My Dream/Mi Sueño

Hello,

Back in 2002 my wife, Figen and I were involved in a serious car
accident in which a drunk driver crashed into us. We survived but I was
out of work for about 6 months and during that time I googled "Puentes"
and found a message from someone looking for information about my father
and uncles. It turned out to be a cousin who was doing genealogy and
that started me on this trip of doing my families genealogical research.
I knew that I didn't know anything about genealogy and even less on how
to do Mexican Genealogy so I decided to surround myself with others that
were doing research in my geographical area: Jalisco and Zacatecas. So
in 2002 I started the Yahoo group: Ranchos which was only for Jalisco
and Zacatecas but later Aguascalientes was added. With the help of many
volunteers the group has become what it is today but the groups
existence would probably be in doubt if it hadn't been for the
tremendous amount of work that Arturo Ramos has put in by building and
maintaining our beautiful website. If anyone in the group should be
remembered with an overnight express package of frozen tamales or
something it should be Arturo. Thank you Arturo.

[Detrás en 2002 mi esposa, Figen y yo estuvieron implicados en un
accidente de tráfico serio en el cual un conductor borracho se estrelló
en nosotros. Sobrevivimos pero estaba sin trabajo por cerca de 6 meses y
durante ese tiempo googled el " Puentes" y encontrado un mensaje alguien
que busca la información sobre mi padre y tíos. Resultó ser un primo que
hacía la genealogía y ésa me comenzó en este viaje de hacer mi
investigación genealógica de las familias. Sabía que no sabia cualquier
cosa sobre la genealogía e incluso menos en cómo hacer la genealogía
mexicana así que decidía rodearme con otros que hacían la investigación
en mi área geográfica: Jalisco y Zacatecas. Tan en 2002 comencé el grupo
de Yahoo: Los ranchos que estaba solamente para Jalisco y Zacatecas pero
Aguascalientes posterior fueron agregados. Con la ayuda de muchos
voluntarios el grupo se ha convertido en cuáles es hoy pero la
existencia de los grupos sería probablemente en duda si él estado para
la cantidad enorme de trabajo que Arturo Ramos ha introducido
construyendo y manteniendo nuestro Web site hermoso. Si cualquier
persona en el grupo se recuerda con un paquete expreso de noche de
tamales congelados o algo debe ser Arturo. Gracias Arturo.]

Anyway back to my dream. Yes I started the group as a selfish desire but
knew that it would also be a place where those that knew even less than
I could be helped as well. I'm happy, very happy that over the years
many members have been able to advance their genealogies with help of
the members of the group. Well this is where I want to make my point.
Right now there are well over 300 members of the group but there is only
a core group of 30-50 that are consistently active in the discussion
groups. My communication is mainly directed to the rest of the group
that is not active. I know very well that many of you have gained
benefit from members of this group but have we received anything from
you? You would know the answer to this question. I personally am maxed
out and don't see myself getting more active in the group than trying to
keep things balanced behind the scenes and making sure things stay
within the norms established. But for those that have received much from
the group but given little I'm making a request of you.

[De todas formas de nuevo a mi sueño. Comencé al grupo como deseo
egoísta pero sabía sí que también sería un lugar en donde los que sabían
incluso menos que yo se podrían ayudar también. Estoy feliz, muy feliz
que durante los años muchos miembros han podido avanzar sus genealogías
con la ayuda de los miembros del grupo. Mana esto es donde quiero hacer
mi punto. Ahora hay bien sobre 300 miembros del grupo pero hay solamente
un grupo central de 30-50 que sean constantemente activos en los grupos
de discusión. Mi comunicación se dirige principalmente al resto del
grupo que no es activo. ¿Sé muy bien que muchos de usted han ganado la
ventaja de miembros de este grupo pero nos tengo recibí cualquier cosa
de usted? Usted sabría la respuesta a esta pregunta. Soy así que ocupado
no me veo el conseguir más activo en el grupo con excepción de cuáles
soy ya en el grupo que el intentar mantener cosas balanceadas detrás de
las escenas y cerciorarse de cosas permanecen dentro de las normas
establecidas. Pero para los que han recibido mucho del grupo pero han
dado poco estoy haciendo una petición de usted.]

I would propose that 2009 be the year of instruction. A year where the
many teach the many rather than the what is currently happening and the
few teach the many. There are hundreds of things that can be taught. I
would ask that you "donate" 20 hours in 2009 and come up with a Jalisco,
Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes genealogy/history/cultural lesson to
teach the group. Every one of us is intelligent enough to put your mind
to work and do some research on something related to our area of
research and share it with your fellow group members. It can be a
history lesson. Tell us about the history of the rancho your GGG
grandparents were born in. Tell us the history of a favorite recipe that
comes from Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes. Someone do a Power
Point on how to do a place search, a film search, a batch search, a
request for a photocopy service from Salt Lake, etc., etc., etc. Someone
go to http://www.loc.gov/rr/hispanic/geneal/index_gc.html and pick two
or three of your surnames and contact the libraries that own these
volumes and have the 10-20 pages on your surnames sent to you. Take that
information and have it translated into English and share it with the
group. There are so many things that can be done.

[Propondría que 2009 sean el año de instrucción. Un año donde los muchos
enseñan al muchos algo que el qué está sucediendo actualmente y pocos
enseña al muchos. Hay centenares de cosas que puedan ser enseñadas.
Preguntaría que usted "done" 20 horas en 2009 y subidas con una
genealogía de Jalisco, de Zacatecas, y/o de Aguascalientes historia/la
lección cultural para enseñar al grupo. Todos de nosotros es bastante
inteligente poner su mente para trabajar y para hacer una cierta
investigación sobre algo relacionado con nuestro campo de investigación
y para compartirla con sus miembros compañeros del grupo. Puede ser una
lección histórica. Díganos sobre la historia del rancho que sus abuelos
de GGG nacieron adentro. Díganos la historia de una receta preferida que
venga de Jalisco, de Zacatecas, y/o de Aguascalientes. Alguien hace un
Power Point en cómo hacer una búsqueda del lugar, una búsqueda de la
filme, una búsqueda de la batch, un pedido un servicio de la fotocopia
de Salt Lake, el etc., el etc., el etc. Alguien va a
http://www.loc.gov/rr/hispanic/geneal/index_gc.html y escoge dos o tres
de sus apellidos y entra en contacto con las bibliotecas que poseen
estos volúmenes y tienen las 10-20 páginas en sus apellidos enviados a
usted. Tome esa información y téngala traducida a inglés y compártala
con el grupo. Hay tan muchas cosas que pueden ser hechas.]

If the members of the group that are not active don't invest in the
group I'm concerned that time will find the group dissolving. Let's
start investing and making the group stronger. My wish is that 2012,
when the Maya Calendar ends, will find the nuestrosranchos.org group
still going strong.

[Si los miembros del grupo que no son activos no invierten en el grupo
que me refiero que el tiempo encontrará al grupo el disolver. Comencemos
a invertir y a hacer al grupo más fuerte. Mi deseo es que 2012 en que
los extremos del calendario del Maya encontrarán al grupo de
nuestrosranchos.org todavía muy fuerte.]

My aplogies for the Babel Fish translation: http://babelfish.yahoo.com

[mis apologías por la traducción del Babel Fish: http://babelfish.yahoo.com]

joseph

ps: make sure if the lessons are not directly genealogy related to
Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes that you post them on the
general@nuestrosranchos.org discussion list.

pd: cerciórese de si las lecciones no son directamente genealogía
relacionada con Jalisco, Zacatecas, y/o Aguascalientes que usted las
fija en la lista de discusión de general@nuestrosranchos.org.

=====================

Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

Jose Maria Casillas Hermosillo de Gonzalez

Que tal,
 
I saw your posting on your website.  The Hermosillo family name is truncated from the Casillas family name.  We've been using birth certificates and previous work done by Alberto Casillas in his book titled the "Casillas" to trace back the Casillas family .
 
Including DNA sampling which resulted in R1b1.
 
By adding the Casillas back in the name you can get all the previous ancestors. 
 
These are my fathers:
 
Moises Casillas Diaz
Quintin Casillas Gomez
Panfilo Casillas Ulloa
Nazario Casillas Gutierrez
Francisco de la Trinidad Casillas Villapando
Jose Maria Casillas Gonzalez de Hermosillo
Jose de San Ramon Casillas Casillas
Jacinto Ventura Casillas Lozano
Francisco Casillas y Cabrera III
Francisco Casillas y Cabrera II
Francisco Casillas y Cabrera I
Martin Casillas (Spain, he built the cathedral in Guadalajara)

Gonzalez (de Hermosillo, de Rubalcaba)

Claudia, I'm still unclear as to your question. I have a branch of
Rubalcabas in my ancestry, mostly from Yahualica but I think they originate
in Nochistlan, Zacatecas. I know there is a town of Rubalcaba, south of
Santander, in Spain and I am guessing that I may one day learn that they
originate there. Rubalcaba is a prominant name in Yahualica. But then
again, I have an Avila line that I thought might originate in Avila, Spain,
but dna results indicate that it is an Native American line....

Gonzalez (de Hermosillo, de Rubalcaba, etc.)

Dumb question...

How do we know whether certain Gonzalez families are "Hermosillo or "Rubalcaba, or...?"
Is there a way to figure this out if a record does not specify? Are certain towns/villas presumed to be Gonzalez de xxx???

Please respond if you have researched this. I'm trying to decipher my Gonzalez from Yahualica. Thanks.
thanks.

Gonzalez (de Hermosillo, de Rubalcaba, etc.)

Dumb question...

How do we know whether certain Gonzalez families are "Hermosillo or "Rubalcaba, or...?"
Is there a way to figure this out if a record does not specify? Are certain towns/villas presumed to me Gonzalez de xxx???

Please respond if you have researched this. I'm trying to decipher my Gonzalez from Yahualica. Thanks.
thanks.

Olague Family

Andrea Lopez married Euloqia Olague died abt 1 Jun 1918
  Children:
Filiberto Olague brn abt 22 Aug 1893 died abt 8 Nov 1918 married Mauricia Flores abt
     4 Feb 1918
Francisca Olague married Louis Villegas, Jr abt 30 Jan 1911
Leonare Olague born abt 2 Nov 1900 in Guadalupe de las Corrientes, Zacatecas, Mexico married Pete (Paz) Garcia abt 1915
  Children
Carmen Garcia
Aurora Garcia
Francisco (Frank ) Garcia born 14 April 1920  El Rio, CA  Died 23 July 2006 Oxnard. CA married Melvia Stafford in Tijuana, Mexico, abt 9 Jan 1946
  Child:
Valeria Garcia Perin born 6 Nov 1946

Los caminos de la plata en España y América - loscaminosdelaplata.com

http://www.loscaminosdelaplata.com/v_portal/apartados/pl_basica.asp?te=…

Lester,

I am confused. I found this website about several "Ruta de Plata"s in Europe and the New World. It has a map of the Mexican Ruta de Plata that goes from Mexico City northward to Santa Fe, and branches from Mexico City to the ports at Acapulco and Vera Cruz. It doesn't show the Ruta going to Nuevo Leon, only through the states of Guanajuato, Queretaro, San Luis Potosi, Zacatecas, Durango, Chihuahua, and ending in Santa Fe in New Mexico. The text only mentions mines and cities along the route through those states.

Was this route also known as the Camino Real? I know there are several Camino Reals. There was one in California where I once lived, I recall.

This site also has some photos, and the one that caught my attention was the one labeled "Zacatecas". It was taken in the late 1800s and shows a dead horse and armed soldiers sitting along the wall of a building. It doesn't' have an explanation or description of the photo, such as where and when it was taken. Interesting.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

Ruiz de Velasco y Haro

Can Any HELP! Those who have Ruiz de Velasco lines in Los Altos
the patriarch is Pedro Ruiz de Velasco y Haro married to ANa Núñez
y Bohórrquez. He is supposed to have been a relative of the Viceroy
Luís Ruiz de Velasco y Haro or commonly shortened to Luís de Velasco.
Has anyone made this connection yet or have any info or leads? If
Pedro was a Velasco y Haro he has to descend from Antonio
de Velasco, Sñor de salinas and Juana Ruiz de Alarcón. The Ruiz de Velasco y Haro last name was created when these two married. I have Pedro born ca. 1590
His uknown father ca. 1560 and his grandfather uknown ca. 1518 and his grt grandfather should be Antonio de Velasco and Juana Ruiz de Alarcón. Who
knows maybe the viceroy was his grandfather anything is possible but we need proof. Any leads or info welcomed! -Daniel Méndez del Camino

Principal Miners of Zacatecas and Fresnillo, 1799

Hi all,

Promised to send bits of details I find in important books...

I just posted a Word file titles "Principal Miners of Zacatecas and Fresnillo, 1799"

Contains list of miners and hacendados - with names of haciendas.

SOURCE: AGN, Historia, 49 (exp. 26): el intendente Francisco Rendon al virrey, Zac., 3 de mayo 1803

Moderator Announcement

I am announcing that Marge Vallazza from our group is assisting me in a
small capacity to edit our files. She may need to contact some of you
offline in order to verify locations or surnames. Please give her the
same courtesy and cooperation that you have given our other moderators.

thanks,

joseph

=====================

Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

SALUDO NAVIDEÑO A TODOS LOS COLLAZOS DEL MUNDO

Feliz Navidad a todos Loa Collazo, aunque ya no tengo el apellido,
desciendo de la Familia Collazo Gonzalez (1850 aprox) de Encarnación de Diaz
Jalisco, Mexico.

-----Mensaje original-----
De: Federico Collazo [mailto:fedecoar2003@yahoo.com.ar]
Enviado el: Jueves, 11 de Diciembre de 2008 18:11
Para: humbertocollazosmontero@yahoo.es; ed collazo
CC: djazuquita@hotmail.com; denisse jaume; DANIEL & AMERICA JEPSEN; eliana
madre(evelia lopez) staten; steve haws; eric diaz collazo(CUBANO); esperanza
collazo; roberto & norma jacome; julio & eugenia gonzalez velez; Erick D
Villatoro; FNDO COLLAZO,QUEIROS(ESPANA); maria de fatima martins; Franklin
Collazo; SR.FELIX COLLAZO(PUERTO RICO); TIO JULIO GARCIA NEGRON;
geovan_10@hotmail.com; gim acevedo; Mario GONZALEZ COLLAZO; ron batt; angel
gomez garcia; gilda & gzlo del pino; HERNAN Collazo; hector y mariana proano
carrera; humberto collazo(PERU); HYRUM VILLATORO; jaime DE LATORRE; jorge &
elizabeth bonet; carolina castelblanco; jerry &lisa; joan and warren
widdison
Asunto: Re: SALUDO NAVIDEÑO A TODOS LOS COLLAZOS DEL MUNDO

Hola a todos los Collazos del mundo !!
Les escribo para desearles muy feliz Navidad y que tengan un buen 2009 !!

Saludos para todos desde Argentina !

Federico Collazo

--- El jue, 11/12/08, ed collazo escribió:

> De: ed collazo
> Asunto:
> Para: djazuquita@hotmail.com, "denisse jaume" ,
> "DANIEL & AMERICA JEPSEN" , "eliana madre(evelia
> lopez) staten" , "steve haws" ,

> "eric diaz collazo(CUBANO)" , "esperanza collazo"
> , "roberto & norma jacome"
> , "julio & eugenia gonzalez velez"
> , "Erick D Villatoro" , "FNDO
> COLLAZO,QUEIROS(ESPANA)" , "maria de fatima
> martins" , "Franklin Collazo"
> , "Federico Collazo(ARGENTINA)"
> , "SR.FELIX COLLAZO(PUERTO RICO)"
> , "TIO JULIO GARCIA NEGRON"
> , geovan_10@hotmail.com, "gim acevedo"
> , "Mario GONZALEZ COLLAZO" ,
> "ron batt" , "angel gomez garcia"
, "gilda & gzlo del pino"
, "HERNAN Collazo" ,
"hector y mariana proano carrera" , "humberto
collazo(PERU)" , "HYRUM VILLATORO"
, "jaime DE LATORRE"
, "jorge & elizabeth bonet"
, "carolina castelblanco" ,
"jerry &lisa" , "joan and warren widdison"

> Fecha: jueves, 11 diciembre, 2008 12:59
> ----- Original Message -----
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> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:40:43 -0400
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Nuestros Ranchos] Visiting Salt Lake City

Rick, I'm jealous already, how nice to be able to spend a couple of weeks doing research.

I will have the luxury of a few days only and most likely it will not be at Easter time but maybe the three of us can meet up. I can try to schedule my visit on the days that you and Maureen would be there next year. I hope it works out.

Saludos,
Alicia, San Jose, Calif

________________________________
From: Rick Rodriguez
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, December 8, 2008 10:15:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Visiting Salt Lake City

Dear Alicia and Maureen, I'm also planning to visit SLC next year, maybe
during Easter week. I went last year during Easter and the very friendly
people there told me that they don't get that many visitors during this
week, and it's not that cold either. I'll probably spend a week or two
there.

Saludos,
Rick Rodriguez
Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco

-----Mensaje original-----
De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Alicia
Carrillo
Enviado el: Monday, December 08, 2008 11:08 PM
Para: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Visiting Salt Lake City

Dear Maureen,
I saw that you might visit Salt Lake City in the spring. I too would like to
go in the spring and would like to meet up with some Ranchos familia. Maybe
there might be other individuals who might be interested in a spring meet-up
in SLC?

Saludos,
Alicia in San Jose, Calif

________________________________
From: Maureen Bejar

I am planning a trip to SLC possibly in the spring and it will definitely be
one I will look into.

Thank you again.
Maureen

General Digest, Vol 35, Issue 4 (Quesada, Ortis)

Hello Cristobal,

My ancestors are Emigdio Quesada, Jose Guadalupe Quesada, Pedro Ortis and Maria Ortis from Teocaltiche, Jalisco.? Any relation to you???

Thank you.
Marisela Taylor
Fresno, California

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Dear Joseph, is a pleasure to see the way that the great things happen.

I am very happy to stay in the group, and I like your idea.
I understand the priority of the Zacatecas, Jalisco and Aguascalientes
information, but if you thing could be interesting for you, I offer to share
information from San Luis Potosi, I have found that a lot of families from
"Los Altos de Jalisco" in the ends of XIX and beginnings of the XX century,
move to San Luis Potosi. I Have 6 from my Ggrandparents of 8, that are from
La Chona, San Ju
an de Los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno (Villalobos, Quesada,
Perez, De Alba, Lomel?n, Ortiz).and the other two, have relation with
Zacatecas (Sanchez and Gordoa)

If you need other kind of help please let me know.
Best Regards
Cristobal Villalobos

Rocamonte

Someone inquired about a place known as Rocamonte. I personally have no knowledge of this place, so I went to the LINKS section of NUESTROS RANCHOS (it is part of the title banner). Once on the LINKS page I looked under GEOGRAFIC AND LOCALITY INFORMATION, and then to ZACATECAS MUNICIPALITIES. On this page there is a BUSCAR button (Find), and I was able to enter "Rocamonte". The only thing that came up was information related to Rocamonte was the following (and this appears to NOT be a settlement) in the municipality of Concepcion de Oro:
Hidrografia: "Sobre los aprovechamientos de agua subterránea cabe resaltar: Guadalupe Garzarón, Ciénega de Rocamontes, Anáhuac, San José del Mezquital, de estos dos últimos dos se extrae el agua que alimenta la red de distribución general en la cabecera municipal. Cuenta con pozos de uso doméstico y otros dedicados al riego para beneficiar una superficie de un poco mas de 500 hectáreas." Note - it says Cienega de Rocamontes. Note also its' location in the NE corner of Zacatecas, bordering ...?? an unknown state (the map of Zacatecas on this page does not show the neighboring states).
While many municipalities have webpages, Concepcion de Oro does not appear to have one.
This is the only search I made regarding Rocamonte - but there may other searches you can make.

natalie coleman

Copia de rollos

Hola a todos los miembros de "nuestros ranchos" por medio de familisearch.org he obtenido informacion de mis antepasados hasta
el año de 1800, quiesiera obtener una copia de los films, que debo hacer ? agradesco la ayuda que me puedan brindar.
Saludos cordiales,
Atte
Mario Gonzalez

Treminos from Saltillo and Viesca, Coahuila

Hello, All!

I am looking for further information on these Treminos. Does anyone recognize them?

I am not finding much information on them. Although I have found information saying that they were from Saltillo, Coahuila they seem to have many connections to Zacatecas. Can anyone help? The family says they were from Saltillo.

Can anyone give any information on Rocamonte, Zacatecas? I have several members of my family born there but know nothing about the place.

Elvira
----------------------------

Descendants of Jose-Antonio Tremiño

Generation No. 1

1. JOSE-ANTONIO1 TREMIÑO was born Abt. 1740 in de Viesca, Coahuila, Mexico. He married MARIA-NICOLASA(2) VILLAREAL. She was born Abt. 1741 in de Viesca, Coahuila, Mexico.

Children of JOSE-ANTONIO TREMIÑO and MARIA-NICOLASA(2) VILLAREAL are:
2. i. JOSE CLAUDIO2 TREMIÑO-VILLAREAL, b. Abt. 1762, Saltillo?, Coahuila, México; d. , Coahuila, México.
ii. MARIA-SILVESTRA TREMIÑO-VILLAREAL, b. 1786, Rocamonte, Zacatecas, Mexico; m. JUAN-JOSE CAVELLO, 14 Jan 1809, Ig de Santiago Apostol, Viesca, Coahuila, Mexico1; b. 1785, San Juan de Ahorcados, Zacatecas, Mexico.

More About JUAN-JOSE CAVELLO and MARIA-SILVESTRA TREMIÑO-VILLAREAL:
Marriage: 14 Jan 1809, Ig de Santiago Apostol, Viesca, Coahuila, Mexico1

3. iii. GREGORIO TREMIÑO-VILLAREAL, b. Abt. 1798, de Viesca, Coahuila, Mexico.

Generation No. 2

2. JOSE CLAUDIO2 TREMIÑO-VILLAREAL (JOSE-ANTONIO1 TREMIÑO) was born Abt. 1762 in Saltillo?, Coahuila, México, and died in , Coahuila, México. He married MARIA DE GRASIA MARTINES in , , , México. She was born Abt. 1764 in , Saltillo, Coahuila, México, and died in , Coahuila, México.

More About JOSE TREMIÑO-VILLAREAL and MARIA MARTINES:
Marriage: , , , México

Children of JOSE TREMIÑO-VILLAREAL and MARIA MARTINES are:
4. i. MARIA CECILIA3 TREMIÑO-MARTINES, b. 1779, Santo Domingo de la Punta, Viesca, Coahuila, México; d. 02 Jun 1849, La Punta de Santo Domingo, Viesca, Coahuila, Mexico.
5. ii. JOSE BENIGNO TREMIÑO-MARTINES, b. 28 Feb 1803, La Punta de Santo Domingo, Viesca, Coahuila, México; d. 07 Jul 1849, Santo Domingo de la Punta, Viesca, Coahuila, México.

3. GREGORIO2 TREMIÑO-VILLAREAL (JOSE-ANTONIO1 TREMIÑO) was born Abt. 1798 in de Viesca, Coahuila, Mexico. He married MADRE MALDONADO-ARREDONDO, daughter of PEDRO MALDONADO-FLORES and YSAVEL DE-AREDONDO-DE-ERRERA. She was born Abt. 1799 in de Viesca, Coahuila, Mexico.

Child of GREGORIO TREMIÑO-VILLAREAL and MADRE MALDONADO-ARREDONDO is:
i. JOSE GREGORIO DE LOS DOLORES3 TREMIÑO-MALDONADO, b. Oct 1817, , Viesca, Coahuila, Mexico2.

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Joseph's Dream and Visiting Salt Lake

Hello all,

First of all, I would like to thank Joseph, Arturo, and all the other little
helpers for all the work and effort, that they have put into making the
Ranchos Group, what it is today.

Second, we all can put in our own two bits of wisdom. We can ask questions,
we can share ideas. It doesn't matter how new, advanced or whatever level
we are on. We can always share and learn, from each other.

As for my self, I am not a professional researcher, I am just a person, who
wants to share what he has learned. The reason that I am where, that I am,
is that I have been asking questions about how to do Mexican research for
the last 19 years. Then I began to share what I have learned with others,
either through teaching classes, being a volunteer at my local Family
History Center, and reading messages posted through Ranchos and other
Message boards (and trying to answer a few). So we all can find something
to share.

As for ranchos members, visiting Salt Lake. If you need help, or would like
to meet me, feel free to contact me, because I live 84 miles north of the
Family History Library.

Jonathan
mexicanfhr@gmail.com

Visiting Salt Lake City Spring of 2009

Thanks Maureen,

Just thought it would be nice to meet up with some Ranchos members but it will be tough to get it to coincide with everyone's busy schedules. I just know that I want to go sometime in the spring and who knows, it may end up being a spur of the moment two or three day trip for me.

Thanks for your reply
Alicia

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From: Maureen Bejar
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 6:00:27 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Visiting Salt Lake City Spring of 2009

Dear Alicia and Rick:
    You know I would love to meet with you, but the only reason I am making the trip is because my husband has a meeting in Reno, Nevada in June.  Since we are in the area, we were going to plan on renting a car and driving to Salt Lake for a week to do some research.  Sort of killing two birds with one stone.  My date in June is not set yet.  Now if for some reason the June date is canceled, I may still plan a trip out west to visit my sister for a while and then head up to Salt Lake.  My schedule would be quite a bit more flexible.  I will keep you two posted.  Thank you for the offer.

Maureen

Arredondo

1) Juan de Arredondo m. Margarita de Caliz, hija/daughter of Captain Juan de Calis-Coy & Francisca Flores-de-Valdez-Salazar

2) Patricio de Arredondo m. Phelipa Briseno

3) Juan-Francisco de Arredondo married Aug. 08, 1734 to Maria-Zapopa de Herrera.

4) Isabel-Maria-Antonia Arredondo-Herrera
baptized July 4, 1740, Saltillo
married May 2, 1771 to Pedro Maldonado-Flores

 

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Message: 1
Date: Mon,  8 Dec 2008 20:13:47 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Asebes gamily
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I have updated my Asebes family tree.  It is listed in "files" under my name - Rosales, Enriqueta.  My Asebes family were in Nochistlan 1750(?) to 1800.  Then they move to Teocaltiche until 1885(?).  Then most of them moved to Mapimi, Durango and Coahuila.  From there, they came to the U.S..

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Bertha - the names you mentioned do not sound familiar to me.

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Date: Mon,  8 Dec 2008 20:34:54 -0800 (PST)
From: Maureen Bejar
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Research Dig. Vol 35 Issue 7 Antonio Gonz.
    &    Juliana De La Torre
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Dear John:
    Thank you, I already have that marriage referenced, but have not ordered the film yet to make sure that Antonio and Juliana are the correct ones.  Thus I do not have the marriage date in my GEDCOM.  The Tepa film is on my wish list.  I am planning a trip to SLC possibly in the spring and it will definitely be one I will look into.

  Thank you again.

Maureen

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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 21:08:29 -0800 (PST)
From: Alicia Carrillo
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Visiting Salt Lake City
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Dear Maureen,
I saw that you might visit Salt Lake City in the spring. I too would like to go in the spring and would like to meet up with some Ranchos familia. Maybe there might be other individuals who might be interested in a spring meet-up in SLC?

Saludos,
Alicia in San Jose, Calif

________________________________
From: Maureen Bejar

I am planning a trip to SLC possibly in the spring and it will definitely be one I will look into.

Thank you again.
Maureen

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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 00:15:44 -0600
From: "Rick Rodriguez"
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Visiting Salt Lake City
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Dear Alicia and Maureen, I'm also planning to visit SLC next year, maybe
during Easter week. I went last year during Easter and the very friendly
people there told me that they don't get that many visitors during this
week, and it's not that cold either. I'll probably spend a week or two
there.

Saludos,
Rick Rodriguez
Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco

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De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Alicia
Carrillo
Enviado el: Monday, December 08, 2008 11:08 PM
Para: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Visiting Salt Lake City

Dear Maureen,
I saw that you might visit Salt Lake City in the spring. I too would like to
go in the spring and would like to meet up with some Ranchos familia. Maybe
there might be other individuals who might be interested in a spring meet-up
in SLC?

Saludos,
Alicia in San Jose, Calif

________________________________
From: Maureen Bejar

I am planning a trip to SLC possibly in the spring and it will definitely be
one I will look into.

Thank you again.
Maureen

Joseph's Dream

Like all other voices raised, I would thank and honor Joseph and Arturo for their diligent work and the wonderous creation that NR has become.?

I regularly count my?blessing in almost literally tripping over NR and the fortune of having?half my ancestors from Aguascalientes, granting me access to learn at the feet of what feels like the masters as I undertake to research my ancestry.? A newbie to genealogy altogether, I have learned so much from all those who do have so much to contribute.? I'm am regularly awestruck by people's reports and discussions of ancestors in the 16th century, particularly when I'm still working?my?way through?the 1800's.??While I'm trying to figure out where I can look for information on a nothing-little town that no one ever heard of, I am blown away to read about people who know the names and locations of the ranchos where their people have lived.? I clearly have a lot to learn and, while much of the discourse brings me no closer to answers now, I am learning that there are resources and means by which information can be obtained.? One day I hope to get half so far as the rest of you.

Consider me one of those who has taken and given nothing, it would be fair, but I don't know that there is anything someone of my level can offer.?? Or is there?? Ideas?

Annette

Fw: 2009 Sueno

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From: JOSE MAGDALENA AGUAYO
To: Joseph Puentes
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 12:34 PM
Subject: 2009 Sueno

I would like to add my thanks to you and Arturo for the monumental work you have done and continue to do on Nuestros Ranchos. I am one of those, unfortunately, who has contributed little since I joined. My computer and research skills are not at a level where I can teach anyone anything, but I do promise to post some historical information in 2009. It is a pleasure to read the experiences and discoveries of others on Nuestros Ranchos. For that reason alone, I hope that your misgivings about the future of the group do not become reality.
Jose Aguayo

Research Digest, Vol 35, Issue 7

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JULIANA DE LA TORRE Pedigree
  Female   Family

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Marriages:
  Spouse:  ANTONIO GONZALES Family
  Marriage:  09 APR 1833   Tepatitlan De Morelos, Jalisco, Mexico

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Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 19:57:17 -0800
From: "Rosa Gonzalez"
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Rosario Enriquez
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My dear Maureen,
There is a special blood line that drew us together in NuestrosRanchos and I
am so incredibly happy with your wonderful assistance.  I wish we could all
help one another as much as you have extended to assist me.  Please do not
hesitate to ask me to assist you with your research in San Francisco or
anywhere in California.  I am here for you!!!!!  Thank you my dear!!!!
Rosa

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Bejar
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 6:28 PM
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Rosario Enriquez

Dear Rosa:
  I could not come up with anything either for Rosario and Trinidad's
marriage.  We might estimate that they were married when Trinidad was 15 or
sixteen years of age.  This may or may not be true, but it was common for
girls to marry around that age.  That would put the marriage around 1909.
If you know they were of the Catholic faith and hopefully they were married
in Jalostotitlan, then your best bet is to find your nearest LDS history
center and order the Catholic marriages film 1905-1913 # 279310 Jalos.
Review the film and if it is not there try 1913-1924 279311.  There are also
civil marriage records, but they appear to be one month of one year each, so
it would take more $$$$ and more time.  Also, since the marriage was in the
early 1900's I have noticed that many of the early 1900 films have not been
batched yet, so it would be near to impossible to find a marriage reference
online for them.  Mind you this is a long shot, but it may be your best bet.
I have done s
ome of my research in this manner and sometimes I am overwhelmingly lucky
and other times very disappointed.
  If you need help in finding more film numbers.  Go to the familysearch
site main page, click on "library" link at the top of that page and then
"library catalog", choose "placename" search and put in Jalostotitlan part
of Mexico.  Click on the links for civil or church records and then "view
film notes" button on the top right.  It will give you all the films that
might be ordered from Jalos.

Good luck

Maureen