Familia Quezada.

Hola compañeros, desde hace varios días que se encuentra en el foro discuciones e información sobre personas de apellido Quezada; y hoy me di a la tarea de buscar a todas las personas Quezada que tengo en mi base de datos y que no les he podido seguir la línea.

Me gustaría saber si alguno de ustedes tiene mas datos de los siguientes Quezada:

1.- Lorenzo Quezada, cónyuge de Felipa Ortiz, vecinos de San Juan de los Lagos, aprox. en 1695.
2.- Diego Manuel Quezada, quien casó el 01 de enero de 1766 en Cuquío, con María Segunda García.
3.- Leonarda Quezada, esposa de José del Refugio Alvarado, vecinos de Acatic, Jalisco aprox. en 1920.
4.- Silvestre Quezada, cónyuge de Jacinta Gómez, vecinos de Tepatitlán de Morelos, aprox. en 1780.

Espero y alguien me pueda ayudar, y si en algo puedo ayudar a ustedes, con mucho gusto lo haré.

Saludos.Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
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dna testing

I just learned the www.familytreedna.com has a December sale on at least some of their test kits when purchased through one of the projects (you can generally fit yourself into one of the posted projects. There is a Mexican Surname Project and lots of specific surname and geographic projects.) The Y-DNA37w/ mtDNAPlus kit is $199 (I paid over $300), and the Y-67DNAw/mtDNAPlus kit is $308. I don't know what the latter one was before, but that represents a good savings. I only wish I had known about their apparently traditional December-only sales.
I have been very satisfied with the results and the availability of knowledgeable people to answer questions. So far my results indicate a European haplogroup for my Ruiz line (R1b1b2a1a), and 3 Native American lines (Q and mtdna haplogroups B and C).
So if you have thought about having it done, you may want to take advantage of the sale. (Who knew they would have a "sale"?)

Sobre Retrato de Martin Casillas el Alarife.

Hola a Todos:

Gracias a Jorge Luis por contestarme, aqui comento lo siguiente:
En mensajes atras Jorge Luis mando la reproduccion de lo que parece
ser el retrato del Alarife Martin Casillas, constructor de la Santa Catedral
de Guadalajara, Jalisco, este retrato viene en el libro o cuadernillo del
ya fallecido Jose Alberto Casillas, sobre su familia los Casillas, pero
tambien yo (Como muchos se han de preguntar) me pregunte de donde
habia sacado Jose Alberto Casillas ese retrato, ya que en su libro no
lo dice, y yo he tenido la idea desde hace tiempo de lo siguiente, yo
compre el libro sobre los casillas en una papeleria en Tepa, donde hace
años trabajaba mi sobrina Julissa Joey Guzman Velazquez (prima
hermana de Juan Jose Padilla Guzman que tu conoces Jorge Luis),
ella me dijo que alli vendian ese libro de Jose Alberto Casillas, es una
papeleria que esta poor lo que ustedes llaman el barrio alto de Tepa,
cerca de donde esta la Prepa, no recuerdo el nombre de la papeleria,
bueno desde que fui a comprar el libro, el dueño de la papeleria, me
comento que desde hace años vendia ese libro, de los pocos que
edito el propio Jose Alberto, que a pear de ser un libro muy interesante
e importantisimo para la genealogia de Tepa y los altos, y a pesar
de haber pocos libros, a la gran mayoria no le interesan, y me comento
el dueño de la papeleria que ya tenia varios años vendiendo esos
pocos libros, y que creia que se le hiban a vender pronto, pero que
pasaron los años y casi nadie compra el libro, el mismo dia que compre
el libro de los Casillas, le pregunte si tenia mas libros similares, y
me dijo que solo tenia el tomo 3 de la serie de libros sobre la historia
de Tepatitlan, que tambien escribio y edito Jose Alberto Casillas, y
yo le dije de mi interes de tener la serie completa y otros libros del
propio autor, y me dijo que el iba a preguntar a la familia del
difunto Jose Alberto si tenia mas copias de sus libros para vender,
y como pasa el tiempo, ya pasaron varios años y no he regresado
a preguntar si pudo conseguir la serie completa y otros libros de
Jorge Alberto Casillas, pero tambien estube pensando, que a ver
si podia ir directamente con la familia del difunto Jose Alberto, no
se si la direccion que viene en el libro sea actual, o preguntarle al
dueño de la papeleria para que me de los datos de la familia y ver
si ellos me pueden vender los libros o en su defecto me dejen
sacar copias fotostaticas de los libros y escritos del difunto que
de seguro tendran en su biblioteca particular, y a la vez preguntarles
a sus familiares, si ellos saben de donde, de que fuente saco
Jose Alberto ese retrato del Alarife Martin Casillas, al estar fisicamente
lejos de Tepa, no lo he podido hacer, pero te doy la idea a ti Jorge Luis
para ver si tu lo puedes hacer, y asi enterarnos de esa incognita y
a su vez tener mas literatura que nos ayude en nuestra investigacion
Genealogica, creo que lei en el propio libro de Jose Alberto, ccreo que
en el prologo en las pastas el curriculum del difunto, que estudio y
fue periodista en la ciudad de Mexico, y luego, no se si por jubilacion
o poi retir voluntario, regreseo a su terruño, Tepatitlan y fue alli
donde se dedico a enaltecer la cultura de Tepa, y asi como escribio
varios libros sobre tepa, fue imulsor de su cultura, y creo que fue
el fundador de la Casa de Cultura de Tepa, donde esta la biblioteca,
alli en el centro de Tepa.

Tambien te comento Jorge Luis, que hace apenas unos pocos
meses, en una reunion, cerca de Pegueros, comente sonbre mi
interes en la Genealogia, y alguna persona de la reunion me dijo
que alli en Pegueros habia un reconocido investigador sobre la
genealogia en Pegueros, que le decian "El Birria" o "El Birrias",
que era muy conocido alli en Pegueros, y que el conocia o sabia
mucho de la Genealogia en Pegueros, y desde entonces tambien
he tenido la inquietud de buscarlo, para intercambiar informacion
pero tampoco lo he podido hacer, no se si tu Jorge Luis, quisieras
o puedas buscarlo a ver que investigas.

--
Saludos desde Guadalajara:

Tomas Alejandro Villegas Gomez

Casillas GEDCOM available- Los Altos de Jalisco/ and beyond, DNA info also for Alvarez, Ramirez

Greetings,

My GEDCOM is now available under Aaron Casillas.

Notables =
1) Martin "Alarife" Casillas
    a) Spainard who built the Cathedral in Guadalajara, according to Jose Alberto Casillas, related to Viceroy Mendoza
    b) Martin is also Miguel Hidalgo's maternal side family member...

2) Jose Maria Casillas, Gonzalez de Hermosillo (insurgent)

(R1b) Casillas DNA Work completed /  Celtic (most likely the Spanish Netherlands, same place Carlos 5th was born)
http://www.ysearch.org/alphalist_view.asp?uid=&letter=C&lastname=Casill…

Some last names vascillate as it was the custom for women to sometimes use their grandmothers last names.  Truncation of last names also occured;such as the name of "Casillas" as is the "de la torre" family from los Altos de Jalisco...they would originally be "Casillas de la Torre", or synthisis like Gonzalez, de Hermosillo becomes Gonzalez de Hermosillo. Or Cabrera becomes "y Cabrera" or "de Cabrera."

Casillas Pedigree Chart
http://www.ysearch.org/gedcom_show.asp?uid=&viewuid=FWRJ5

(I1a) Alvarez (Aifursson) DNA Work completed /Nordic Viking Visigoth
http://www.ysearch.org/alphalist_view.asp?uid=&letter=A&lastname=Alvare…

(old J2f1) Ramirez  DNA Work completed / Adriatic Troy/ Founders of Rome
http://www.ysearch.org/alphalist_view.asp?uid=&letter=R&lastname=Ramire…

Mothers Mothers
mtDNA= "D" Native Meso American"  Aztec/Apache/Cherokee/Toltec/Peruvian

My source of work comes from
1) Alberto Jose Casillas book "Casillas"
2) Ricardo Rodrigo, whose a currently researching all families and origins from el Valle de Guadalupe and has also verfied and completed dna sampling from various families.  Includes actual Birth Certificates
3) Family lore, father told me we were descendants of Jose Maria and Martin "Alarife" Casillas, lore that we are descendant of Germanic people.
4) Lore that the Spainards were tongue in cheek Catholics, a touch of Celtic paganism, ever heard of a "Dwinde?" or "Nuevo Galicia?"
5) Oxford University/ Oxford Ancestors Paternal and maternal tests. Fathers are from the "Oisin Clan"
6) National Geographic, DNA testing for paternal, maternal,mothers fathers, mothers mothers fathers, mother fathers mother...

Photos Scans available upon request of :
Martin "Alarife" Casillas
Panfilo Casillas and Viscenta Gomez Casillas
Casillas heraldry matching Spanish Netherlands Celts "Carlos the 5th" administrators in Mexico
Quintin Casillas and Celedonia Diaz Casillas

-Thanks
Aaron Casillas Alvarez Diaz Ramirez Gomez Barajas Gutierez :)
for Casillas family Guadalajara, el Valle de Guadalupe to Xalostitlan.

General Digest, Vol 35, Issue 17

Hola Jorge Luis,

Yo solamente tengo informacion de mi familia Quezada de approx. 1860 al presente.? Tengo mucho mas que investigar.?

Marisela
Fresno, California

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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 13:52:58 -0600
From: Jorge Luis Ram?rez G?mez
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Familia Quezada.
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Hola compa?eros, desde hace varios d?as que se encuentra en el foro discuciones
e informaci?n sobre personas de apellido Quezada; y hoy me di a la tarea de
buscar a todas las personas Quezada que tengo en mi base de datos y que no les
he podido seguir la l?nea.

Me gustar?a saber si alguno de ustedes tiene mas datos de los siguientes
Quezada:

1.- Lorenzo Quezada, c?nyuge de Felipa Ortiz, vecinos de San Juan de los Lagos,
aprox. en 1695.
2.- Diego Manuel Quezada, quien cas? el 01 de enero de 1766 en Cuqu?o, con Mar?a
Segunda Garc?a.
3.- Leonarda Quezada, esposa de Jos? del Refugio Alvarado, vecinos de Acatic,
Jalisco aprox. en 1920.
4.- Silvestre Quezada, c?nyuge de Jacinta G?mez, vecinos de Tepatitl?n de
Morelos, aprox. en 1780.

Espero y alguien me pueda ayudar, y si en algo puedo ayudar a ustedes, con mucho
gusto lo har?.

Saludos.Jorge Luis Ram?rez G?mez.
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Research Digest, Vol 35, Issue 18

Rudy and Esperanza,? my ancestors are Quesadas from the Teocaltiche, Jalisco area also.? My great-grandfather was Emigdio Quezada and his parents were Jose Guadalupe Quezada and Gregoria Martinez.? I don't have birthdates for Jose or Gregoria.? Does this help any of you???? Do you have any dates for your Quesadas???

Keeping my fingers crossed. . .
Marisela
Fresno, California

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1. Re: Macias and Limon in Teocaltiche (rmunoz18@cox.net)
2. Re: Need help: de Aranda-Martin Sotomayor (marriage) &
Lorenza Moran Montoya (christening) (alvaradj@comcast.net)
3. Re: Macias and Limon in Teocaltiche (Alicia Carrillo)
4. Re: Macias and Limon in Teocaltiche (rmunoz18@cox.net)
5. Re: Macias and Limon in Teocaltiche (ALESSANDRO VITELA-TOSCANO)
6. Re: Need help: de Aranda-Martin Sotomayor (marriage) &
Lorenza Moran Montoya (christening) (Bill Figueroa)
7. Re: Need help: de Aranda-Martin Sotomayor(marriage) & Lorenza
Moran Montoya (christening) (Rosa Gonzalez)
8. Help/Ayuda (Xevilla)

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Finally! I believe I have a hit with someone in the group! Yes Esperanza, I do
have information on this line to share with you. Your Timoteo Limon was brother
to my GGG Grandfather Victor Limon. Timoteo's and Victor's Parents were Jose
Carlos Limon & Maria Gertrudis. I believe Maria Gertrudis was a Quesada. I
still have not hit the birth records for this line but do have a copy of the
Marriage reco
rd of Jose Limon and Maria Gertrudis Quesada to share with you if
you like. In addition, Tiburcia Estrada is also in my direct family line. Her
parents were my GGGGrandparents Jose Nicolas Estrada and Maria Encarnacion
Chavez. I do not have any marriage info on these grandparents yet. I too am
also new to this. I am willing to help you out with whatever I can. Let me
know!

Rudy Munoz - Phoenix Arizona

---- Esperanza wrote:
>
> Hello Rudy,
> I just started my own genealogy research. I have found an ancestor by the name
of Guillermo Estrada Limon born 1834 in Teocaltiche to Timoteo Limon and
Tiburcia Estrada. Guilllermo Limon married Margarita Macias in 1862. They had a
son by the name of Sabino but I have no record of him. I only know that he
married Andrea Esparza who I also have no record of.
>
> I am looking for any information and records that may help me fill in the
connections for the Limon, Macias, and Estrada family in Teocaltiche.
>
> -Esperanza

FolkTales-Spirit of Giving

Hola Amigos de Nuestros Ranchos:

Ayer tuve tiempo de leer los cuatro cuentos de la región de Jalisco, en los que indiscutiblemente se nota la influencia europea, lo que es lógico tratandose de Jalisco pues como todos sabemos es uno de los estados en el que se ha tratado de conservar la cultura y tradiciones españolas y de otros paises de Europa hasta nuestros días. Siendo mis antepasados maternos de Jalisco, he tenido la oportnidad de comparar las costumbres, tradiciones, literatura y hasta superticiones de decendientes de europeos y de indigenas, pues mis ascendientes paternos, aunque mestizos se consideran con orgullo de sangre azteca.

Por lo que quisiera dar a conocer un librito de relatos tradicionales de Milpa Alta, lugar de nacimiento de mi padre, quien gustaba de relatar tanto leyendas de su pueblo, como pasajes de su interesante vida, sobre todo sus recuerdos de niñez en tiempos de la Revolución Mexicana. Si alguien tiene interés de leer sus relatos, puede visitar mi página de internet.
http://www.boehm-chronik.com/mexico/milpaalta.htm
http://www.boehm-chronik.com/mexico/anecdotas.htm

El titulo del libro al que me refiero es "Frente al Tlecuil" y es una recopilación de leyendas y cuentos pasados oralmente de generación en generación al rededor del fogón (Tlecuil) que era en donde se sentaban a comer y a platicar. En la mayoría de los relatos puede uno vislumbrar costumbres y creencias muy antiguas como las ofrendas del Dia de Muertos, La Tienda de Raya, etc.

Curiosamente éste librito, incluye una leyenda que con pequeñas variantes he leido en un libro de cuentos de Los Altos de Jalisco. En Milpa Alta la leyenda se llama "La Bruja y su Esposo" que cuenta de una esposa asendosa que de noche cuando el esposo duerme, deja los zapatos frente al rescoldo y se va volando convertida en bruja, la versión de los Altos de Jalisco es básicamente lo mismo, sólo que la esposa se saca los ojos y los esconde entre las cenizas del rescoldo. Para mí la diferencia entre las dos leyendas demuestra la intuición sagaz de los indigenas. Para volar no necesita zapatos, pero como lo puede hacer sin ojos?. Desgracidamente no encontré el libro de los Altos en mi desordenada biblioteca, pero en cuanto lo encuentre les envío el nombre, pues está muy interesante, o tal vez alguno de Uds. lo conozca.

Deseando a todos una muy feliz Navidad y lo mejor para el año 2009 me despido y les envío saludos cordiales, también de parte de mi esposo Guenter que aunque es alemán, de vez en cuando mete su cuchara en Nuestros Ranchos.

Bertha Medina de Boehm

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To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 10:38 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] FolkTales-Spirit of Giving: Thanks Bill - was: Need help: de Aranda-Martin Sotomayor

What a great example of having the true sharing and giving attitude.
Thank you Bill for your continued support of other members of the group.
Your dedication to help members of the group advance their genealogies
is an example we should all strive to have during the holidays and at
all times throughout the year(s).

Now I know this is not a fluent transition but just to share a bit of
Folklore here are some stories from the Jalisco area:
http://h2opodcast.com/nr/misc/FourMexicanFolkTales.pdf

1) Cuento de la Ranita
2) Cuento de Maria Ceniza
3) Cuento del Pajaro del Dulce Canto
4) Cuento del Sol y la Luna

if you want to see a foto of a Tepecano Village back in 1917 look at
this site (scroll down): http://www.amphilsoc.org/library/mole/m/mason.htm

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
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http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

New Group Rule

I haven't talked about this and I don't believe it has been addressed by
others. Please do not invite the nuestrosranchos.org group members
either as a whole (via the email discussion groups) or individually
(unless you contact them and get their permission) to any social
networking sites. These messages are very distracting and have nothing
to do with what we are about. There very well could be exceptions and if
there are please bring them to my attention and I'll discuss them with
the other moderators. In the meantime just don't do it.

No e hablado de esto y creo que otros no han hablo de esto. Por Favor no
invite ninguna persona desde el grupo nuestrosranchos.org a otros grupos
desde ser "amigos". Si puedes hacerlo si estas en communicacion con una
persona en el grupo y te dan permiso. Esos mensajes no tienen relacion
de que estamos haciendo en el grupo: NR. Puede ser que hay excepciones
por favor manda me un correo si crees que si hay excepciones.

joseph

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updated file

I've just updated my file on Rootsweb.com. Most of the research in for the district of Jerez Zacatecas but there is also research from Tamazula and Zapotlan El Grande/Ciudad Gusman Jalisco and then to Michoacan in the 1780's and earlier. The file is too large to post on Nuestros since there are abt 59,000 names. I hope there is something of interest there for many of you researching those areas.

If you put in Rito Castanon and go to the one born in 1919 and then go to pedigree in text form it will give you my genealogy or you can go to index and it will show you the surnames in my files. If you find errors I would appreciate you letting me know so I can make corrections.

Linda Castanon-Long in Everett

Free Heraldry Book

Hi,

I have this book on Heraldry by Stefan Oliver, "An Introduction to
Heraldry." It doesn't really talk about our genealogy and I'm not really
into Heraldry so I thought I'd give it away to a nuestrosranchos.org
member.

If you look at these two scans and think you might be interested in this
book then send me your guess between 1 and 500 and if you are the
closest to the number that my wife just picked (hint it was somewhere in
the middle) I'll mail you the book absolutely free.

here are those scans:

http://H2Opodcast.com/images/Cover_Heraldry.jpg
http://H2Opodcast.com/images/Index_Heraldry.jpg

Saludos,

Tengo el libro de Stefan Oliver, "An Introduction to Heraldry." El
libro no es de nuestra genealogia y yo no tengo interes en "Armería" y
piense que estara bien darlo a un miembro del grupo nuestrosranchos.org

Mira los scans y si piensas que tienes interes en este libro envíeme su
conjetura de un número entre uno y quinientos y la persona con la
conjetura más cercana al numero que mi esposa me dio ganarán el libro y
te lo mando gratis (la respuesta correcta está cercana al centro).

aqui estan los scans:

http://H2Opodcast.com/images/Cover_Heraldry.jpg
http://H2Opodcast.com/images/Index_Heraldry.jpg

joseph

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http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

records for San Pedro Piedra Gorda, Cuauhtemoc, Zacatecas.

I've been asked to help someone find family from San Pedro Piedra Gorda, Cuauhtemoc, Zacatecas and I'm not familiar with it at all, any suggestions where it's located or if there are films from there? They are searching for their grandfather Carlos Vasquez, born abt 1901, mother is Juana Saucedo. That's all the information they have. The rest of this family is from Jerez Zacatecas Mexico.

thanks for any help, Linda in Everett

Need help: de Aranda-Martin Sotomayor (marriage) & Lorenza Moran Montoya (christening)

Three weeks ago I requested photocopies from LDS, but the microfilms containing two of the records I requested were badly damaged, and they did not send copies. Instead, they suggested to visit my closest Family Research Center, and extract the info directly from the microfilm. Unfortunately, the center closest to me does not have these films, so I need your help. These are the two records:

1)Marriage: Antonio de Aranda with Antonia Martin de Sotomaior (Sotomayor) 27 jul 1704, Cienega de Mata, Ojuelos, Jalisco. M602325 0641015

2)Christening: Lorenza Moran Montoya. Parents, Juan Moran and Juana Montoia (Montoya). 20 agosto 1694. El Sagrario, Aguascalientes. C604763 0299423

This records could prove extremely useful, because I have reached a wall with both families and I hope to find additional information in these records to continue my research. For record 1, I hope the names of the parents of bride and groom to be listed, but if they are not, at least the names of the 'Padrinos'.

For record 2, I am after the names of the grandparents (unlikely to be listed, but they might) or at least the names of the padrinos. These sometimes are extremely useful.

Hope someone can help getting this info. Perhaps someone has additional information on these two families.

Thanks

Jaime

Heraldry Book: Winner/Ganador

As hard as it was to believe there was a direct hit winner. In the
future I will not make the mistake of neglecting to inform everyone to
email me directly with your guesses. I'm sorry to everyone in the group
that got those 30+ messages from various members with only a number in
the message. My mistake my apology.

. . .and the winner is Juan Jose Ramirez Ibarra who guessed exactly the
number, "297" that my wife Figen picked before I made the initial
announcement of the free book offering.

Juan Jose if you will contact me privately at joseph@nuestrosranchos.org
we'll work out a way for me to mail you the book, congratulations!

joseph

ps: my condolences to those that picked numbers very close to 297. We
had a guesses of 277, 279, 299, 300, 301, and 305 and a few others that
were very close.

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Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

Macias and Limon in Teocaltiche

Rudy and Esperanza,

Congratulations on the discovery of your connection, the excitement is palpable and there's nothing like it, to finally make that familial connection.

That's what brings us to this group, the hope that we'll learn about ourselves by learning about our ancestors, and if in the process we make a connection with a family member, it's a homerun.

I am happy for both of you,

Alicia,
San Jose, Calif

________________________________
From: "rmunoz18@cox.net"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 6:06:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Macias and Limon in Teocaltiche

Finally! I believe I have a hit with someone in the group! Yes Esperanza, I do have information on this line to share with you. Your Timoteo Limon was brother to my GGG Grandfather Victor Limon. Timoteo's and Victor's Parents were Jose Carlos Limon & Maria Gertrudis. I believe Maria Gertrudis was a Quesada. I still have not hit the birth records for this line but do have a copy of the Marriage record of Jose Limon and Maria Gertrudis Quesada to share with you if you like. In addition, Tiburcia Estrada is also in my direct family line. Her parents were my GGGGrandparents Jose Nicolas Estrada and Maria Encarnacion Chavez. I do not have any marriage info on these grandparents yet. I too am also new to this. I am willing to help you out with whatever I can. Let me know!

Rudy Munoz - Phoenix Arizona

---- Esperanza wrote:
>
> Hello Rudy,
> I just started my own genealogy research. I have found an ancestor by the name of Guillermo Estrada Limon born 1834 in Teocaltiche to Timoteo Limon and Tiburcia Estrada. Guilllermo Limon married Margarita Macias in 1862. They had a son by the name of Sabino but I have no record of him. I only know that he married Andrea Esparza who I also have no record of.
>
> I am looking for any information and records that may help me fill in the connections for the Limon, Macias, and Estrada family in Teocaltiche.
>
> -Esperanza

I need help with "braceros"

Hello all!

My father was a "bracero" (laborer contracted in a group). I think "bracero" term refers to "brazo" equal to "arm" for labor or work in the U. S. during, but not exclusivly, World War II and Korea War.
He belongs nowadays in a organizated group dedicated to claim some money that mexican goverment received as a retention of 10% from braceros earnings to set a fund for they to have back in their country.
His was contracted in Mexico City in 1943, he left his town Jesús María, Jalisco, accompained by his now deceased cousin.
Yesterday he went with the group to Mexicali, State capital of Baja California (we live in Tijuana) to give all the required documents in the office stablished for that matter.
He came back very desappointed and sad because he doesn´t have his contract document, it is gone, destroyed in the course of life. He has no "bracero card" because at that time it was not given. The only thing he has is a beige colored envelope he was given to preserve his documents, including his contract, during traveling, but this solely envelope is not taken as proof by such office.

My request from you, is any info or guidance on how to obtain a copy of my father´s bracero contract, hoping there is an original or copy in official or contractor´s company archives.

He was contracted to work in the Southern (or South) Pacific Railroad in California. He was based in Auburn, Ca.
His job was right in the rail construction and some nigths as a vigilant as extra time.

Any ideas on how I must search via internet first, if possible, or where to go with my 86 year old papá to request such document? Maybe some relarives of any of you had a job like that and made that quest.

As extra info, mexican office retaining (as keepers) that 10% are giving up only $38,000 pesos in return, but it easily should be about $100,000 pesos, some tv journalists had say; shame on my not honest goverment holders.

Well, my father and maybe all braceros were not aware of that count until someone, right now I dont´t have his name nor activity. start the movement to get that money back to whome it belongs.

And also, take this as a piece of history of my genealogy.

I am very proud of my honest and honored dad. It is not shame to need money, which is not the case thanks God and my dad, who never was lazy, on contrary, he still is a active hardwork man. During this rainy season, nobody can stop him from going to the roof to check an rapair, he reluctanly use the services of a handyman or any mason, he likes to have the credit for any rapair he can do, when he can.
He only stops and sit to just watch his handyman working when his body suffers pain from extra physical efforts, then he sits there directing his helper like if that man is his owns hands.

Now you can make questions for helping me if any lack in my explaining.

It is not good a rain drop falling on my dad´s head, I have to open the umbrella.

Thank you all for this and all the help I always receive willingly to be a help for you also.

New Member Introduction for Rudy Munoz

Good Evening,

I'd like to take a moment to introduce myself to the group. I have just recently begun to research my family roots. I am new to this so please be patient with me until I get up to speed with all of you!!! It has been a difficult task obtaining famly information since most of the family with the key information has passed on. The branch I am currently focusing on is for my Paternal Munoz & Macias lineage. My Grandfathers name was Jose Gutierrez Munoz who was born in Tlachichila, Zacatecas in 1897. My grandfathers parents names were Magdaleno Munoz & Nolberta Gutierrez. The only other info I have on this line is the name of my gg grandfather Rafael Gutierrez. From what I am told Rafael had two wives. However, no one remembers their names! Any help with this branch would be very welcome. Nolberta Gutierrez had siblings by the names of: Margarita, Thomasa, Basilia & Rafael. Magdaleno Munoz had only one sister by the name of Diega who married a Santellan.

I have had much better luck with my Macias lineage! This branch of the family seems to have resided in Villa Hidalgo, Teocaltiche, San Juan de los Lagos & Lagos de Moreno areas of Jalisco. I have also tracked down family records from Aguascalientes. The family names from this lineage are as follows: Macias, Olmos, Pedroza, Aguallo, Ruiz, Garcia, Estrada, Limon, Quesada, Calvillo, Luera, Villanueva, Chavez, Esparza, Aguilar and /or Avelar and Villavicensio. I am currently at the early 1800's with this branch.

I look forward to participating in your discussions. I have learned a great deal from your recent discussions regarding research. Any input and corrections are always welcome.

Rudy Munoz - Phoenix, AZ

URL: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/16983

I need help with

I found a web site: which describes how to get assistance in obtaining compensation. If you carry out a google search on "bracero" you will find a lot of reading material.

David Delgado in Albany, CA

-----Original Message-----
>From: Marionicia
>Sent: Dec 17, 2008 7:00 AM
>To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] I need help with "braceros"
>
>
>Hello all!
>
>My father was a "bracero" (laborer contracted in a group). I think "bracero" term refers to "brazo" equal to "arm" for labor or work in the U. S. during, but not exclusivly, World War II and Korea War.
>He belongs nowadays in a organizated group dedicated to claim some money that mexican goverment received as a retention of 10% from braceros earnings to set a fund for they to have back in their country.
>His was contracted in Mexico City in 1943, he left his town Jesús María, Jalisco, accompained by his now deceased cousin.
>Yesterday he went with the group to Mexicali, State capital of Baja California (we live in Tijuana) to give all the required documents in the office stablished for that matter.
>He came back very desappointed and sad because he doesn´t have his contract document, it is gone, destroyed in the course of life. He has no "bracero card" because at that time it was not given. The only thing he has is a beige colored envelope he was given to preserve his documents, including his contract, during traveling, but this solely envelope is not taken as proof by such office.
>
>My request from you, is any info or guidance on how to obtain a copy of my father´s bracero contract, hoping there is an original or copy in official or contractor´s company archives.
>
>He was contracted to work in the Southern (or South) Pacific Railroad in California. He was based in Auburn, Ca.
>His job was right in the rail construction and some nigths as a vigilant as extra time.
>
>Any ideas on how I must search via internet first, if possible, or where to go with my 86 year old papá to request such document? Maybe some relarives of any of you had a job like that and made that quest.
>
>As extra info, mexican office retaining (as keepers) that 10% are giving up only $38,000 pesos in return, but it easily should be about $100,000 pesos, some tv journalists had say; shame on my not honest goverment holders.
>
>Well, my father and maybe all braceros were not aware of that count until someone, right now I dont´t have his name nor activity. start the movement to get that money back to whome it belongs.
>
>And also, take this as a piece of history of my genealogy.
>
>I am very proud of my honest and honored dad. It is not shame to need money, which is not the case thanks God and my dad, who never was lazy, on contrary, he still is a active hardwork man. During this rainy season, nobody can stop him from going to the roof to check an rapair, he reluctanly use the services of a handyman or any mason, he likes to have the credit for any rapair he can do, when he can.
>He only stops and sit to just watch his handyman working when his body suffers pain from extra physical efforts, then he sits there directing his helper like if that man is his owns hands.
>
>Now you can make questions for helping me if any lack in my explaining.
>
>It is not good a rain drop falling on my dad´s head, I have to open the umbrella.
>
>Thank you all for this and all the help I always receive willingly to be a help for you also.

To Cindy Gutierrez de la Torre

I don't know, I just spent time with my Tia Esperanza and some of my cousins in Dixon the other day. She still lives in the small town they are from in Acatic. My Tia Maria and her husband live there part time also. Most of my cousins live here now. I have a cousin in Sacramento, Tula, and her sister Lisa lives in San Antonio Tx. I have no idea what their last names are now. I also have a Tia Irma still living in Acatic. My father is Antonio DeLaTorre Gutierrez, I have 2 Uncles still living one in California and one is in Texas right now. Where are your's from.
CIndy

________________________________
From: Miggy GUTIERREZ
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 9:59:28 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] To Cindy Gutierrez de la Torre

Cindy, I am also Gutierrez de la Torre, my family is from Jalos. I'm interested if we have common ancestors

----- Original Message -----
From: cindy gutierrez>
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] FREE HERALDRY BOOK

Hi,
Put me down for 249 if no one has that one yet...I would love to have it, I have my maternal side decending from England on both her father and mothers side...My dads Gutierrez/DeLaTorre's from Jalisco I am having to success in...

Cindy Gutierrez

________________________________
From: Linda >>
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 6:57:20 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] FREE HERALDRY BOOK

Hi Joseph,

Thank you for your kind offer. The book looks interesting to those
of us who not only descend from Spain, but from England and France
and other countries, too. If anything will bring us out of the
woodwork, it is something useful for free. Please put me down for
number 361.

Have a great holiday. You're certainly in the spirit already.

Linda Romero

> From: Joseph Puentes >>
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Free Heraldry Book
>
> Hi,
>
> I have this book on Heraldry by Stefan Oliver, "An Introduction to
> Heraldry." It doesn't really talk about our genealogy and I'm not
> really
> into Heraldry so I thought I'd give it away to a nuestrosranchos.org
> member.
>
> If you look at these two scans and think you might be interested in
> this
> book then send me your guess between 1 and 500 and if you are the
> closest to the number that my wife just picked (hint it was
> somewhere in
> the middle) I'll mail you the book absolutely free.
>
> here are those scans:
>
> http://H2Opodcast.com/images/Cover_Heraldry.jpg&gt;
> http://H2Opodcast.com/images/Index_Heraldry.jpg&gt;
>
>

Batch Numbers/Film Numbers website for Mexico

here is an interesting website that references the films section of
nuestrosranchos.org

http://mexicoigibatchnumbers.wetpaint.com/

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

Number guess for book

261

Thanks
Gilbert

>
> Joseph Puentes wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have this book on Heraldry by Stefan Oliver, "An
> Introduction to
> Heraldry." It doesn't really talk about our
> genealogy and I'm not really
> into Heraldry so I thought I'd give it away to a
> nuestrosranchos.org
> member.
>
> If you look at these two scans and think you might be
> interested in this
> book then send me your guess between 1 and 500 and if you
> are the
> closest to the number that my wife just picked (hint it was
> somewhere in
> the middle) I'll mail you the book absolutely free.
>
> here are those scans:
>
> http://H2Opodcast.com/images/Cover_Heraldry.jpg
> http://H2Opodcast.com/images/Index_Heraldry.jpg
>
>

Free Hearaldry Book: Friday the 19th

I just wanted all to know that this coming friday at 12 noon Eastern
time will be the deadline to get your guesses in if you are interested
in that Free Hearldry Book I'm giving away. Send me your guess between
1-500 (hint it is in the middle somewhere).

(El ultimo dia para el libro de Heraldry es viernes a las doce de tiempo
Eastern Time. Mandame su numero en medio de los numeros 1 y 500.)

In the event of a tie I'll contact the two or more individuals and have
a each go to a sudden death playoff round.

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)