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I've heard of La Gutierrada, and wonder if it's the same one that was
held about 4 years ago in Jalos? I knew of a couple that attended. The
husband is also a descendant of Jose Sotero & Ma de Jesus Romo--they are
his 2nd G Grandparents, but I recall that it was held in Jalos that
time. Does the locale change? Since you say it's the 2nd, then their's
must have been a smaller Gtz reunion, but they referred to it in the
same manner. My dad's Gonzalada also has a reunion in Ags. during the
Summer months.
Ricci, you must also be a relative of mine, however more distant than
you are to Miggy? Jose Sotero was brother to my G Grandmother, Tomasa
Gtz. Santo Toribio, was my father's 3rd cousin--distant too.
Irma Gomez Gtz

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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 11:23:21 -0800
From: "Miggy GUTIERREZ"
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Last year , the same day August 2, 2008 in Guadalajara there was the
first reunion known as the Gutierrada. The families of the Jose Sotero
Gutierrez and Maria de Jesus Romo from el Rancho de la Escondida near
Jalostotitlan had a successful reunion. By coincidence I believe they
are planning their second reunion this year also the same day August 2,
2009 .

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Hi everyone,

I hadn't checked the Roots TV site in a while, and noticed that they had added some new videos. Maybe they will be informative for some of you. This is the link:

http://www.rootstelevision.com/program_guide.php

type in - Hispanic genealogy in the SEARCH box

The 4 videos are: 1) Buscando Ancestors Mexicanos in el internet; 2) Hispanic Research Series at the FHL; 3) Mexico: Genealogical Research (George & Peggy Ryskamp); 4) Spanish Parish Records

Natalie

Hello everybody,

I am looking for the parents of Alvaro Carrilo from Teocaltiche , Jalisco he married Maria Alvarez de Sandi , daughter of Capitan Lorenzo Alvarez and Agustina de Viera ( velados ) March 4, 1585 in Lagos de Moreno , Jalisco .

Any and all info will be greatly appreciated .

Welester G. Alvarado and Arq. Jose Francisco Garza Carrillo

Isassi, Yssasi, Ysasi, Isassi or Isasi, is a Basque name. Not italian.

Jaime

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Ricci"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 12:37:51 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] ARAIZA y MEDINA (Bill Figueroa and RickRicci)

I noticed the same thing. as to the surname is was spelled many ways and was italian. Isassi is the most common spelling, or at least the one Jaime holcombe used. He did not have these girls, and elvira listed as children of Nicolas martin del campo and sebastiana Isassi but the records have prven that for elvira and antonia. I still need to check out maria married to antonio Vasquez zermeno but when I saw that I speculated that she could be antonias sister. I share the same thoughts as you do regarding the information we find even in published material that is why i check everything. If Jaime Holcombe, Mariano gonzlez Leal and my tio abuelo Doctor Rito Romo Franco can make mistakes as detail oriented as they are, then we all can and will make mistakes. I have made many and that is why I work so dilligently at correcting mistakes, mine and others. As you have seen I am not the greatest typist and make errors as I type away. I don't bother to correct e-mails but I triple check how I input data. my poor typing has actuallly make some great finds because the people that input data many times misread or mistyped the information when they would input it. Some of my biggest finds have been because I learned to deliberately type in info as if I was misreading or carelessly typing. I learned this when I took someone to the library about 13 years ago and theyknocked into the keyboard and out popped out the information on someone I had been looking hard for for at least 6 months. If they hadn't slapped at the keyboard out of frustration I may have never found that info. It was the last piece of the puzzle in my wives casillas family. The inputter had misread the information. Then I used that as a strategy. That is how I made my breakthrough in my romo line. I assumed that someone had misread the information and went over where I believed they may have made a mistake. I was right. That was when I made my family's connection to Santo Toribio Thanks Bill for all your help ________________________________ From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org on behalf of Bill Figueroa Sent: Thu 2/26/2009 10:06 AM To: research@nuestrosranchos.org Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] ARAIZA y MEDINA (Bill Figueroa and RickRicci) Rick, Have you seen the actual marriage record? Family Search also lists the marriage of Maria de Yzasi (not Antonia) who married Antonio Vazquez de Zermeño (Sermeño) on 25 May 1681. The strange thing is that they're listed for the SAME DATE AND PLACE (Batch M604181 Source Call 0221512). Was it a double marriage? Were Maria and Antonia sisters or was it a mistake made by the submitter? Apparently, both IGI records originated from the same submitter. To find these records, search for Maria de YZASI, then separately for Antonia de YSAZI. Notice that the surnames are spelled differently. The parents of the groom and bride are provided. I am wary of any information found on Family Search until it is verified against the actual record. I find errors every day. The same goes for some of the information published in books, even those published by distinguished genealogists and historians. Unless, of course, it is backed up with the proper sources. Family Search is a good tool, but should not be trusted blindly. The fact that the same LDS Film No. 221512 is given for both IGI records makes me believe that it was a double marriage for Maria and Antonia. Maybe someone in the group can look up the record. Bill Figueroa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ricci, Richard" To: Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 1:53 AM Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] ARAIZA y MEDINA (Bill Figueroa and RickRicci) Joseph de Aguilar Solorzano was married to Maria Antonia Ysazi (Isassi) Martin del Campo on 25 May 1681 Sta Ma. de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco Mexico Maria Antonia Isassi is the daughter of Nicolas Martin del campo and Sebastiana Isassi. Joseph Aguilar Solorzano is the son of Juan de Aguilar Solorzano and Luisa de Araiza y Medina according to the marriage notes. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List To post, send email to: research(at)nuestrosranchos.org To change your subscription, log on to: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org

Thank you for the information about Mr. Mariano´s Book. Wish the best for him and a good recovering since the surgery.

Steve y Francisco:

Les mandio un caluroso saludo desde Vallarta y les comento lo siguiente.... En estos dias he estado revisando todas las paginas del Censo de Poblacion de Mexico de 1930, especificamente de Santa Catarina, y me encontre ahi unos Sevilla y unos Apodaca. Fue inevitable recordarlos a ustedes claro, y además, vi unos de apellido MORGUITA. No recuerdo quien de los dos estaba buscando a esta familia (creo que Francisco si mal no recuerdo) y segun yo guarde las paginas para mandarselas a ustedes. pero cuando cerre el programa trate de ver los archivos que guarde con esa informacion y resulto que no son compatibles. Tengo que buscar la manera de poderselos mandar y que los vean si estan interesados. Solo necesito saber si les interesa tenerlos o si ya los vieron o ya los tienen.

Ahi mismo, en el censo, estuve sacando MUCHOS de mis antepasados por los Toscano principalemente. Ya termine de revisar los documentos de Santa Catarina y voy a comenzar en estos dias a ver los de Zacoalco (son 208 paginas) de los cuales sacaré miles de datos lo mas seguro. Si necesitan o les puedo ayudar en algo solo diganmelo por favor.

Estamos en contacto, por favor no se pierdan y escriban pronto.

LIC. ALESSANDRO VITELA

Ser de Luz!!!

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> Mariano is still working on the next 7 volumes....about 1000 pages per book according to historian Nicolas Anda de Sanchez. Mariano had surgery a few weeks ago and is aiming for a book release around May or June of this year. My cousin is good friends with Nicolas, and Nicolas had spoken with Mariano.
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Hola todos (as)

Busco archivos parroquiales o registros civiles de Mexticacan Jal. de 1925 a 1935 alguien tiene o sabe donde encontrarlos, estoy en Monterrey y no tengo viaje a mexticacan hasta diciembre, gracias de antemano.
Saludos cordiales

Antonio Santillan
santillan59@hotmail.com

> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 13:52:54 -0800
> From: rricci@lausd.net
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Reunions 2009 -
>
>
> It would be great for me if they were close together but not on the same day so that i may meet my cousins from both groups. My great great grandmother francisca Gutierrez romo is a first cousin of Sotero Gutierrez. Francisca and her husband Eligio romo jimenez were 2nd cousins to each other and both of them closely related to sotero gutierrez and his wife.
> from this romo family is my great aunt that just a few years ago recalled how when she was very young she threw fruit from from a tree at her uncle Santo toribio romo as he was walking on the sidewalk in front of her house. At first he was just dodging the fruit because he did not know where it was coming from. When he looked up and finally figured out who was throwing the fruit and from where he moved out of reach and admonished her. He warned her that he was going to tell her father( who was his cousin).
> She was very old when she told this story to my mom when she was visiting her.
> ________________________________
>
> From: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org on behalf of Miggy GUTIERREZ
> Sent: Sat 2/28/2009 11:23 AM
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
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>
>
>
> Last year , the same day August 2, 2008 in Guadalajara there was the first reunion known as the Gutierrada. The families of the Jose Sotero Gutierrez and Maria de Jesus Romo from el Rancho de la Escondida near Jalostotitlan had a successful reunion. By coincidence I believe they are planning their second reunion this year also the same day August 2, 2009 .
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Claudia_Reynoso
> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 10:13 AM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Reunion 2009 - travel partners from California???
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> I am interested in attending the Reunion this year, and would be great if I could partner with any NR members who will be traveling from California. I live in Souther Cali, and could meet up on land at any Mexican airport, or at LAX if I am so lucky to have local members...
>
> As far as preferred date--I agree with Ricci, July/August would work better for us up here, as it is vacation season.
> -Claudia
>

Good Evening Group: Could someone please explain the 19th Century or "modern" criteria as to how one acquired, maintained, or lost the "Don" and/or "Dona" prefix? Thanks so much, Alice BB

--- rricci@lausd.net wrote:

From: "Ricci, Richard"
To:
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family skeletons
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 13:30:49 -0800

________________________________

From: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org on behalf of Marge Vallazza
Sent: Mon 2/23/2009 12:53 PM
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family skeletons

That same sort of stuff is on the Sagrada Mitra book because it's in
the official record, so no big deal in those cases. In those days,
lots of people couldn't read so they didn't have the privelege of
trumpeting all the juicy gossip everywhere. We call one person in
this area around here "Channel 5" because like the tv station, she's
the first in "Breaking News." And I think it would be a great idea to
write the documented stories on NR, if Josef permits. Marge:)

On Feb 22, 2009, at 11:47 PM, Daniel M?ndez del Camino wrote:

Hi Alicia and Richard! I agree with Alicia, I have found out so many
'interesting stories' (scandals, hatred, love stories, murders,
betrayals) Maybe I can post some on Ranchos one day. MY goodness it
sounds like novela on "el catorce." But really if its something really
bad, I still want to know its part of who you are and your family
history. Like one would be my cuarto bisabuelo don Estevan López had
an affair with a younger women Gorgonia de Mendoza and had two kids.
Apparently only some certain confidants he had knew about it, one was
his son-in-law's two brothers Viviano and Manuel del Camino. And some
others. his wife didnot find out until these two kids were about 12 or
so. By then he Estevan had long been dead when his two hijos naturales
were 6 and 7. Lets say Estevan wasnt the faithfulest man on the
hacienda! On there records baptisms ( they have the last name López
but "de padre no conocido" y Gorgonia de Mendoza" Everyone knew he was
the father except his wife and his other family. THe list goes on of
escándolos. Thought I just share this part of Alteño history in my
family. -Daniel

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Mariano is still working on the next 7 volumes....about 1000 pages per book according to historian Nicolas Anda de Sanchez. Mariano had surgery a few weeks ago and is aiming for a book release around May or June of this year. My cousin is good friends with Nicolas, and Nicolas had spoken with Mariano.

I'll keep you posted as we are all very anxious about the new books.

Rose Hardy
Fresno, CA

Alguien en el grupo sabe si ya salió la última publicación del libro del Sr. Mariano Gonzalez Leal Vol. III ? O si hay alguna fecha para tal venta?
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Does anyone in the group know if there is a publication of the Mariano´s Leal book Vol. III or if there is a date for the sale?

Gracias por cualquier informacion/ Thanks for any info.

Alessandro Vitela

Can the terms "viuda" (widow) and "soltera" (spinster, or single woman) be used interchanged? That is, could "soltera" describe a women who is actually a widow?

I have a 1739 death record from Aguascalientes for Josepha Rodrigues where "soltera" is used. Her parents are named, but there is no other information. I also have what may be her husband's (Salvador Ponse) death record from 1738, where it states that he is married to Josepha Rodrigues.

George Fulton

Perdoneme Rodolfo pero la etimologia de Don , NO es de las siglas De Origen Noble. De acuerdo al Diccionario de la Real Academia Española, viene de el Latin dominus (proprietario o señor). De acuerdo con la Enciclopedia Britanica, en la epoca romana se utilizaba dominus para el dueño de propriedad y esclavos. Fue de echo el emperador Diocleciano (284 to 305 DC) el primero en utilizarlo y sus sucesores fueron conocidos como dominate ( dominatus ).

Ahora, estoy de acuerdo que su uso original era reservado para el trato de aquellas personas de noble origen, independientemente del titulo nobilario que ostentaban. Tambien estoy de acuerdo que el uso actual en ciertos contextos aun es reservado para referir a personas de abolengo, independientemente de su abuso. De echo en Argentina se usa como equivalente de fulano.

Respetuosamente

Jaime Alvarado

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rodolfo Sinaí Gómez"
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 5:16:11 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Don y Doña

Perdón pero estan en un error.

Don y Doña son el trato que reciben aún hoy en día las personas de abolengo sin importar la edad, lo mismo un niño recién nacido que una anciana de 100 años.

El trato de Don y Doña sólo se les dá a personas que pertenecen a la realeza, la alta, media y ba´ja nobleza y a sus descendientes hasta en la tercera generación, a personas que pertenecen a órdenes militares o on cargos en el gobierno real y que el Rey les otorga un escudo de armas.

Esto pasó en el virreinato y aún en el siglo XIX en México y casi toda Latinoamérica.

Los indios nobles también recibian el trato de Don y tenian pribilegios de español como el uso de caballos, casa a la española, uso de armas, caminar por las banquetas, uso de carruajes, etc.

El uso de don y doña se extendió como una manera de respeto o trato especial, de tal modo que hoy en día en México cualquier pelado es Don o Doñita.

Don es la abreviación de 3 palabras. Significa: De Origen Noble. DON.

Para poder usar ese título era necesario ser de origen noble y contar con blasónes o escudo de armas.

Recordemos que los títulos te los dan los demás. Es totalmente incorrecto referirse a uno mismo cono "soy el señor ...." o "atentamente: Don..... ", o "soy el Licenciado fulano de tal" .... eso va contra cualquier protocolo.

En México algunas instituciones sobre todo las religiosas se referían a Don o Doña ya sólo a las personas con poder económico sin importar la genealogía, Don y Doña son títulos para distinguir a la gente entre nobles y plabeyos, en las Repúblicas el uso de los títulos esta prohibido, se cambió por el de Ciudadano.

Espero les haya servido la información.

Rodolfo Sinaí Gómez

> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 20:23:59 -0800
> From: alliecar@pacbell.net
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Don y Doña
>
> Alice,
> In today's time it's still used, the Don y Doña. In our family it's a form of respect or for the eleders. Don Jose, Doña Maria etc. Now that we are older the younger generation sometimes refers to us as Don Juan or Doña Alicia.
>
> Many people don't use it and some of us who are old fashioned still do.
> I suppose that for archival records it was influential people who were addressed in this manner, people with money, those who were in public office and the elders.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Alicia,
> San Jose, Calif
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: AliceBB
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org; alicebb@netscape.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 7:46:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Prefixes
>
> Hello All, Thought I'd put this out again. I got no response the first time and since I'm relatively new to genealogy, I was hoping that someone could shed some light on this. I come across these prefixes so often, I'd like to know who was entitled to use them. Thanks again, Alice BB
>
> --- alicebb@netscape.com wrote:
>
> From: AliceBB
> To:
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Prefixes
> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:31:37 -0800
>
> Good Evening Group: Could someone please explain the 19th Century or "modern" criteria as to how one acquired, maintained, or lost the "Don" and/or "Dona" prefix? Thanks so much, Alice BB
>
> --- rricci@lausd.net wrote:
>
> From: "Ricci, Richard"
> To:
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family skeletons
> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 13:30:49 -0800
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org on behalf of Marge Vallazza
> Sent: Mon 2/23/2009 12:53 PM
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family skeletons
>
>
>
> That same sort of stuff is on the Sagrada Mitra book because it's in
> the official record, so no big deal in those cases. In those days,
> lots of people couldn't read so they didn't have the privelege of
> trumpeting all the juicy gossip everywhere. We call one person in
> this area around here "Channel 5" because like the tv station, she's
> the first in "Breaking News." And I think it would be a great idea to
> write the documented stories on NR, if Josef permits. Marge:)
>
> On Feb 22, 2009, at 11:47 PM, Daniel M?ndez del Camino wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Alicia and Richard! I agree with Alicia, I have found out so many
> 'interesting stories' (scandals, hatred, love stories, murders,
> betrayals) Maybe I can post some on Ranchos one day. MY goodness it
> sounds like novela on "el catorce." But really if its something really
> bad, I still want to know its part of who you are and your family
> history. Like one would be my cuarto bisabuelo don Estevan López had
> an affair with a younger women Gorgonia de Mendoza and had two kids.
> Apparently only some certain confidants he had knew about it, one was
> his son-in-law's two brothers Viviano and Manuel del Camino. And some
> others. his wife didnot find out until these two kids were about 12 or
> so. By then he Estevan had long been dead when his two hijos naturales
> were 6 and 7. Lets say Estevan wasnt the faithfulest man on the
> hacienda! On there records baptisms ( they have the last name López
> but "de padre no conocido" y Gorgonia de Mendoza" Everyone knew he was
> the father except his wife and his other family. THe list goes on of
> escándolos. Thought I just share this part of Alteño history in my
> family. -Daniel
>
>
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Hello Alicia,
Don't know if you remember me, but I met you when I hosted the first So. Cal meeting of Rancho members in my home.  I haven't been able to devote much time to my genealogy searches lately but I try to keep up with the group by reading the postings.  I found your question a very valid one.  I first started by searching my maternal ancestry in 1970.  From the time II was very small my maternal grandmother would often speak of her early days in Mexico.  As a young adult I would often stop by her house after work and she would tell me stories of days passed.  It was then that my interest in my ancestry began.  As the years passed and I began asking questions of my aunts I came across some resistance from a few of the elder aunts.  I thought this very odd since my grandmother had been very candid with me when she spoke of her life.  In fact eight days before her death a video was made of my grandmother as she told her story.  At the age of 92 she
was very accurate in her facts and very forthcoming of many details of her life.  As years have passed many of my "successes" can be directly attributed to information passed on by her in the video.  As I've continued my research I have found that it was quite common for the men in the family to have had more than one family with two or more "wives."  Such was the case with my grandparents (both paternal & maternal), and perhaps.  There were families left in Mexico, and new families established in the United States.  These "skeletons" no doubt were the reason for the reluctance of some family members to share memories of the past.  It's too bad  because regardless of origin, there is so much richness in our family lines.  It wasn't until about 10 years ago that I actively started search my paternal side and, unfortunately, the relatives still living have very sketchy memories of their parents and grandparents.  Some, on this side too are
reluctant to share information.    But, I keep searching.  We never know what will be uncovered.  Good luck in your searches to all Rancho members.

Saludos
Olivia Jaurequi-Reyes
Rowland Heights, CA

--- On Sun, 2/22/09, Alicia Carrillo wrote:

From: Alicia Carrillo
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family skeletons
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Sunday, February 22, 2009, 9:35 PM

Richard,

I didn't intend to pry in to sensitive material for anyone......just wondered if this was problematic for anyone else. I know in my family there is a lot of lore that has some truth to it and I've been asked by some family relations "why are you doing this"? Some believe that I'm trying to uncover some dirt and that has never been my intention.

As far as I know there are a couple of other distant family members doing Genealogy but I have yet to meet them in person. Most of the family is intrigued by the findings and how it is that we can trace our ancestry. It has been a pleasure to share what I have with different branches of the family. To see the wonderment in their eyes when they see the actual documents that trace back several generations and to hear them say, no wonder my father or mother used to say, "THIS IS YOUR TIO OR TIA or YOUR COUSIN" but I never knew how they were related to me.

I did find one skeleton but rather than flinch, they were intrigued and wanted to know more about my Ggrandfather's out of wedlock child and where might they find this individual and his descendants.

Thanks Ricci,

Saludos,
Alicia, San Jose, Calif

_

Can somebody read the attached marriage recording and figure out what the middle name is?

Does anyone have information on the Villalpando family of Aguascalientes?

From the Aguascalientes chuich records there is:

(1) Thomas Villalpando and Maria Vargas
married 7 Oct 1677, in Aguascalientes; they had at least these children
(i) Antonio, chr. 7 Oct 1682, Aguascalientes
(ii) Maria, chr. 5 Dec 1685
(iii) Thomas, chr. 29 Mar 1687

(2) Thomas Villalpando and Maria de Jaen (y Ruis de Esparza?)
married 12 Mar 1690, Aguascalientesl; they had at least 3 children
(i) Juan Manuel, chr. 27 Dec 1690
(ii) MAria Theresia, chr 10 May 1693
(iii) Maria Antonia, chr 4 Apr 1695

(3) Thomas Villalpando and Maria Sotelo
marriage date not found; they had several children, these two christened in Aguascalientes
(i) Juan Antonio, chr. 23 Aug 1701
(ii) Maria de la Salud, chr. 22 Mar 1704
other children from marriages records were
(iii) Felipa, m. Andres Macias
(iv) Francisco, m. Pedtra de la Candelaria Luevana Contreras
(v) Elena Lorensa, m. Salbador de Santiago de Escobar.

The Thomas who married Maria de Jaen, is not Thomas, chr. 29 Mar 1687. Thomas who married Maria Sotelo could be, but he would have married rather young. Evidence is lacking.

There are also several other Villalpando's in Aguascalientes ion the time period.

Thank you!

George

Jaime A. Michel pregunto:

Tendras informacion de Elena Cueto Diaz nacio en Sayula, Jalisco en 1888 estuvo casada con Manuel C. Michel Zamora ;se que era hija de Francisco Cueto Vale y Maria Diaz Gonzalez, me gustaría saber si tienes informacion sobre hermanos, ancestros de ella,

Pongo la pregunta aqui para que otros tengan la oportunidad de ayudar.

Lo que encontre es lo siguiente,

Name: Maria Merced Coheto
Gender: Female
Christening date: 02 Nov 1881
Christening place: Santuario de Guadalupe, Sayula, Jalisco, Mexico
Residence: Sayula, Jalisco, Mexico
Father name: Francisco Coheto
Mother name: Serapia Diaz
Batch number: I06283-2
Record group: Mexico-EASy
Film number: 224957

Name: Vicente Coheto
Gender: Male
Christening date: 25 Dec 1883
Christening place: Santuario de Guadalupe, Sayula, Jalisco, Mexico
Residence: Sayula, Jalisco, Mexico
Father name: Francisco Coheto
Mother name: Serapia Diaz
Batch number: I06283-3
Record group: Mexico-EASy
Film number: 224957

Name: Elena Coheto
Gender: Female
Christening date: 08 Oct 1885
Christening place: Santuario de Guadalupe, Sayula, Jalisco, Mexico
Residence: Sayula, Jalisco, Mexico
Father name: Francisco Coheto
Mother name: Serapia Dias
Batch number: I06364-8
Record group: Mexico-EASy
Film number: 224958

Name: Francisco Coheto
Gender: Male
Christening date: 30 Jul 1887
Christening place: Santuario de Guadalupe, Sayula, Jalisco, Mexico
Residence: Sayula, Jalisco, Mexico
Father name: Francisco Coheto
Mother name: Serapia Diaz
Batch number: I06364-9
Record group: Mexico-EASy
Film number: 224958

Name: Elena Coeto
Gender: Female
Christening date: 03 Aug 1888
Christening place: Santuario de Guadalupe, Sayula, Jalisco, Mexico
Residence: Sayula, Jalisco, Mexico
Father name: Francisco Coeto
Mother name: Serapia Diaz
Batch number: I06365-0
Record group: Mexico-EASy
Film number: 224958

Name: Ygnacio Cueto
Gender: Male
Christening date: 24 Feb 1895
Christening place: Santuario de Guadalupe, Sayula, Jalisco, Mexico
Residence: Sayula, Jalisco, Mexico
Father name: Francisco Cueto
Mother name: Empia... Dias
Batch number: I02522-8
Record group: Mexico-EASy
Film number: 224960

Observaciones y sugerencias,

• Muchas veces los escribanos apuntaban los nombres, apellidos como los escuchaban. No siempre vas a encontrar el apellido escrito de la misma manera.
• Los padres probablemente se casaron unos años antes del nacimiento del primer hijo/hija 1881 y atrás. Busca en el ‘81 también.
• La primera Elena Coheto nacida en 1885 probablemente murió antes del nacimiento de su hermana Elena en 1888
• Probablemente hay más hijos de este matrimonio ya que hay un espacio de aprox. 7 años entre Elena y Ygnacio
• Revisa los documentos ya que muchas veces tienen mayor información. Los números de las filminas de donde se obtuvo la información se encuentran después de las palabras, “Film number:”
• Esta información fue obtenida de Pilot.FamilySearch.org
• No se te olvide buscar en el Registro Civil, ya que también puedes encontrar información adicional ahí.
• Si te topas con alguna pared busca ayuda :•)

Depending on the time frame, the father might not have been around to say
the child was his when it was born. It doesn't mean he wasn't the father.
He was working or fighting or whatever when the child was baptised. If
the father wasnt present the priest wouldnt put his name down. Or perhaps
the parents werent able to marry due to not having a priest around during
the revolution. I guess ......sometimes there is more information to
find.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marge Vallazza"
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Why are we doing Genealogy
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 11:12:32 -0600

Oh, yes! One of my tias was highly insulted when I revealed that
my grandfather was a child whose father was not on his birth
record. She very emphatically told her sisters that it was NOT
true.

Then, I just recently learned that this same grandfather was not
the eldest in his family as I'd always been told. I found
information (and on the new Family History pilot site, hurray!)
that showed his brother was his elder by 3 years. THAT record was
another "no father listed." :( Pobre visabuela mia. Marge:)

On Feb 22, 2009, at 5:27 PM, Alicia Carrillo wrote:

Jonathan,

What a great question to ask the group............I have enjoyed
reading everyone's postings and the various reasons for beginning
to do Genealogical research and the reasons for continuing to do
research.

Thanks everyone for sharing so openly and honestly, it makes for a
great book on Genealogy.

Now another question, is anyone in your family offended because you
do family research and with the findings??
Meaning dark skeleton's in the family closet that may or may not
have been intentional findings.

Thanks again to everyone, great reading.
Alicia

Dear Jonathan and Alicia,
What great questions the two of you ask. There are several
reasons that genealogy sparked my interest.
First and foremost, my maternal grandfather and father knew so much
about their families--I thought that it would be a crime to ignore it.
I recall at a very young age listening to conversations of my
elders--some seemed like tall tales, others were hushed or spoken in
Spanish slang that I couldn't always understand. Then folks from the
old country would show up on my parent's doorsteps, and my parents would
try to describe their relationship to us. My dad would later call them
"paracaidistas" meaning that they literally fell out of the sky and onto
our doorstep like parachute jumpers. They were often looking for work
in the U.S. Often, if they were not close relatives, my father would
help them find work.
My maternal grandparents would also visit every 3-5 years. My
grandfather was very interested in his family tree, as well as my
grandmother's. In addition to being a dairy farmer, my grandfather was
also a surveyor which meant a lot of travelling from ranch to ranch
measuring folk's lands, and hand drawing maps for them. I still
remember his color pencils, rulers, etc.,. According to my mother, he
would come back from his travels, and relay genealogy information
regarding his wife's relatives. My mother would listen to his stories,
and would later help me in my research by telling me which ranchos they
had relatives on. Before my grandfather died, he did get my cousin to
write what he knew down (several generations). This has helped me a lot
in my research. I also recall visiting Mexico with my parents and
meeting many people, visiting places which would spark more stories.
Learning that my father's mother who died when he was 2 years
old was born in the same house as my mother, brought about more
questions. What was this woman like, and who had lived in this ranch
house. How did my grandfather acquire this, and what was his
relationship to my father's maternal line. Also, how are all these
Gutierrez tied to each other, and how are all these Padillas tied to
each other. Why does my family and folks from our towns look different,
and sometimes behave differently from the rest of Mexico? I am slowly
uncovering answers to all of these questions. I also have found that my
father and his family has some curious food practices which I thought
was the norm for Mexicans until I compared stories with other Mexicans
and then became friends with a Jewish woman. I have nothing concrete
here though, so many of my questions continue...
As a child, my father would also listen to family stories, and
later convey these and his family tree to me---mostly names back to
people born in the late 1700s. I recall that when my father was out of
reach, my mother would tell me that my Dad's stories were embellished,
and to not believe everything he said. I decided long ago that it was
my job to separate fact from fiction. It has been like a puzzle for me.
My father's stories did have some truth after all, and I was able to
prove some family lines that he had hoped I wouldn't. It's interesting
to see how we all fall into place in this vast family tree. I have also
placed some of these "paracaidistas" into the family tree. Even now
when I visit my father, he will have visitors who talk about who died,
who suffered this or that, stories from the past. I still listen
intently just in case they fit into my tree. I never come away with
nothing.
Now that my father is in his late 70's, and my mother has
dementia, he is sharing some skeletons which I had hoped didn't exist.
I have also run across some in my research. I always welcome the truth,
but sometimes it can be painful and uncomfortable. He has told me that
I need to know the truth although some of his family members would be
mad at him for sharing it all. I most likely will not write about some
of these things because they would only hurt people, and not help. The
majority of my family wants me to hurry up and share what I have. I am
fortunate in that they do value my research, but have been told by some
to leave the fairly new skeletons out. I will respect their wishes,
especially those which would only hurt living people, and serve no real
purpose.
Thanks again for asking such important questions. This will help us all
to write our family histories or at least get started.
Irma Gomez Gtz.
Northern California

Mi agradecimiento sincero por darme la oportunidad de ser parte de su grupo. Ya tengo varios años ayudando a mi esposo en la búsqueda de sus raices en Silesia que era Alemania cuando él nació y desde 1945 pasó a ser parte de Polonia. De ahí nació en mí el deseo de hacer lo mismo con mi familia en México, pero hasta ahora no me había sido posible encontrar personas o grupos dedicados seriamente a la genealogía. Estoy segura de que podremos ayudarnos mutuamente.

Mi presentación al grupo:
http://www.boehm-chronik.com/mexico/b-boehm.htm

En busca de mis antepasados:
http://www.boehm-chronik.com/mexico/antepasados.htm

Empezaré buscando informacion sobre los antepasados de las familias de Narciso NAVARRO (+1894) y de Antonia ACEVES (+ 1910 aprox.) los dos nacidos en Tepatitlán, Jalisco.

Saludos,
Bertha Medina de Boehm

Hello,
 
I am doing genealogical research--my family comes primarily from the Lagos de Moreno area with many of them being 'indios' from the Pueblo de Moya which is now a neighborhood in present-day Lagos de Moreno. One branch of the family then moved to Aguascalientes from the Lagos area. I've been in touch with an historian in Lagos who believes many of the indios from Pueblo de Moya were Tlaxcala indians from the South who helped in the conquest and I have a little bit of info. regarding the founding of Pueblo de Moya--many who carry my family names but I have not yet made the connection. I will be happy to share any informaton that I have and hope to find someone researching lines similar to mine. http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/17463

 
Thank you
 
Jennifer Lertwachara

I have an ancestor named maria magdalena salas lozano christened on 2/jul/1787 with the parents named Josse de Santiago salas (Macias?) and francisca Lozano.
Magdalena was married to Juan antonio Casillas in Tepa on 20/may 1787

Does anybody have info on magdalenas grandparents Jose de santiago Salas was supposed to be from aguasclintes I think

My wife descends from Jose Caytano Nunez and Maria Josefa Macias from santa maria lagos lagos de moreno. Any info on them? they aare the parents of jose bacilio nunes christened 22/jun/1784

Hola Irma:

Saludos desde Guadalajara, Jalisco.

Yo tambien soy genealogista aficionado desde hace ya varios años y mis
ancestros por linea paterna son de la region de Los Altos de Jalisco, mi
nombre
es Tomas Alejandro Villegas Gomez, tengo 44 años, soy Ingeniero Quimico,
naci y vivo en la ciudad de Guadalajara, Jalisco, mi padre Tomas Villegas
Gutierrez
es de Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco.

Por cierto mis ancestros tambien llevan el apellido Ramirez y el
Gomez, este
ultimo de los Gomez Hurtado de Mendoza de los Altos. En resumen de estos
apellidos es asi: 1.- Yo: Tomas Alejandro Villegas Gomez, 2.- Mis Padres:
Tomas
Villegas Gutierrez y Maria Elena Gomez Castellanos, 3.- Mis Abuelos
Paternos:
Francisco Villegas Navarro y Mucia Gutierrez Ramirez, 4.- Mis Bisabuelos
Paternos:
Gil Gutierrez Flores y Josefa Ramirez Perez, 5.- Mis Tatarabuelos padres de
Josefa:
Nicolas Ramirez Gomez y Serapia Perez Gomez, 6.- 4tos.Abuelos padres de
Nicolas: Miguel Ramirez Aceves y Ma. de Santiago Gomez Perez, 7.- 5tos.
Abuelos
padres de Miguel: juan Jose Ramirez Gutierrez y Ma. Jesus Aceves Padilla,
8.- 6tos.
Abuelos padres de Juan Jose: Agustin Ramirez de Luna y Ma. Dolores Gutierrez
Muñoz, 9.- 7mos. Abuelos padres de Agustin: Jose Geronimo Ramirez y Juana
Manuela de Luna y Tapia, casados el 15 de Mayo de 1773 en Sta. Maria de los
Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jal., aqui estoy hasta ahora me falta revisar este
matrimonio para seguir mas atras.

---------------------------------------------------

A Continuacion te pongo lo que yo tengo, que es informacion del
Genealogista el Dr. Jose Carlos Barba Gómez y este a su vez se baso en
investigaciones del Genealogista Dr. Rito Romo Franco (Que en Paz Descanse):

Tengo como hijos de Juan Jose y Ma. de Jesus a:

1.- Vicente, Nacido Aprox. en 1819 en La Estancia de
los Casillas, Valle de Guadalupe, Jal., casado con
Juana Maria Pérez Gómez, nacida en Mayo de 1822
tambien en La Estancia de los Casillas, Valle de
Glpe., Jal, casados el 02-May-1841 en Jalostotitlan,
Jal., tengo registrados solamente a 2 hijos:
1.1.- José Octaviano Ramírez Pérez, Nacido en Mzo de
1848 en Jalos.
1.2.- Ma. Isabel Ramirez Perez, casada con Diego
Cornejo Aceves el 09-Feb-1860 en Jalos.
2.- Miguel, mi Ancestro Directo, casado con Ma. de
Santiago Gómez Pérez, Hija de Ignacio Gómez e
Ignacia Pérez, Nacida Aprox. en 1823, casados
el 25-Jul-1840 en Jalos, solo tengo registrados 2 hijos:
2.2.- Leonardo Ramirez Gomez, nacido Aprox. en 1841
casado con Ma-Loreto Franco Valladares, nacida
Aprox. en 1836 en La Estancia de los Casillas,
Valle de Glpe., Jal., casados el 12-May-1870 en
Tepatitlan,tengo registrados a 3 hijos solamente:
2.2.1.- José Urbano Ramirez Franco, nacido en Junio
de 1871 en Guadalajara, Jal.
2.2.2.- Monica Ramirez Franco nacida Aprox. en 1878,
casada con Jose Santos Padilla Franco, hijo de
Eugenio Padilla y Dionicia Franco, hijos de estos
Son:
2.2.2.1.- Antonino Padilla Ramirez
2.2.2.2.- Felicitas Padilla Ramirez
2.2.2.3.- Silvina
2.2.2.4.- Jose Ana
2.2.2.5.- Ma. de Jesús
2.2.2.6.- Josefina
2.2.2.7.- Altagracia
2.2.2.8.- Joaquina
2.2.2.9.- Francisco
2.2.2.10.- Romana Padilla Ramirez nacida el
18-Nov-1907 en Valle de Glpe., Jal.

2.2.3.- Eliseo Ramirez Franco Nacido Aprox. en 1882.
casado con Pascuala Franco Morales, Hija de
Basilio Franco y Ma.Matilde Morales, nacida
Aprox. en 1881, solo tengo un hijo registrado:
2.2.3.1.- Leonardo Ramirez Franco nacido el
06-Dic-1907 en Valle de Glpe. Jal.

2.3 .- Nicolas Ramirez Gomez (Mi Tatarabuelo),
nacido Aprox. en 1844, casado con Serapia
Perez Gomez, hija de Gregorio Perez y Ma.
Refugio Gomez, nacida el 14-Nov-1850 en el
Rancho Acahuales, Mpo. de Tepa, Jal, muerta
el 25-Nov-1931 en Valle de Glpe., Jal.
casados el 28-Jun-1868 en Tepa, Jal. pidiendo
dispensa por parentesco de cosanguinidad en
tercer grado igual, eran primos segundos por lo
Perez, tengo registrados a los siguientes hijos:
2.3.1.- Josefa Ramirez Perez, (Mi Bisabuela)nacida
Aprox. en 1869, muerta el 23-Nov-1945 en Valle
de Glpe., Jal., casada con Gil Gutierrez Flores
hijo de José Guadalupe Gutierrez y de Ma.
Dolores Flores, nacido en Septiembre de 1859
en San Miguel El Alto, Jal., casados el 28 de
Octubre de 1885 en Jalos, entre sus hijos tengo
registrados a:

2.3.1.1.- Martin Gutierrez Ramirez, Nacido Aprox. en
1887.
2.3.1.2.- Magdalena Gtz. Rmz., nacida el 18-Ago-1889
en Valle de Glpe., Jal.
2.3.1.3.- Maria Gtz. Rmz., nacida Aprox. en 1890.
2.3.1.4.- Gabina Gtz.Rmz., nacida el 19-Feb-1894 en
Valle de Glpe., Jal.
2.3.1.5.- Mucia Gtz. Rmz.(Mi Abuelita), nacida el
13-May-1896 en Valle de Glpe., Jal. y muerta
el 09-Sep-1985 en Guadalajara, Jal.
2.3.1.6.- Jose Trinidad Gtz. Rmz. nacido el 11 de
Junio de 1911 en Valle de Glpe., Jal.
2.3.1.7.- Justino Gtz. Rmz. , muerto el 16-Abr-1946
en Sta. Ma. de la Etacion, Encarnacion de Diaz,
Jal.
2.3.1.8.- Roman Gtz. Rmz.
2.3.1.9.- Simona Gtz. Rmz.

2.3.2.- Rosalio Ramirez Perez, nacido Aprox. en 1872,
casado con mi Tia Abuela Serapia Villegas
Navarro, hija de Tomas Villegas y Paula Navarro,
casados el 05-May-1896 en Tepa, Jal.

2.3.3.- Esteban Ramirez Perez, nacido Aprox. en 1883,
casado con mi Tia Bisabuela Donaciana Navarro
Franco.

2.3.4.- Gabino Ramirez Perez, casado con Martiniana
Franco Casillas, hija de Urbano Franco y de
Benigna Casillas.

2.3.5.- Jose Ramirez Perez casado con Nicolasa
Padilla Loza, hija de Juan Padilla y Margarita
Loza.

2.3.6.- Juana Ramirez Perez, casada con Prospero
Perez Franco, hijo de Jose Melquiades Perez
y de Manuela de la Trinidad Franco.

2.3.7.- Nicolasa Ramirez Perez, no tengo mas datos.

3.- Jose Eutimio Ramirez Aceves, nacido el 24 de
Diciembre de 1821 en San Miguel el Alto, Jal.

4.- Domingo Ramirez Aceves, del cual solo tenia que
nacio Aprox. en 1831, los demas datos me los
acabas de dar en tu e-mail.

5- Jose de Jesus Ramirez Aceves nacido Aprox. en
1833, casado con Petra Alvarez Fernández, hija de
Domingo Alvarez y Ma. Walda Fernández, casados
el 26-Feb-1851 en Jalos.

6.- Antonio Ramirez Aceves, Casado con Teodora
Alvarez Gomez nacida Aprox. en 1830, hija de
Jose Reyes Alvarez y Ma. Justa Rufina Gomez.

7.- Ma. de San Juan Ramirez Aceves, solo tengo su
nombre.

8.- Norberta Ramirez Aceves, no la tenia los datos me
los diste tu.

9.- Faustino Ramirez Aceves, no lo tenia los datos me
los diste tu.

Con respecto a los Gomez Hurtado de Mendoza, mi
linea es asi:

1.- Yo: Tomas Alejandro Villegas Gomez.
2.- Mis Padres: Tomas Villegas y Ma. Elena Gomez.
3.- Mis Abuelos: Francisco Villegas y Mucia Gutierrez.
4.- Mis Bisabuelos: Gil Gutierrez y Josefa Ramirez.
5.- Mis Tatarabuelos: Nicolas Ramirez y Serapia Perez.
6.- Mis 4tos. Abuelos: Miguel Ramirez Aceves y Ma.
de Santiago Gomez Perez.
7.- Mis 5tos. Abuelos: Ignacio Gomez Gomez e
Ignacia Perez Alvarez.
8.- Mis 6tos. Abuelos: Juan Manuel Gomez Padilla y
Catalina Gomez Hurtado de Mendoza Martin
Sotomayor.
9.- Mis 7mos. Abuelos: Miguel Gomez Hurtado de
Mendoza Leal de Ayala y Juana Padilla Davila
Barba.
10.- Mis 8vos. Abuelos: Agustin Gomez Hurtado de
Mendoza Torres Valdivia y Maria Leal de Ayala
Carbajal.
11.- Mis 9nos. Abuelos: Esteban Gomez Hurtado de
Mendoza y Maria Torres de Valdivia.
12.- Mis 10mos. Abuelos: Manuel Gomez y Catalina
Hurtado de Mendoza Olivares.

De la anterior Generacion 8:
8.- Mis 6tos. Abuelos: Juan Manuel Gomez Hm Padilla
y Catalina Gomez Hurtado de Mendoza Martin
9.- Padres de Catalina, mis 7mos. Abuelos: Anastacio
Gomez HM Leal de Ayala y Polonia Martin de
Sotomayor Casillas.
10.- Mis 8vos. Abuelos: Diego Gomez HM y Francisca
Leal de Ayala Carbajal.
11.- Mis 9nos. Abuelos: Esteban Gomez HM y Maria
Torres de Valdivia.
12.- Mis 10mos. Abuelos: Manuel Gomez y Catalina
Hurtado de Mendoza Olivares.

De la mencionada al Inicio 5ta. Generacion:

5.- Mis Tatarabuelos: Nicolas Ramirez y Serapia Perez.
6.- Mis 4tos.Abuelos, padres de Serapia: Gregorio
Perez de la Torre y Ma. del Refugio Gomez Gomez.
7.- Mis 5tos. Abuelos: Juan Gomez Carmona y Eulogia
Gomez Padilla.
8.- Mis 6tos. Abuelos: Juan Lucas Gomez y Maria
Carmona, hasta aqui tengo en esa linea, no se si
sean tambien Gomez Hurtado de Mendoza.

De la Anterior 7ma. Generacion:
7.- Mis 5tos. Abuelos: Juan Gomez Carmona y Eulogia
Gomez Padilla.
8.- Mis 6tos. Abuelos: Jose Maria Gomez Suazo y
Ma. de Jesus Padilla Vallejo.
9.- Mis 7mos. Abuelos: Juan Lucas Felipe Gomez
Hurtado de Mendoza Romero y Ma. Dolores Suazo
y Carmona.
10.- Mis 8vos. Abuelos: Blas Gomez Hurtado de
Mendoza Estrada y Leonor Romero de Chavez
Gonzalez.
11.- Mis 9nos. Abuelos: Hernando Fernando Gomez
HM Torres y Maria Estrada Bocanegra.
12.- Mis 10mos. Abuelos: Esteban Gomez HM y
Maria Torres de Valdivia.
13.- Mis 11vos. Abuelos: Manuel Gomez y Catalina
Hurtado de Mendoza Olivares.

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To Richard R.--

My husband has OLMOS in his family tree. His OLMOS are from the Ayo el Chico area. Can you be more specific with your Luis LOMELINI and OLMOS details?

Thanks.

Sincerely,
Patricia BURTON
San Diego, Ca.

--- On Sun, 2/22/09, Ricci, Richard wrote:

> From: Ricci, Richard
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luis LOMELINI???
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Sunday, February 22, 2009, 7:47 PM
> the lomelin olmos line descends from luis lomelin and not
> carlos
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org on behalf
> of patricia burton
> Sent: Sun 2/22/2009 7:36 PM
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luis LOMELINI???
>
>
>
> To Richard R.--
>
> My husband comes from the LOMELI/LOMELIN/ LOMELINI line. I
> have worked on part of the lines of Miguel HIDALGO, namely
> the ones that come from the GALLAGA part of the family.
> Would you please give some details on this brother of Carlos
> LOMELINI and how he fits into the Padre Miguel HIDALGO
> family tree? Many thanks.
>
> Sincerely,
> Patricia BURTON
> San Diego, Ca.
>
>
> --- On Sat, 2/21/09, Ricci, Richard
> wrote:
>
> > From: Ricci, Richard
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thank You
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 2:18 PM
> > My notes have him as Carlos' brother. He is also
> the
> > ancestor of one of miguel Hidalgos lines. Miguel
> Hidalgo
> > Costilla descends from both brothers. The
> Lomelin's from
> > Puebla and Mexico City descend from Luis. Back then
> the
> > records show lomelin. Before that it is Lomellini or
> > lomelini. It wasn't until later that people
> started
> > dropping the n. In Portugal the lomelin line added an
> o to
> > make Lomelino. And the stories are true about one
> branch
> > leaving Genoa , going to Spain and cornering the slave
> trade
> > there. There rest of the family was into more
> legitimate
> > businesses.
> > There is a famous book that uses the Lomelini as the
> main
> > characters in the book. I have own a copy of the book
> but I
> > lent it to my niece and she hasn't returned it
> yet. I
> > have not read it because she was visiting when it
> arrived
> > and immediately asked to borrow it.
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org on
> behalf
> > of Daniel M?ndez del Camino
> > Sent: Fri 2/20/2009 11:46 PM
> > To: Patty Hoyos
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thank You
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > wHAT INFO DO OU HAVE ON LUíS LOMELINI? I HAVE NEVER
> HEARD
> > OF HIM JUST CARLO. -tHANKS. dANIEL
> >
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My parents were divorced when I was 10 which resulted in my not
having a close relationship with my father and his relatives. My
mother and dad spent the first 6 months of their marriage on the
ranches of his Uncles in and around Guadalajara before returning to
the US for my birth. My father remarried and his new family visited
Tepatitlan several times. I never had the opportunity and would like
to know more about that half of me. I started this research to try
to connect to my roots in Tepa. I have been successful in finding
names of direct ancestors, but have not been able to trace them to
who and where they are today.

Linda Romero

> Researching: Barba, de la Torre, Franco, Gutierrez, Martin,
> Pena, Romero

Hello All I waondering where can I find or if anyone can do a lookup on the Flores de la Torre and Flores-Alatorre family! I want to know how Flores Alatorre changed from Flores de la Torre. Also, is it true the patriarch Juan López de Elizalde is "hijo legítimo de Miguel López de Elizalde y Leonor de Aberruza"? Many Thanks! -Daniel

To Richard R.--

My husband comes from the LOMELI/LOMELIN/ LOMELINI line. I have worked on part of the lines of Miguel HIDALGO, namely the ones that come from the GALLAGA part of the family. Would you please give some details on this brother of Carlos LOMELINI and how he fits into the Padre Miguel HIDALGO family tree? Many thanks.

Sincerely,
Patricia BURTON
San Diego, Ca.

--- On Sat, 2/21/09, Ricci, Richard wrote:

> From: Ricci, Richard
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thank You
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 2:18 PM
> My notes have him as Carlos' brother. He is also the
> ancestor of one of miguel Hidalgos lines. Miguel Hidalgo
> Costilla descends from both brothers. The Lomelin's from
> Puebla and Mexico City descend from Luis. Back then the
> records show lomelin. Before that it is Lomellini or
> lomelini. It wasn't until later that people started
> dropping the n. In Portugal the lomelin line added an o to
> make Lomelino. And the stories are true about one branch
> leaving Genoa , going to Spain and cornering the slave trade
> there. There rest of the family was into more legitimate
> businesses.
> There is a famous book that uses the Lomelini as the main
> characters in the book. I have own a copy of the book but I
> lent it to my niece and she hasn't returned it yet. I
> have not read it because she was visiting when it arrived
> and immediately asked to borrow it.
>
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>
> From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org on behalf
> of Daniel M?ndez del Camino
> Sent: Fri 2/20/2009 11:46 PM
> To: Patty Hoyos
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thank You
>
>
>
>
> wHAT INFO DO OU HAVE ON LUíS LOMELINI? I HAVE NEVER HEARD
> OF HIM JUST CARLO. -tHANKS. dANIEL
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