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Subject: Re: Responses to your question
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:31:37 -0800
From:
To: Joseph Puentes
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Hi,
My distant uncle, Dimas Marquez, told me that Pedro Marquez, who wrote
the book "La Historia de San Juan de los Lagos" told him that Diego
Marquez came from Sauz de los Marquez. Now, Pedro never told Dimas about
Jusepe Marquez who got married in 1614 in Santa Maria de los Lagos (now
Lagos de Moreno). So, I don't know how Pedro found that information but
he mistook Diego M. of 1617, son of Jusepe M., for Diego M. of the
1500's. Dimas told me that he had never heard of Jusepe M. Pedro statrs
his book just after the miracle of 1623. Diego M., son of Jusepe M.,
helped build the first church in San Juan after the miracle.
I need someone who can help me prove that Jusepe M. is the son of Diego
Marquez de los Olivos who entered San Juan in the 1580's.
Chuck M.

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Here is more information by that person looking for a professional
researcher. His email is below. If you think you can work with him or
know of someone that might be able to help him please contact him
directly. I and Carol Muro in the group both have roots to Sauz de Los
Marquez but not in the time frame he is talking about below. It seems if
the information is correct that Sauz de Los Marquez is a pretty old
community.

It is not mandatory but my curiosity would like to stay in the loop if
anyone finds more information.

thanks,

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

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Subject: Re: Responses to your question
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 08:54:29 -0800
From:
To: Joseph Puentes
References: <49174F31.9090406@nc.rr.com>

Dear Joseph,
I am very glad you responded to my need for a professional researcher.
First, I hired George Ryscamp 20 or so years ago. He connected me to Ophelia
Marquez, a distant cousin, who has worked closely with "Somos Primos".
Ophelia and I have been researching our tree for 20 years and have gone back
to Diego Marquez who was identified as entering the town of San Juan de los
Lagos between 1584 and 1599 by Jose Antonio Gutierrez Guteierrez in his book
"Los Gutierrez de la Media Hanega de Xalostotitlan. Los Origines" published
in 1997 in Gudalajara. He lists "Amigos de la Historia de Altos de Jalisco"
as one of the credits for his information. I believe he is on the staff at
the University of Aguascalientes. I also gave my tree to Mariano Gonzalez
Leal for his book "Retornos de Espana en la Nueva Galicia. Here is what I
know:
Diego Marquez de los Olivos entered San Juan de los Lagos in the late
1500's. According to Pedro Marquez, who wrote "La Historia de San Juan de
los Lagos", Diego Marquez de los Olivos came from Sauz de los Marquez.
Jusepe Marquez was married on the 28 of April 1614 in Santa Maria de los
Lagos, now Lagos de Moreno, to Maria Martin del Campo y Lopez de la Cruz,
according to Gonzalo Torres Martinez in his book "Los Torres de Jaen en
Mexico". I believe Jusepe is the son of Diego Marquez de los Olivos even
though the marriage certificate says that his parents were "difuntos". In a
dispensa in the 1700's the family is identified as Marquez de los Olivos.
And Mariano Gonzalez Leal says that the original inhabitants of Altos de
Jalisco were Marquez de los Olivos.
Getting back to Diego Marquez de los Olivos of the 1500's, Phillip Wayne
Powell who wrote "Soldiers, Indians, and Silver" wrote that between 1560 and
1570, "Alli murieron algunos espanoles (uno llamado don Torquemada y cierto
Marquez y su hermano Cristobal)." Note # 8, page 256. This happened in San
Martin, a silver mining area north of Zacatecas.
The Archives of Seville wrote me that 3 Marquez brothers imigrated to New
Spain in 1537, 1554, and 1555. They were Jeronimo, Cristobal de Solis, and
Diego Marquez respectively. Mr. Powell left alll his notes from the book in
the Archives in San Luis Potosi.
This is all I have, all the data is sequential and all makes sense
chronogically and geographically. I need someone who can help me "prove" my
line. I would also like to know more about Sauz de los Marquez.
Sincerely,
Chuck Marquez de los Olivos

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Puentes
To: jmar06@peoplepc.com
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: Responses to your question

I'll forward your info to the group to see if anyone has further
ideas. My Marquez and other relatives lived and possibly still live in
Sauz de Los Marquez. I'd be interested to know how Mr. Pedro Marquez
knows that Diego Marquez comes from Sauz de Los Marquez.

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

jmar06@peoplepc.com wrote:
> Dear Joseph,
> I am very glad you responded to my need for a professional
researcher.
> First, I hired George Ryscamp 20 or so years ago. He connected me
to Ophelia
> Marquez, a distant cousin, who has worked closely with "Somos
Primos".
> Ophelia and I have been researching our tree for 20 years and
have gone back
> to Diego Marquez who was identified as entering the town of San
Juan de los
> Lagos between 1584 and 1599 by Jose Antonio Gutierrez Guteierrez
in his book
> "Los Gutierrez de la Media Hanega de Xalostotitlan. Los Origines"
published
> in 1997 in Gudalajara. He lists "Amigos de la Historia de Altos
de Jalisco"
> as one of the credits for his information. I believe he is on the
staff at
> the University of Aguascalientes. I also gave my tree to Mariano
Gonzalez
> Leal for his book "Retornos de Espana en la Nueva Galicia. Here
is what I
> know:
> Diego Marquez de los Olivos entered San Juan de los Lagos in the late
> 1500's. According to Pedro Marquez, who wrote "La Historia de San
Juan de
> los Lagos", Diego Marquez de los Olivos came from Sauz de los
Marquez.
> Jusepe Marquez was married on the 28 of April 1614 in Santa Maria
de los
> Lagos, now Lagos de Moreno, to Maria Martin del Campo y Lopez de
la Cruz,
> according to Gonzalo Torres Martinez in his book "Los Torres de
Jaen en
> Mexico". I believe Jusepe is the son of Diego Marquez de los
Olivos even
> though the marriage certificate says that his parents were
"difuntos". In a
> dispensa in the 1700's the family is identified as Marquez de los
Olivos.
> And Mariano Gonzalez Leal says that the original inhabitants of
Altos de
> Jalisco were Marquez de los Olivos.
> Getting back to Diego Marquez de los Olivos of the 1500's,
Phillip Wayne
> Powell who wrote "Soldiers, Indians, and Silver" wrote that
between 1560 and
> 1570, "Alli murieron algunos espanoles (uno llamado don
Torquemada y cierto
> Marquez y su hermano Cristobal)." Note # 8, page 256. This
happened in San
> Martin, a silver mining area north of Zacatecas.
> The Archives of Seville wrote me that 3 Marquez brothers
imigrated to New
> Spain in 1537, 1554, and 1555. They were Jeronimo, Cristobal de
Solis, and
> Diego Marquez respectively. Mr. Powell left alll his notes from
the book in
> the Archives in San Luis Potosi.
> This is all I have, all the data is sequential and all makes sense
> chronogically and geographically. I need someone who can help me
"prove" my
> line. I would also like to know more about Sauz de los Marquez.
> Sincerely,
> Chuck Marquez de los Olivos

Es muy probable que a la mayoría de los miembros de Nuestros Ranchos les resulte de interés el artículo que encontrarán en la siguiente dirección: http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/2008/1113/4?etoc

Un saludo afectuoso para todos.

Víctor Manuel Ortiz Martínez.

Dear Danny,

My parents are both from Jalostotitlan too. You and I both
descend from the couple, Ponciano Gutierrez & Ma. Nicolasa Gutierrez.
Their son, Yreneo Gtz (married to Paulina Gonzales) was my Great
Grandfather. I also have Reynoso, Gonzales, Lozano, Perez, etc., among
other surnames. I would be interested in sharing our research.

Your ? Cousin,

Irma Gomez Gtz de Lucero

Northern California

igomezlucero@csus.edu

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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 12:35:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Danny Cuellar
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Message-ID: <909227.77299.qm@web82401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/17260

I have been doing Genealogy for 5 years and found my roots from my
mother and father side are from Jalostotitlan, Jalisco area. I have my
genealogy file in the files area of the group under, "Cuellar, Danny"
but you can find it directly at
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/17260
So far I gone up to the 1700's and hopefully would like to go back even
further to find my ancestors that came from Spain.

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HOLA A TODOS LOS MIEMBROS
ESTOY BUSCANDO INFORMACION DE TOMAS GONZALEZ VALLEJO HIJO DE IGNACIO GONZALEZ Y FAUSTINA VALLEJO EL NACIO EN COCA SEGOVIA ESPANA EN EL ANO 1817 SI ALGIEN TIENE ALGUNA INFORMACION DE SUS DESENDIENTES SE LOS AGRADECDERE INFINITAMENTE.
UN CALUROSO SALUDO.

LUIS MIGUEL GONZALEZ JIMENEZ.

Tuesday, 11 Nov 2008

Dear Daniel--

My husband is related to Juan GODINEZ born about 1660 and married about 1684 to Micaela de Estrada. Their son Antonio GODINES was baptized 25 Mar 1685 in Ocotlan, Jalisco and married 6 Mar 1707, in La Barca to Manuela de LOMELIN, who was the daughter of Juan Baptista de OROSCO and Beatris VASQUES.

I have done extensive research in the past 30 plus years. I would be interested in hearing about your lines of GODINEZ. There is also another family of Godinez that was living in the Ranchoviejo area of Atotonilco el Alto. That is now the village of Santa Elena, I believe.

I have a number of BRIONES names. They are not on my husband's direct line but apparently married into other families. I have tracked them because of their LOMELIN connection. Some of these names are to be found in the Ranchovijo area, as mentioned above.

Thanks for your email and I will be looking forward to your next one.

Sincerely,
Patricia Burton
San Diego, Ca.

--- On Tue, 11/11/08, Daniel Briones wrote:

> From: Daniel Briones
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] RE: La Barca Jalisco Briseño, GODINEZ, BARRAGAN
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 3:19 PM
> I am related to the Godinez family coming out of La Barca.
>
> Daniel Briones> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 12:16:25
> -0800> From: canprin@yahoo.com> To:
> research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros
> Ranchos] La Barca Jalisco Briseño, GODINEZ, BARRAGAN>
> > Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008> > Dear Canito--> > I
> am going to Santa Rita, Ayotlan, Jalisco, for one week at
> the end of November. One of the names you are apparently
> interested in is Briseno and so am I. Here is what I
> have:> > Atilano GODINEZ son of> Claudio GODINEZ
> and Casimira MACIEL> > Married 11 Nov 1858 in La
> Barca, Jalisco, to> > Paula BRISENO daughter of>
> > Antonio BRISENO and Andrea JIMENEZ> > Children of
> Atilano and Paula:> > 1. Maria Florencia GODINEZ
> baptized 28 Oct 1861 in Ayo el Chico> > 2. Maria
> Placida GODINEZ baptized 13 Oct 1867 in Ayo el Chico >
> > 3. Maria Delfina GODINEZ baptized 30 Dec 1869 in Ayo el
> Chico> mar. to Ysabel BRISENO son of Tomas BRICENO and
> Ysabel NAVARRO> child of Ysabel and Delfina was:> Jose
> Margarito BRISENO born 4 Dec 1885 in Santa Rita, Ayo el
> Chico> who married Leodegracia BERNA on > 10 May 1909
> in Ayo el Chico, Jalisco> > 4. Serapio GODINEZ born
> 1872? > mar. Maria Juana NUNEZ daug. of Victor NUNEZ and
> Luis GODINEZ> child of Serapio and Maria Juana was:>
> Maria Guadalupe GODINEZ 22 Dec 1915 in Santa Rita, Ayo el
> Chico> > 5. Pragedis GODINEZ born 1875?> mar.
> Dolores GONZALEZ daug. of Gumesindo GONZALEZ and Refugio
> PEREZ> their child Leonor GODINEZ born 23 Jan 1920 in
> Santa Rita, > Ayo el Chico, Jalisco> > These are
> not my GODINEZ lines but with the families coming from La
> Barca into Santa Rita, it is all rather interesting to me.
> Besides, I am researching these lines for a fellow who is
> GODINEZ.> > Another family name I am interested in is
> BARRAGAN and they seem to have been in El Carmen, La Barca,
> Jalisco.> > One of my friends, named Esther has
> ancestors in Govenador and Portezuelo, which are also in the
> municipio of La Barca.> > Does any of this ring a bell
> with you?> > Sincerely,> Patricia Burton> San
> Diego, Ca.> > > > > > > > > >
> > --- On Wed, 10/1/08, Canito
> wrote:> > > From:
> Canito > > Subject:
> [Nuestros Ranchos] La Barca Jalisco - Castañeda, Cerda,
> Briseño, Pantoja> > To:
> research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> > Date: Wednesday,
> October 1, 2008, 12:36 PM> > Hola a todos, soy nuevo
> en el grupo y estoy investigando a> > mis ancestros
> que vivieron en La Barca, Jalisco > > > > La
> información que he logrado recopilar se encuentra> >
> publicada en http:/castanedadelreal.myheritage.com; de>
> > momento la información con la que cuento esta
> basada> > solamente en información verbal y en
> consultas en la base> > de datos de FamilySearch.>
> > > > A continuación muestro un extracto de mi
> investigación:> > > > 4. Moisés Castañeda
> Briseño nació el 4 Sep. 1915 en> > La Barca,
> Jalisco5 y murió el 22 Dic. 1998 en Guadalajara,> >
> Jalisco6. El se casó con María De La Luz Cerda Pantoja
> el> > 11 May. 1940 en La Barca, Jalisco. > >
> Padre: 8. Francisco Castañeda Rodríguez nació> > en
> 1892 en La Barca, Jalisco y murió en una fecha> >
> desconocida.> > Madre: 9. María De La Luz Briseño
> Briseño> > nació en 1895 en La Barca, Jalisco y
> murió el 25 Oct. 1966> > en México, DF7.> >
> > > 5. María De La Luz Cerda Pantoja nació el 15
> Ene. 1923> > en La Barca, Jalisco8 y murió el 6 Oct.
> 1988 en> > Guadalajara, Jalisco9. > > Padre: 10.
> Placido Cerda Hernández nació en> > 1891 en La
> Barca, Jalisco y murió el 26 Ene. 1963 en La> >
> Barca, Jalisco.> > Madre: 11. Ramona Pantoja
> Rodríguez nació en La> > Barca, Jalisco y murió el
> 5 Oct. 1965 en Guadalajara,> > Jalisco10.> >
> > > 6. Rogelio Beltrán López nació el 16 Sep. 1916
> en Cd.> > Obregón, Sonora y murió el 13 Feb. 1999 en
> Cd. Obregón,> > Sonora. El se casó con Francisca
> Soto Sepúlveda. > > Padre: 12. Antonio Beltrán
> Beltrán murió en> > una fecha desconocida.> >
> Madre: 13. López murió en una fecha> >
> desconocida.> > > > 7. Francisca Soto Sepúlveda
> nació el 3 Dic. 1921. > > Padre: 14. Santiago Soto
> murió en una fecha> > desconocida.> > Madre:
> 15. Delfina Sepúlveda murió en una fecha> >
> desconocida.> > > > 8. Francisco Castañeda
> Rodríguez nació en 1892 en La> > Barca, Jalisco y
> murió en una fecha desconocida. El se> > casó con
> María De La Luz Briseño Briseño.> > Otros eventos
> en la vida de Francisco Castañeda> > Rodríguez>
> > Bautizo11 5 Abr 1892 La Barca, Jalisco> > Padre:
> 16. Alberto Castañeda nació en 1856 en> > La Barca,
> Jalisco y murió en una fecha desconocida.> > Madre:
> 17. María Rodríguez nació en La Barca,> > Jalisco y
> murió en una fecha desconocida.> > > > 9.
> María De La Luz Briseño Briseño nació en 1895 en>
> > La Barca, Jalisco y murió el 25 Oct. 1966 en México,
> DF12.> > > > Otros eventos en la vida de María
> De La Luz Briseño> > Briseño> > Bautizo13 29
> Nov 1895 La Barca, Jalisco> > Padre: 18. Trinidad
> Briceno Cortéz nació en> > 1870 en La Barca, Jalisco
> y murió en una fecha desconocida.> > Madre: 19.
> Petronila Briceno González nació en> > 1869 en La
> Barca, Jalisco y murió en una fecha desconocida.> >
> > > 10. Placido Cerda Hernández nació en 1891 en La
> Barca,> > Jalisco y murió el 26 Ene. 1963 en La
> Barca, Jalisco. El se> > casó con Ramona Pantoja
> Rodríguez. Otros eventos> > en la vida de Placido
> Cerda Hernández> > Bautizo14 7 Oct 1891 La Barca,
> Jalisco> > Padre: 20. Felipe Cerda murió en una
> fecha> > desconocida.> > Madre: 21. Virginia
> Hernández murió en una> > fecha desconocida.>
> > > > 11. Ramona Pantoja Rodríguez nació en La
> Barca,> > Jalisco y murió el 5 Oct. 1965 en
> Guadalajara, Jalisco15. > > > > Padre: 22.
> Pantoja murió en una fecha> > desconocida.> >
> Madre: 23. Rodríguez murió en una fecha> >
> desconocida.> > > > 12. Antonio Beltrán
> Beltrán murió en una fecha> > desconocida. El se
> casó con 2da López. > > > > 13. López murió
> en una fecha desconocida. > > > > 14. Santiago
> Soto murió en una fecha desconocida. El se> > casó
> con Delfina Sepúlveda. > > > > 15. Delfina
> Sepúlveda murió en una fecha desconocida. > > >
> > > > 16. Alberto Castañeda nació en 1856 en La
> Barca,> > Jalisco y murió en una fecha desconocida.
> El se casó con> > María Rodríguez el 16 Ago. 1881
> en La Barca, Jalisco16. > > > > Otros eventos en
> la vida de Alberto Castañeda> > Bautizo17 7 Abr 1856
> La Barca, Jalisco> > Padre: 24. Francisco Castañeda
> murió en una> > fecha desconocida.> > Madre:
> 25. Lucia Davalos murió en una fecha> >
> desconocida.> > > > 17. María Rodríguez nació
> en La Barca, Jalisco y> > murió en una fecha
> desconocida. > > > > 18. Trinidad Briceno
> Cortéz nació en 1870 en La Barca,> > Jalisco y
> murió en una fecha desconocida. El se casó con> >
> Petronila Briceno González. > > Otros eventos en la
> vida de Trinidad Briceno Cortéz> > Bautizo18 12 Jun
> 1870 La Barca, Jalisco> > Padre: 26. Ygnacio Briceno
> Luna nació en La> > Barca, Jalisco y murió en una
> fecha desconocida.> > Madre: 27. Trinidad Cortéz
> Padilla murió en una> > fecha desconocida.> >
> > > 19. Petronila Briceno González nació en 1869 en
> La> > Barca, Jalisco y murió en una fecha
> desconocida. > > Otros eventos en la vida de Petronila
> Briceno González> > Bautizo19 2 Jun 1869 La Barca,
> Jalisco> > Padre: 28. Juan Briceno murió en una
> fecha> > desconocida.> > Madre: 29. Pascuala
> Gonzales López nació en> > 1843 en La Barca, Jalisco
> y murió en una fecha desconocida.> > > > 20.
> Felipe Cerda murió en una fecha desconocida. El se> >
> casó con Virginia Hernández. > > > > 21.
> Virginia Hernández murió en una fecha desconocida.>
> > > > > > 22. Pantoja murió en una fecha
> desconocida. El se casó> > con Rodríguez. > >
> > > 23. Rodríguez murió en una fecha desconocida.
> > > > > 24. Francisco Castañeda murió en una
> fecha> > desconocida. El se casó con Lucia Davalos.
> > > > > 25. Lucia Davalos murió en una fecha
> desconocida. > > > > 26. Ygnacio Briceno Luna
> nació en La Barca, Jalisco y> > murió en una fecha
> desconocida. El se casó con Trinidad> > Cortéz
> Padilla, hija de Matias Cortéz y Andrea Padilla, el>
> > 12 Feb. 1866 en La Barca, Jalisco20. > > Padre:
> 30. Antonio Briceno murió en una fecha> >
> desconocida.> > Madre: 31. Pantaleona Luna murió en
> una fecha> > desconocida.> > > > 27.
> Trinidad Cortéz Padilla murió en una fecha> >
> desconocida. > > Padre: 32. Matias Cortéz murió en
> una fecha> > desconocida.> > Madre: 33. Andrea
> Padilla murió en una fecha> > desconocida.> >
> > > 28. Juan Briceno murió en una fecha desconocida.
> El se> > casó con Pascuala Gonzales López el 6 Jun.
> 1866 en La> > Barca, Jalisco. > > Padre: 34.
> Patricio Briceno murió en una fecha> >
> desconocida.> > Madre: 35. María Guadalupe Corona
> murió en una> > fecha desconocida.> > > >
> 29. Pascuala Gonzales López21 nació en 1843 en La> >
> Barca, Jalisco y murió en una fecha desconocida. > >
> Otros eventos en la vida de Pascuala Gonzales López>
> > Bautizo22 28 May 1843 La Barca, Jalisco> > Padre:
> 36. Antonio Gonzáles murió en una fecha> >
> desconocida.> > Madre: 37. Lus López murió en una
> fecha> > desconocida.> > > > 30. Antonio
> Briceno murió en una fecha desconocida. El> > se
> casó con Pantaleona Luna. > > > > 31.
> Pantaleona Luna murió en una fecha desconocida. > >
> > > 32. Matias Cortéz murió en una fecha
> desconocida. El> > se casó con Andrea Padilla. >
> > > > 33. Andrea Padilla murió en una fecha
> desconocida. > > > > 34. Patricio Briceno murió
> en una fecha desconocida. El> > se casó con María
> Guadalupe Corona. > > > > 35. María Guadalupe
> Corona murió en una fecha> > desconocida. > >
> > > 36. Antonio Gonzáles murió en una fecha
> desconocida.> > El se casó con Lus López. > >
> > > 37. Lus López murió en una fecha desconocida.
> > > > > Saludos !!!!> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > -- -- -- -- --

Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008

Dear Canito--

I am going to Santa Rita, Ayotlan, Jalisco, for one week at the end of November. One of the names you are apparently interested in is Briseno and so am I. Here is what I have:

Atilano GODINEZ son of
Claudio GODINEZ and Casimira MACIEL

Married 11 Nov 1858 in La Barca, Jalisco, to

Paula BRISENO daughter of

Antonio BRISENO and Andrea JIMENEZ

Children of Atilano and Paula:

1. Maria Florencia GODINEZ baptized 28 Oct 1861 in Ayo el Chico

2. Maria Placida GODINEZ baptized 13 Oct 1867 in Ayo el Chico

3. Maria Delfina GODINEZ baptized 30 Dec 1869 in Ayo el Chico
mar. to Ysabel BRISENO son of Tomas BRICENO and Ysabel NAVARRO
child of Ysabel and Delfina was:
Jose Margarito BRISENO born 4 Dec 1885 in Santa Rita, Ayo el Chico
who married Leodegracia BERNA on
10 May 1909 in Ayo el Chico, Jalisco

4. Serapio GODINEZ born 1872?
mar. Maria Juana NUNEZ daug. of Victor NUNEZ and Luis GODINEZ
child of Serapio and Maria Juana was:
Maria Guadalupe GODINEZ 22 Dec 1915 in Santa Rita, Ayo el Chico

5. Pragedis GODINEZ born 1875?
mar. Dolores GONZALEZ daug. of Gumesindo GONZALEZ and Refugio PEREZ
their child Leonor GODINEZ born 23 Jan 1920 in Santa Rita,
Ayo el Chico, Jalisco

These are not my GODINEZ lines but with the families coming from La Barca into Santa Rita, it is all rather interesting to me. Besides, I am researching these lines for a fellow who is GODINEZ.

Another family name I am interested in is BARRAGAN and they seem to have been in El Carmen, La Barca, Jalisco.

One of my friends, named Esther has ancestors in Govenador and Portezuelo, which are also in the municipio of La Barca.

Does any of this ring a bell with you?

Sincerely,
Patricia Burton
San Diego, Ca.

--- On Wed, 10/1/08, Canito wrote:

> From: Canito
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] La Barca Jalisco - Castañeda, Cerda, Briseño, Pantoja
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Wednesday, October 1, 2008, 12:36 PM
> Hola a todos, soy nuevo en el grupo y estoy investigando a
> mis ancestros que vivieron en La Barca, Jalisco
>
> La información que he logrado recopilar se encuentra
> publicada en http:/castanedadelreal.myheritage.com; de
> momento la información con la que cuento esta basada
> solamente en información verbal y en consultas en la base
> de datos de FamilySearch.
>
> A continuación muestro un extracto de mi investigación:
>
> 4. Moisés Castañeda Briseño nació el 4 Sep. 1915 en
> La Barca, Jalisco5 y murió el 22 Dic. 1998 en Guadalajara,
> Jalisco6. El se casó con María De La Luz Cerda Pantoja el
> 11 May. 1940 en La Barca, Jalisco.
> Padre: 8. Francisco Castañeda Rodríguez nació
> en 1892 en La Barca, Jalisco y murió en una fecha
> desconocida.
> Madre: 9. María De La Luz Briseño Briseño
> nació en 1895 en La Barca, Jalisco y murió el 25 Oct. 1966
> en México, DF7.
>
> 5. María De La Luz Cerda Pantoja nació el 15 Ene. 1923
> en La Barca, Jalisco8 y murió el 6 Oct. 1988 en
> Guadalajara, Jalisco9.
> Padre: 10. Placido Cerda Hernández nació en
> 1891 en La Barca, Jalisco y murió el 26 Ene. 1963 en La
> Barca, Jalisco.
> Madre: 11. Ramona Pantoja Rodríguez nació en La
> Barca, Jalisco y murió el 5 Oct. 1965 en Guadalajara,
> Jalisco10.
>
> 6. Rogelio Beltrán López nació el 16 Sep. 1916 en Cd.
> Obregón, Sonora y murió el 13 Feb. 1999 en Cd. Obregón,
> Sonora. El se casó con Francisca Soto Sepúlveda.
> Padre: 12. Antonio Beltrán Beltrán murió en
> una fecha desconocida.
> Madre: 13. López murió en una fecha
> desconocida.
>
> 7. Francisca Soto Sepúlveda nació el 3 Dic. 1921.
> Padre: 14. Santiago Soto murió en una fecha
> desconocida.
> Madre: 15. Delfina Sepúlveda murió en una fecha
> desconocida.
>
> 8. Francisco Castañeda Rodríguez nació en 1892 en La
> Barca, Jalisco y murió en una fecha desconocida. El se
> casó con María De La Luz Briseño Briseño.
> Otros eventos en la vida de Francisco Castañeda
> Rodríguez
> Bautizo11 5 Abr 1892 La Barca, Jalisco
> Padre: 16. Alberto Castañeda nació en 1856 en
> La Barca, Jalisco y murió en una fecha desconocida.
> Madre: 17. María Rodríguez nació en La Barca,
> Jalisco y murió en una fecha desconocida.
>
> 9. María De La Luz Briseño Briseño nació en 1895 en
> La Barca, Jalisco y murió el 25 Oct. 1966 en México, DF12.
>
> Otros eventos en la vida de María De La Luz Briseño
> Briseño
> Bautizo13 29 Nov 1895 La Barca, Jalisco
> Padre: 18. Trinidad Briceno Cortéz nació en
> 1870 en La Barca, Jalisco y murió en una fecha desconocida.
> Madre: 19. Petronila Briceno González nació en
> 1869 en La Barca, Jalisco y murió en una fecha desconocida.
>
> 10. Placido Cerda Hernández nació en 1891 en La Barca,
> Jalisco y murió el 26 Ene. 1963 en La Barca, Jalisco. El se
> casó con Ramona Pantoja Rodríguez. Otros eventos
> en la vida de Placido Cerda Hernández
> Bautizo14 7 Oct 1891 La Barca, Jalisco
> Padre: 20. Felipe Cerda murió en una fecha
> desconocida.
> Madre: 21. Virginia Hernández murió en una
> fecha desconocida.
>
> 11. Ramona Pantoja Rodríguez nació en La Barca,
> Jalisco y murió el 5 Oct. 1965 en Guadalajara, Jalisco15.
>
> Padre: 22. Pantoja murió en una fecha
> desconocida.
> Madre: 23. Rodríguez murió en una fecha
> desconocida.
>
> 12. Antonio Beltrán Beltrán murió en una fecha
> desconocida. El se casó con 2da López.
>
> 13. López murió en una fecha desconocida.
>
> 14. Santiago Soto murió en una fecha desconocida. El se
> casó con Delfina Sepúlveda.
>
> 15. Delfina Sepúlveda murió en una fecha desconocida.
>
>
> 16. Alberto Castañeda nació en 1856 en La Barca,
> Jalisco y murió en una fecha desconocida. El se casó con
> María Rodríguez el 16 Ago. 1881 en La Barca, Jalisco16.
>
> Otros eventos en la vida de Alberto Castañeda
> Bautizo17 7 Abr 1856 La Barca, Jalisco
> Padre: 24. Francisco Castañeda murió en una
> fecha desconocida.
> Madre: 25. Lucia Davalos murió en una fecha
> desconocida.
>
> 17. María Rodríguez nació en La Barca, Jalisco y
> murió en una fecha desconocida.
>
> 18. Trinidad Briceno Cortéz nació en 1870 en La Barca,
> Jalisco y murió en una fecha desconocida. El se casó con
> Petronila Briceno González.
> Otros eventos en la vida de Trinidad Briceno Cortéz
> Bautizo18 12 Jun 1870 La Barca, Jalisco
> Padre: 26. Ygnacio Briceno Luna nació en La
> Barca, Jalisco y murió en una fecha desconocida.
> Madre: 27. Trinidad Cortéz Padilla murió en una
> fecha desconocida.
>
> 19. Petronila Briceno González nació en 1869 en La
> Barca, Jalisco y murió en una fecha desconocida.
> Otros eventos en la vida de Petronila Briceno González
> Bautizo19 2 Jun 1869 La Barca, Jalisco
> Padre: 28. Juan Briceno murió en una fecha
> desconocida.
> Madre: 29. Pascuala Gonzales López nació en
> 1843 en La Barca, Jalisco y murió en una fecha desconocida.
>
> 20. Felipe Cerda murió en una fecha desconocida. El se
> casó con Virginia Hernández.
>
> 21. Virginia Hernández murió en una fecha desconocida.
>
>
> 22. Pantoja murió en una fecha desconocida. El se casó
> con Rodríguez.
>
> 23. Rodríguez murió en una fecha desconocida.
>
> 24. Francisco Castañeda murió en una fecha
> desconocida. El se casó con Lucia Davalos.
>
> 25. Lucia Davalos murió en una fecha desconocida.
>
> 26. Ygnacio Briceno Luna nació en La Barca, Jalisco y
> murió en una fecha desconocida. El se casó con Trinidad
> Cortéz Padilla, hija de Matias Cortéz y Andrea Padilla, el
> 12 Feb. 1866 en La Barca, Jalisco20.
> Padre: 30. Antonio Briceno murió en una fecha
> desconocida.
> Madre: 31. Pantaleona Luna murió en una fecha
> desconocida.
>
> 27. Trinidad Cortéz Padilla murió en una fecha
> desconocida.
> Padre: 32. Matias Cortéz murió en una fecha
> desconocida.
> Madre: 33. Andrea Padilla murió en una fecha
> desconocida.
>
> 28. Juan Briceno murió en una fecha desconocida. El se
> casó con Pascuala Gonzales López el 6 Jun. 1866 en La
> Barca, Jalisco.
> Padre: 34. Patricio Briceno murió en una fecha
> desconocida.
> Madre: 35. María Guadalupe Corona murió en una
> fecha desconocida.
>
> 29. Pascuala Gonzales López21 nació en 1843 en La
> Barca, Jalisco y murió en una fecha desconocida.
> Otros eventos en la vida de Pascuala Gonzales López
> Bautizo22 28 May 1843 La Barca, Jalisco
> Padre: 36. Antonio Gonzáles murió en una fecha
> desconocida.
> Madre: 37. Lus López murió en una fecha
> desconocida.
>
> 30. Antonio Briceno murió en una fecha desconocida. El
> se casó con Pantaleona Luna.
>
> 31. Pantaleona Luna murió en una fecha desconocida.
>
> 32. Matias Cortéz murió en una fecha desconocida. El
> se casó con Andrea Padilla.
>
> 33. Andrea Padilla murió en una fecha desconocida.
>
> 34. Patricio Briceno murió en una fecha desconocida. El
> se casó con María Guadalupe Corona.
>
> 35. María Guadalupe Corona murió en una fecha
> desconocida.
>
> 36. Antonio Gonzáles murió en una fecha desconocida.
> El se casó con Lus López.
>
> 37. Lus López murió en una fecha desconocida.
>
> Saludos !!!!
>
>
>
>
>
>

Antonio, I don't know if it is fine to write in english to you, I think it's ok. I was checking to information about the members and the lastnames they serach and I found yours (Topete). According what I read, you don't have any information about your family. I'm glad to tell you that I have a book (that you can look for) which talks about your family back to 1700's This is a very interestin book and has a lot of information with many genealogical lines. The book talks about the history of the region you are searching back to 1500's

I highly recomend you to look for the book, if you can find it let me know so we can arrange to send you the informacion (it's a vast book 600 pages). The name is: "Ameca, Protofundacion Mexicana" and was written by Jesus Amaya TOPETE. Segunda Edicion 1983 Gobierno del estado de Jalisco.

Hope you find this message useful and I feel happy to contribute with you.

Best regards.

13. Latin American Network Information Center
http://www1.lanic.utexas.edu/

Started in 1992 and affiliated with the Lozano Long Institute of Latin
American Studies at the University of Texas at Austin, the Latin American
Network Information Center () is designed to "facilitate access to
Internet-based information to, from, or on Latin America." Their site was
redesigned in the spring of 2008, and currently their various directories
contain over 12,000 unique URLs for use by the general public. These links
can be browsed by subject headings or by country, and visitors can look into
more discrete topical headings like "food", "political science", and "social
work". Along with these high-quality links, visitors can then click on over
to their "Digital Initiatives" area. Here they will find digital collections
that cover documents from the New Mexican Revolution and the full-text Fidel
Castro Speech database. Visitors will also appreciate that many of the
site's resources are available in Spanish and Portuguese. [KMG]

11. Tarahumara People: National Geographic Magazine
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2008/11/tarahumara-people/gorney-text

The Tarahumara people of northern Mexico are well known for their long-
distance running ability, and they have survived a variety of challenges
over the past five hundred years, including the influx of Spanish
conquistadors into their region. Recently, National Geographic sent Cynthia
Gorney and photographer Robb Kendrick to take an investigative look into
this unique group of people. Visitors can read their account here on this
interactive feature, which contains both the published text and the
accompanying photographs. The article looks at how the Tarahumara are coping
with the increasing pressures of modernity, along with offering some
commentary on their own cultural and social milieu. Additionally, visitors
should not miss the GeoPedia article on the Tarahumara, as it features other
online resources about them and an extensive bibliography. [KMG]

Joseph

Have you put out George Ryskamp's name? He goes to Spain every summer along
with his wife to do research for clients.

Mickey

In a message dated 11/8/2008 5:44:14 P.M. Central Standard Time,
rickrod.com@gmail.com writes:

Hey there Joseph,

There are several genealogists here in the region that might be able to help
out. What info or what exactly is the applicant looking for?

Rick

-----Mensaje original-----
De: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Joseph
Puentes
Enviado el: Saturday, November 08, 2008 4:54 PM
Para: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Los Altos de Jalisco Professional Genealogist
Being Sought

An applicant to the group wants to find a professional genealogist to do
his research from 1585 in Los Altos and take him back to Spain.

Who all would you recommend?

joseph

=====================

Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

An applicant to the group wants to find a professional genealogist to do
his research from 1585 in Los Altos and take him back to Spain.

Who all would you recommend?

joseph

=====================

Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

I know I am really late asking this - and I am just asking our of curiosity - but did anyone set up an ofrenda for Dia de los Muertos, to honor and remember those family members who had passed on.
I wanted to do so , but the death of my dear daughter last month ... well, I just couldn't quite do it. Perhaps I will get back to setting up an ofrenda next year. My son-in-law (non-hispanic) and two young grand-daughters set up a small ofrenda - the little one, 3 -1/2 yrs, wanted to put "everything" on the ofrenda, because "mommy would love it". (It was his first experience - I appreciate that he made the effort to share his wife's heritage with their children.)
However - if you did set up an ofrenda to remember loved ones and antepasados, could you share what you did - or perhaps share a photo.

And perhaps next year I will be able to get back to research.

-natalie
(who researches primarily Castro, Duenas/Duenes, Garcia, who left Hacienda del Astillero [Valparaiso district] in 1916 to go to the US for the duration of the revolution, but never went back.)

http://www.inside-mexico.com/oscarespa.htm

Natalie,

Here is a nice article in Spanish about the ofrenda.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

Congratulations again Arturo....the piece was fascinating, albeit it took me
awhile to decipher it (I am more versed in English than Spanish)

You were right about the review of Guerrero - I certainly didn't know about
his indigenous/African background.

I will be going to a "Cultural Tour" in Monterrey within one week as a
representative of our school district in Illinois The Chicago Mexican American
Fine Arts Museum will be taking their exhibit to the Museum in Monterrey. They
will be featuring the African presence in Mexico. I am excited about
bringing back lessons and photos that will highlight the African presence in Mexico
- there is very little known about this within our Mexican history -- If I
can, I will share whatever was shared with me with this group.

Esperanza
Chicagoland area

Veronica & Rosalinda:

as I mentioned before, my Ureña beguins with Cornelia Cipriana Ureña b: 16 sept 1803 in Rancho de los Ureña, Zacolaco de Torres, Jalisco. She has siblings and descendants for her brothers to actual dates. But the line goes back to:

Cornelia Cipriana Ureña b:16 sept 1803 Rancho los Urena, Zacolaco de Torres, Jal.
Yrinea Dionicia de Jesus b: 5 apr 1799 Barranca de Enmedio, Zacoalco de Torres, Jal.
Santana Urena b: ?
Mariano Ureña b:?
Prentes: Jose Atanacio Laureano Ureña b:abt 1770 & Maria Narcisa Biscarra
Grandparents: Jose Juan Ureña b:abt 1740 & Maria Luisa Abila

All of them seem to be from the same place, Rancho los Ureña, Zacolaco de Torres.

If anyone has a match just let me know.

Thanks.
LIC. ALESSANDRO VITELA
Ser de Luz!!!> From: general-request@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: General Digest, Vol 33, Issue 15> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 15:04:29 -0700> > Send General mailing list submissions to> general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> http://lists.nuestrosranchos.org/listinfo.cgi/general-nuestrosranchos.o…; > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to> general-request@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> > You can reach the person managing the list at> general-owner@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific> than "Re: Contents of General digest..."> > > Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> DAILY DIGEST> ****************************************> > Today's Topics:> > 1. Re: URE?A FAMILY (Veronica Rahorn)> 2. Re: URE?A FAMILY (Veronica Rahorn)> 3. Re: URE?A FAMILY (lareina2@ix.netcom.com)> 4. Re: URE?A FAMILY (Erlinda Castanon-Long)> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Message: 1> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 18:32:45 -0700> From: "Veronica Rahorn" > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] URE?A FAMILY> To: , > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8";> reply-type=response> > Alessandro,> My paternal grandmother was first married to an Ure?a before she married my > grandfather Vidaure. Her first husband was named Pedro. They were both from > Jerez, Zacatecas. Any possibility that you are related to this branch?> > Is the Rancho you mentioned in Jalisco?> > Veronica Vidaure Rahorn> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "viteliky" > To: > Sent: 22 October, 2008 14:41> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] URE?A FAMILY> > > >> > I?m sorry to stick my nose here, but I noticed one of you (really got > > confused who) has de URE?A family and I have it too, my Ure?a line begins > > with Cornelia Cipriana URE?A b: 16 sept 1803 in Rancho de los Ure?a, > > zacoalco de Torres, Jalisco, Mex. Her parents were: Jose atanacio Laureano > > Ure?a abt 1770 and Ma. Narcisa BIscarra; the grand-parents were: Jose Juna > > URE?A and Maria Luisa ABILA (both abt 1750).> >> > What is interestin is the fact that there is a place called "Rancho de los > > Ure?a" which means it belongs to this family. Hope the person who has this > > family lines get in contact with me and see if we have a posible > > connection.> >> > Best regards to all of you> >> > Alessandro> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> > Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> >> > To post, send email to:> > general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> >> > To change your subscription, log on to:> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org&gt; > > > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 2> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 18:32:45 -0700> From: "Veronica Rahorn" > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] URE?A FAMILY> To: , > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8";> reply-type=response> > Alessandro,> My paternal grandmother was first married to an Ure?a before she married my > grandfather Vidaure. Her first husband was named Pedro. They were both from > Jerez, Zacatecas. Any possibility that you are related to this branch?> > Is the Rancho you mentioned in Jalisco?> > Veronica Vidaure Rahorn> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "viteliky" > To: > Sent: 22 October, 2008 14:41> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] URE?A FAMILY> > > >> > I?m sorry to stick my nose here, but I noticed one of you (really got > > confused who) has de URE?A family and I have it too, my Ure?a line begins > > with Cornelia Cipriana URE?A b: 16 sept 1803 in Rancho de los Ure?a, > > zacoalco de Torres, Jalisco, Mex. Her parents were: Jose atanacio Laureano > > Ure?a abt 1770 and Ma. Narcisa BIscarra; the grand-parents were: Jose Juna > > URE?A and Maria Luisa ABILA (both abt 1750).> >> > What is interestin is the fact that there is a place called "Rancho de los > > Ure?a" which means it belongs to this family. Hope the person who has this > > family lines get in contact with me and see if we have a posible > > connection.> >> > Best regards to all of you> >> > Alessandro> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> > Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> >> > To post, send email to:> > general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> >> > To change your subscription, log on to:> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org&gt; > > > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 3> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:49:57 -0700 (GMT-07:00)> From: lareina2@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] URE?A FAMILY> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Message-ID:> <33189427.1225212598319.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8> > I just wanted to mention that my great-grandmother was an Ure?a. Her family lived in Totatiche, Jalisco, and her branch of the Ure?as started originally in Jerez, so I'm sure there is a connection. I have many Ure?as from that general are in my database. Email me and I'll see if there is a connection. > > Rosalinda> > -----Original Message-----> >From: Veronica Rahorn > >Sent: Oct 27, 2008 6:32 PM> >To: general@nuestrosranchos.org, general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> >Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] URE?A FAMILY> >> >Alessandro,> >My paternal grandmother was first married to an Ure?a before she married my > >grandfather Vidaure. Her first husband was named Pedro. They were both from > >Jerez, Zacatecas. Any possibility that you are related to this branch?> >> >Is the Rancho you mentioned in Jalisco?> >> >Veronica Vidaure Rahorn> >> >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "viteliky" > >To: > >Sent: 22 October, 2008 14:41> >Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] URE?A FAMILY> >> >> >>> >> I?m sorry to stick my nose here, but I noticed one of you (really got > >> confused who) has de URE?A family and I have it too, my Ure?a line begins > >> with Cornelia Cipriana URE?A b: 16 sept 1803 in Rancho de los Ure?a, > >> zacoalco de Torres, Jalisco, Mex. Her parents were: Jose atanacio Laureano > >> Ure?a abt 1770 and Ma. Narcisa BIscarra; the grand-parents were: Jose Juna > >> URE?A and Maria Luisa ABILA (both abt 1750).> >>> >> What is interestin is the fact that there is a place called "Rancho de los > >> Ure?a" which means it belongs to this family. Hope the person who has this > >> family lines get in contact with me and see if we have a posible > >> connection.> >>> >> Best regards to all of you> >>> >> Alessandro> >> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> >> Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> >>> >> To post, send email to:> >> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> >>> >> To change your subscription, log on to:> >> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org&gt; >> > >> >> >-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> >Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> >> >To post, send email to:> >general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> >> >To change your subscription, log on to:> >http://www.nuestrosranchos.org&gt; > > Rosalinda Ruiz> lareina2@ix.netcom.com> > > ------------------------------> > Message: 4> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:43:20 -0700 (PDT)> From: Erlinda Castanon-Long > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] URE?A FAMILY> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Message-ID: <909840.59059.qm@web55204.mail.re4.yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1> > > Veronica I research Jerez Zacatecas.? What is your grandmothers name and approximate dates of birth?> ?> Linda in Everett> ?> > --- On Mon, 10/27/08, Veronica Rahorn wrote:> > From: Veronica Rahorn > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] URE?A FAMILY> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org, general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 6:32 PM> > Alessandro,> My paternal grandmother was first married to an Ure?a before she married my > grandfather Vidaure. Her first husband was named Pedro. They were both from > Jerez, Zacatecas. Any possibility that you are related to this branch?> > Is the Rancho you mentioned in Jalisco?> > Veronica Vidaure Rahorn> > > > > > > ------------------------------> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org&gt; > End of General Digest, Vol 33, Issue 15> ***************************************
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So after a long grace period away from this, I decided to run a search and see what comes up and I found 2 things of promise. Problem is, they are very vague mentions in the posts that came up.

Does anyone know much of the surname Llanos Y Valdez(also spelt Llanos Y Valdes) and its connection to the surname Rivas? If there is information on the family itself in terms of a history, thats what I'd prefer to know. It was mentioned they are "old families", so, I'm guessing there is a lot behind these.

Thanks Primos..

I just wanted to mention that my great-grandmother was an Ureña. Her family lived in Totatiche, Jalisco, and her branch of the Ureñas started originally in Jerez, so I'm sure there is a connection. I have many Ureñas from that general are in my database. Email me and I'll see if there is a connection.

Rosalinda

-----Original Message-----
>From: Veronica Rahorn
>Sent: Oct 27, 2008 6:32 PM
>To: general@nuestrosranchos.org, general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] UREÑA FAMILY
>
>Alessandro,
>My paternal grandmother was first married to an Ureña before she married my
>grandfather Vidaure. Her first husband was named Pedro. They were both from
>Jerez, Zacatecas. Any possibility that you are related to this branch?
>
>Is the Rancho you mentioned in Jalisco?
>
>Veronica Vidaure Rahorn
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "viteliky"
>To:
>Sent: 22 October, 2008 14:41
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] UREÑA FAMILY
>
>
>>
>> I´m sorry to stick my nose here, but I noticed one of you (really got
>> confused who) has de UREÑA family and I have it too, my Ureña line begins
>> with Cornelia Cipriana UREÑA b: 16 sept 1803 in Rancho de los Ureña,
>> zacoalco de Torres, Jalisco, Mex. Her parents were: Jose atanacio Laureano
>> Ureña abt 1770 and Ma. Narcisa BIscarra; the grand-parents were: Jose Juna
>> UREÑA and Maria Luisa ABILA (both abt 1750).
>>
>> What is interestin is the fact that there is a place called "Rancho de los
>> Ureña" which means it belongs to this family. Hope the person who has this
>> family lines get in contact with me and see if we have a posible
>> connection.
>>
>> Best regards to all of you
>>
>> Alessandro

A friend of mine at the local FHC asked for my help in translating a document. It is from a country that uses the cyrillic [sp?] alphabet, but the printed part is also in Latin, as well as what the priest hand-wrote on the form.

Could someone translate the following:

Anno domini millesimo = year of our lord ?

Parenties et conditio = parents and ?

Patrini et conditio = godparents and ?

Ex parte officiii parochialis r. gr. cath = ?

notum testatumque fit, in libris, metricalibus hujus Ecdesiae tomus ____ pag. _____reperiri sequentia = ?

Quas testimoniales manu propia subscrib e et algillo [?] Ecclasiae parochialis corroboro = ?

In the "tomus ____ pag.___" above, it means book and page, but I can't figure out the rest.
In the last phrase above, the priest usually signs off saying that he signs his hand to the testimony, etc., but I don't remember the exact words.

Thanks,

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

what does vindo mean?

When I read the old church records I am curious about for instance marriages. It shows witnesses but usually says something like: testigos de edad or mayores de edad. What does that mean? Also, they seem to show grandparents names, listed as AP or AM and I assume that stands for Abuelos Paternos or maternal? Is that right?

Steve Apodaca: Thanks for wrighting back. Answering your question.... no, I grew up in Guadalajara, but my mom was born and grew in Atotonilco El Bajo as well as my grandmother and all her family and ancestors. I visited 1000s of times the town and have lovely memories about it till now. I know the area very well, all the surroundings as Estipac, Villacorona, Cocula, Zacolaco, Sta Catarina and some others as Sayula, Las Barrancas, Acatlan, Ameca, etc. My mom and grandmother (still alive) told me many stories about these places and the way life was many years ago. I do have some stories written and it´s very interesting. About the Apodaca lines in my page, I don´t understand why they didn´t appear, I´m fixing that now. But anyway I remember y sent you the attachments with all this information and answered a previous mail. No matter what, I´ll send it again, ok? Actually I asked you for the information you have that I don't to complete all the family siblings..... Wait for your news. Wright back soon PS: Attached you´ll find the Apodaca files I have. Best regardsLIC. ALESSANDRO VITELA

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Hello everyone,
Back in Galveston after Ike, attempting to do a little genealogical research. I have been inspecting carefully the marriage record of Juan de Padilla and Petronila de Siordia (Thanks, Connie for the copy). Although as Connie mentioned, the copy is not good, I was able to digitally enhance it, and I am convinced that neither 'Davila' (suggested by Daniel) nor 'Delgadillo' (suggested by Connie) appear in the document after "Juan de Padilla". Instead, in my opinion it reads 'herro' or 'horro' -Note that at the time the letter 'h' was written more like a "S", thus in not uncommon to find transcriptions of surnames as 'Hinojosa' as 'Sinojosa'. I tried several searches for Herro (a Basque surname) in the "Catalogo de Pasajeros de Indias" en PARES, given that Juan is identified as 'Natural de Xerez' (Thus, Jerez de la Frontera, Spain). No matches. I entered 'Horro', and I found numerous records, all of them as far I could tell, linked to the racial descriptions of black (negros, de color loro) followed by the qualification of their status as freedmen (horro=slave that was set free). The complete description generally reads 'horro, libre'.
The question then is: was Juan de Padilla a freedman? What gives some support to this hypothesis is the same document, the next record is the marriage of Juan de Escalante, Espanol, con Maria Magdalena (no surname)". In the case of Juan de Padilla, the word 'horro' or herro? appears just below his name, in the same place where we generally find the racial description. 'horro or herro' is entered again in the text body after his name.
Finally, I was thinking of Xerez as the famous one in Spain. However, 80 miles north of the City of Aguascalientes, there is the mining town of Xerez (Jerez) de la Frontera, Zacatecas (Founded 1569, and since 1952 known as 'Jerez de Garcia Salinas'). We should probably set our efforts to trace Juan de Padilla there.

Jaime

Hi all. I am shopping around to complete the set. I managed to find a copy of Volume One, but want the entire set.

If you have this set and are interested in selling it--just NAME YOUR PRICE.

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Thanks!

-Claudia

Hola Jose , gracias ,lo que me confundio fue de tu primera e-mail hablado de los Peres y sus esposas. Cuendo mencionaste Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo y su esposa me perdi. Ya tenia la informacion de Los hijos de Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo,no mas la falta de comprender el espanol bien. Bueno una pregunta, dices que Ignacio de La Cueva y Rebollar y su esposa Tomasina Franco de Paredes comensaron la Rama de Franco de La Cueva, que son los hijos porque tengo unos ante pasados que se llamaban Juan Franco de La Cueva(nacio 1648 en Tepatitlan) casado con Maria Gutierrez de Hermosillo(nacio 1652) en 1673 en Jalostotitlan. Hay chansa que Juan es hijo de Ignacio de la Cueva ?
Gracias
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I came across a board on genealogy.com and other webpages from google that say these three families are somehow related but never mention exactly how. I do know that Pérez y Franco and Pérez de Paredes are related becuase the couple of Silão, Gto. in the 1600's had three sons two were given Pérez y Franco and the other Pérez de Paredes. Any Help? -Daniel MDC