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Good Labor Day to all!
 
I wanted to reach out to the experts in the group for some help with the Santiago family from Villanueva, Zac.  I was so excited to break one more generation last night on the Santiago branch.  Up to now, I was stuck in the Juchipila/Moyahua area.  The couple is named Felipe de Santiago and Maria de la Candelaria Albares.  They were parents to Maria Catarina de Santiago.  Any insight in working the Villanueva area? What other towns can I focus on through Family Search?  The lists of Santiago in the area go on and on so any insight would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks!!
 
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Feliz Dia del Trabajo a Todos!
 
Necesito un poco de ayuda departe de nuestros expertos del grupo con la familia Santiago de Villanueva, Zac.  Estoy tan emocionada porque anoche pude encontrar una generacion mas de la familia Santiago.  Hasta ahora solo habia podido encontrar en Juchipila/Moyahua.  La pareja se llamaba Felipe de Santiago y Maria de la Candelaria Albares.  Ellos eran los papas de Maria Catarina de Santiago.  Alguna informacion que me ayude a trabajar el area de Villanueva?  Cuales pueblos en los alrededores debo enfocarme a traves de Family Search?  La lista de Santiagos en el area es largisima.  Cualquier ayuda sera muy agradecida.
 
Gracias!!
 
Saludos desde San Antonio, TX!
Sandra Gómez Mendoza

There's a general mis-perception that if you were Español you would have to be white or fair skinned and blonde and blue eyed.

I watch many, many movies that are made throughout latin America and Spain and I have to tell you, based on the movies that I see from Spain, most people in Spain are still mostly brown haired and brown eyed, some blue eyes and some blonde but mostly brown. I also watch many Italian films and have many Italian friends and most are brown eyed and brown haired with a few blonde and blue eyed people, depending on how and with whom they have inter-married.

The fact is that the Spanish people were also a mixed breed with the proximity to northern Africa and taking into consideration that the Moros and the Jews had settled in Spain having come from the Arabian Peninsula. Anyone who has read world history has to know that all the nations of great sailors traveled the world, visiting and settling in foreign lands. We have to look at the historical migration patterns and the great diasporas to understand that even in the 1400's and 1500's people came in all colors, shapes, races and sizes.
Even the bible, especially the old testament talks of wars, invasions and migrations from one country to another. I think it's very naive to believe that because we have Mexican ancestry or are from Mexico that we should be a certain color.

The beauty of genealogical research is that we go where the records lead us. It's the discovery of the new and unknown. It's in making the connection with our past, whatever it is and wherever it leads and having the openness to accept those findings.

This journey of discovery and acceptance is what it's all about. Unfortunately I haven't been able to pursue my research due to other commitments but one day soon I will get back to the thrill of the hunt and the joy of finding and connecting with my ancestors. I don't really give a hoot if they were brown haired or blonde, green, blue or brown eyed. I still remember the first time I went to Central Mexico and we arrived in Jalpa Zacatecas. We walked into a bank and were waiting in a very long line. I kept on staring at some young ladies that were near the front of the line. I really don't know why I was staring at them and not at other people in that same line.

After we left the bank, we went into a loncheria, we were with my uncle, my mother's brother and in this loncheria were the young ladies I'd been staring at in the bank. My uncle sees them and says to me, those are your cousins, your primas hermanas, their father is your father's brother. I guess the reason I'd been staring is that we had many resemblances, we looked alike. I still get chills when I think of this day, how I could not take my eyes off my cousins even when I didn't know who they were.

Regards,
Alicia Carrillo de San Jose, Calif

Great discussion!

What got me started with family history research, was the fact that people
always tell me that I don't look Mexican, but always ask me if I am Native
American (Indian), because of my high cheekbones, my profile, dark skin and
long black hair. So, I decided to start searching for my "Roots" a few
years ago. (Now, this whole family history research is an obsession...er...
a very important interest to me.) People ask me what tribe I am, etc. I
don't know what to say to them, except the usual answer, "Well, my mother is
Mexican and so, ya know, I probably have some native, er, uh, indigenous, er
uh, Mexican Indian in me, ya know?"
My grandmother, surname Martin del Campo (de la yegua rusa) from Jalisco,
was red-haired, white skinned and freckled, but not blue-eyed. I don't look
like her except for the tendency to get freckles. Over the past few years,
as I have worked my way slowly back in time in my research in the areas of
Chihuahua, Sonora, and Jalisco, I have yet to find any indigenous roots. In
Chihuahua, there is certainly a possibility of Raramuri (Tarahumara), but I
don't look anything like them, or Yaqui. In Sonora, there is a possibility
of Opata, though I haven't seen any photos of the Opata. If there was any
Apache, well, that would certainly explain my fiestiness and rebelliousness,
also the fact that my ancestors, the Frias's in Chihuahua were among the
early instigators of the Mexican Revolution and, on my father's side, his
ancestors were among the early American Revolutionaries! So, yeah, I'm a
bit rebellious, you might say ;) And... any Native American on my
German/Scottish father's side, well, hmmm, he never found any in his own
research on his roots.

Well, in the mean time, my mother's side of the tree just gets bigger and
bigger with more and more "Espanolas." So, why do people think I am Indian?
Well, I recently met one of my grandmother's nieces. My mother took a
picture of us together and, wow, we look more like sisters than my real
sister and I did (she is deceased now). I just marvel at this picture.
Now, the only family we have in common is the Martin del Campo's. Her
mother and my grandmother were sisters. She has the same shape to her face
as mine, so my facial features had to come from that line, though my
research is stuck still in Guadalajara. My research is very slow with that
family. Then, I thought of my mom's great-grandmother, Rita Robles. She
was my grandmother's grandmother who married Ismael Martin del Campo.

Then, I realized, what am I doing? I'm just a "Heinz 57." That's all there
is to it and, whether or not there is any native blood in me, all I can say
to that is this: We are all descended from indigenous peoples somewhere in
the world, indigenous Celts, Welsh, Irish, European, Middle Eastern, etc.
etc. We were all once indigenous to someplace.

So, race no longer drives my research. There was something that John Schmal
wrote that, if you have Mexican ancestry, the chances of having indigenous
blood is pretty certain and you won't be able to find out what, because it
was not always recorded. I beg to differ, somewhat. I have found Huichol
Indian baptism records in my research in Huejuquilla El Alto. And, I have
found Apache baptism records in my research in Chihuahua and there have been
others. This could go on and on.......but like others have said, there are
a few "Josefa Valenzuela's" in my family tree, those generic Spanish names
assigned to the native peoples of Mexico.

Well, this is a discussion that is a long one.
Later, gators!
Corrine Ardoin
Santa Maria, California

Sunday, August 31, 2008

Dear Corrine--

I loved your email. It reminded me of the discussions I have had about certain members of the family--things like if you are left-handed you are probably with this family, or if you are long and lean in the face, probably from that family, if you have a long torso but short legs, you are from yet another family. Then the eyes are interesting because some have blue or green or brown and look like their so and so cousins.

In our family, from my husband's side and mine, we come from many nations. Then you throw in the daughter-in-laws (we have four sons, no daughters) and you find representatives from the Philippines, Shites in Ohio, and the founders of San Diego, California. While some people seem to only have family lines from a few countries, ours are many. One advantage to that comes every four years when it is time for the World Soccer Cup. We can almost always find some team to cheer for into the finals, even if that part of the family tree is very small.

Discrimination is an evil. It comes in many forms. Some people still practice the "I am better than you are because....." I find that dull and dreary. I would rather take each new culture and find the best parts and add it to our family's beliefs. The bad, we just throw away.

September is coming...

We are almost to September and I am looking forward to the discussions we can have about Mexican Independence from Spain in 1810. Many years ago, when I was researching my husband's side on the GARCIA family, I told someone that Ramon was related to the GALLAGAS. That person did not believe me. He suggested a few other names instead. Nope, it was GALLAGA.

Yes, my husband is related to Padre Miguel Hidalgo, from whom we get the grito and repeat it on September 16th and yes, he is also related to some of the others in New Spain/ Mexico who were against the fight for independence.

Miguel Gregorio Antonio Ygnacio HIDALGO
Bap. 8 May 1753
Correlejo, Guanajuato, Mexico

Son of Cristobal HIDALGO y Costilla and
Anna Maria GALLAGA Mandarte born in Michoacan

Grandson of Juan de San Pedro GALLAGA born 4 Feb 1703
La Barca, Jalisco, Mexico and
Joaquina de VILLASENOR y LOMELIN CORTES ENRIQUES de SILVA

Greatgrandson of Fernando GALLAGA MANDARTE Y LOMELIN
born about 1670 in Ahualulco de Mercado, Jalisco, Mexico
and Maria NAVARRO de SAMORA y SOLIS
born 27 Mar 1671 in La Barca, Jalisco, Mexico.

The Godinez connection is with Fernando GALLAGA MANDARTE Y LOMELIN
and the second wife,
Francisca Xabiera SANCHES Cabrales
born about 1695
and their son, Geronimo Nasario GALLAGA
born 3 Feb 1724 in Santa Clara, Ocotlan, Jalisco and
married to Anna Mariana ROMERO on 2 Jan 1749.

Please note--Geronimo Nasario GALLAGA was also the great, great, grandson of Carlo LOMELINI of Genoa, Liguria, Italy and Maria BENAVIDES of Nochistlan, Zacatecas.

Sincerely,
Patricia Burton
Patricia Diane GODINEZ
San Diego, Ca.

--- On Sun, 8/31/08, Corrine Ardoin wrote:

> From: Corrine Ardoin
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] What Got Me Started- Race & Family History
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Sunday, August 31, 2008, 5:59 PM
> Great discussion!
>
> What got me started with family history research, was the
> fact that people
> always tell me that I don't look Mexican, but always
> ask me if I am Native
> American (Indian), because of my high cheekbones, my
> profile, dark skin and
> long black hair. So, I decided to start searching for my
> "Roots" a few
> years ago. (Now, this whole family history research is an
> obsession...er...
> a very important interest to me.) People ask me what tribe
> I am, etc. I
> don't know what to say to them, except the usual
> answer, "Well, my mother is
> Mexican and so, ya know, I probably have some native, er,
> uh, indigenous, er
> uh, Mexican Indian in me, ya know?"
> My grandmother, surname Martin del Campo (de la yegua rusa)
> from Jalisco,
> was red-haired, white skinned and freckled, but not
> blue-eyed. I don't look
> like her except for the tendency to get freckles. Over the
> past few years,
> as I have worked my way slowly back in time in my research
> in the areas of
> Chihuahua, Sonora, and Jalisco, I have yet to find any
> indigenous roots. In
> Chihuahua, there is certainly a possibility of Raramuri
> (Tarahumara), but I
> don't look anything like them, or Yaqui. In Sonora,
> there is a possibility
> of Opata, though I haven't seen any photos of the
> Opata. If there was any
> Apache, well, that would certainly explain my fiestiness
> and rebelliousness,
> also the fact that my ancestors, the Frias's in
> Chihuahua were among the
> early instigators of the Mexican Revolution and, on my
> father's side, his
> ancestors were among the early American Revolutionaries!
> So, yeah, I'm a
> bit rebellious, you might say ;) And... any Native
> American on my
> German/Scottish father's side, well, hmmm, he never
> found any in his own
> research on his roots.
>
> Well, in the mean time, my mother's side of the tree
> just gets bigger and
> bigger with more and more "Espanolas." So, why
> do people think I am Indian?
> Well, I recently met one of my grandmother's nieces.
> My mother took a
> picture of us together and, wow, we look more like sisters
> than my real
> sister and I did (she is deceased now). I just marvel at
> this picture.
> Now, the only family we have in common is the Martin del
> Campo's. Her
> mother and my grandmother were sisters. She has the same
> shape to her face
> as mine, so my facial features had to come from that line,
> though my
> research is stuck still in Guadalajara. My research is
> very slow with that
> family. Then, I thought of my mom's great-grandmother,
> Rita Robles. She
> was my grandmother's grandmother who married Ismael
> Martin del Campo.
>
> Then, I realized, what am I doing? I'm just a
> "Heinz 57." That's all there
> is to it and, whether or not there is any native blood in
> me, all I can say
> to that is this: We are all descended from indigenous
> peoples somewhere in
> the world, indigenous Celts, Welsh, Irish, European, Middle
> Eastern, etc.
> etc. We were all once indigenous to someplace.
>
> So, race no longer drives my research. There was something
> that John Schmal
> wrote that, if you have Mexican ancestry, the chances of
> having indigenous
> blood is pretty certain and you won't be able to find
> out what, because it
> was not always recorded. I beg to differ, somewhat. I
> have found Huichol
> Indian baptism records in my research in Huejuquilla El
> Alto. And, I have
> found Apache baptism records in my research in Chihuahua
> and there have been
> others. This could go on and on.......but like others have
> said, there are
> a few "Josefa Valenzuela's" in my family
> tree, those generic Spanish names
> assigned to the native peoples of Mexico.
>
> Well, this is a discussion that is a long one.
> Later, gators!
> Corrine Ardoin
> Santa Maria, California

One of the goals in doing genealogy for me is to instill pride and responsibility in the coming years in generations yet to come. As my grandmother told me, "you don't know who you are if you don't know where you come from." She said this at a family reunion where the new generations no longer speak Spanish and had brought many other nationalities into our lines. She cried as she said there would not be a Mexican in the family in 50 years. My research honors her and makes sure we know our roots and sometimes humble and sometimes proud beginnings. My goal is never to loose any part of my heritage even though we sometimes seem to focus on the Spanish lines.

Daniel and I are both aware that original first and last names were taken from Indigenous and black slave lines and they were given other surnames either by the church or in honor of people they respected or worked for or who owned them or even chance. Daniel and I share the Mendez line since our Mendez gr-grandparents were siblings. We also share black slave lines and Indian lines, we just can't find thier ancestors since they lost their names to "progress." Daniel and I are both very proud of all the ancestors who got us here but to be honest it's easier to trace the Spaniards so they sometimes appear to be our only focus. I wish I had been 14 years old like Daniel (who is our youngest member) when I started researching instead of having to wait until I retired to have the time and money to pursue this passion. With Nuestros Ranchos we get to share, feel pride and share the responsibility of finding correct and truthful information even when the truth makes us uncomfortable or surprises us.

I hope we never loose or focus or common goal.

Linda in B.C.

--- On Sat, 8/30/08, Daniel Mendez wrote:

From: Daniel Mendez
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] New
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Saturday, August 30, 2008, 9:12 AM

I am sure Lomelini is from ITaly, about the indígenas being Lomelini, I
believe it might be since
it was custom for slaves to take on their "master's" surname, it
is possible a mulatto line. Mine aare usually registered as Español, eventhough
their italian, in México all white people would be
considered spanish eventhough their actually portuguese or italian, french,
etc. -Daniel

Saturday, August 30, 2008

Dear Researchers--

One of my favorite books is called History of Mexico by Inigo Fernandez, translated by David Castledine. The first edition was published in 2002 and my fifth reprint was done in 2006. In Chapter 2, The Conquest of Mexico and the Viceroyalty (1519-1808), pg 41-42, it states the following:

"At the very top of New Spain's society were the Spaniards who, because of having carried out the Conquest or being descendents of them, had taken possession of the these lands. In time, two types of Spaniards were differentiated: those from Europe (peninsulares) and those born in Mexico (criollos). The strange thing was that although the law laid down that both were Spaniards, in practice the peninsulares discriminated against the criollos.

"Many of the European-born Spaniards who arrived in the country during the colonial era came with the viceroys: poor professionals wanting to make headway, opportunists who were looking to make quick fortunes and soldiers. Most of them shared the ambition to become rich, some by legal means, others illicitly. Obviously, the peninsulares held the best administrative and religious posts, and were held in high esteem by criollos, who dreamed of their daughters marrying into their families to gain prestige and improve their social status. Most peninsular Spaniards lived in the large cities of New Spain.

" The criollos felt proud of being Spanish, even though the Crown allowed them to occupy only minor administrative and religious posts. This situation, irksome to the criollos, came to be so ridiculous that even a "scientific" justification was sought which held that those born in New Spain were inferior because the prevailing climate made them weak of character and there was no solution to this degenerative process.

"Criollos wanted the Crown to allow them to rise to pending posts and very few thought about independence since most of them just wanted to see a change within the viceroyalty. Criollo reaction centered rather on a strong current pride in having been born in America, which has been named criollismo.

"For many, the great frustration of New Spain's criollos lay in the fact that they were just as Spanish as the peninsulares, had greater economic power than the Europeans, but were not admitted into political power. In short, they shared culture, traditions and a sense of belonging with the peninsulares, but were treated as second-class Spaniards."

I have found that the more I study the history of Mexico, the picture I have/had is not always the same or true according to the people of that time and place. It really is important to read widely on the subject and ask the experts.

Sincerely,
Diane G.

--- On Sat, 8/30/08, Daniel Mendez wrote:

> From: Daniel Mendez
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] New
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Saturday, August 30, 2008, 9:12 AM
> I am sure Lomelini is from ITaly, about the indígenas being
> Lomelini, I believe it might be since
> it was custom for slaves to take on their
> "master's" surname, it is possible a mulatto
> line. Mine aare usually registered as Español, eventhough
> their italian, in México all white people would be
> considered spanish eventhough their actually portuguese or
> italian, french, etc. -Daniel
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Hola Every one ,Is Juan de Padilla (married to Petrona de Siordia ) son of one of the Padilla Davilas? I believe some one had mentioned it or I read it some where ,can't remember.
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To All Members,

Please change your address lists to reflect my new e-mail address, rayjaur@comcast.net.

Raymond Jauregui

primos out there. I figure that with these records, life might be easier on
those that have contacted me about my search. Here is pretty much every
detail up to my grandmother's generation(which is currently mixed living and
deceased). As can be noted, the family has at least 1 case of confirmed
cousin marriage, possibly 2. The confusion is noted, as I have direct
statements from my grandmother and I have an old text my father copied down
some random night where he sat her and her sisters down to get the family
history. Thanks to all Valparaisanos and the rest of you who have been
immensely helpful so far.

Descendents of MARGARITO VALDEZ(farthest ancestor traced)

Generation 1:
1MARGARITO LLANOS Y VALDEZ was born 1829 in Mexico and died circa 1917 in
Mexico. He was the son of a (?) VALDEZ with the maiden name LLANOS. He was
married to a cousin 2MARIA ROSA RIVAS DE VALDEZ. She was born in 1841.

Point of Interest: Two differing sources on cousin marriage. One source
notes MARGARITO VALDEZ and MARIA ROSA RIVAS DE VALDEZ were cousins, while
the other places this at Generation 2. Possible that both were seperate
cases of cousin marriage.

Children of MARGARITO LLANOS Y VALDEZ and MARIA ROSA RIVAS DE VALDEZ are:
3. i. MARIA DEL REFUGIO VALDEZ (only known)

Generation 2:
3MARIA DEL REFUGIO VALDEZ married AURELIO RIVAS. AURELIO RIVAS was born
abt. 1870-1873(2 conflicting sources) in Mexico.
Point of Interest: It should be noted that a source identifies 3MARIA DEL
REFUGIO VALDEZ as the 1st cousin of AURELIO RIVAS. In this source, she is
referred to as *REFUGIO "CUCA" RIVAS VALDEZ. This peculiarity may be
indication of another cousin marriage or may indicate confusion on which
generation was cousins.

Children of 3MARIA DEL REFUGIO VALDEZ/*REFUGIO "CUCA" RIVAS VALDEZ are:
4. i. JESUS RIVAS b. 5-19-1896, Zacatecas(unsure if city or state), married
MARIA SALAS(b. Abt 1895)
5. ii. ROSA RIVAS
6. iii. CUCA RIVAS
7. iv. LUPE RIVAS
8. v. LUCITA RIVAS married ELIAS APUD(DAVISH?) in Val Paraiso, Zacatecas,
Mexico. ELIAS APUD(DAVISH?) was born in Syria and was murdered in Val
Paraiso,Zacatecas, Mexico during the early 1920s.

Generation 3:
4JESUS RIVAS b. May 19, 1896, Zacatecas, Mexico married MARIA SALAS c.1917.
MARIA SALAS was born Abt. 1895, Val Paraiso, Zacatecas, Mexico, d.
12-5-1964, Pacheco Pass, California, USA. Afterward, he married EMILITA
AVILA.

Children of 4JESUS RIVAS and MARIA SALAS (mixed living and deceased,
therefore names withheld but birthplace and date recorded):
9. i.(Name withheld) b. 5-4-1916, Val Paraiso, Zacatecas, Mexico
10. ii.(Name withheld) b. 2-5-1918, Val Paraiso, Zacatecas, Mexico
11. iii.(Name withheld) b. 12-29-1920, Reedley, California, USA
12. iv.(Name withheld) b. 2-17-1922, Reedley, California, USA
13. v. (Name withheld) b. 5-28-1923, Reedley, California, USA
14. vi. (Name withheld) b.8-25-1925, Reedley, California, USA
15. vii. JESUS b. Abt 1925-1929;d. in infancy, Reedley,California, USA
16. viii. MARGARITO b. Abt 1925-1929; d. in infancy, Reedley, California,
USA
17. ix. (Name withheld) b.5-8-1929, Reedley, California, USA
18. x. (Name withheld) b.9-25-1931, Reedley, California, USA
19. xi. (Name withheld) b.8-25-1933, Aromas, California, USA ***** Still
living, source of connection to this family
20. xii. (Name withheld) b.7-25-1953

-----------------------START FOR MATRILINEAL SIDE OF OLDEST LIVING
RELATIVE------------------------
Descendents of NARCISO SALAS

Generation 1
1NARCISO SALAS married MARGARITA FLORES. MARGARITA FLORES d. Abt. 1897

Their children are:
2. i. MARIA SALAS b. Abt. 1895,Val Paraiso, Zacatecas, Mexico, d. 12-5-1964,
Pacheco Pass, California, USA
(only known)

Generation 2
2MARIA SALAS b. Abt. 1895, Val Paraiso, Zacatecas, Mexico, married to JESUS
RIVAS b. 5-19-1896, Zacatecas, Mexico d. Abt. 1977, Val Paraiso, Mexico, c.
1917(wedding date)

Their children are:
3. i. (Name withheld) b. 5-4-1916, Val Paraiso, Zacatecas, Mexico
4. ii.(Name withheld) b. 2-5-1918, Val Paraiso, Zacatecas, Mexico
5. iii.(Name withheld) b. 12-29-1920, Reedley, California, USA
6. iv.(Name withheld) b. 2-17-1922, Reedley, California, USA
7. v.(Name withheld) b. 5-28-1923, Reedley, California, USA
8. vi. (Name withheld) b.8-25-1925, Reedley, California, USA
9. vii. JESUS b. Abt 1925-1929;d. in infancy, Reedley,California, USA
10. viii. MARGARITO b. Abt 1925-1929; d. in infancy, Reedley, California,
USA
11. ix.(Name withheld) b.5-8-1929, Reedley, California, USA
12. x.(Name withheld) b.9-25-1931, Reedley, California, USA
13. xi.(Name withheld) b.8-25-1933, Aromas, California, USA ***** Still
living, source of connection to this family
14. xii.(Name withheld) b.7-25-1953

-----------------PATRILINEAL DESCENT OF AURELIO RIVAS until JESUS
RIVAS----------------
Generation 1
1REFUGIO RIVAS married RITA GALLEGOS

Their children are:
2. i. AURELIO RIVAS b. Abt. 1870-1873, Mexico, married to MARIA DEL REFUGIO
VALDEZ/*REFUGIO "CUCA" RIVAS VALDEZ
(only known)

>
> Children of 2AURELIO RIVAS and MARIA DEL REFUGIO VALDEZ/*REFUGIO "CUCA"
> RIVAS VALDEZ are:
> 4. i. JESUS RIVAS b. 5-19-1896, Zacatecas(unsure if city or state),
> married MARIA SALAS(b. Abt 1895)
> 5. ii. ROSA RIVAS
> 6. iii. CUCA RIVAS
> 7. iv. LUPE RIVAS
> 8. v. LUCITA RIVAS married ELIAS APUD(DAVISH?) in Val Paraiso, Zacatecas,
> Mexico. ELIAS APUD(DAVISH?) was born in Syria and was murdered in Val
> Paraiso,Zacatecas, Mexico during the early 1920s.

A month ago I found and requested the IGI record for the marriage of Juan de Padilla Sorro to Petrona de Siordia (misspelled Giordia in the IGI record), hoping to find additional information on this couple. The marriage took place in El Sagrario, Aguascalientes on 14 February 1616 (Batch M604761 Source Call 0299421). After an anxious wait today I received the reply that this record could not be found. I do not have access to that film at the local center to search it myself. Has anyone been able to locate this record? I would certainly appreciate a copy of the image or a transcript of the entire text.

Thanks

Jaime

So how would we go about finding a direct descendant of Baltasar Temiño
de Bañuelos??? Are there trees out there for this line already? I'd love
to compare the YDNA from the groups Banuelos SIG with the YDNA of a
direct descendant of Baltasar Temiño de Bañuelos.

Can someone point me to a direct descendant so I can ask them for a YDNA
sample???

thanks,

joseph

ps: I've got $20 that I can invest in getting some YDNA testing for a
direct descendant of Baltasar Temiño de Bañuelos if they haven't already
done so.

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Greetings from Lockhart, Tx: I need help with backtracking my Bañuelos ancestors. Marcelo Gonzales Bañuelos b 7 Jan 1859 in Juanchorrey Zac, son of Juan Jose Jesus Gonzales and Maria de Jesus Bañuelos b abt 1837, daughter of Anacelso (Aka Cleto) Bañuelos and Clemencia Carlos. Any help is appreciated as the present dialogue is very interesting. Thanks - Anita

Tuesday, August 25, 2008

Dear Sophia-

Do you have a Tomo and page number for the information below? I like to have my sources documented, in case a challenge comes up.

Many thanks.

Sincerely,
Patricia Burton
San Diego, Ca.

--- On Tue, 8/26/08, sophia wrote:

> From: sophia
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Angela de Temiño y Velasco
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 11:21 AM
> Hello Phyls,
>
> I imagine that that the Angela your asking about is Angela
> de Velasco y Figueroa Termino de Beñuelos, who was married
> to Diego Flores de Torre (1540-1653) Guadalajara.
> I have her parents as Francisco Figueroa y Carbajal and Ana
> Maria Bañuelos.
> "Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia"
>
>
> Sofia
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Who are the parents of Angela de Temiño y Velasco?

.....I know this is probably in some of the emails but I must have missed the information.

Thanks, Phyls

Hello,

I was wondering if anyone is also researching the following families in the Tepetongo and Jerez De Garcia Salinas areas in Zacatecas.

Benito Salas (Morales) and Teodora Anguiano
Children
Feliciana 1876
Marcos 1878
Ascension 1884

Thank You,
Orlando Vasquez

Monday, August 25, 2008

Dear Claudia--

Not sure if anyone else has been able to help you yet with the name of Inurriaga. It looked a bit familiar to me but I have it spelled two different ways--

1.TURRIAGA
2.YTURRIAGA

You might try both of these spellings and see if they will lead you to the names you want. I found seven people with this as their last name in the time period of 1812 to 1881, in Jalisco. That was the father's name, his son's, and the grandfather's five grandchildren. These were not direct line relatives so I did not go further but I am sure there will be more with this name and it is probably YTURRIAGA.

Good luck.

Sincerely,
Patricia Burton
AKA Patricia Diane Godinez
San Diego, Ca.

--- On Wed, 8/20/08, Claudia_Reynoso wrote:

> From: Claudia_Reynoso
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] INURRIAGA in Jalisco - c. 1800-1875
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Wednesday, August 20, 2008, 12:15 AM
> Hi all...has anyone found this name in their searches around
> ? Looking for Silvestre, whose mother's maiden name was
> (possibly) FRANCO.
>
> Inurriaga doesn't seem to be such a popular name.
> Please advise if you have a tip!
>
>

Dear Friends .

I Would like to know if somebody may help me to improve this information
from my Lomelín line.

I send you the information that I have.

Descendants of Nicolas Lomelín

Generation No. 1

1. NICOLAS1 LOMELIN He married ANA MARIA MARTIN.

Child of NICOLAS LOMELIN and ANA MARTIN is:

2. i. ANTONIO2 LOMELIN.

Generation No. 2

2. ANTONIO2 LOMELIN (NICOLAS1) He married TOMASA ROMO, daughter of MIGUEL
ROMO and ANA OCHOA.

Child of ANTONIO LOMELIN and TOMASA ROMO is:

3. i. ANICETO3 LOMELIN, b. 19 Abr. 1814, Encarnación de
Diaz, Jal.

Generation No. 3

3. ANICETO3 LOMELIN (ANTONIO2, NICOLAS1) was born 19 Abr. 1814 in
Encarnación de Diaz, Jal. He married FELICITAS DIAZ 05 Jun. 1838 in Lagos
de Moreno Jal( Santa Maria de los Lagos).

Children of ANICETO LOMELIN and FELICITAS DIAZ are:

i. ANICETO4 LOMELIN.

4. ir. FLORENCIO LOMELIN, b. 1852, Lagos Jal; d. 06 Ene
1932.

iii. MARIA DEL REFUGIO LOMELIN.

Generation No. 4

4. FLORENCIO4 LOMELIN (ANICETO3, ANTONIO2, NICOLAS1) was born 1852 in Lagos
Jal, and died 06 Ene 1932. He married MARIA DEL REFUGIO ORTIZ 05 Feb 1885
in Aguascalientes (Iglesia del Sagrario), daughter of JOSE ORTIZ and
CANDELARIA LOPEZ. She was born 1857 in Aguascalientes, and died in Villa de
Arriaga.

Children of FLORENCIO LOMELIN and MARIA ORTIZ are:

i. JOSE REFUGIO5 LOMELIN, m. CONCEPCION MARTINEZ.

ii. MIGUEL LOMELIN.

iii. JESUS LOMELIN, b. 1890; d. San Luis Potosí; m.
MARIA DE LA LUZ SANCHEZ, San Luis Potosí; b. San Luis Potosí; d. San Luis
Potosí.

iv. AMBROSIO LOMELIN.

v. MARIA MERCEDEZ LOMELI, b. 13 Abr 1901; d. 23 Ene
1974; m. ANTONIO VELASCO DOSAL, 19 Nov 1923; b. 27 Abr 1900; d. 12 Mar 1970.

vi. MARIA LOMELIN, m. LEON FLORES GRANADOS, 16 Oct 1930.

Jesus Lomelín is my Mother´s Father.

Thanks a lot

J.CRISTOBAL Villalobos Lomelín.

Dear Friends

I am looking information about my ggfather Anacleto de Alba, we think he is
from San Juan de los Lagos, Jal, and also from my Gfather Pastor Perez,
also from San Juan de los Lagos.

I send you the information that I have, all that you can help in all the
tree would be great.

Descendants of Anacleto De Alba

Generation No. 1

1. ANACLETO1 DE ALBA He married FELICITAS JIMENEZ. She was born 1830.

Child of ANACLETO DE ALBA and FELICITAS JIMENEZ is:

2. i. MARIA DE LOS ANGELES DE ALBA2 JIMENEZ, b. 1852; d.
1940.

Generation No. 2

2. MARIA DE LOS ANGELES DE ALBA2 JIMENEZ (ANACLETO1 DE ALBA) was born 1852,
and died 1940. She married PASTOR PEREZ LOZANO 14 Feb 1870 in San Juan de
los Lagos Jal., son of GUADALUPE PEREZ and CRUZ LOZANO. He was born 1846,
and died 1918.

Children of MARIA JIMENEZ and PASTOR LOZANO are:

i. JOSE MARIA3 PEREZ, m. CLAUDIA DE ANDA.

ii. MARIA DE JESUS PEREZ, m. FRANCISCO DE ALBA.

iii. JOSE GUADALUPE PEREZ.

iv. ANTONIA PEREZ.

v. CONSTANTINA PEREZ.

vi. TRINIDAD PEREZ, m. ELVIRA CONSUELO ZARZOZA.

vii. HIGINIO PEREZ, m. NATALIA.

viii. MARIA LUISA PEREZ, b. 11 Oct 1895, San Luis Potosi;
d. 16 Ago 1984, San Luis Potosi; m. CRESCENCIO VILLALOBOS, 12 Jun 1920, San
Luis Potosi ( Santuario de Guadalupe); b. 29 Dic 1892, Encarnacion de Diaz,
Jal; d. 26 Dic 1972, San Luis Potosi.

Best regards

Cristóbal Villalobos

Sunday, August 24, 2008

Dear Ranchos Group--

I have two comments in regard to this listing by Daniel.

1. My husband and I had the opportunity a few years ago to visit Yahualica, Jalisco. It is a most beautiful place and unlike any other part in Mexico. If this is where your families lines go, try to plan a trip to see the land. It is absolutely incredible. At the time of our visit, we only had a camera for pictures. However the grandeur and scope of the place can only be appreciated first hand or as a poor second choice, through the offerings of a video camera. Additionally, this place was seen by Pope John Paul II and there is a statue near the church to commemorate his visit.

2. It is a fact of life that mistakes can be made in reading old documents. One of the things that bothered me, way back, was finding the marriage for one of our Godinez ancestors to a De La Torre ancestor, listed as 1892 when it should have been 1882. On the other side of the coin, the couple married in a place I never would have recognized and because there was a film number, I could look at a copy of the document and correct it. Personally, I would rather have many names to look at and possibly find the correct one than to have little to no information to review.

Bottom line...isn't Family History the greatest way to pass the time of day? Every new find leads to another and another and when we can't get it quite right, we can still make guesses. All in all, our understanding grows (along with our list of cousins and new friends) as we seek to know who we are and where we came from.

Good hunting to all.

Sincerely,
Patricia Burton
AKA Patricia Diane Godinez
San Diego, Ca.

--- On Thu, 8/21/08, Daniel Mendez wrote:

> From: Daniel Mendez
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] YAHUALICA, Jalisco - GONZALEZ, LISARDE, VASQUEZ, LEDESMA (Marriage films anyone?)
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Thursday, August 21, 2008, 8:57 PM
> Just a common misread when the films were being indexed for
> the IGI, LISARDE was misread for
> LISALDE, of whom are the original family of López de
> Elisalde. When searching still try to look up with Lisarde
> since most of them are under that because of a simple
> mistake. -Daniel
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Hi all, I'm going to try this again. I have been trying to locate information on the Bustamante family from Aguascalientes. Cruz was born about 1878, it is called Santa Rosalie on some postings, but his death cert. has aguascalientes. He married Rafaela Garcia where they ended up in El Paso Texas. My question is how do I even find Cruz Bustamante? I can't seem to locate any Bustamantes in Aguas., I can find him on the Pilot program, but want to work with Nuestros. I just can't seem to find any information on them. Cruz might have been a Jr., as I find in my search others, with different birth years. I do know that Rafaela Garcia's family was F. Concepcion Garcia and M. was Cristina Sosa. Any suggestions on how to find them? Any would be a help. Thanks lupe

Hola amigos, primos and fellow geneologists.

My search this week is in Yahualica, where I am working on extending my Gonzalez line, and I am stuck. Maybe a fellow member can assist with the following...

I descend from the Gonzalez-Lisarde, Gonzalez-Vasquez, and Vasquez-Ledesma from that area. I am having difficulty finding the parents in the following marriages that took place at parroquia San Miguel in Yahualica:

DATE: 25 Apr 1836
GROOM: German Gonzalez
BRIDE: Ancelma Lisarde
no parents listed in IGI

DATE: 13 Sep 1797
GROOM: Jose Geronimo Vasquez
BRIDE: Maria del Refugio Ledesma
no parents listed in IGI

Does anyone have access to the films for Yahualica on these dates?

HI, I am new to the list. I am looking for the ancestors of two couples who lived in San Marcos, Jalisco Gregorio Sanchez (b. abt 1879) and his wife Heliodora Sanchez (b. abt 1883) ; Brigido Garcia (b. abt 1839) and his wife Maria Yldelfonsa Huidor (b. abt 1864) who had had least one child, Cirilo, christened in San Francisco de Asis, Zocalco de Torres, Jalisco on 31 July 1887.

Also looking for ancestry of Gregorio Macias (abt 1875 - 1937) and his wife Cipriana Elvira Gomez (abt 1879 - 1979) who lived in Tizapan el Alta, Jalisco where their son Federico was born. Gregorio may have been born at San Juan Evangelista,

Also looking for ancestry of Aurora Vazquez, who was born 19 Mar 1906 Huejotitan, Jalisco, daughter of
Jose Vazquez and Agustina Ramirez. Aurora died 8 Mar 1957 at Zapotitan, Jalisco, Mexico. She marriread Federico Macias (above) abt 1900.

Hola Pariente ,perdoname ,ando perdido. I have Diego de La Torre married to Beatriz Anda Altamirano. His son Diego casado con Isabel Arias de Orozco Valdez. Again his son Diego married to Teresa Gonzalez de Hermosillo. Where do I piece Diego con Angela Velasco ?
tu pariente muy confundido
Ronnie
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I have some data for: Manuel \MICHEL Zamora, I hope I can connect you with the whole MICHEL tree, contact me so we can share information

Hi all...has anyone found this name in their searches around ? Looking for Silvestre, whose mother's maiden name was (possibly) FRANCO.

Inurriaga doesn't seem to be such a popular name. Please advise if you have a tip!