Nuestros Ranchos Site

I have thoroughly enjoyed my time in this great group, but it is time for me to move in another direction. I met great people on this site, and heard great stories, tales, etc. and enjoyed people talking about finding new "primos", etc. However, my search takes me back to a much later date than most of the ones on the site. I am actually envious of the many people that go back and forth to see and visit the land of their ancestors. Wish I could do that too, but mine left generations ago to Northern Mexico and then into South Texas, that everyone lost track of the people left behind.
 
So I thank the people that answered some questions for me, and good luck on your searching!
 
Respectfully,
 
Juanita
 
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Daniel,

I will appreciate any more information you can post about Jalpa, Zacatecas. I have a relative born there (Juana Caro-Esquivel, b. 20 Nov 1912) for whom I have nothing else other than her parents names (F: Leonides Caro Fraire, M: Maria-Luisa Esquivel-Gonzalez). I believe they were from Las Paradas or La Parada, Zacatecas. Is there any local history you can post about Jalpa?

Elvira

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Alessandro/Amerila , I didn't forget about you. Actually the records I have
from Jalpa are from 1884 to 1903. There are definitely Vitelas and Macias in
Jalpa. Wish I could be of more help.

Amelia if you say your grandmotehr died in 1960, then that is fairly recent
and you probably can get that from civil records in Jalpa. If you have any
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Hola primos investigadores .

He recibido este correo , que me parece interesante, lo comparto pues creo que puede ser de ayuda en sus investigaciones o como conocimiento general.
He aprendido muchas cosas interesantes en cada una de sus participaciones, las que leo con mucho interes todos los dìas.
Saludos desde Chihuahua , Mèxico.

Rafael de la Torre Dìaz

From: rapalato@hotmail.comTo: rafaeldelatorre2002@hotmail.comSubject: FW: El ADN de los ElizondoDate: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 08:17:18 -0700

> From: website@genealogiamolecular.com> To: rapalato@hotmail.com> Subject: El ADN de los Elizondo> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 02:24:42 -0500> > En la reciente reunión de la familia Elizondo del norte de México, tuvimos la oportunidad de mostrar de forma práctica la utilidad de las pruebas de ADN para Genealogía Molecular.> > Los días 10, 11 y 12 de Octubre de 2008 en la ciudad de Monterrey, Nuevo León, México se efectuó la "V Reunión Internacional de los Elizondo", acudieron personas que en su genealogía existe algún Elizondo.> > Este grupo ha destacado a lo largo de su historia en México debido a sus importantes contribuciones en todas las áreas.> > Usando los análisis del "cromosoma Y" de 3 participantes logramos obtener una relación de parentesco (TMRCA).> > En una breve y amena conferencia Benicio Samuel Sánchez García mostró el uso correcto de los resultados del análisis del cromosoma "Y".> > "Amigos, agradezco ésta invitación a esta reunión genealógica, me he sentido muy contento entre Ustedes.> > He querido para ésta reunión usar los resultados de ADN de algunos Elizondo, me doy cuenta que 1 está aquí presente.> > Ricardo R. Elizondo el fundador de estas reuniones, procedente de San José, California. Permítanme mostrar como podemos usar la Genealogía Molecular y permítanme usar y mostrar a todos sus resultados (se concedió la autorización).> > Ricardo R Elizondo fue de los primeros en participar en el proyecto de Genealogía Molecular de la Brigham Young University (http://molecular-genealogy.byu.edu/), el proyecto sobrepasó el presupuesto de la universidad y la Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation continuó con el proyecto y su coste, mismo que a nivel mundial es millonario.> > Estamos agradecidos por la visión de James L. Sorenson para este proyecto, sentimos su partida de ésta vida, sin embargo el proyecto ha continuado, permitiendo beneficiar a miles.> > Así que iniciamos buscando en la base de datos del cromosoma "Y" de dicha fundación en http://www.smgf.org/ychromosome/search.jspx> > > Mi primer búsqueda es usando la opción "Search by SURNAME" ya que desconozco los valores de DYS de ellos.> > Como hemos dicho el cromosoma "Y" esta marcado o se han señalado ubicaciones precisas y se conocen por la siglas DYS (DNA Y CHROMOSOME SEGMENT).> > Así pues que solo escribiré el apellido ELIZONDO y no haré ningún cambio en los valores que están por default en los DYS:> > > > > > Y obtengo a mi búsqueda inicial 3 resultados “Elizondo Santa Ana”, “Elizondo” y “Elizondo Martell”:> > > > > > Puedo notar que los primeros 2 resultados tienen alguna semejanza, y puedo ver que hay al menos 11 cuadritos azul oscuro en el primer resultado, en el resultado número 2 obtuve 13 cuadritos azul oscuro, y en el tercer resultado veo 11 de estos cuadritos azul oscuro y pero noto que al menos los haplotipos 1 y 2 son muy parecidos.> > > Procederé a dar click en el botón de PEDIGREE ubicado en la parte izquierda de cada haplotipo para revisar si se trata de los Elizondo que quiero.> > > El primero haplotipo me muestra los apellidos Elizondo Santa Ana (Víctor que se encuentra en el publico pero no dice nada)> > > El segundo haplotipo me muestra los apellidos Elizondo Rubio> > > > > > > > ¿Son los tuyos Ricardo?, a lo que Ricardo acepta y permite que se muestren al publico para esta conferencia.> > > El tercer resultado es de otra persona cuya genealogía ha pasado por Venezuela, Cuba y Navarra, España, será bueno saber que tan emparentados están los 3.> > > > > Así que regresaré a mi búsqueda inicial y ahora si modificaré los valores de abajo, que son los valores DYS, éstas siglas significan DNA Y Chromosme Segment y es para referirnos a una determinada ubicación en los Cromosomas Y.> > > Pretendo modificar los valores erróneos (azul oscuros) de Ricardo> > > > > > ¿Qué te parece? ¿No fue tan difícil? Ahora ay tengo tu haplotipo, es decir tengo ya los valores correctos de tu Cromosoma “Y”, el cual te ha sido heredado por tu línea paterna.> > > Y a la vez fueron modificados de los de Elizondo Santa Ana – en ese momento se pone de pie Víctor y dice que son sus resultados, que él reconoció su cuadro genealógico-.> > > “Procederé ahora que ya tengo el haplotipo de Ricardo y que sabemos que el haplotipo 2 es Víctor a calcular el Tiempo hasta el Ancestro Común mas cercano o reciente que ambos comparten, a esto llamamos por sus siglas en inglés TMRCA. Y es un botoncito a la izquierda de los haplotipos.> > Doy click en el botón TMRCA del haplotipo 2 para saber esta distancia:> > > > > Ahora sabemos que Ricardo y Víctor comparten un ancestro basados en las estadísticas genealógicas actuales aproximadamente hace 403 años, que su ancestro compartido esta posiblemente 13 generaciones atrás (basándonos en que los hombres tienen una nueva generación cada 31 años y que en las mujeres es cada 23 años) yo diría que entre 1557 y 1605 después de Cristo, unos años después del descubrimiento de América en 1492 d.C.> > > > Ahora daré click en el botón TMRCA del haplotipo 3 para saber a que distancia genética y genealógica esta de Ricardo:> > > > > > Son más de 50 generaciones, a más de 1550 años atrás, por lo que no conviene buscarlo para compartir genealogía ya que rara vez podríamos verificar documentalmente entroncamientos anteriores al Concilio de Trento a menos que se trate de algunas familias cuyas genealogías pueden ser rastreadas hasta la parte baja de la edad media, sería inútil hacer con todos.> > Ahora que ya saben tanto Ricardo como Víctor que sus genealogías se entroncan de forma reciente y que la posibilidad de documentarla es fuerte conviene que dedique esfuerzos de todo tipo para probar documentalmente lo que su ADN asegura.> > > Ahora si me permiten unos minutos más trataré de obtener el haplotipo de Víctor:> Ya que no esta obtenido en esta imagen pueden ver que hay 2 DYS que no están bien> > > > > > Víctor estos son los valores de tu cromosoma Y, seria bueno que los conserves para que tanto Ricardo como tú se comparen con otros y obtengan las distancias genealógicas y genéticas.> > > Ahora procederé a explicar como lo haría yo, regresaré a la pantalla de búsqueda y ahora seleccionaré la opción SEARCH BY MATCH y no modificaré ningún valor del haplotipo de Víctor y así deberán mostrarse los resultados cuyos valores DYS sean cercanos al haplotipo de Víctor sin importar el apellido:> > > > > > > Tenemos en el haplotipo 1 a Víctor, luego a Ricardo en el 2, en los siguientes a un Thomas, luego un Walsh, un Craft, etc., pero sus TMRCA nos dicen que solo Víctor y Ricardo están a solo 13 generaciones, los demás están a mas de 50 generaciones> {mosimage]> > > > Lo mismo sucederá si uso el haplotipo de Ricardo, vean:> > > > > A mayores diferencias en los DYS significa que el ancestro que se comparte es más remoto> > > > > Agradezco a Ricardo y a Víctor permitirme mostrar lo que esta herramienta puede ayudar, la genealogía Molecular no reemplaza la búsqueda documental, antes permite enfocar esfuerzos de personas que comparten ancestros, yo diría que de 1500 d.C. a la fecha, yo rara vez dedicaría buscaría probar documentalmente antes de ese año con otra persona a menos que, como he dicho sea de esos pocos grupos familiares en donde los archivos de heráldica o nobleza lo permitan, y son pocos grupos con los que se podría hacer esto.> > > > Esperemos que para la próxima reunión en el año 2010, podamos tener más haplotipos para efectuar el TRMCA, y desearía que personas del valle de Baztán, de apellido Elizondo puedan compartirnos sus haplotipos y así podamos reconstruir nuestra historia.> > > Les invito a visitar las páginas que administro: www.GenealogiaMolecular.com y www.Genealogia.org.mx> > >

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Has anyone heard of this book "Venerable libro de la Cofradía de Santiago de Burgos", it contains all the ancestors of the González de Hermosillo at least in the male line back to the 1200's. I think we should track this book down. I think there is only one in the actual Caterdral de Burgos, worth traveling to Spain even just to look at it. The family is on section 18. Any comments or help!-Daniel MDC

Hello to all , my ggrandfather Tomas Villalobos was married to my ggrandmother Carmen De Los Santos (we think this was her name ) she died in child birth with my grandmother Jacoba (1901)who married my grandfather Jose Olivar, I am looking for any help with this as I have no information on the Villalobos side of my family. On of my Aunt's says there could be a relative Pedro living in Jalos, but I don't know. Juan C. could we be related. Thanks to all for maybe the next clue in my search. Cecilia

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Hola primos altenos, quisiera saber si entre alguno de ustedes existe algun ancestro RODRIGUEZ de SAN MIGUEL EL ALTO, en especial de los ranchos de EL ASTILLERO, EL BUCHE, LAS PRESITAS o LOS CHARCOS. Al parecer, todos estas localidades se encuentran cerca de lo que hoy se llama SANTA MARIA DEL VALLE, municipio San Miguel el Alto y tambien de Arandas.
Mi abuelo^7 Nepomuceno Rodriguez se caso con Marsela Alvarez alrededor de 1789 (quizas en Jalos o Teocaltiche) y tuvo por lo menos a Josef Maria Rodriguez (1790), a Jesus Maria Rodriguez (1795) y a mi abuelo^6 Jose Jesus Rodriguez, que no estoy seguro si es el mismo que Jesus Maria.
Si alguien tiene a alguno de estas personas en su base de datos avisenme, lo mas seguro es que seamos descendientes comunes.
Gracias y hasta la vista.
Saludos,

Ricardo Rodriguez Camarena
Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco

Hello Rudy,
Per my father, names such as Guadalupe, Jesus, Refugio, Trinidad
etc., often had the first name Maria or Jose inserted before to specify
the sex of the person. For example, Jose Guadalupe vs. Maria Guadalupe;
Maria de Jesus vs. Jose de Jesus; Maria del Refugio vs. Jose Refugio,
etc., Maria is often abbreviated as Ma. & Jose is often abbreviated as
J. When searching ancestors, I often like to throw in a Jose or Maria
before their name if I only have one name. For example, I had an
ancestor that I only knew as Rafael Perez. It turns out his actual name
at the time of his baptism was actually Jose-Ystanislao-de-San-Rafael
Perez. You have to try all sorts of things in your research.
You asked a question earlier about baptisms. Often the mother
did not attend the baptism of her child due to bed rest for some 40
days. The grandparents are usually mentioned in baptismal records from
early 1800's on, at least in records that I have studied in Jalisco.
They probably would only have attended if they were godparents as well.
In my family, the tradition goes that maternal grandparents would have
also been godparents to the first born. The second born would have had
the paternal grandparents as godparents. Of course if a grandparent had
died already, a suitable replacement would have been sought. In my
brother's case (second born), his godparents were our paternal
grandfather, and my mother's grandmother since he was an unmarried
widower. I recall my mother telling me that she only attended her
children's baptisms that were conducted in the US.
Irma Gomez Gtz.
N. Calif.

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:21:01 -0700
From: "Rudy Ruiz"
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction / Research Questions
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
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Just wanted to list the URL for my research resources:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/17222

Does anyone have any insight into why many entries in baptism records
contain the 'Ma.' prefix? Is it an abbreviation of Maria?

and

I was browsing the transcription of film 668255 and found something I
found
troubling/interesting. I was searching for Jose Antonio Castellanos and
Dorotea Dias where they appear together as mother and father. I found
one
entry that appears to be a positive match. Below that match are five
others
with the same Dorotea Dias and variations of a Castellano as the father
(Jose Cirilo, Jose). They are all in the same location/church. Which is
more
likely a) they are the same person withs transcription errors or b) they
are
different individuals altogther? Here is the link to the data:

http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#fatherSurnam
e=castellanos;p=1;motherGivenName=dorotea;motherSurname=dias;searchType=
standard

Hello,

Those of you who are researching Villalobos, please let me know if you have
any information on this family:

Jose Segundo Villalobos m. Maria Ynes Medina about 1775 in San Juan de los
Lagos, Jalisco.

Jose Segundo Villalobos and Maria Ynes Medina had the following children:
Agapita Villalobos
Josef Julian Villalobos c. on 30 Jan 1780, San Juan de los lagos
Jose Maria Villalobos

Agapita was my 4 gr-grandmother.

Saludos,

Maria

Following the principle of documenting each generation and looking for "who's your daddy's, daddy's, daddy's, daddy's, etc.",

I've discovered and documented 18 generations and bridged it to Spain. When in doubt, I ordered the microfilm of Mexico's church records of baptismsm, marriages, and public records to verify my research.

2 sets of 11th Great Grandparents from Spain.

My 11th Great Grandparents' (Hernando de Escobedo (b. abt. 1520) and Leonor Juairez from Spain) son Hernando, Jr. (b. abt 1542) married my other 11th Great Gtandparents' (Alonso de Illescas (b. abt. 1520) and Bernadina Diaz) daughter Mari. Henando, Jr. and Mari left from Toledo, Spain and arrived at Nueva Espana (Mexico) on 24 March 1568. In abt. 1571 he discovered rich gold mines (now named Santo Domingo). In abt. 1593 he founded the city of San Luis Potosi.

Hernando, Jr. and his son Francisco, a Spanish Captain, (b. abt. 1569 in Zacatecas, Zacatecas) founded Jerez, Zacatecas and his son founded Monte Escobedo. Apparently Francisco received 1/4 of his father's property. and in today's money that was probably more than what Bill Gates is worth.

Now if I could only figure out how to claim a lil' bit of that fortune! Ha! Ha!

Thank you for your response.  Needless to say it's been difficult getting any "hits" so far!  But I'll keep trying.
 
Teri Romero

----- Original Message ----
From: Santos Luna
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 9:38:25 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] FILOMENO & PERFECTO ARTEAGA Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman

I have a Ulloa line that starts 1679 in Tlaltenango however, I do not have any of the names you mention. Perhaps Maria Josefa Ulloa connects back a few generations.
  Lots of Luck in your research.
  Helyn
  San Jose, CA
 
 
teresitar wrote:
 
Filomeno was Perfecto's father, Perfecto's mother was Maria Josefa Ulloa. Filomeno & MaJosefa were married on 22 Feb 1843 in Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, Zac., according to Mormon records. I would like to find records of any kind related to Filomeno and MaJosefa.

I have been able to trace the family pedigree from him but I do not have anything else other than a marriage date. I would like to be able find their birthdates and birthplaces, perhaps even their parents!

Mormon church records also indicate that they had a son, his name was Perfecto Arteaga, born on 23 Apr 1844 also in Tlaltenango. Perfecto married Refugio Casanova. Refugio's parents, Lino Casanova and Maria Prudencia Albares were married on 14 Feb 1838 in Tlaltenango.

Perfecto & Refugio had 5 children, at least two of them were born and christened in Rancho del Terrero, Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, these were; Filomeno II and Lino both born on 3 Jun 1873, twin boys. Also one of their other children was my great grandfather, Jacinto Casanova Arteaga I, born on 10 Sept 1869. Jacinto married Sara Bracamontes Berumen. I have been told that her father, Jose Rafael Berumen was at one time Mayor of Aguascalientes.

Perhaps you may have seen these names somewhere or in another website? Please let me know. I would like very much to find any information related primarily to Filomena and Maria Josefa Arteaga.

Can you please direct me to where the Nuestros Ranchos user guide is.
 
Yvonne

----- Original Message ----
From: arturoramos
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 7:36:52 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Uploading a Genealogy Tree

Greetings to all:
My family trees have been posted under Member Genelogy Files/Anita Morales,

Names shown under "Ancestors of Pedro G Alvarado" from San Luis Potosi are: Alvarado, Galvan, Rodriguez, Tobar, Soto, Lozano, Ybarra, Carmona, Mireles, Martinez, Morales, Ybarra. Others shown: Gonzalez, Lopez, Perez, Molinas, Luera, Medina, Garcia, Munis
Places: Matehuala, San Luis Potosi, Encarnacion, Rancho de la Viuda, Catorce, Bocas de Caballero, San Geronimo Moctezuma, Hacienda de Piotillo, La Mesita or La Morita, Villaldame and Bustamantes NL and San Antonio Texas.

Names listed under "Ancestors of Maria Gonzalez" from Zacatecas are: Gonzalez, Breña, Bañuelos, Rodriguez, Carlos, Hernandez, Salinas, Correa, Sepulveda, Sanchez, del Muro, Gallegos, de la Torre, Valdez, Carrillo, Gamboa, Felis Arellano, Aro, Quero. Robles, de los Santos. Others shown: Valdez, Talabera, Delgado, Silva, de los Reyes, Davila, Tenorio, Ortiz de San Pedro.
Places: Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Jerez, Tepetondo, Juanchorrey, Real de Panuco, Monte Escondedo and San Antonio Texas.

I appreciate the members review and comments. Hopefully, we can make connections. Thanks - Anita

I UPLOADED MY PEDIGREE SO EVERYONE CAN REVIEW IT AND POSSIBLY FIND A MATCH. ALL THE FAMILY LINEAS ARE LISTED.

SUBI MI ARBOL GENEALOGICO ESPERANDO PUEDAN REVISARLO Y ENCONTRAR UNA POSIBLE CONEXION, ESTAN INCLUIDAS LAS DISTINTAS FAMILIAS O APELLIDOS QUE BUSCO.

THANKS

Filomeno was Perfecto's father, Perfecto's mother was Maria Josefa Ulloa. Filomeno & MaJosefa were married on 22 Feb 1843 in Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, Zac., according to Mormon records. I would like to find records of any kind related to Filomeno and MaJosefa.

I have been able to trace the family pedigree from him but I do not have anything else other than a marriage date. I would like to be able find their birthdates and birthplaces, perhaps even their parents!

Mormon church records also indicate that they had a son, his name was Perfecto Arteaga, born on 23 Apr 1844 also in Tlaltenango. Perfecto married Refugio Casanova. Refugio's parents, Lino Casanova and Maria Prudencia Albares were married on 14 Feb 1838 in Tlaltenango.

Perfecto & Refugio had 5 children, at least two of them were born and christened in Rancho del Terrero, Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, these were; Filomeno II and Lino both born on 3 Jun 1873, twin boys. Also one of their other children was my great grandfather, Jacinto Casanova Arteaga I, born on 10 Sept 1869. Jacinto married Sara Bracamontes Berumen. I have been told that her father, Jose Rafael Berumen was at one time Mayor of Aguascalientes.

Perhaps you may have seen these names somewhere or in another website? Please let me know. I would like very much to find any information related primarily to Filomena and Maria Josefa Arteaga.

Hello, I've just joined this group and am looking forward to interacting and exchanging information with all of you. I am researching Ruiz, Zavala, Castellanos, Dias, Mendes, Rodrigues and Quevedo. Currently I
am researching the Castellanos and Zavala families that lived near or in La Barca. I've been fortunate to find some records of baptism for Porfirio Castellano Zavala (Sep 17 1875) my GG Grandfather. The records indicate that the baptism took place in San Juan Bosco so this suggests that they lived near that local parish. What is curious to me is the criss-crossing of surnames. For example, Porfirio Castellanos Zavala was married to Guadalupe Castellanos (born October 7th 1875 in La Barca). However, Porfirio's mother Refugia (born about 1860) was also a Castellanos! Unfortunately, I cannot find much more information about Refugia's family.

Guadalupe's parents were Guillermo Castellnos (born about 1849) and Rita Mendes (born about 1850). I was very fortunate to find a record of baptism for one of their other children Cenobio Castellanos (1 Nov 1865, La Barca) that includes both sets of grandparents. From my experience, this was a great find. I'm glad to have names, but have little else. This also suggests that these sets of grandparents were present in the region. Is this a correct assumption, that the records of baptism include people who were physically present? In any case, the grand parents (my GGGG grand parents) were Jose Antonio Castellanos / Dorotea Dias (Guillermo's parents) and Eduwiges Mendes / Dolores Rodrigues (Rita's parents). I'm making the guess that they were born around the 1830's. Incidentally, Eduwiges (Edubigen) and other variants are very, very strange to me. In the original baptismal record it is next to impossible to read. A transcriber on family search labs rendered in Eduwiges. Does anyone have any history behind such a name? Needless to say researching my family history in Mexico is quite the learning experience!

Regards,

Rudy

I am about ready to post my research on my Alvarado tree from San Luis Potosi and my Gonzalez tree from Zacatecas. I need guidance as to how to post on this site and what information I should provide (i.e sources). Thanks - Anita

Ah Stuart,

I like your analogies. Apparently, there are other distant cousins who are
also into genealogy with my family lines. At first I was impressed with the
"supposed" association of alleged royalty.....

But it takes one wise elder to put things in perspective. When asked her
why this was never shared with the rest of us: she responded rather strongly:
IT IS NOT WHO WE ARE TODAY.

Could she have been saying that this was not proven....could she have been
looking in the mirror and said there are other "truths", could she have harsh
memories of her own upbringing....no doubt....and some "truths" don't matter
in one's current reality.

Esperanza
chicagoland area

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Hi,

I'm getting further and further behind on creating folders for and then
uploading NEW members genealogies to them.

Eventually the process will take 1 hour or less per week on average.

let me know if you can help.

I'll only consider people for this from those that are not currently
volunteering,

thanks,

joseph

ps: since I'm not fluent in Spanish I think it would be easier if you
were fluent in English.

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Greetings: At one time I saw on the FHC site that copies of individual records could be ordered in lieu of ordering films. Now I cant locate this and someone had also commented that copies could be ordered. Is this still available? If so, where on the FHC site? Thanks - Anita

Hello Everyone!

I've just joined the group; having found it through a couple of search engines.

I am researching my wife's family. Her maternal grandmother, Maria Eutiquia Escobar (b. 1883), is from Aguascalientes. Her ancestors have roots in Aguascalientes (Aguascalientes), Zacatecas (Trancoso, Pinos), and Jalisco (Lagos de Moreno). My wife's father's family (Lara) is from Guanajuato, as is her materal grandfather (Eutiquia's second husband, Juan Navarro).

Names in the family are Escobar, de la Torre, Macias, Perez, Gonzales, Pedrosa, Castro, Arias, Gallegos, Salas, Garcia, Martinez, Ponze, Salazar, Montoya, Cordova, Escoto, Quesda, Dias, Alons, Sandoval, Lopes de Nava, and Flores. Some families have been traced to the early 1700's, others to early 1800s/late 1700s.

Families from Guanajuato are Lara, Arevalos, Pulido, Saldana, Navarro from San Francisco del Rincon; and Navarro (again), Serrano from Romita/Silao. These families go back to the early 1800s.

I have not yet posted a gedcom, but plan to do so soon.

Note: I know only enough Spanish to pick out essential info from baptismal and marriage records, and know when to ask my wife to translate (she's fluent)!

George (gpf13)
Pleasanton, CA

Hello Everyone!

I have just joined the group. I have been reading some of your research work and it is quite impressive. You are all so very helpful to everyone and look forward to communicating with all of you.

I am researching my mothers family (Suarez/Guiterrez) for now but eventually my father's family (Guillen).

The Suarez and Guiterrez families were from Sombrerete, Zacatecas. My grandfather Suarez was born around 1887 or 1889 not sure where. My grandmother Guiterrez was born 8/25/1900 in Sombrerete and they were married around 1915. My G grandfather was Felipe Suarez and married Petra Barajas. My G grandfather Guiterrez was Christino Guiterrez and married Wenselada Sanchez. My GG grandfather was Epefanio Guiterrez and married Maria DeJesus Villalobos. I have not been able to find much else thru other ancestry search methods. Eventually my mother's family migrated to Juarez, Mexico and then to El Paso, Texas.

I am hoping to start researching church records to find more detail or even family. Thank you so much, I appreciate any help you can provide or a direction you can point me to.

Yoli Matranga

Thursday, October 9, 2008

Dear Rudy,

The following are microfilms I have on permanent loan at the Family History Center:

281,017 Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1769-1801 La Barca, Jalisco, Mexico
281,018 Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1779-1801 La Barca, Jalisco, Mexico
281,023 Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1828-1836 La Barca, Jalisco, Mexico
281,070 Matrimonios 1681-1768 La Barca, Jalisco, Mexico
281,071 Matrimonios 1768-1814 La Barca, Jalisco, Mexico
281,073 Matrimonios 1836-1861 La Barca, Jalisco, Mexico

These might be too far back for you now. I also think the 1930 Census is in the Bonita Family History Center. The # is 1,507,533 and 1,507,534.

Keep in touch.

Sincerely,
Patricia Burton
San Diego, Calif.

--- On Thu, 10/9/08, Emilie Garcia wrote:

> From: Emilie Garcia
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction / Research Questions
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 4:43 PM
> Rudy, I said St. Helwig, but it is really Hedwig (Eduviges).
>
> Emilie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Emilie
> Garcia
> To:
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> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 4:24 PM
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> Questions
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>
> Welcome, Rudy,
>
> My father had among his ancestors people named Eduviges,
> or Edubiges, or Edubigen. St. Helwig was a Saint born in
> Bavaria in the 1100s. Read about her here:
> http://saints.sqpn.com/sainth03.htm>
>
> Emilie
> Port Orchard, WA
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> roodee>
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> To:
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> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 11:03 AM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction / Research
> Questions
>
>
>
> Hello, I've just joined this group and am looking
> forward to interacting and exchanging information with all
> of you. I am researching Ruiz, Zavala, Castellanos, Dias,
> Mendes, Rodrigues and Quevedo. Currently I
> am researching the Castellanos and Zavala families
> that lived near or in La Barca. I've been fortunate to
> find some records of baptism for Porfirio Castellano Zavala
> (Sep 17 1875) my GG Grandfather. The records indicate that
> the baptism took place in San Juan Bosco so this suggests
> that they lived near that local parish. What is curious to
> me is the criss-crossing of surnames. For example, Porfirio
> Castellanos Zavala was married to Guadalupe Castellanos
> (born October 7th 1875 in La Barca). However, Porfirio's
> mother Refugia (born about 1860) was also a Castellanos!
> Unfortunately, I cannot find much more information about
> Refugia's family.
>
> Guadalupe's parents were Guillermo Castellnos (born
> about 1849) and Rita Mendes (born about 1850). I was very
> fortunate to find a record of baptism for one of their other
> children Cenobio Castellanos (1 Nov 1865, La Barca) that
> includes both sets of grandparents. From my experience, this
> was a great find. I'm glad to have names, but have
> little else. This also suggests that these sets of
> grandparents were present in the region. Is this a correct
> assumption, that the records of baptism include people who
> were physically present? In any case, the grand parents (my
> GGGG grand parents) were Jose Antonio Castellanos / Dorotea
> Dias (Guillermo's parents) and Eduwiges Mendes / Dolores
> Rodrigues (Rita's parents). I'm making the guess
> that they were born around the 1830's. Incidentally,
> Eduwiges (Edubigen) and other variants are very, very
> strange to me. In the original baptismal record it is next
> to impossible to read. A transcriber on family search labs
> rendered in Eduwiges. Does
> a
> ny
> one have any history behind such a name? Needless to
> say researching my family history in Mexico is quite the
> learning experience!
>
> Regards,
>
> Rudy
>
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I have updated my FAMILY TREE files which include BANUELOS, CARLOS, COVARRUBIAS , DE ESCOBEDO, DE LEON, DEL REAL, ENRIQUEZ, FLORES, QUESADA, SANDOVAL, and VILLANEDA.