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I wanted to share the fact that I was recently contacted by a priest in the Peoria, Illinois diocese for some help confirming the relationship of some men in the diocese to Saint Cristobal Magallanes Jara. He had found my database online and I was able to trace the men's mother's ancestry back to a shared common root to the Saint. Father Jared was kind enough to mention me in his article in the Catholic Post.

http://www.cdop.org/post/PostArticle.aspx?ID=218

Three Mendota families have a saint in their genealogical tree

MENDOTA — It’s not often that Catholics can say they have a canonized saint in the family, but three families of Holy Cross Parish are honored to call a Mexican priest and martyr of the 20th century “cousin.”

Two of the families are those of brothers: Rogelio Magallanes and his wife Herminia, and Jose Magallanes and his wife Martha and daughters Elizabeth and Lorena. The third family is that of Manuel Magallanes, cousin of Rogelio and Jose’s father.

Through their fathers, the three men are distant cousins of St. Cristóbal Magallanes Jara (1869-1927), one of a group of 25 Mexican martyrs canonized in 2000 by Pope John Paul II. However, Rogelio and Jose have an even closer kinship to St. Cristóbal on their mother’s side.

Jose has lived in the U.S. for 22 years, but Rogelio arrived here about 10 years earlier. They and Manuel are among the two-thirds of the Mexican immigrants living in Mendota who come from St. Cristóbal’s home town of Totatiche, located in the Central Mexican state of Jalisco, according to Father Fredi Gomez Torres, administrator of Holy Cross Parish.

Rogelio and Jose’s maternal grandmother Juana, or “Juanita,” was the granddaughter of St. Cristóbal’s first cousin, Albino Jara Araña. Juana’s kinship to the saint was confirmed by Arturo Ramos of Washington, D.C., a researcher who specializes in Northern Jalisco genealogy.

Juana made sure that her family was aware that Totatiche’s martyred pastor was their cousin, according to Rogelio.

While Rogelio and Jose do not attribute any specific graces or miracles in their lives to his intercession, they do believe that they benefit from his protection and guidance.

“We feel very, very happy and blessed to have him in the family,” Rogelio said.

“Devotion to St. Cristóbal is very popular in Mexico. The devotion is growing year by year. There are many pilgrims who visit from Guadalajara, capital of Jalisco,” about 150 miles from Totatiche, said Rogelio.

He added, “The faith of the people is growing and growing.”

Por si acaso no habian escuchado de esto... la gente en la tierra de nuestros ancestros esta sufriendo de los efectos de las lluvias e inundaciones.

In case you had not heard about this... the people in the land of our ancestors are suffering due to heavy rains and flooding.

Río Xaloco destroza Tlaltenango; 3 muertos
El desbordamiento del río Xaloco dejó 15 mil damnificados, la mitad de la población de este municipio al sur de Zacatecas, así como tres muertos, 23 desaparecidos, cinco comunidades incomunicadas, 2 mil viviendas dañadas y 500 vehículos afectados

Irma Mejía Corresponsal
EL UNIVERSAL
Sábado 19 de julio de 2008
TLALTENANGO, Zac.— El desbordamiento del río Xaloco dejó 15 mil damnificados, la mitad de la población de este municipio al sur de Zacatecas, así como tres muertos, 23 desaparecidos, cinco comunidades incomunicadas, 2 mil viviendas dañadas y 500 vehículos afectados.
El río pasa por el centro de la cabecera municipal y hasta ahora no se había registrado una corriente de agua importante, pero los escurrimientos de la sierra de Morones alimentaron su cauce e inundó la zona.

A las dos de la mañana, la fuerza del agua comenzó a golpear las casas y despertó a sus habitantes, y en dos horas más el agua alcanzó dos metros de altura y arrastraba todo lo que encontraba a su paso, lo que obligó a la gente a refugiarse en los techos de sus casas.

Varias horas después, cuando descendió el nivel del agua y la fuerza de la corriente, el ambiente era desolador y los pobladores pasaron del miedo a la impotencia y a la desolación. Dos menores y una anciana habían muerto, al menos 23 personas habían desaparecido. “A dondequiera que volteábamos a ver había lodo y destrozos”, dijo uno de los vecinos.

En el centro de la cabecera municipal había vehículos amontonados, viviendas destruidas, muebles rotos. “Nos quedamos sin nada”, agregó otro vecino.

Los habitantes de otras cinco comunidades —Ciénega, Mesa de Palmira, Carrecillos, Fresno y Morones— quedaron incomunicados y en la cabecera municipal, en los barrios de Veracruz, Alameda, Obispo, San José y San Pascual, las viviendas se inundaron.

Ante la magnitud del desastre, el Ejército implementó el Plan DN-III y soldados de la 11 Zona Militar llegaron al lugar para desalojar a los habitantes y llevarlos a cuatro albergues instalados en el municipio.

Por la tarde, la gobernadora de Zacatecas, Amalia García, recorrió la zona afectada acompañada por varios funcionarios y prometió la ayuda estatal y federal necesaria para reparar el daño. Poco después, la Secretaría de Gobernación emitió una declaratoria de emergencia para el municipio para aplicar los recursos del Fondo de Desastres Naturales.

Condolencia presidencial

El presidente Felipe Calderón expresó sus condolencias a las familias de Zacatecas que perdieron a sus parientes y sufrieron daños por el desbordamiento del río Xaloco en los límites con Jalisco y aseguró que el gobierno federal apoyará a todos los afectados por las lluvias en el país.

“Quiero externar estas condolencias a nombre del gobierno federal a estas familias en Zacatecas y al gobierno del estado”, dijo.

Calderón indicó que el secretario de Desarrollo Social, Ernesto Cordero, viajó a Zacatecas para recorrer la zona. “Externo a Zacatecas, Veracruz e Hidalgo, a los que han sufrido las inclemencias, que el gobierno federal apoyará con todo a las familias que viven esta desgracia”, añadió el presidente Calderón. (Con información de Julián Sánchez. Reportero).

Buenas dias a todos, he realizado con ayuda de “nuestros ranchos” y
entrevistas a familiares mi arbol genealogico hasta una septima generacion,
lo cual representa casi 200 años. me he encontrado problemas en la linea de
mi abuelo materno solo he avanzado 4 generaciones, los datos con que cuento
son los siguientes:

Abuelo materno Refugio Gomez Ramirez año de nacimiento
1915 ó 1916 en San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco ó Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco

Bisabuelos Felipa Ramirez y Bernardo Gomez.

Podrán indicarme en que bases de datos buscar ya que en FamilySearch no he
encontrado nada de ellos.

Agradesco su valiosa ayuda.

Atte

Mario Gonzalez Gomez

Does anyone know how I can obtain information about this rancho. "EL PAPELOTE EN JALISCO"? I have tried looking it up on the internet and found nothing at all. No census or if it even exists? Can anyone tell something about it or at least guide me. My paternal grandmother was from this rancho and I can't find anything on her either. Her name CAMILA ESTRADA born abt. 1894 passed away around 1937. I wonder if San Juan de Los Lagos would be a place to find some kind of documents on her.

Any help would be appreciated.

Gracias,
Nelida Vazquez Estrada

Has anyone been able to trace information on the place of birth and the name of the parents of Pedro Fernandez de Vaulus?

Monday, Sep 8, 2008

Dear Angelina--

Yes, I have this book. It is about the size and shape of the yellow pages and has 828 pages plus. Mine is the Segunda edicion aumentada y corregida 2002.

Sincerely,
Patricia Burton
San Diego, Ca.

--- On Mon, 9/8/08, Angelina Markle wrote:

> From: Angelina Markle
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] BLASONS Y APELLIDOS by Fernando Munoz Altea
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 4:49 PM
> Hello - by any chance does anyone have this book? If so
> would you mind
> looking something up? -Angelina-

for Veronica Rahorn:

The word Tepusco seems to signify copper. The book "Nombres indigenas de todas las ciudades y municipios de la republica mexicana" by Gral. Gabriel Gavira, Mexico, 1953, has the following:

Tepuxtepec - Residencia del dios de cobre o cerro de cobre
Tepoxcolula - Lugar donde se tuerce el metal o de ganchos de cobre.

Gloria Delgado, Albany CA

Hi Anita--

I've been working on an extensive Banuelos family tree from Ranchos Las Bocas, located close to Huejucar (not too far from Tepetongo and Juanchorrey). I did not locate the names you mentioned in my tree, but I suspect that your Banuelos branch is related to mine.

I did find this:

GERMAN BANUELOS CARLOS Pedigree
Male

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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 29 MAY 1851 Tepetongo, Zacatecas, Mexico

Death:
Burial:

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Parents:
Father: CLETO BANUELOS Family
Mother: CLEMENCIA CARLOS
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

C600836 1850 - 1858 0445161

I do have some Tepetongo films, but not this one. If you look up the record, it may list the grandparents' names. If so, that may help me to see if your Banuelos family connects with mine. I have at a few Banuelos women marrying Gonzales men.

Let me know what you think.

Rosalinda

-----Original Message-----
>From: anna1m
>Sent: Aug 27, 2008 12:56 PM
>To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Bañuelos
>
>
>Greetings from Lockhart, Tx: I need help with backtracking my Bañuelos ancestors. Marcelo Gonzales Bañuelos b 7 Jan 1859 in Juanchorrey Zac, son of Juan Jose Jesus Gonzales and Maria de Jesus Bañuelos b abt 1837, daughter of Anacelso (Aka Cleto) Bañuelos and Clemencia Carlos. Any help is appreciated as the present dialogue is very interesting. Thanks - Anita

Hello - by any chance does anyone have this book? If so would you mind
looking something up? -Angelina-

Hello to everyone, my name is Cecilia and I am re-introducing myself to the group. I have been a member for a little while and I thank all of you sent me information on my Olivar Family. I have been reading the discussions about the Villalobos family. My great-grandfather was Tomas Villalobos married to Carmen De Los Santos who died in childbirth when my grandmother Jacoba Villaobos was born July 25 1901, Jacoba married Jose Olivar. It is said that Tomas died in a mine accident in Arizona in about 1914. That's all I know about the Villalobos side of my family. I have more on the Olivar side and you can see it on my family tree. But I really am stuck and any little bit of info on my families is greatly appreciated. Thanks to all, and hello again

Greetings from Lockhart. A question for Leticia Salazar. I have been looking over your info and it looks like our lines cross with Luiz Antonio Francisco Correa married to Juana Petra Carlos. Also with Bernardo Ignacio Gonzalez married to Juana Michaela del Muro. Do you have source references from that point back? Also when I get to Josepha Gonzalez you show two. One Josepha Gonzales married to unknown and mother of Juan Gonzalez and one Josepha Gonzales de Aro married to Manuel de la Torre and mother of Juana del Torre. Both Josephas are shown as daughters of Gabriel Gonzalez and Maria Anna de Quero. Were these two different daughters with the same name or only one who married twice. I am confused as there are no dates shown. Thanks for all the research you have done and shared. Anita

What is the name of the style name of the genealogical report that you run on the Family Tree Maker?

Bienenido Victor,

Al igual que tu estoy investigando ancestros en Jalisco principalmente
y algunos en Aguascalientes y Zacatecas. Tengo casi 10 años haciendo
estos estudios. Es posible que los apellidos Mora y Martinez de tu
rama materna tengan parentesco con los mios. Te invito a que revises
el archivo de mi abuelo paterno (Francisco Sanchez) en donde
encontraras estos apellidos.

Si te puedo sugerir algo, ahora que estas recopilando tus datos
genealogicos, es que es buena idea usar un programa de genealogia. Yo
comenze usando PAF. Este programa es gratis y tiene version en
Español (la version 4.0). Me gusta este programa por que te permite
usar caracteres Unicode, que es lo que te permite usar los acentos, la
ñ, etc. Produce tambien reportes como los que produci yo mis
archivos. Ultimamente empece a buscar otra programa que tenga mas
opciones para reportes y encontre Genbox Family History. Estoy
trabajando en la traduccion Castellana de este programa. Ya que
termine les aviso al que le interese.

Maria Elena Cortez
Sacramento, CA

> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Presentaci?n
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> Hola a todos:
> Mi nombre es V?ctor Manuel Ortiz Mart?nez, nacido el 16 de mayo de 1950 en Guadalajara, Jalisco. Actualmente estoy jubilado del Instituto Nacional de Estad?stica, Geograf?a e Inform?tica, INEGI, donde trabaj? por m?s de treinta a?os, primero en el levantamiento de la Carta Topogr?fica de la Rep?blica Mexicana, lo que me llev? a viajar por todo el pa?s. Posteriormente, en la investigaci?n documental de nombres geogr?ficos.
> ?
> Aunque soy originario de Guadalajara, Jal., he vivido y vivo en la ciudad de M?xico desde los 9 a?os de edad. Mi inter?s de unirme a Nuestros Ranchos est? en relaci?n a mi deseo de investigar la genealog?a de mi familia en general y de mi rama materna en particular, a la que corresponden los apellidos Mart?nez, Arias, Mora y Jaime, cuyo origen se encuentra en los estados de Jalisco y Aguascalientes, concretamente en las localidades de Encarnaci?n de D?az (a la que se le conoce popularmente como ?La Chona?) y Asientos. Desde luego, el mismo inter?s tengo en profundizar en la historia de mi rama paterna, a la que corresponden los apellidos Ortiz, Araujo, Arias y Arteaga, pero para ello tendr? que buscar en otra parte porque las ra?ces de ?stos se encuentran en el estado de Quer?taro.
> ?

En el transcurso de las investigaciones sobre mis antepasados en México me hé dado cuenta de que en lugares como los Altos de Jalisco en donde se evitó concientemente el mestizaje, es posible seguir la linea de asendencia de las familias que se asentaron en esos lugares durante el tiempo de la Colonia. Como en mi caso 'Los Navarro de Tepatitlán' que espero poder estudiar en los libros por salir del Lic. González Leal, ojalá pronto. Tuve problemas con dos de mis antepasados pues encontré varias personas con el mismo nombre y apellido, en un caso ambos apellidos son idénticos aunque los padres del bautizado son diferentes, todos en la misma época y en Tepatitlán.

Pero en otros lugares donde la población indigena era numerosa y el deseo de cristianizar urgente, solía suceder que se bautizaran grupos de indigenas, apadrinandolos un español y por supuesto a todos les ponían un nombre cristiano y el apellido del padrino, así pasaba a los decendientes de esos indios el apellido europeo. Para nuestra desgracia ahi empezó a perderse la genealogía indigena que debería ser tan importante como la europea.

Cuando quise buscar a mis antepasados en Milpa Alta DF,
http://www.boehm-chronik.com/mexico/milpaalta.htm
no pude ir muy lejos, aunque ahí, según lo que he leido en una Monografía de Milpa Alta de Dn. Alfonso Reyes, ésta región fué tomada por los españoles por la vía diplomática, 8 años después de la caida de Tenochtitlán a pesar de su cercanía. El primer enviado del gobierno español fué Juan de Saucedo que llegó el 29 de Julio de 1529 con un documento de reconocimiento de todas las tribus, de sus tierras de cultivo, de montes, de pedregales y de aguas que hasta entonces ocuparan sus habitantes que estaban bien organizados en comunidades sedentarias, dedicadas al cultivo de la tierra y la cría de ganado menor. El grupo de españoles llegó acompañado por un grupo de frailes franciscanos que aprovecharon los días que duró el evento para bautizar a los jefes tribales y a muchos naturales, no se mencionan bautizos colectivos, pero es obvio que les pusieron nombres cristianos.

De que sí hubo resistencia y agresividad atestigua la arquitectura de sus parroquias y conventos que dan la impresión de fortalezas, tal vez por eso los españoles optaron por la diplomacia y no creo que hayan construido esos masivos templos por gusto.

En el Padrón del Curato de Milpa Alta, año de 1797 encontré varias personas con nombre español y apellido nahuatl lo que se ha perdido con el tiempo. En el mismo padrón todas las calles de la población y algunas casas aparecen con nombre nahuatl. Casas que en vez de número tenían nombre. A seis personas les sigue la aclaración en parentesis (español) y a tres (coiote). Mi apellido no aparece en Milpa Alta, pero sí varias veces en un pueblo situado a 5 Km al norte, en una lista titulada "Los de Razón" y una vez en una lista titulada "Indios" por lo que asumo que tal vez ahí estén mis raices, pero quizas nunca lo sabré. Alguien sabe quienes eran "Los de Razón" ?

Un señor me dijo que su apellido era "prestado" lo que quiere decir que alguien sin apellido le pedía permiso a otra persona de usar su apellido para arreglar algún asunto legal y después lo seguía usando para su familia. O personas que le ponían a su hijo el nombre completo de alguién al que respetaban o querían mucho. Sirvientes que recibían el apellido del patrón o del rancho en que trabajaban. Todo esto hace la geneología de una familia en estos lugares casi imposible.

Otra cosa con la que me he topado son matrimonios de personas sin apellido como "Hilario casado con Sinforosa" o simplemente la fecha y "Matrimonio de Indios", si se trataba de una pareja o varias no es posible saber.

Además de los registros de las iglesias hay que consultar en protocolos patronales de las haciendas, archivos de las dependencias del gobierno como censos, títulos de propiedad (urbarium), registros de artesanos, archivos militares, etc., tomando en cuenta lo que se sabe de cada individuo. Por desgracia la mayoría de las personas pasamos a la anonimidad, solamente el que fué importante en vida pasa a la historia por sus buenas o malas obras.

Agradeceré sugerencias que me ayuden a progresar en la búsqueda , así como la corrección de errores.

Atentos saludos

Bertha Medina de Boehm
http://www.boehm-chronik.com/mexico/antepasados.htm

Hi,
I was very much interested in the discussion in Spanish of the evolution of
surnames. I can kind of translate it as I read it, but there are some parts
that I am not getting. This is a very interesting topic. Can anyone give a
brief translation of this discussion? I get the part about their being
separate books for baptisms of hijos naturales and for the indios, because I
have seen this for myself. What I am not quite understanding, is the part
about the "siglo," where I think it is saying that the indigenous population
had to pay some sort of tribute? Well, can someone explain that part, which
must be referring to the early part of Mexico's Spanish history within New
Spain, I am guessing.

Thanks,
Corrine Ardoin
Santa Maria, California

Hola a todos:
Mi nombre es Víctor Manuel Ortiz Martínez, nacido el 16 de mayo de 1950 en Guadalajara, Jalisco. Actualmente estoy jubilado del Instituto Nacional de Estadística, Geografía e Informática, INEGI, donde trabajé por más de treinta años, primero en el levantamiento de la Carta Topográfica de la República Mexicana, lo que me llevó a viajar por todo el país. Posteriormente, en la investigación documental de nombres geográficos.
 
Aunque soy originario de Guadalajara, Jal., he vivido y vivo en la ciudad de México desde los 9 años de edad. Mi interés de unirme a Nuestros Ranchos está en relación a mi deseo de investigar la genealogía de mi familia en general y de mi rama materna en particular, a la que corresponden los apellidos Martínez, Arias, Mora y Jaime, cuyo origen se encuentra en los estados de Jalisco y Aguascalientes, concretamente en las localidades de Encarnación de Díaz (a la que se le conoce popularmente como “La Chona”) y Asientos. Desde luego, el mismo interés tengo en profundizar en la historia de mi rama paterna, a la que corresponden los apellidos Ortiz, Araujo, Arias y Arteaga, pero para ello tendré que buscar en otra parte porque las raíces de éstos se encuentran en el estado de Querétaro.
 
Sé que Nuestros Ranchos está constituido por un grupo bilingüe, por personas que viven en México pero también por personas que llevan tres o cuatro generaciones en los Estados Unidos. En ese sentido, podría decirse que “oficialmente” yo soy bilingüe, pero no quisiera utilizar la lengua inglesa sino para casos y situaciones concretas porque no me cabe duda de que jamás tendré en inglés la misma capacidad de expresión que puedo tener en español.
 
En realidad, mi inscripción a Nuestros Ranchos data de casi dos años (octubre de 2006), sin embargo en un principio carecía por completo de datos documentados en relación a mis búsquedas. En esos días leí un comentario en uno de los correos de Nuestros Ranchos, reprochando a aquellos que se inscribían con el solo propósito de aprovechar el trabajo de los otros participantes sin aportar nada. Aquel comentario, en vista de la miseria de conocimientos en que yo me encontraba, me inhibió a tal grado que no me atreví a hacer mi presentación. Actualmente ya tengo un poco más de experiencia trabajando en los sitios de Family Search.org y Ancestry.com, y he reunido una cantidad más o menos razonable de datos que pongo sin reserva a la disposición de ustedes. De igual manera, durante este tiempo he podido notar, a través de los correos de Nuestros Ranchos, que han llegado a surgir duda y discusiones en la que quizá mi intervención hubiese sido
de utilidad. Ejemplo, la duda que alguna vez se planteó acerca de dónde era Cuauhtémoc, D. F., a donde está referidos algunos de los registros de Family Search según pude darme cuenta cuando ocupé esas fuentes de datos.
 
En síntesis, estoy seguro que con la ayuda y la asesoría de todos ustedes, podré lograr avances importantes en la investigación de mi genealogía familiar, a la vez que estoy dispuesto a dar todo lo que pudiera ser de utilidad a Nuestros Ranchos como mi modesta aportación. Para esto tengo que mencionar que como parte de mi capacitación para trabajar con nombres geográficos, he realizado cursos de paleografía y diplomática en el Archivo General de la Nación. Así pues, me ofrezco para la transcripción de toda clase de documentos de los siglos XVI al XIX, pues en este punto me he encontrado errores graves que pueden desorientar fácilmente una investigación. Por ejemplo, el nombre de mi bisabuela, la madre de mi abuela materna, era Sabina Jaime, y la he encontrado en los registros como Sabina Jaimes, Sabina Jayme, Sabina Jaine, Sabina Jassue, Sabina Jatie, etcétera.
 
Atentamente,
Víctor Manuel Ortiz Martínez.

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I have not posted since my introduction when I joined a few months ago but since then I have ordered the film for my great-grandparent's marriage. They were married in San Diego De Alejandria, Jalisco. The film is very blurry and hard to read. My Spanish is also a little rusty but I was able to make out that my great-grandmother Cenorina Vasquez, daughter of Jose Eduviguez Vasquez and (it looks like) Demetina Vazquez, was from San Sabastian. I have not been able to find anything further. No baptism files, no marriage records from her parents. I don't even know where San Sebastian is. I had read an email from this group that San Sabastian was in someone's research. i can't find that email but does that someone happen to recognize these names or know where it is? Any information that anyone has would be greatly appreciated!

Ann Rubio Valdez
Sugar Land, Texas

Cristobal,

Here is what I have been able to piece together. If you would like this
report in PDF or RTF format let me know, and I can send you a copy.

Jonathan

First Generation

1. Cristobal VILLALOBOS LOMELIN was born.

Third Generation

4. Cresencio VILLALOBOS QUESADA was born on 29 Dec 1892 in Encarnacion de
Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico. He died on 26 Dec 1972 in San Luis Potosi, Mexico.
Cresencio VILLALOBOS QUESADA and Maria Luisa PEREZ ALBA were married on 12
Jun 1920 in San Luis Potosi, Mexico.

5. Maria Luisa PEREZ ALBA was born on 1 Oct 1895 in San Luis Potosi,
Mexico. She died on 16 Aug 1984 in San Luis Potosi, Mexico. Cresencio
VILLALOBOS QUESADA and Maria Luisa PEREZ ALBA had the following children:

i. Jose Jesus VILLALOBOS PEREZ was born in 1923.
ii. Maria de los Angles VILLALOBOS PEREZ was born in 1924.
iii. Fernando VILLALOBOS was born in 1926. He died in 1989.
iv. Maria de Refugio VILLALOBOS PEREZ was born in 1927.
2 v. Cresencio Ignacio VILLALOBOS PEREZ.
vi. Juan Manuel VILLALOBOS PEREZ was born in 1939. He died in 1996.

6. Jesus LOMELIN ORTIZ was born in 1890. He died in San Luis Potosi,
Mexico. Jesus LOMELIN ORTIZ and Maria de la Luz SANCHEZ were married.

7. Maria de la Luz SANCHEZ was born in San Luis Potosi, Mexico. She died
in San Luis Potosi, Mexico. Jesus LOMELIN ORTIZ and Maria de la Luz SANCHEZ
had the following children:

3 i. Maria del Refugio LOMELIN SANCHEZ.

Fourth Generation

8. Anacleto VILLALOBOS CORNEJO1 was born on 13 Jul 1862 in Encarnacion de
Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico. Anacleto VILLALOBOS CORNEJO and Maria del Refugio
QUESADA MARTINEZ were married on 16 Feb 1885 in Encarnacion de Diaz,
Jalisco, Mexico.2 Batch Number M602696

9. Maria del Refugio QUESADA MARTINEZ3 was born in Encarnacion de Diaz,
Jalisco, Mexico. Anacleto VILLALOBOS CORNEJO and Maria del Refugio QUESADA
MARTINEZ had the following children:

4 i. Cresencio VILLALOBOS QUESADA.

10. PASTOR PEREZ4,5 was born about 1846. PASTOR PEREZ and MARIA DE LOS
ANGELES DE ALVA JIMENES were married on 14 Feb 1870 in San Juan De Los
Lagos, Jalisco, Mexico.

11. MARIA DE LOS ANGELES DE ALVA JIMENES6,7,8 was christened on 3 Aug 1852
in San Juan De Los Lagos, Jalisco, Mexico. PASTOR PEREZ and MARIA DE LOS
ANGELES DE ALVA JIMENES had the following children:

i. JOSE MARIA PEREZ ALBA9,10 was christened on 9 Jul 1874 in San Juan De
Los Lagos, Jalisco, Mexico.
ii. Maria de Jesus PEREZ was born.
iii. Jose Guadalupe PEREZ ALBA was born.
iv. Antonia PEREZ ALBA was born.
v. Constantina PEREZ ALBA was born.
vi. Trinidad PEREZ was born.
vii. Higinio PEREZ ALBA was born.
5 viii. Maria Luisa PEREZ ALBA.

12. Florencio LOMELIN DIAZ11,12 was christened on 23 Feb 1852 in Santa
Maria De Los Lagos, Lagos De Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico. He died on 6 Jan
1932. He was born in Lagos de Moreno, Jaliscio, Mexico. Florencio LOMELIN
DIAZ and Maria del Refugio ORTIZ LOPEZ were married on 5 Feb 1885 in
Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico.13

13. Maria del Refugio ORTIZ LOPEZ14,15 was christened on 25 Nov 1856 in
Ledesma, Ojuelos, Jalisco, Mexico. She was born in Aguascalientes, Mexico.
She died in Villa de Arriage. Florencio LOMELIN DIAZ and Maria del Refugio
ORTIZ LOPEZ had the following children:

i. Jose Refugios LOMELIN ORTIZ was born.
ii. Miguel LOMELIN ORTIZ was born.
6 iii. Jesus LOMELIN ORTIZ.
iv. Ambrosio LOMELIN ORTIZ was born.
v. Maria Mercedes LOMELIN ORTIZ was born on 13 Apr 1901. She died on 23
Jan 1974.
vi. Maria LOMELIN ORTIZ was born.

Fifth Generation

16. Fernando VILLALOBOS LOPEZ16,17,18 was born on 1 Jun 1838 in San Juan De
Los Lagos, Jalisco, Mexico. He was christened on 1 Jun 1838 in San Juan De
Los Lagos, Jalisco, Mexico. Fernando VILLALOBOS LOPEZ and Seberiana CORNEJO
VILLALOBOS were married on 2 Mar 1859 in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco,
Mexico.

17. Seberiana CORNEJO VILLALOBOS19,20 was born on 26 Feb 1843 in
Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico. She was christened on 26 Feb 1843 in
La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.21 Fernando VILLALOBOS
LOPEZ and Seberiana CORNEJO VILLALOBOS had the following children:

8 i. Anacleto VILLALOBOS CORNEJO.
ii. ALBINO VILLALOBOS CORNEJO22 was christened on 17 Dec 1860 in San Juan
De Los Lagos, Jalisco, Mexico.

18. Refugio QUEZADA23 was born. Refugio QUEZADA and MARTA MARTIN were
married on 25 Oct 1854 in San Juan De Los Lagos, Jalisco, Mexico.

19. MARTA MARTIN24 was born. Refugio QUEZADA and MARTA MARTIN had the
following children:

9 i. Maria del Refugio QUESADA MARTINEZ.
ii. FRANCISCO QUESADA MARTIN25 was christened on 22 Jul 1870 in La
Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
iii. Maria QUEZADA26 was born in La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz,
Jalisco, Mexico.

20. JOSE GUADALUPE PEREZ27,28 was born about 1825. JOSE GUADALUPE PEREZ
and MARIA DE LA CRUZ LOZANO PEREZ were married on 17 Jan 1843 in La
Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.

21. MARIA DE LA CRUZ LOZANO PEREZ29,30,31 was christened on 9 May 1828 in
La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico. JOSE GUADALUPE PEREZ
and MARIA DE LA CRUZ LOZANO PEREZ had the following children:

i. MARIA BELEN PEREZ LOSANO32 was christened on 30 Oct 1843 in La
Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
10 ii. PASTOR PEREZ.
iii. JOSE DE JESUS PEREZ LOZANO33 was christened on 27 Mar 1848 in La
Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
iv. JOSE YSMAEL PEREZ LOZANO34 was christened on 22 Jun 1850 in La
Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.

22. ANACLETO ALBA35 was born. ANACLETO ALBA and FELICITAS DEL REFUGIO
JIMENES MAGDALENO were married.

23. FELICITAS DEL REFUGIO JIMENES MAGDALENO36,37 was christened on 14 Jul
1836 in La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico. ANACLETO ALBA
and FELICITAS DEL REFUGIO JIMENES MAGDALENO had the following children:

11 i. MARIA DE LOS ANGELES DE ALVA JIMENES.
ii. MA. AURELIA ALBA JIMENES38 was christened on 4 May 1854 in San Juan De
Los Lagos, Jalisco, Mexico.
iii. ELIODORO ALVA JIMENES39 was christened on 8 May 1856 in San Juan De
Los Lagos, Jalisco, Mexico.
iv. MARGARITA ALVA JIMENEZ40 was christened on 10 Jun 1858 in San Juan De
Los Lagos, Jalisco, Mexico.
v. NICOLASA ALVA JIMENEZ41 was christened on 11 Sep 1862 in San Juan De
Los Lagos, Jalisco, Mexico.

24. Aniceto LOMELIN ROMO42,43,44 was born on 19 Apr 1814 in Encarnacion de
Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico. He was christened on 19 Apr 1814 in Encarnacion de
Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico. Aniceto LOMELIN ROMO and Felicitas DIAZ were married
on 5 Jun 1838 in Lagos de Moreno, Jaliscio, Mexico.45

25. Felicitas DIAZ46,47 was born. Aniceto LOMELIN ROMO and Felicitas DIAZ
had the following children:

i. Aniceto LOMELIN DIAZ was born.
12 ii. Florencio LOMELIN DIAZ.
iii. Maria del Fefugio LOMELIN DIAZ was born.
iv. AMBROCIO LOMELI DIAS48 was christened on 9 Dec 1847 in Ledesma,
Ojuelos, Jalisco, Mexico.
v. JOSE LUCIO DE LA REFUGIO LOMELIN DIAS49 was christened on 18 Dec 1845
in Santa Maria De Los Lagos, Lagos De Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico.
vi. LUCIANA LOMELIN DIAS50 was christened on 4 Jul 1849 in Ledesma,
Ojuelos, Jalisco, Mexico.
vii. MA PORFIRIA REFUGIO DE JESUS LOMELIN DIAS51 was christened on 27 Feb
1842 in Santa Maria De Los Lagos, Lagos De Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico.
viii. JOSE DE SVISENTE LOMELIN DIAS52 was christened on 20 Jul 1840 in
Santa Maria De Los Lagos, Lagos De Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico.
ix. JESUS MA. LOMELIN DIAS53 was christened on 20 Jul 1840 in Santa Maria
De Los Lagos, Lagos De Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico.
x. JOSE MAURICIO LOMELIN DIAS54 was christened on 24 Sep 1843 in Santa
Maria De Los Lagos, Lagos De Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico.
xi. RAMON LAMBTO. LOMELIN DIAS55 was christened on 16 Apr 1839 in Santa
Maria De Los Lagos, Lagos De Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico.

26. JOSE SANTIAGO DEL REFUGIO ORTIZ FLORES56,57,58,59,60,61,62 was
christened on 5 Dec 1830 in Nuestro Padre Jesus Nazareno, Jesus Maria,
Aguascalientes, Mexico. JOSE SANTIAGO DEL REFUGIO ORTIZ FLORES and MARIA DE
LA CANDELARIA DE LOS DOLORES LOPES RANGEL were married.63,64

27. MARIA DE LA CANDELARIA DE LOS DOLORES LOPES RANGEL65,66,67,68,69,70,71
was christened on 5 Feb 1832 in Senor San Jose, Ojuelos, Jalisco, Mexico.
JOSE SANTIAGO DEL REFUGIO ORTIZ FLORES and MARIA DE LA CANDELARIA DE LOS
DOLORES LOPES RANGEL had the following children:

i. FRANCA. ORTIZ LOPEZ72 was christened on 8 Nov 1851 in Ledesma, Ojuelos,
Jalisco, Mexico.
ii. NESTORA DEL CARMEN ORTIZ LOPEZ73 was christened on 28 Feb 1853 in
Ledesma, Ojuelos, Jalisco, Mexico.
13 iii. Maria del Refugio ORTIZ LOPEZ.
iv. BICTORIANA ORTIZ LOPEZ74 was christened in Aug 1854 in Cienega De
Mata, Ojuelos, Jalisco, Mexico.
v. Sofia ORTIZ LOPEZ75,76 was christened on 29 Jul 1864 in Inmaculada
Concepcion, Cienaga De Mata, Jalisco, Mexico. She was born in Chinanpas.
vi. Maria Alta Gracia ORTIZ77,78 was christened on 18 Dec 1865 in
Inmaculada Concepcion, Cienaga De Mata, Jalisco, Mexico. She was born in
Chinanpas.
vii. Maria Luiza ORTIZ79,80 was christened on 7 Sep 1867 in Inmaculada
Concepcion, Cienaga De Mata, Jalisco, Mexico. She was born in Cienega.
viii. Maria Asuncion ORTIZ81,82 was christened on 27 Aug 1871 in
Inmaculada Concepcion, Cienaga De Mata, Jalisco, Mexico. She was born in
Chinanpas.

Sixth Generation

32. MARCELINO VILLALOBOS LOSANO83,84 was born in 1792 in Villa De La,
Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico. He died in Encarnacion de Diaz,
Jalisco, Mexico. He was buried in Villa De La, Encarnacion De Diaz,
Jalisco, Mexico. MARCELINO VILLALOBOS LOSANO and RITA ESTEFANA LOPES
RAMIRES were married on 14 Feb 1816 in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.

33. RITA ESTEFANA LOPES RAMIRES85,86,87 was born on 1 Jan 1794 in
Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico. She was christened on 12 Jan 1794 in
La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico. She died in
Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico. She was buried in Encarnacion de
Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico. MARCELINO VILLALOBOS LOSANO and RITA ESTEFANA LOPES
RAMIRES had the following children:

i. APOLONIA VILLALOBOS LOPEZ88 was christened on 12 Apr 1818 in La
Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
ii. JOSE ANTONIO VILLALOBOS LOPES89 was christened on 11 May 1819 in La
Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
iii. JOSEF NICOLAS VILLALOVOS LOPEZ90 was christened on 20 Sep 1820 in La
Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
iv. MARIA RITA DE LOS DOLORES VILLALOBOS LOPEZ91 was christened on 26 May
1822 in La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
v. Nepomuceno VILLALOVOS92,93 was born about 1822.
vi. JULIO VILLALOBOS LOPEZ94 was christened on 20 Apr 1824 in La
Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
vii. FILOMENA VILLALOBOS95,96 was born about 1826.
viii. MA. MARTA VILLALOBOS LOPEZ97 was christened on 1 Aug 1830 in San
Juan De Los Lagos, Jalisco, Mexico.
ix. MA. GERONIMA VILLALOBOS LOPEZ98 was christened on 7 Oct 1832 in San
Juan De Los Lagos, Jalisco, Mexico.
16 x. Fernando VILLALOBOS LOPEZ.
xi. J. YSIDRO VILLALOBOS LOPES99,100 was christened on 18 May 1834 in San
Juan De Los Lagos, Jalisco, Mexico. He was born in 1839.
xii. Nieves VILLALOBOS LOPEZ101 was born in 1844.

34. Francisco CORNEJO102 was born. Francisco CORNEJO and Maria de la
Asencion VILLALOBOS were married.

35. Maria de la Asencion VILLALOBOS103 was born. Francisco CORNEJO and
Maria de la Asencion VILLALOBOS had the following children:

17 i. Seberiana CORNEJO VILLALOBOS.

42. Jose Maria LOZANO104,105 was born about 1800. Jose Maria LOZANO and
PRUDENCIA PEREZ were married on 1 Oct 1821 in La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De
Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.

43. PRUDENCIA PEREZ106,107 was born about 1800. Jose Maria LOZANO and
PRUDENCIA PEREZ had the following children:

i. MA. CANDIDA ROSALIA LOZANO PEREZ108 was christened on 10 Sep 1822 in La
Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
ii. MA. DEL REFUGO. PUDENCIANA LOZANO PEREZ109 was christened on 21 May
1826 in La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
21 iii. MARIA DE LA CRUZ LOZANO PEREZ.

46. JOSE DE JESUS JIMENES110,111 was born about 1815. JOSE DE JESUS
JIMENES and DIONICIA MAGDALENO were married on 3 Jun 1835 in La Encarnacion,
Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.

47. DIONICIA MAGDALENO112,113 was born about 1815. JOSE DE JESUS JIMENES
and DIONICIA MAGDALENO had the following children:

i. MARIA LUCIANA JIMENES MAGDALENO114 was christened on 9 Jan 1842 in La
Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
23 ii. FELICITAS DEL REFUGIO JIMENES MAGDALENO.

48. Antonio LOMELIN MARTIN115,116,117,118,119,120,121 was born. Antonio
LOMELIN MARTIN and MARIA THOMASA ROMO OCHOA were married on 7 Jan 1799 in La
Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.122

49. MARIA THOMASA ROMO OCHOA123,124,125,126,127,128,129,130 was christened
on 1 Oct 1777 in Santa Maria De Los Lagos, Lagos De Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico.
Antonio LOMELIN MARTIN and MARIA THOMASA ROMO OCHOA had the following
children:

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Puentes
To: Jose Aguayo
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 3:54 PM
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I see you as a subscribed member now. can you send your below message to the research@nuestrosranchos.org list to see if it goes through? email me as soon as you send it and I'll look to make sure it went through. thanks

here is your previous message:

Subject: Aguayo y Los Aguayos
From: Jose Aguayo Ortega
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 16:29:31 -0700 (PDT)
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org

I have hit the proverbial brick wall on researching the surname Aguayo from the present back to the late 1700s in Aguascalientes. So I decided to try to locate the first Aguayos who came to the New World during the Conquest and work forward from them to see if their was a connection with my research working back. In September 2007, my wife and I visited Cantabria, Spain where legend has the Aguayo surname beginning. Allegedly there were three Goth brothers who participated in the reconquest of Spain during the 12th and 13th centuries. The family gave their name to the region of Aguayo and to three villages -- Santa Olallya de Aguayo, Santa Maria de Aguayo, and San Miguel de Aguayo. We visited all three villages, asked questions about the history of the region, and about the surname. The present villagers knew little about the surname, but we met Manuel Garcia Alonso, who has a home in San Miguel de Aguayo and is a professor at a university in Santander. Alonso has writ

ten Aguayo y los Aguayos, an ethnographic and historical study of the region. According to Alonso and other sources, the Aguayos were gone from the region by the 15th century. They continued fighting in the reconquest around Cordoba, Saenz, and Ejica. For their service to the various kings, they received titles and a coat of arms. This coat of arms is still visible on a Casa Fuerte in San Miguel de Aguayo where they apparently retained some ties to the area. Three Aguayo brothers from Portillo, Spain are listed in the Indice Geobiographico de Pobladores de America. Lorenzo de Aguayo apparently was a member of the Panfilo de Narvaez expedition sent to arrest Cortez in Mexico in 1521. Cortez succeeded in subduing the Narvaez party and getting them to join him in the conquest of Mexico. Lorenzo Aguayo died in that campaign. Diego de Aguayo died in the Cristobal de Olid expedition to Honduras in 1532. Antonio de Aguayo campaigned with Nunez de Guzman in Nuevo Galicia in
1542 and received small encomiendas around Purificacion. His descendants are listed up to the early 1700s in Vasquez y Frias, Genealogia de Nochistlan Antiguo Reino de la Nueva Galicia en el Siglo XVII Segun sus Archivos Parroquiales. I would greatly appreciate information anyone might have about these Aguayos. My hope is that their lineage will connect to mine somewhere in the mid-1700s.

Jose Aguayo wrote:
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Jose Aguayo
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Jose Aguayo, Welcome to the Group. Sorry, I don't have any information on the Aguayo surname. But your post reminded me of the myth of the three brothers. I read this article once that spoke in detail of the myth. I did a quick internet search and this was the best article I found:

http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2006/02/there_were_thre…

Sounds like you have documented sources so I imagine in your case there was actually three brothers... But when I first started researching my genealogy, my father told me the story of the three brothers. I have researched his family six generations and the three brothers do not exist, well at least not yet ;-) . It's curious how everyone has a three brothers story. The original article I read (several years ago) attributed the story to Noah and his three sons who all went off in different directions. You then see it in medieval tales of a King and his three sons. The story gets repeated in fairy tales, etc. I guess three was the magic number.

Good luck on your Search,
Angie Godina

Cristobal,

I found a marriage record in Teocaltiche for FERNDO. DE VILLALOBOS, Spouse: MARIA MARCIANA LOZANO, 23 OCT 1769, on film 0639757, batch M602489(1768 - 1782) in the IGI. When I found the baptism records you have listed below the mother was identified as "Maria Lozano." I don't know if she is Nicolasa or Marciana. I suggest you check the record in the Teocaltiche film.

I also found a marriage record for Jose Manuel De Villalobos, Spouse: Maria Rosalia De Tejeda, 17 Jan 1779, on film 0639757, batch M602489(1768 - 1782) in the IGI. If you check this record you can see if he has the same parents as Fernando. I could not find any record of Jose Manuel married to Nicolasa Losano.

I also found an earlier marriage to Maria de Jesus Gusman in #1155497. I'll look at it tonight and send you the information. Let me know if you wish to have a copy of the record.

David Delgado Lopez in Albany, CA

-----Original Message-----
>From: jcvillalo@prodigy.net.mx
>Sent: Sep 2, 2008 8:19 AM
>To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] New
>
>Dear David P. Delgado
>I was reviewing this information.
>Do you know if Joseph Manuel De Villalobos is brother from Fernando de Villalobos how married with Nicolasa Losano, they lived in Encarnacion Jal, and have the following children:
>. Jun. Josef de Jesus VILLALOBOS LOZANO190 was born on
>20 Jun 1774. He
>was christened on 10 Jul 1774 in Nuestra Senora de Los Dolores, Teocaltiche,
>Jalisco, Mexico.
> ii. MARIA YGNACIA PAULA VILLALOBOS LOZANO191 was
>christened on 12 Mar 1780
>in La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
> iii. JPH. CLETO MARZELINO VILLALOVOS LOZANO192 was
>christened on 12 May
>1782 in La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
> iv. MARIA AGATANA DE LA MERCED VILLALOVOS LOZANO193 was
>christened on 19
>Jan 1785 in La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
> v. JPH. RAPHAEL VILLALOVOS LOZANO194 was christened on
>30 Dec 1783 in La
>Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
> 32 vi. MARCELINO VILLALOBOS LOSANO.
>
>Do you know how are his parents?
>Best regards
>Cristóbal Villalobos
>
>-----Mensaje original-----
>De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de David P. Delgado
>Enviado el: Jueves, 28 de Agosto de 2008 04:03 p.m.
>Para: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] New
>
>Hello Karr,
>
>I looked in the IGI and yes, the record of the ROMO/CORNEJO marriage is in the film I have on loan at the Oakland FHC. I'm not sure whether or not I'll be at the FHC before Tuesday night next. For sure I can email you a scan of the record from the film, #1155497, next week.
>
>I found the marriage of Romo De Vivar/ Franco in Tepatitlan, see below. The marriage of Villalobos/Aranda is in the Lagos de Moreno records. I listed the IGI info and some baptisms below. Talk to you later.
>
>David Delgado Lopez in Albany, CA
>
>**************************************************************************
>MARIA DE LA ASENCION CORNEJO,Spouse: PABLO ROMO
>Marriage: 18 NOV 1822 La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico
>M602693, 1778 - 1830, 1155497
>
>Jose Silberio ROMO VILLALOBOS
>Christening: 24 Jun 1804, Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico
>Father: Gregorio ROMO, Mother: Dolores VILLALOBOS
>Father's Father: Bernabe ROMO, Father's Mother: Gertrudis FRANCO
>Mother's Father: Manuel VILLALOBOS, Mother's Mother: Josefa DE ARANDA
>C602692, 1802 - 1814, 1155173, La Encarnacion VRI
>
>Jose Marcial ROMO VILLALOBOS
>Christening: 05 Jul 1810, Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico
>Father: Gregorio ROMO, Mother: Dolores VILLALOBOS
>Father's Father: Bernabe ROMO, Father's Mother: Gertrudis FRANCO
>Mother's Father: Manuel VILLALOBOS, Mother's Mother: Francisca ARANDA
>C602692, 1802 - 1814 1155173 La Encarnacion VRI
>*************************************************************
>BERNAVE ROMO DE VIVAR, Spouse: ANNA GERTRUDIS FRANCO
>Marriage: 27 JAN 1761 Tepatitlan De Morelos, Jalisco, Mexico
>M603726, 1736 - 1771, 0218517
>******************************************************************************
>JOSEPH MANUEL DE VILLALOBOS, Spouse: MARIA JOSEPHA DE ARANDA
>Marriage: 13 FEB 1773 Santa Maria De Los Lagos, Lagos De Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico
>M604185, 1768 - 1778, 0221516
>
>JOSE MARIA ALBINO VILLALOBOS ARANDA
>Christening: 21 DEC 1773 Santa Maria De Los Lagos, Lagos De Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico
>Father: JOSE MANL. VILLALOBOS, Mother: MARIA JOSEFA ARANDA
>C604134, 1771 - 1775, 0221415
>
>MARIA DE LOS DOLORES SINFOROSA VILLALOBOS ARANDA
>Christening: 12 SEP 1775 Santa Maria De Los Lagos, Lagos De Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico
>Father: JOSEF MANL. VILLALOBOS, Mother: JOSEFA ARANDA
>C604135, 1775 - 1777, 0221416
>
>MARIA GUADALUPE YSIDORA VILLALOBOS ARANDA
>Christening: 13 MAR 1778 Santa Maria De Los Lagos, Lagos De Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico
>Father: JOSE MANUEL VILLALOBOS, Mother: JOSEPHA ARANDA
>C604136, 1777 - 1781, 0221417
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Karr Wolfe
>>Sent: Aug 27, 2008 6:22 PM
>>To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>>Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] New
>>
>>David, I have been a member for a while, but personal matters are keeping me from pursuing extensively my ancestral history. But I have followed your wonderful work with awe. Your mention of the Romo family in Encarnación suggests a connection with my family from that area. I have learned from the registros parroquiales of Encarnación de Díaz (film #1155499) that my GGGGF José de los Santos Romo de Vivar y Cornejo was married on 29 May 1861 to María Guadalupe Pedroza. I have extensive family documentation of Santos life, some of it written by his wife, but only the names of his antecedents.
>>
>>In those parish records, Santos' parents are listed as Pablo Romo (my GGGGGF) and María de la Asención Cornejo, whose marriage is documented in registros parroquiales for José Pablo Romo(christened 28 Mar 1807, per film #1155173 Batch No: C602692, married 18 Nov 1822 in Encarnación).
>>
>>And finally, the following record from the registros parroquiales of Encarnación de Díaz , which lists the father and mother of José Pablo Romo, as well as his grandparents.
>>---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>: Jose Pablo ROMO VILLALOBOS
>>Sex: M
>>
>>Event(s):
>>Christening: 28 Mar 1807 Place: Encarnación de Díaz, Jalisco, Mexico
>>
>>Parents:
>>Father: Gregorio ROMO
>>Mother: Dolores VILLALOBOS
>>
>>Grandparents:
>>Father's Father: Bernabe ROMO
>>Father's Mother: Gertrudis FRANCO
>>Mother's Father: Manuel VILLALOBOS
>>Mother's Mother: Josefa ARANDA
>>---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>I have documented the marriage of Gregorio and Dolores in the registros parroquiales, but my ability to trace my family back into the 18th century stops at Bernabe and Gertrudis, and Manuel and Josefa. I cannot find them in records from Encarnación de Díaz and am guessing that they were neither born nor married in Encarnación. Do you have any information about this branch of the Romo de Vivar family or the other associated families (Cornejo, Villalobos, Franco, Aranda and Pedroza) which would set me on course into the 18th century?
>>
>>Karr Wolfe Romo
>
>
>David P. Delgado

Guenter and others:
I do not know when the practice began of assigning Spanish names to the
indigenous populations in Mexico, but I wouldn't doubt if it happened from
the beginning of the missionary times, because that was their purpose, to
convert the "savages" to Catholicism. That is literally the term they used
in one baptism record I found for the late 1700's from the Mission Santa
Ysabel, Chihuahua, calling the mother and father of the child "savages of
the Apache Nation." The child's name was, of course, Josefa, and the
parent's were Jose and Maria, no last names. The entire book on baptisms of
the Huichol Indians of Huejuquilla El Alto for the late 1700's and early
1800's, were of only Spanish names, all Jose and Maria Valenzuela or
Gonzalez. A very common name used was Juan Nepomuceno and Maria de Jesus.
Given the fact that so many of the villages, pueblos, and ranchos had names
like Papagochic and Uruachic and Memelechic, etc., it is not too surprising
to learn that, when the indigenous person's real name is given, it also ends
in "chic."

I like what Alicia Carrillo said, that "it's the discovery of the new and
unknown" that is the real thrill of genealogy. She got it exactly right for
myself. I mean, all these people I am finding are dead, but piecing
together their lives, filling it out with the history and the geography,
brings it to life in my imagination. It is really fascinating to me and I
feel like I am an explorer, searching for each step on the path that my
ancestors once took and where it led them. To think that part of it
actually led to me, with my brown hair and my brown eyes and my olive skin,
sitting here typing a message to people in other countries, well, that is
amazing!

I am also doing my husband's family history research while I wait for
microfilms of Mexican records to arrive. It has added more interest to the
quest, in that, he is French and English, so I am making some interesting
discoveries that parallel my family ancestry in Spanish and German. Such
as, our own American history begins with the English, the French, and the
Spanish. There are many Spaniards that came to Louisiana, as we know from
history, but to find the same surnames in my husband's family history search
as my own is funny. Like the name, "Sosthene." That is the given name of
his French grandfather and great-grandfather, Sosthene Ardoin. Well, I have
found a few "Sostene's" in Guadalajara, though they are followed by Sanchez
or Vasquez, etc.

Yes, Mexico is a melting pot, part of the New World, just as the USA, with
people immigrating there from all around the world. The Chinese were
brought there to build for the Spanish just as they came to the United
States to do the same and, sadly, Africans were brought to be slaves in New
Spain, too.

Well, my granddaughter just woke up! Gotta go!
Adios, Ciao, Arrivederci, Bon Soir!
Corrine Ardoin
Santa Maria de la Isla de California

Hi everyone,

I'm new to the forum but but have been researching my family history for a while. I am currently a bit lost and hoping for some feedback. I'm looking for the Romo family from Rincon de Romos, Ags. in the late 1880s or early 1900s.

My grandfather was born somewhere in Aguascalientes (most likely Rincon de Romos) in the early 1900s. His name was Isidro Romo. He moved to Juchipila Zacatecas, where my father was born in 1939. I don't have his parents name, which makes the search more difficult.

Does anyone have any tips on how to get this information? Thanks

Minerva

Hello my name is Cristobal

I am new in the system, I am have 5 years making research about the last
names Villalobos, Quesada, Lomelín and Ortiz.

I would like to know if somebody now about the Villalobos in Encarnación de
Diaz( La Chona), Jalisco. I would like to get information before 1800.

My GGGGrandfather was MarcelIno Villalobos Losano how married with Rita
Lopez Ramirez I think the dates of when the were born or married are bad,
maybe Marcelino married several times.

I send you information about:

Descendants of Marcelino VILLALOBOS Losano

Generation No. 1

1. MARCELINO VILLALOBOS2 LOSANO (FERNANDO1 VILLALOBOS) was born 1792 in
Encarnación de Diaz, Jal, and died in Encarnación de Diaz, Jal. He married
RITA LOPEZ RAMIREZ 1837 in Encarnación de Diaz Jal. She was born 01 Ene
1794 in Encarnación de Diaz, Jal, and died in Encarnación de Diaz, Jal.

Children of MARCELINO Villalobos and RITA Lopez RAMIREZ are:

2. i. FERNANDO3 VILLALOBOS, b. 01 Jun 1838, San Juan de
los Lagos, Jal.

3. ii. ISIDRO VILLALOBOS, b. 1839.

4. iii. NIEVES VILLALOBOS, b. 1844.

Generation No. 2

2. FERNANDO3 VILLALOBOS (MARCELINO VILLALOBOS2 LOSANO, FERNANDO1
VILLALOBOS) was born 01 Jun 1838 in San Juan de los Lagos, Jal1. He married
(1) SEBERIANA CORNEJO 02 Mar 1859 in Encarnación de Diaz Jal, daughter of
FRANCISCO CORNEJO and MARIA VILLALOBOS. She was born 26 Feb. 1843 in
Encarnación de Diaz, Jal. He married (2) MARIA DEL REFUGIO CORNEJO 13 Nov.
1867 in Encarnación de Diaz Jal, daughter of IGNACIO CORNEJO and ANA
CORNEJO.

Child of FERNANDO VILLALOBOS and SEBERIANA CORNEJO is:

i. ANACLETO4 VILLALOBOS, b. 13 Jul. 1862, Encarnación
de Diaz, Jal; d. 01 Ene 1935, San Luis Potosí; m. (1) MARIA DEL REFUGIO
QUESADA, 1890; b. Encarnación de Diaz, Jal; m. (2) BONIFACIA FLORES, 1900;
b. 14 May 1873, Las Trojes, Encarnación de Diaz, Jal; d. 19 Ago. 1973, San
Luis Potosí.

Children of FERNANDO VILLALOBOS and MARIA CORNEJO are:

ii. BRIGIDO4 VILLALOBOS.

iii. MARIA DE LOS DOLORES VILLALOBOS.

iv. FRANCISCA VILLALOBOS.

v. PIA VILLALOBOS.

vi. SERGIO VILLALOBOS, m. MARIA VAZQUEZ, 1905.

vii. MARIA MERCEDES VILLALOBOS.

viii. POMPOSA VILLALOBOS.

ix. RAMONA VILLALOBOS, m. JUAN MAYAGOITIA.

x. MARIA DE JESUS VILLALOBOS.

xi. JUANA VILLALOBOS.

xii. GREGORIO VILLALOBOS, m. MARIA DEL REFUGIO ROMO,
1894.

3. ISIDRO3 VILLALOBOS (MARCELINO VILLALOBOS2 LOSANO, FERNANDO1 VILLALOBOS)
was born 1839. He married JACOBA AGUILERA 14 Jul. 1857 in Teocaltiche Jal
(Señora de los dolores), daughter of JOSE AGUILERA and MA. GARCIA. She was
born 1839.

Children of ISIDRO VILLALOBOS and JACOBA AGUILERA are:

i. PEDRO4 VILLALOBOS, b. 1860; m. ASCENCION OROZCO,
1883.

ii. MAXIMINO VILLALOBOS, b. 1864; m. ANASTACIA LOZANO,
1893.

iii. REFUGIO VILLALOBOS, b. 1868; m. JOSEFA CAMPOS,
1895.

iv. AGAPITO VILLALOBOS, b. 20 Sep. 1871, Encarnación de
Diaz, Jal; d. 26 Abr. 1928; m. (1) ROSA GOMEZ, 1901; m. (2) MARIA GUADALUPE
OROZCO, 1914, Ameca Jal.; b. 01 May 1890, Tototlan Jal.; d. 13 Ago. 1940.

4. NIEVES3 VILLALOBOS (MARCELINO VILLALOBOS2 LOSANO, FERNANDO1 VILLALOBOS)
was born 1844. He married MARIA MORA 1877, daughter of PEDRO MORA.

Children of NIEVES VILLALOBOS and MARIA MORA are:

i. LIBRADO4 VILLALOBOS, m. ELIGIA AGUILERA, 1894.

ii. BRUNA VILLALOBOS.

Best reagrds

Cristóbal Villalobos

I have hit the proverbial brick wall on researching the surname Aguayo from the present back to the late 1700s in Aguascalientes. So I decided to try to locate the first Aguayos who came to the New World during the Conquest and work forward from them to see if their was a connection with my research working back. In September 2007, my wife and I visited Cantabria, Spain where legend has the Aguayo surname beginning. Allegedly there were three Goth brothers who participated in the reconquest of Spain during the 12th and 13th centuries. The family gave their name to the region of Aguayo and to three villages -- Santa Olallya de Aguayo, Santa Maria de Aguayo, and San Miguel de Aguayo. We visited all three villages, asked questions about the history of the region, and about the surname. The present villagers knew little about the surname, but we met Manuel Garcia Alonso, who has a home in San Miguel de Aguayo and is a professor at a university in Santander. Alonso has written Aguayo y los Aguayos, an ethnographic and historical study of the region. According to Alonso and other sources, the Aguayos were gone from the region by the 15th century. They continued fighting in the reconquest around Cordoba, Saenz, and Ejica. For their service to the various kings, they received titles and a coat of arms. This coat of arms is still visible on a Casa Fuerte in San Miguel de Aguayo where they apparently retained some ties to the area.
Three Aguayo brothers from Portillo, Spain are listed in the Indice Geobiographico de Pobladores de America. Lorenzo de Aguayo apparently was a member of the Panfilo de Narvaez expedition sent to arrest Cortez in Mexico in 1521. Cortez succeeded in subduing the Narvaez party and getting them to join him in the conquest of Mexico. Lorenzo Aguayo died in that campaign. Diego de Aguayo died in the Cristobal de Olid expedition to Honduras in 1532. Antonio de Aguayo campaigned with Nunez de Guzman in Nuevo Galicia in 1542 and received small encomiendas around Purificacion. His descendants are listed up to the early 1700s in Vasquez y Frias, Genealogia de Nochistlan Antiguo Reino de la Nueva Galicia en el Siglo XVII Segun sus Archivos Parroquiales.
I would greatly appreciate information anyone might have about these Aguayos. My hope is that their lineage will connect to mine somewhere in the mid-1700s.