Nuestros Ranchos Site

Hello,

Is anyone doing any research in the Mazapil, Zacatecas area? Especially in the Estacion Camacho, Grunidora area.

Jonathan

Hello-

I am very excited to be part of the group and share my search with
others and hopefully help others in theirs.

I am researching my maternal line and the ancestor I am researching is:

Josepha Macias b. abt. 1820 and married 1847 to Jose Quirino Anaya in
La Encarnacion, Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco.

One of thier children was Maria Peregrina Anaya Macias b. 1854,
Jalisco, Tepatitlan de Moreles, Mexico

His second wife was named Francisca Macias b. 1837 La Encarnacion,
Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco.

I have lots of information on Francisca'a family and would be happy to
share it if anyone needs it.

Looking for any info on Josepha Macias.

Below are the additional names I am researching and care share information on:

Avellaneda, Garcia De Leon, Anaya Macias, Hermosillo, Gonzalez, Villansenor,

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/16780

Dear Maureen:

Tank You for your interest in our family investigation.
I want very much the copy of marriage of Teodoro Gutierrez
with Petra Jauregui, and all data about your Family and Teodoro-Petra
Family you can send me.
I don know if you have a Presentation certificate too or the Marriage
Information, I wil be glad to recibe that information too.

I found the Marriage Information about Teodoro-Petra in The Family
Search Web site in the IGI, but I do not have been able to see it,
and yes, it is in Jalostotitlan, see my information, the Church or
"Parroquia" in Jalos is named "Nuestra Señora de la Suncion", is the
first and older churh in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco, Mexico.

I do not know if you have the dead Certificate of Petra Jauregui too,
I have a approximate date, because the 2nd marriage of Teodoro
Gutierrez says that he was widower for 13 years in that date.

Please send me your e-mail and data, my e-mais is: vigotal@gmail.com

Greetings from Guadalajara, Jalisco:

Tomas Alejandro Villegas Gomez

Hola a todos, alguien me podría decir lo que significa la anotación de
“expuesto” que ponían en las fes de bautismo? Lo he encontrado en algunos
documentos de fines del siglo 17 a principios del 19. Gracias!

Hello all, can anyone tell me what the note “expuesto” (exposed) means in
the baptism records? I’ve recently found this word on some late 17th and
early 19th century records. Thanks!

Ricardo Rodriguez

Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco

Hi again Rick,

Just realized you are in El Valle -- so maybe email would be better - ha ha.
Hope to hear from you soon.

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If you want to share your DNA results and look for matches, you may publish them for free online in several databases. Here are a couple of examples:
For Y-DNA you may go to http://www.ysearch.org/
For mtDNA you may go to http://www.mitosearch.org/

Si quieren compartir sus resultados de ADN y buscar gente con coincidencias, pueden publicarlos gratuitamente en línea en diversas páginas. Estos son un par de ejemplos:
Para ADN de cromosoma Y: http://www.ysearch.org/
Para ADN mitocondrial: http://www.mitosearch.org/

VN

Thank-you for the information on the BYU Immigration Records site. I
checked it out, but did not have any luck with finding any records on my
ancestor, Pioquinta Gonzalez Figueroa.

Corrine Ardoin
Santa Maria, California

This is a reminder to the SoCal members that our meeting is scheduled for this coming Saturday at 10:00 AM. Please make an effort to attend. It is a good opportunity to meet fellow members and exchange information.
Some of the items you might consider bringing to the meeting are: Notebook, Laptop computer, if you have one, memory stick, whatever books and/or notes you would like to share with other members, any other items you might feel are appropriate.

Here is the address:

24017 Esmeralda Court
Wildomar, CA. 92595
Phone: 951-304-3082
1gnzlz@verizon.net

If you are not familiar with the area, I suggest you go to Mapquest.com, type in the address and get a copy of the map.
GoogleEarth.com is another good place to look up the location.

If you have any questions between today and Saturday, please e-mail me directly: 1gnzlz@verizon.net.

If you get lost, give me a call.

Thank you.
John Gonzalez.

On May 17, 2008, at 7:24 PM, JUANITA DELGADO wrote:

> This is for experts on DNA out there:
>
> I just had my mtDNA done. If my daughter had hers done, would the
> results be exactly the same?
> If my "ancient" mother was a Native American, is there a chance
> that through all those hundreds of years there would have been a
> EUROPEAN mother somewhere along the line
> Juanita

Hi Juanita,
Yes, your daughter should have the same mtDNA as you, your mother,
grandmother, etc. all the way back to your "ancient" mother. MtDNA
is passed down from mother's to all their children. The daughters
then pass it down to their children. (Men do not pass down mtDNA)
There is the possibility of slight differences due to mutation and
heteroplasmy, but that is for another discussion.

As for a "European mother somewhere along the line," it depends on
what line you are referring to. If you are referring to your mtDNA
female line, it will be the same all along the line. Remember, your
mtDNA does NOT include any male Y-DNA or it's influences. Also, the
mtDNA tested for genealogical purposes is not all your DNA. The
parts normally tested for genetic genealogy are the Hypervariable
Regions, sometimes called the Control Region in scientific papers.
That region is much shorter, has no genes, and mutates more frequently.

If you are referring to the possibility of a "European mother"
somewhere in your father's line, it would not show up in his Y-DNA.
If your father's mother were European his mtDNA would show her
European mtDNA, since men have both Y-DNA and mtDNA. But only your
mother's mtDNA would be passed down to you, not your father's mtDNA
(and therefore not his mother's mtDNA).

If you had your mtDNA tested with FamilyTreeDNA, join a group that
matches your results. Also join the Newbie DNA list at DNA-
NEWBIE@yahoogroups.com. There are very knowledgeable people who will
answer your questions on this list.

Linda

https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/atlas.html

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http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

Corrine, Arturo and all,

A few years ago I participated in extracting passport registers from Spain
for a project undertaken by Brigham Young University. An online, searchable
database was created for passports issued from 1790 onward. The link to the
website is:
http://immigrants.byu.edu/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabindex=4&tabid=19

Maria Cortez

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> Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 08:45:09 -0700 (PDT)
> From: arturoramos
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] PARES
> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
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> Corrine:
>
> You are correct that all of the records that used to be on AER are now
> accessible through PARES. The system is actually much more functional than
> the old one. What is the exact problem you are having?
>
> I think the search you are doing is not going to give you any results. The
> Casa de Contratacion only kept track of people migrating to the Americas
> through the 1700s. By the mid-1800s Mexico was an independent country and
> therefore Spanish authorities had no control over who could migrate there.
> I know that for later years there are immigration records at Archivo
> General de la Nacion (in Mexico City) which has some records online as well,
> but the mid-1800s may be a lacuna in terms of available immigration records.
>
>
>

just a test since I haven't seen anything I've sent in the last month posted.

Linda in Everett

Hi,
I have finally decided to start searching in AER, but I have found that it
seems to no longer exist. It appears that you now have to go through a
Portal, called PARES. This I know, because when I type in the site address
for AER, I automaticallly get sent to this new site. Using the translated
version of this site, I have attempted to search records, but without
getting anywhere. Does anyone know how to access the archives now? I am
very interested in finding the emigration of my ancestor, Pioquinta Gonzalez
Figueroa, from Spain to Mexico in the mid-1800's. This may have already
been a topic of discussion in Nuestros Ranchos, but until one is interested
in such things, they just get overlooked. I would greatly appreciate the
help.

Corrine Ardoin
Santa Maria, California

On May 18, 2008, at 9:35 PM, research-
request@lists.nuestrosranchos.org wrote:

> Hola Jorge ,haber si intiendo bien el libro que busco vas estar
> incluido en el libro que dices.
> Ronnie Reynoso pariente a casi todos de Los Altos> From:
> georgio_2386@hotmail.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date:
> Sat, 17 May 2008 11:56:27 -0500> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos]
> RETONOS DE NUEVA GALICIA> > > Hola Ronnie, aqu? en Tepatitl?n los
> venden los dos tomos, pero yo te comento que es mejor que te
> esperes a que editen el nuevo libro con todos sus tomos, ya que
> est? corregido y aumentado, pero es tu desici?n.> > No creo que
> tarde mucho en editar el nuevo libro pero sabe. La obra era de 177
> familias, pero ahora van a ser mas de 300 as? que creo que ser?a
> mejor esperar la nueva edici?n.Saludos.Jorge Luis Ram?rez G?mez.>
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Can I get a better interpretation than the one below from Google? I
really have a hard time trying to understand the Spanish emails, and
I believe the English emails are as hard to understand for Spanish
readers who use interpreting software.

Linda (Spanish challenged)

Hello George, have intiendo well if the book I'm looking for
'll be included in the book you say.
Ronnie Reynoso relative to nearly all of Los Altos>
From: georgio_2386@hotmail.com> To:
research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Sat, 17 May 2008
11:56:27 -0500> Subject: Re: [Our Ranches] Reton
Galician again>>> Hello Ronnie, here? in Tepatitl? n
sell two volumes, but I will say is that
better than you expect to edit the new book
all their volumes, as is? corrected and improved,
but it is your desici? n.>> I do not think that much in afternoon
edit the new book but he knows. The play was 177
families, but now will be over 300 as? I think
that be? better to wait for the new edition? n.Saludos.Jorge
Luis Ram? Rez G? Mez.>

Hola Todos no saben donde puedo comprar el libro Retonos de Nueva Galicia. Does any one know where I could buy the book Retonos de Nueva Galicia.
Thank you /gracias
Ronnie Reynoso
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Hey everyone,

I just recently wrapped up my law school finals for
the second year, so I have some time to catch up where
I left off. Specifically, I wanted to renew my
request for any information anyone may have on my
great great grandparents, Pedro Pineda/o and Pioquinta
Cardoza.

Their son is my great grandfather, Nicanor Pineda, who
married twice in Tlaltenango, according to marriage
records (for 1903 and 1914) I've found. It's from
these records that I was able to determine Nicanor's
parents' names. The problem is while these records
indicate that Nicanor Pineda was a "ciudadano" or
"originario de" Tlaltenango, I have not been able to
find a baptism record for Nicanor Pineda/o in
Tlaltenango in all these years.

Aside from my Pineda research research, I've largely
been successful, if anyone's interested, in tracking
down my Cantu, Ramirez, Hale, etc roots in Nuevo Leon
and Tamaulipas, and to some of the Spanish landgrant
families of South Texas.

Thanks,

Chris Pineda

For all you DNA newbies who tested and have questions, here is a link
to a free e-book titled "I Have The Results of My Genetic Genealogy
Test, Now What?"

It is an online book that may answer your questions.

Linda

>
> http://www.thegeneticgenealogist.com/2008/03/11/new-ebook-i-have-
> the-results-of-my-genetic-genealogy-test-now-what/
>

Below is my email to the Diocese of Phoenix and a reply.

What should we try next?

Veronica

----- Original Message -----
From: Diskin, Rev. Michael
To: vrahorn@wydebeam.com
Sent: 12 May, 2008 10:39
Subject: FW: Mormon's Access to Catholic Records Blocked

Dear Ms. Rahom,

While there may be many sincere people who can benefit from the genealogical records that are compiled by members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, some members of that denomination have misused those records to engage in the practice of baptizing the dead. Since this practice is grossly inappropriate and insulting to Catholics, Dioceses around the world have been directed to prohibit the copying of sacramental records.

Yours in Christ,

Rev. Michael L. Diskin

Assistant Chancellor

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From: Veronica Rahorn [mailto:vrahorn@wydebeam.com]
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 4:46 PM
To: Contact-Us
Subject: Mormon's Access to Catholic Records Blocked

Bishop Olmstead,

I recently heard about the Vatican's request to block the Mormon church's access to Catholic records because of their practice of baptizing the dead. This is the link to the article: http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0802443.htm.

I am writing to you because the article states that soon the Catholic and Mormon churches will be sitting down and having a dialogue. I would like to get word up the Catholic chain of command that it is extremely important to many of us that the Mormon church has access to those records. This is purely for genealogical reasons.

I belong to a group of Hispanics (Mexican-American and Mexican citizens) who are researching their roots in the Jalisco, Zacatecas and Aguascalientes areas of Mexico. We find it beneficial to be able to go to the nearest Mormon Genealogy Library to get access to those records. Unfortunately, the Catholic Church doesn't have anything remotely close to this service and many of us have run into dead ends when we try to speak with the local parish priests.

I respectfully ask for assistance in making sure that this valuable link to our past is not cut off.

Thank you so much for reading this,

Veronica Vidaure Rahorn

P.S. If you would like to know more about the group I belong to, this is our website: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/.

Hola Compañeros del grupo de siscusion Genealogica.

Quisiera saber si alguien de ustedes tiene el dato de quienes
son los padres o ancestros de la pareja formada por Manuel
de la Helgera casado con Ana Fernandez de Palos, ellos casaron
el 13- Jul-1732 en Nuestra Señora de la Asuncion, Jalostotitlan,
Jalisco, Mexico y tengo 2 hijos registrados de este matrimonio:
1.- Juana Michaela Nacida Aprox. en 1734 en Teocaltiche, Jal. y
2.- Jose Maria nacido en Oct-1746 en Teocaltiche, Jal.

Agradesco de antemano cualquier ayuda.

--
Saludos desde Guadalajara:

Tomas Alejandro Villegas Gomez

Hola a todos. ¿Cómo están?

Mi nombre es Ricardo Chávez Ruiz Esparza, nací en Aguascalientes, Ags, hace 30 años y he estado investigando esporádicamente desde hace un año la genealogía de mis apellidos (Chávez, Ruiz Esparza), así como los apellidos maternos de mis padres (Estevané, Castillo).

De esos cuatro apellidos al que más me he enfocado es al Ruiz Esparza, logrando encontrar doce generaciones anteriores hasta llegar al patriarca de ese apellido, es decir Lope Ruiz de Esparza Diez de Eguinoa, y por consiguiente a otras tres generaciones previas con base en datos que públicamente se han proporcionado en esta página por Bill Figueroa.

Con respecto a la familia Chávez he llegado a siete generaciones pasadas hasta Cristobal Chávez quien se casó con Gertrudis Díaz de León, aproximadamente a finales del siglo XVIII o inicios del siglo XIX en Aguascalientes.

Sobre la familia Estevané, he avanzado menos (5 generaciones anteriores) hasta Jesús Estevané, quien se casó con Pascuala García, padres de Santiago Estevané García quien nació aproximadamente en 1856 en San Miguel del Mezquital, Zacatecas (hoy Miguel Auza, Zacatecas)

Finalmente en el caso de la familia Castillo he llegado también a 5 generaciones anteriores hasta José Castillo, padre de J. Carmen Castillo Medellín, aunque al parecer ese apellido era en realidad García del Castillo. Ellos fueron de Zacatecas. El último dato que tengo concreto es del bautizo de José Genaro Castillo Quintero, nacido en 1886 en Guadalupe, Zacatecas. En esta rama igualmente me he interesado por el apellido Araiza que fue el segundo apellido de mi abuela materna.

Toda esta información la pueden encontrar en el siguiente enlace:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/16022

Agradeciendo la atención al presente mensaje, quedo en comunicación con ustedes para seguir intercambiando datos y comentarios.

Atentamente, Ricardo.

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Jorge Luis,

En vuestra busca de datos adicionales respecto al matrimonio indicado
podeis leer los siguientes microfilmes en el Centro de Historia Familiar
que os sea mas cercano/conveniente:

El Rollo #0443969 incluye el matrimonio entre Vicente Ferrel de Raygoza e
Yssabel Venedicta de la Paz, conducido el 10 de Febrero 1757.

El Rollo #0443802 incluye el bautismo de Vicente Rafael Raigosa Miramentes
(que parece ser el mismo que el citado esposo), conducido en Tlaltanengo el
25 de Abril 1725. Los padres de este bautizado fueron Agustin de Raigosa y
Maria de Miramontes.

El Rollo # 0299427 incluye el bautismo de Isabel Benedicta Paz Luera (que
parece ser la misma que la citada esposa), conducido en Aguascalientes,
Aguascalientes, el 5 de Agosto de 1737. Los padres de esta infante fueron
Antonio de la Paz y Anna de Luera.

Si deseais rastrear por mas informacion acerca de estos sitios y
acontecimientos os refiero a los "batch" numeros M607141, J600894, y
C604767 en www.familysearch.org

Saludos y buena suerte en vuestras investigaciones.

Efrain Conrique
San Diego, California

> [Original Message]
> From: Jorge Luis Ram

Hola Eddie ,como esta ? Ojala que bien. Primero halle Diegp Gonzalez de
Hermosillo y Maria Rubio yendo para www.familysearch.org buscando Francisco
Gutierrez Rubio nacimiento,donde salio el y Ana Gonzalez Florida.Chansa que
esa informacion esta mal ,tambien esta en batch#F868025.
Bueno Mi Familia Reynoso eran de San Julian pero su rancho partenese a San
MIguel el Alto. Mi antepasado era Francisco Reynoso casado con Maria Padilla
Davilla.Los Hijos : eran Francisco Reynoso casado con Josefa Renteria,eran
mis antepasados. Eu hermano Diego Reynoso casado con Margarita
Renteria.Despues o sea con tiempo Los Reynosos Fueron a Jalostotitlan ,y
Zacatecas.Mi
mama se apellide Hermosillo . No se mucho de la historia oral de mi abuelo
porque era huerfano, pero con las actas y el autor Jose Luis Vazquez halle
hasta un Vicente Hermosillo casado con Maria Ynez de La Trinidad Martin de
Padilla,que veneciendo Martin del Campo Padilla Davila.Maria Ynez de La
trinidad nacio 05-05-1726 en San Juan de los Lagos.
Eddie ,yo creo que casi todos apellidos de Los Altos Y mas:
Reynoso,Padilla,Perez,Magana ,
Centeno,Alderete,Portillo,Anaya,Escoto,Moreno,Gutierrez(de todas clases)
Garcia (de Hermosillo,Gonzalez(de
Hermosillo)Benavides,Lomellini,Marquez,Gomez(de Mendoza)
Munoz de La Barba,Tiscareno,Ruiz de Esparza,Romo de Vivar,Lozano,De La
Torre,Ledesma, Martin del campo,Hernandez,Sanchez, y Mas.
Yo creo soy pariente a todos de Los Altos poquito de Aguascaliente y
Zacatecas.
Bueno eddie espero tu repuesta
tu primo 1000 veces ypariente acasi todos de Los Altos.-
Ronnie Reynoso

As far as the Catholic Church records that many of us research, they are
records of religious Sacraments plain and simple (Baptism, Confirmation,
Marriage, Death--last rites) received by individuals, and were not
government or civil records--these came later. Even the Census records
I have run across, list whether the individual received Communion. Lets
remember that such records of sacraments be kept was mandated by the
Catholic Church and not the crown therefore these were not government
records. Our ancestors went to the Catholic Church to receive their
Sacraments. When our ancestors had their children baptized, it was
because they wanted them to be members of the Catholic community. When
a priest was called for a dying person, it was to receive his/her last
rites.
Although Jose Carlos made his comment in a tongue and cheek
manner, it does turn things around, and make a rational person think.

"With "tongue in cheek", maybe the Pope could retaliate by re-baptising
the dead Mormons to Catholicism?"
Jose Carlos de Leon

How would LDS members feel if their religious records were used this
way? Would they perceive this act as disrespectful of their beliefs or
their ancestor's beliefs?

I do not take these re-baptisms to heart. My ancestors knew what they
wanted-- I, like Felix had very devout Catholics as my ancestors:
several priests, a saint, nuns, Church builders, etc., My earthly
family is too.

I am very appreciative that the LDS Church has preserved these records,
and made them available to me as a Non-Member--regardless of what
motivated the LDS Church. If it were not for their doing, I never would
have been able to access as much information as I have, nor gotten so
far in my research. Some of these records have given me a wealth of
information. I have discovered that an ancestor couple of mine had a
hand in building one of the Catholic Churches in my folk's hometown.
When I walk into a Family History Library, I always remember that I am
guest and behave as one. I would never disrespect their beliefs
although I've heard individuals unknowingly bash mine.

The Pope as the earthly leader of the Catholic Church has a right to
stop making records of Catholic Sacraments available to non-members or
non-relatives. He has not stepped away from his role as religious
leader. He is protecting religious records of individuals who have
come to the Church for spiritual guidance, membership, etc.,
I personally would not want records of my baptism, confirmation,
marriage, etc., to be used in this manner in the future for re-baptism.
Not that I wouldn't know how to respond :)

I believe that we have much microfilm to research in order to get a good
grasp on who our ancestors were and how they lived.

Irma

Hola Todos, how is everybody doing ? Fine I hope. My I tried to contact Guillermo Padilla Origel about his article in www.somosprimos.com concerning Los Padilla Davila in the July 2004 issue ,but his e-mail was no good. My ancestors are Juan Padilla married to Petrona de Siordia en feb 14 in 1616 in Aguascalientes. I was trying to figure out who were Juan Padilla 's ancestors. I was confused in the way Guillermo Padilla Origel set it up. I'm just really slow and confused,what makes it worse in Jose Luis Vazquez's book GENEALOGIA DE NOCHISTLAN,page 191 he states Juan Padilla (y Delgadillo).
If anyone can clear my confusion , I appreciate it.
Ronnie Reynoso-pariente a casi todos de Los Altos
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Veronica,

Even as a somewhat impulsive bibliophile, I find the decision of buying a
specialty book to be highly personal with different motivations for each.

So, as to this book, let me just make a few comments for your
consideration::

It had a limited printing and is out-of-print and, therefore, not that
easy to obtain.
If you were to find an available copy, it may cost about $160 dollars to
purchase.
The book is the product and result of massive effort by its author. An
impressively comprehensive compilation of its 3-centuries subject
matter.Probably mandatory for the reference library of any professional
genealogist specializing in Nueva Galicia.
But, out of the 2 to 3 thousand ecclessiastical 'dispensations' and
'appeals' covered by this encyclopedic opus, a person doing research
limited to his/her family might only find a very few (at best, probably no
more than about a dozen entries) applicable to him/her.
Such a limited-use person would be best served by consulting the book at
some library, or asking a member of this forum with access to a copy to do
a courtesy "look-up."

If you fall in this latter category, and tell us where you live, I may be
able to suggest a location where you could read or borrow a copy for you to
peruse.

Saludos

Efrain

> [Original Message]
> From: Veronica Rahorn
> To:
> Date: 5/10/2008 4:50:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luz Montejano's book: Hermosillo
>
> Efrain and Connie,
> Would you recommend that we buy this book?
>
> Veronica Vidaure Rahorn
>
>