polzer.
Mexico's Miguel Caldera, the Taming of America's First Frontier (1548-1597) by Philip Eayne Powell.
Nueva Vizcaya, Heartland of the Spanish Frontier, by Oakah L. Jones, Jr.
Portraitsof Basques in the New World, edited by Richard W. Etulain and Heronima Echeverria.
New Mexico's First Colonists, compiled and arranged by David H. Snow.
Glory, God, and Gold, edited by Lewis Gannett.
Rio del Norte by Carroll L. Riley
The Texas Handbook Online.
 
A.K.A. Juan de Onate y Salazar and Juan de Onate.
 
Notes for ISABELDE TOLOSA-CORTEZ-MOCTEZUMA:
Grand-daughter to Hernan Cortez and great-grand-daughter of Moctezuma, Emperor of the Aztec.
Her father, Captain Juanes de Tolosa, was a prominent figure in the conquest and settlement of Nueva Galicia, New Spain. (Mexico)
Her death in 1594, is mentioned in the book, Land of the Conquistadores by Cleve Hallenbrek.
Source:Historia de la Nueva Mexico, 1610, by Gaspar Perez de Villagra.
Spanish Texas 1519 - 1821 by Donald E Chipman.
Source:The Last Conquistador, Juan de Onate and the settling of the far Southwest, by Marc Simmons.
Kiva, Cross, and Crown, the Pecos indians and New Mexico 1540-1840 by John L. Kessell.
Glory, God, and Gold, edited by Lewis Gannett.
The Texas Handbook Online.
 
 
Marriage Notes for JUANPEREZ-DE-ONATEand ISABELDE TOLOSA-CORTEZ-MOCTEZUMA:
Marriage source:Origen de los Fundadores de Texas, Nuevo Mexico, Coahulia, y Nuevo Leon, by Guillermo Garmendia Leal. (page 66).
The Last Conquistador, Juan de Onate and the settling of the far Southwest, by Marc Simmons.
 
 
4.  JUAN4PEREZ-DE-ONATE-GONZALEZ(JUAN3PEREZ-DE-ONATE, CRISTOBAL2PEREZ-DE-NARRIAHONDO, PEDRO1DE BAEZA)was born Abt. 1501, and died Aft. 1537 in Peru.
 
Notes for JUANPEREZ-DE-ONATE-GONZALEZ:
In 1537, he left for Peru.
Source: Historia del Nuevo Reino de Leon 1577 - 1723, by Eugenio del Hoyo.
 
       
Child of JUANPEREZ-DE-ONATE-GONZALEZis:
                   i.       CRISTOBAL5DE ONATE, d. 08 Jan 1567/68, Madrid, Spain.
 
Notes for CRISTOBALDE ONATE:
On May 5, 1567 - January 8, 1568, he was tried for conspiracy against the King of Spain. During his trial, he was tortured. Found guilty, he was executed.
The Harkness Collection in the Library of Congress. Manuscripts concerning Mexico. A Guide.
Library of Congress, US manuscript division, Washington, D.C.

Barbara,

I believe that you are seeking Agualeguas. It isthe name of a Ciudad and
one of the 51 Municipios of the Estado de Nuevo Leon.

It was erected as a village in 1821 and the 2000 census reported that
Agualeguas (the city) had 4,492 inhabitants.

Efrain Conrique
San Diego, California

> [Original Message]
> From: Barbara/Red Chedester
> To:
> Date: 11/30/2008 5:58:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nuestros Ranchos -
EnriquezRomoFamiliainJalostotitlan, Jalisco
>
> Thanks so much. I don't think these are mine. They were b Sombrete
> Zacztecas, so doubt if NL is close to there. tks. bc
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Veronica Rahorn"
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 7:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nuestros Ranchos - Enriquez
> RomoFamiliainJalostotitlan, Jalisco
>
>
> > NL is Nuevo Leon.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: " Barbara/Red Chedester"
> > To:
> > Sent: 30 November, 2008 17:37
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nuestros Ranchos - Enriquez Romo
> > FamiliainJalostotitlan, Jalisco
> >
> >
> >>I found some of mine at Aqualequas NL. Do you know what state NL is?
> >>tks,
> >>bc
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Rosa Gonzalez"
> >> To:
> >> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 6:30 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nuestros Ranchos - Enriquez Romo
Familia
> >> inJalostotitlan, Jalisco
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hi. I'm new to this wonderful site and was hoping that someone would
be
> >>> able to assist me. I'm at a roadblock in a family mystery for my
> >>> paternal
> >>> grandfather J. Rosario Enriquez b. abt 1890 Jalostotitlan, Jal. I
found
> >>> the
> >>> gravesite for his wife/my paternal grandmother Maria Trinidad Romo b.
3
> >>> Mar
> >>> 1894 Jalostotitlan, Jal., d. 26 Jan 1988 Jalostotitlan, Jal.
> >>>
> >>> I've asked family about him; however, no one seems to know anything
> >>> about
> >>> him. I've searched Ancestry.com and FamilySearch.com, etc... Does
> >>> anyone
> >>> have the marriage films? I would like to obtain a copy of my
> >>> grandparents
> >>> marriage certificate or at minimum the information on the marriage
> >>> record.
> >>> Does anyone have any other ideas? With much appreciation!
> >>> Rosa
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> >>> [mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of JOSE
> >>> FELIX
> >>> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 4:04 PM
> >>> To: research@ nuestros ranchos.com
> >>> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] CUQUIO Jalisco - SANCHEZ, ORTIZ, FELIZ
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hola Prima:
> >>> Resien estoy Viendo mis Emails ,Despues de unas muy meresidas
Vacaciones
> >>> ,y
> >>> que gran sorpresa me estoy llevando ,de que tus ancestros son tambien
> >>> los
> >>> mios, mi linea directa es Felis.y si ,Joseph Felis y Gertrudis Sanches
> >>> ,fueron mis Great-Great Parents Novena generacion.
> >>> Yo tengo los Microfilms que tu estas buscando , #0617581 Matrimonios
> >>> 1711-1762 Cuquio Jal. y# 0615009 Bautizmos 1666-1726 Cuquio Jal.y con
> >>> gusto
> >>> te boy a mandar copias de las actas de nuestros ancestros a partir de
> >>> Jose
> >>> Felis y Gertrudis Sanches.
> >>> Por mientras te doy estos datos :
> >>> Joseph Felis Nacio en Cuquio Jal.el 03 Dec.1714.
> >>> Hijo de Antonio Felis y de Ysabel De Vargas.
> >>> Matrimonio de Joseph Felis y Gertrudis Sanches fue el 06 May 1746
Cuquio
> >>> Jal.
> >>> Gertrudis Sanches nacio el 28 Mar 1725 Hija de Joseph Sanches y de
> >>> Geronima
> >>> Ortiz Cuquio Jal.
> >>> Ysabel de Vargas nacio el 25 Jul 1691 Hija de Nicolas de Vargas y de
> >>> Maria
> >>> De la Rosa Cuquio Jal.
> >>> Es hasta donde he investigado .El mes pasado fui a visitar el Pueblo
de
> >>> Cuquio y Yahualica Jal. y todavia existen los Ranchos ,de La Labor de
> >>> San
> >>> Ygnacio y Apozol ,que actualmente pertenecen a Yahualica Jal. Lugar
> >>> donde
> >>> nacieron Joseph Felis y Gertrudis Sanches.
> >>> Hasta luego
> >>> Jose Luis Felix (Felis)
> >>> Perris Ca.
> >>>> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> From:
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> >>> Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 21:42:10 -0800> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos]
> >>> CUQUIO
> >>> Jalisco - SANCHEZ, ORTIZ, FELIZ> > > Hi all, if anyone has the
marriage
> >>> films, I am wondering if you can help - I just need the parent's names
> >>> for
> >>> bride and groom. Can anyone help?> > 1) MARRIAGE: Cuquio, Jalisco>
DATE:
> >>> 7
> >>> Nov 1715 > NAMES: Joseph Sanches y Geronima Ortiz> > 2) MARRIAGE:
> >>> Cuquio,
> >>> Jalisco> DATE: 28 Mar 1725 > NAMES: Jose Felis & Gertrudis
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FRANCISCA ORTIZ Pedigree
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  Spouse:  TEODORO ESCOVEDO Family
  Marriage:  21 MAY 1888   Guadalupe De Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Mexico

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Hola primos, alguien me podria decir el nombre del autor, editorial, año de impresion, etc. del Libro de la Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara?
Muchas gracias

Ricardo

Robert,

I thought I had lots of Escobedos [Escovedo] in my lines, but I see I have mostly Acevedos.

However, I did find one Escovedo. She was Mariana de Escovedo, an espanola (Spanish), who married a Pablo Jose Suriano, a mulato, around 1797, probably in Tepetongo or Salitrillo. That means she might have been born around 1777. Mariana was also listed in her children's birth records under various names such as Maria Ana Guadalupe [Mata] or [Flores] or [De La Torre]. This has made it hard for me to find her birth record so I don't know who her parents were or where she was born. I suspect her mother may have been a Mata or Flores or a Delatorre; those families were as prominent in Zacatecas as the Escovedos. Sometimes they used only their mother's surname.

In the pilot site for Family Search, they have transcribed the records for Tlaltenango, Tepechitlan, and Pinos in Zacatecas, and many Escovedos are listed in those communities. I might find Mariana when they get to transcribing the Monte Escobedo and other films. If her record was lost or among those not filmed, then I am out of luck.

It is interesting to me that you have relatives from Guadalupe. My father's sister Soledad Olague was born there. My father Guadalupe Olague was born in Jerez in 1903. The birth records from that time were lost during the Revolution. My grandfather Francisco Olague and his brother Ygnacio and their brother in law Jose Davila Garcia were conscripted into some army, I don't know which side, and were scheduled to be executed by firing squad but Jose's wife, sister of Francisco and Ygnacio, appealed to someone and they let them all leave on the train bound for Chihuahua City and the El Paso, Texas border. That was in 1913 when my father was 10 years old. None of them ever went back to Mexico.

I will do some research and see if I can find any ancestors and descendants of my Mariana Escobedo and see if she had a common ancestor among your ancestors. I'll let you know.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

I am interested to know if anyone is familiar with the terrain of Zacatecas and the ranchos nearby. Mariano Esparza was from an area called Corro in Zacatecas. I am having difficulty finding Corro on the map of Zacatecas. If anyone has any information or any family line that trace to the Corro area or Noria de los angeles please write back.

Daniel Briones

Hi everyone. I am fairly new to this site and looking for anyone with Escobedo's in their family tree. I have my genealogy traced back to around 1820 but have not had much luck getting more information. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

Robert Escobedo

Does anyone out there in nuestros ranchos have a family tree of Hernan's decendents down to the year 1750 only? Gracias...........

I am intrigued with this thread, as I believe that there was a migration
pattern from Michoacan to Jalisco and Zacatecas. Where the initial migration
began and ended is unsure...but it does not seem an impossibility that such
migration(s) existed. I believe Emilie has made a connection with families from
Michoacan to Jalisco. Interesting, as not too long ago, some relatives from
the "Altos" considered those from the western part of Michoacan part of the
"Altos" family....wondering if they knew something that our records and DNA
can't prove.

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What do folks know about the historical relationship between our area of
research (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes) and Guanajuato?

Yes I understand that is such a general question but really any of your
thoughts would be appreciated.

thanks,

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

Just a small heads up:

Family Tree Magazine in their January 2009 Issue (the one at the newsstands now) they have article at tracing Mexican Ancestry. I haven't had the time to really sit down and read it word for word. But the little that I read, seemed pretty good.

Jonathan

Hola Danny ,how are you ? my name is Ronnie Reynoso , my people are from Los Altos ,my Grandparents are from the area of San Julian (near san Miguel el Alto). I was looking at your chart and saw Alejo Reynoso and Wife . I have Alejos connection all the way to Spain . Alejo Reynoso is part of the Reynoso Clan . The Majority (98%) of Reynosos are related(Zacatecas,Jalisco and Aguascalientes) and from the same root.
your new Cousin
Ronnie Reynoso

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My name is Nick Perez and I am looking for any Bugarin roots from Zacatecas. My grand father Miguel Bugarin was born near Atolinga Zacatecas and he owned a rancho called La Noria. He died in 1952 in Atolinga. He was aproximately 42 years old.
Any leads will be greatly appreciated.

Danny I just got a chance to view your submission, what a wonderful job you did of putting together your lineage and to have so many family photos is amazing. You have obviously worked very hard to collect and document.

Thank you for sharing, makes me wish I had family from your part of Mexico since there are so many in Nuestrosranchos from there..

again, well done!

Linda in Everett

I was looking at a film in the 1741 time frame for Zacatecas, Zacatecas
for Confirmations. Was the person sponsoring the person being confirmed
also called a Padrino? I thought that was just for Godparents at the
baptism? The records I was looking at mostly only had a single person
sponsoring them wasn't there suppose to be two sponsors? Was the sponsor
a serious commitment like it was to be a Godparent in that many times
they chose a family member to be the sponsor?

http://h2opodcast.com/nr/misc/Ahijados.JPG
(in this picture above is this for confirmations or baptism, did they
call the confirmed an Ahijado? I thought that meant Godchild).

maybe that film had information about baptisms as well,

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

Iti is my pleasure to introduce a Miguel Angel Muñoz Borrego to the
group. He has been a member for a few months and his genealogy file is
listed here: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/16979 His email addres
is: miguel.munoz15@hotmail.com Mr. Muñoz Borrego is in charge of all the
archives for the state of Coahuila. The reason this can be important to
the members of the nuestrosranchos.org group is that our relatives
traveling north from Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes most
likely traveled via the Ruta de Plata and that road traveled directly to
Saltillo, Coahuila. Many traveled North and also traveled to the mines
in Monterrey and other locations. Mr. Muñoz Borrego has commented that
he can help individuals researching outside our area of research along
the Ruta de Plata. He not only knows about his state of Coahuila, but is
well informed with Nuevo Leon as well as Jalisco, Zacatecas, and
Aguascalientes. Of special interest to those traveling to Mexico might
be that Mr. Muñoz Borrego is very familiar with the other heads of the
archives in Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes.

Tengo el gusto de presentar al Señor Miguel Angel Muñoz Borrego al
grupo. El ha sido miembro desde hace varios meses y su archivo
genealogico se encuentra en este sitio:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/16979 . Su correo electronico es:
miguel.munoz15@hotmail.com El Señor Muñoz Borrego es el encargado de
todos los archivos del Estado de Coahuila. La razón por lo cual tener
conocimiento de su posicion puede ser importante para los miembros del
grupo nuestrosranchos.org, es porque nuestros familiares viajaban desde
los Estados de Jalisco, Zacatecas y/o Aguascalientes, rumbo al Norte por
La Via de La Plata. Ese camino pasaba directamente por Saltillo,
Coahuila. Muchos de nuestros familiares viajaron rumbo al Norte, también
a las minas de Monterrey y otros lugares vecinos. El Señor Muñoz Borrego
ha comentado que el está dispuesto ayudar a personas que estén
investigando fuera de nuestra area de investigación, a investigar en las
cercanias de "La Ruta de La Plata". El tiene amplios conocimientos, no
tan solo del Estado de Coahuila, sino tambien de Nuevo Leon, Jalisco,
Zacatecas, y Aguascalientes. De interés especial para las personas que
viajan a Mexico, es bueno e importante saber que el Señor Muñoz Borrego
está familiarizado con otros encargados de archivos en Jalisco,
Zacatecas y Aguascalientes.

joseph

ps: Muchisimas gracias a Welester Alvarado por la ayuda en various
proyectos y el estimilo para reconocer personas en el grupo.

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Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

The following is not about genealogy, but about some contemporary (i.e., 20th century) Mexican culture.
The Smithsonian's National Museum of American History (NMAH), in Washington, DC, has undergone some extensive renovation and is scheduled to re-open on Nov 21. The section on Popular Culture will now be called "Thanks For the Memories", and one of the exhibits will feature "Cantinflas". Those of you of a certain age may remember a Mexican comedian named Cantinflas who appeared in many Mexican films, mostly in the '40's and '50's, and also appeared in the US film "Around the World in 80 Days". You can read more about the overall museum renovations here:
http://americanhistory.si.edu/

and you can read about the Smithsonian's Latino Center here:
http://latino.si.edu/aboutus/

Natalie Coleman