Condado de Miravalle y su filacion de la Nueva Galicia

Estimados señores:

En mis estudios sobre el condado de Miravalle me fijé que la familia Dávalos y Bracamontes que posteriormente enlazaron con la familia Trebuesto y Dávalos son descendientes de los Híjar Bracamonte de la Nueva Galicia.

Tengo al primer conde de Miravalle, Alonso o Ildefonso de Ávalos y Bracamontes e Híjar quien sospecho pero no he comprobado hijo de Alonso de Híjar y Bracamonte; y Catalina de Híjar Orendáin y Espinosa de los Monteros quien seguramente es su consanguínea, dichas familias tuvieron sus solares y principios en la Nueva Galicia.
He encontrado varios fuentes, incluyo la obra Las familias más antiguas de México de Ortega y Pérez-Gallardo en la pág. 167 donde menciona en sus anotaciones que “Eran descendientes de don Alvaro de Bracamontes y de doña Francisca Arias, su esposa; siendo ésta doña Francisca una de las hijas de doña Leonor Arias y del capitán Pedro Ruiz de Haro, conquistador y poblador del estado de Jalisco y de la nobilísima famiia de Guzmán.”

Regreso al primer conde, Dávalos y Bracamontes, no sé porque cambio DE ÁVALOS y posteriormente eran Dávalos y Bracamontes, pero este apellido fue componido cuando contrajo matrimonio los señores Juan de Ávalos y Juana de Hijar Bracamontes a los principios del siglo XVII, quienes establecion su familia en la Guadalajara.
Les pregunto si alguien tiene más información a cuanto la filación de los Dávalos Bracamontes de la ciudad de México con los Avalos Bracamontes de Guadalajara?

Como siempre gracias antemano,

Daniel Méndez-Camino

Juana Sanchez de Lara

Hello,

I'm looking for information on Juana Sanchez de Lara wife of Bernardo de Castro y Olmos. According with Mariano Leal (Retonos tomo VII), she was the daughter of Francisco Sanchez de Lara and Maria de Alvarado, unfortunately the author doesn't offer a source to be able to confirm this link. Juana was born between 1620-1640 likely in Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco.
Any information would be greatly appreciated

thanks

susana L

Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz (JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)

Thanks. I wish I had jotted down sources and other bits of info that I encountered when I first started researching.
I have a diego vargas machuca married to a maria ramirez de hermosillo in about 1684 that a daughter named rosA francisco vargas machuca ( died 21jul 1751). Rosa married diego gonz rubio in 1708.
Sor juanas maternal grandparents I have listed as pedro ramirez de sAntillana and beatriz ramirez rendon. Isabel was born about 1627 and died in 1688.
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I have the same information as Armando courtesy of the Octavio Paz book, Sor Juana, pg. 64-65. Father of Sor Juana: Pedro Manuel De Asbaje y Vargas, "a Basque...and nothing else known about him." The father is an enigma and a source of great speculation by Octavio Paz with respect to the character of Sor Juana, as I recall. The "criolla" mother: Dona Isabel Ramirez de Santillana. The origins of Isabel per Paz agree with Armando.

I don't recall any reference to Los Altos and Sor Juana. I took a quick look at the Paz book again and I see no references to that area but I could be wrong. There is nothing in the index.

Ed

indios tepostli de Jocotepec, Jalisco

While reading through entries in Jalisco, 1700-1750's, mostly from Jocotepec, I came across references to individuals who were indios tepostli / telpostle / tepustli, a word new to me. I assume they were nahua people? Can anyone on the forum tell me the correct designation, or share any information about them with us? Thank you.

Gloria Delgado

Ramos from Mascota, Jalisco

Hello, this is my 1st post. Does anyone know or have any Ramos surnames from Mascota, Jalisco in their lines? My 3rd Great Grandfather was Sebastian Ramos who married Maria Nabor Orosco from Arandas. Sebastian's father was Cristobol Ramos who was married to Maria Cenobia Tobar from San Miguel de Allende, Guanajuato. I cannot locate anything past Cristobol Ramos. I am estimating his birth to be around 1805.

Nueva información de la hipótesis de Francisco Muñoz de la Barba por Jorge Barba Gomez

Buena dia,

Jorge Barba Gomez, autor del libro "Con el nombre...de la Barba", sacara pronto su segunda edición del dicho libro, en el presentara su hipótesis fundada anteriormente en la primera edición sobre quienes fueron los probables padres y abuelos de Francisco Muñoz de la Barba el genearca de este apellido compuesto, esta vez acompañada de mas datos que la reforzaran y que en mi opinion, resulta muy interesante y muy posible.

Les anexo, el documento que me envió para distribuirlo entre la comunidad. esperando que les sirva y poder compartir comentarios.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1UZMdAxT31hiv0aCcGPYB26zG5bWxyALR

Saludos.

Melchor de Richarte and Thomasa de Guzman y Prado

Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

I'm trying to see if anyone has any information on capitan Melchor de
Richarte and María Tomasa de Guzmán y Prado. They both would've been born
probably in the 1680s. and they were married Jan 20th 1723. Their marriage
record and informacion matrimonial both do not name the parents. Does
anyone know anything about them?

Danny C. Alonso

Lugar, o lugares más indicados para buscar testamentos de gente que vivió en Juchipila

Soy descendiente de Alonso Velasco y de Ana Flores de la Torre, los dos residentes en Juchipila. Alonso Velasco heredó a su hijo, Bernabe Velasco, tierras en el lugar que era en aquel entonces llamado Valle de Huejucar/Huejucar/Guajucar/Guejucar y que ahora se le llama Calvillo en el Estado de Aguascalientes. Me interesa mucho encontrar el testamento de Bernabe Velasco y los testamentos de sus herederos también. He consultado el acervo histórico digital de Aguascalientes y no hay información sobre Bernabe Velasco. Podría alguien orientarme sobre el lugar en donde probablemente podría encontrar la información que necesito?

Lorenza de Oballe Liebana cc Diego Magdaleno, Juan Asencio de Leon cc Geronima de Liebana, et al

Hola prim@s,

I was reading through the IM of Geronimo Magdaleno and Rosa de Figueroa San Anton, 4 Oct 1690, Tangancicuaro, Mich. Geronimo Magdaleno was son of Tomas Magdaleno and Juana Chavez, and Rosa de Figueroa was daughter of Joseph Figueroa San Anton and Juana de Torres.

According to testimonies, there was concern that there might be an impediment: that Tomas Magdaleno and Joseph de Figueroa, fathers of the groom and bride, were cousins. Joseph Figueroa had told Geronimo Magdaleno that his father was the sibling of the great-grandfather of Tomas Magdaleno. Tomas Magdaleno was son of Diego Magdaleno cc Lorenza de Ovalle Liebana, and Joseph de Figueroa was son of Pedro de San Anton Figueroa cc Geronima de Liebana, so the relationship was probably through Lorenza and Geronima. Several witnesses were brought in, but no one knew what the exact relationship was, only that they always called each other “primo” and treated each other as such. In the end, it was decided that the relationship was too distant, and that a dispensa wasn’t necessary.

But of super interest, are the witnesses that Tomas Magdaleno presents: Tomas de Bejar 60, Juan de Bejar 58, and Francisco de Bejar 54. All three recognize that they are primos hermanos of Tomas Magdaleno. The Bejar boys were sons of Gregorio de Bejar y Sandoval and Maria de Liebana. The relationship is obviously through Lorenza de Ovalle Liebana and Maria de Liebana, establishing them as sisters.

From various dispensations, we know that Maria de Liebana was sister of (please correct me if I’m wrong):
- Agustin Maciel cc Ynes Rodriguez de Morfin
- Juan Asencio de Leon cc Maria de Lomelin

When her son, Gregorio de Bejar, was witness on the IM of Francisco Gomez de Lara and Juana de Liebana, daughter of Alvaro Maciel cc Ysabel de Orozco, he said that he was primo hermano de Juana, and that that Alvaro Maciel was his uncle. Alvaro Maciel was the son of Juan Asencio de Leon cc Geronima de Liebana.

All of this would imply that Lorenza de Oballe y Liebana cc Diego Magdaleno was also a daughter of Juan Asencio de Leon cc Geronima de Liebana.

As it stands, and please correct me if I’m wrong, the children of Juan Asencio de Leon cc Geronima de Liebana are:

- Agustin Maciel cc Ynes Rodriguez de Morfin
- Nicolas Maciel cc Geronima de Ayala y de la Cueva (possibly Beatriz de Vargas y Ulloa en 2o?)
- Lorenza de Oballe Liebana cc Diego Magdaleno
- Alvaro Maciel cc Ysabel de Orozco y Zamora y del Castillo
- Maria de Liebana cc Gregorio de Bejar y Sandoval
- Juan Asencio de Leon cc Maria de Lomelin
- Geronima de Liebana cc Tomas Hernandez Gamiño
- Josepha Asencio de Leon cc Joseph Tello y Orozco
- Anna de Liebana cc Nicolas de Murguia
- Nicolasa de Liebana cc Juan Basilio Ruiz de Velasco
- Pedro Asencio de Leon Blancarte cc Anna de Zamora y Ontiveros

Some of that is from baptism and marriage records, as well as from dispensas for descendants. That’s a lot of children, and covering almost 3 decades, from what I can tell from their individual timelines and known baptism dates!

And now, from the Geronimo Magdaleno cc Rosa de Figueroa IM, we know that Geronima de Liebana cc Juan Asencio de Leon is somehow related to Geronima de Liebana cc Pedro de San Anton Figueroa, who from other records, we know is sister of Maria de Liebana aka Maria de Tapia cc Antonio Jimenez Calderon (my guess is these two are daughters of Juan de Tapia and Geronima de Liebana. Anybody?). According to Joseph Figueroa, the relationship would more or less look like this:

???????????????-1-Geronima de Liebana
Geronima de Liebana-2-Joseph de Figueroa
Lorenza de Oballe-3-Rosa Maria de Figueroa
Tomas Magdaleno-4
Geronimo Magdaleno-5

Possibly, Juan de Tapia and Geronima de Liebana are the tronco of that tree. Anybody?

My brain hurts.
Manny Díez Hermosillo

PS The Geronimo Magdaleno cc Rosa de Figueroa is scattered throughout the film roll, but it’s mapped out on the Valladolid Dispensas website (which I didn’t discover until later!! But great work, y’all!).

Searching for Gonzalez Loza Family Information (Canadas de Obregon)

Hello,
I am looking for information on my Gonzalez/Loza family from Canadas de Obregon. My great grandparents are Francisco "Pancho Bigotes" Gonzalez Gama and Juana Loza Aguayo. They had 5 children together; Eduviges, Manuel, twins Agapito & Guadalupe, and Santos Gonzalez. They lived in Rancho El Cerro Viejo in 1930 and might have lived in Rancho El Pandito. I am also wondering if anyone knows how to research criminal records or newspaper records (if any at that time) from that area.

I have not been able to find any close related relatives that might still be in that area nor have I been able to find any traces or documents for some relatives after the 1940's. I would really appreciate any help! Thank you.

Introduction

Hello Primos/Saludos Primos!

My name is Daniel Serna Valencia. I live out in California. On my mother's, our roots run deep into Jalisco.Here are the towns and surnames I'm researching:

Valencia - Ameca, Acatlan de Juarez, Jocotepec, Teocuitatlan de Corona, Hacienda de Huejotitan (Jocotepec), Sahuayo, Cotija
Alcaraz/Oceguera/Flores de Estrada/Macias-Valadez - Poncitlan,, La Barca, Ocotlan, Jiquilpan, Sahuayo, Ixtlan, Hacienda de la Palma, Cotija
Mercado - Cuquio, Yahualica, Fresnillo
Ponce/Güitron - Talpa, Tenamaxtlan, Guachinango, Mascota, Hacienda de San Cristobal (Tenamaxtlan)
Aguirre/Navarette/de las Casas/de la Dueña - Real de San Sebastián, Hostotipaquillo, Real de la Resurrecion
Curiel - Talpa, Cuale, Mascota
Portillo - Guachinango, Mixtlan

On my wife's side I'm tracing the following:

de la Cueva/ Gutierrez/ Castañeda/ Coria/Ochoa-Garibai/ Jimenez - Tamazula, Zamora, Jiquilpan, Tlazazalca

If you share any of those last names and in the towns I mentioned, please let me know. I've made good progress on my Valencia and Alcaraz/Oceguera lines that I could discuss.

Best,

Daniel Serna Valencia

Francisco Antonio Gallaga Mandarte y Villaseñor(Juan de San Pedro Gallaga & Joaquina de Villaseñor)

Good day.

I am Sandra Garza Aceves, a new member. I am grateful for the opportunity to join the forum. It immensely helpful in my investigation and I am eager to learn more.

I am currently investigating. Francisco Antonio Gallaga, son of Juan de San Pedro Gallaga and Joaquina de Villaseñor and María Inés de la Torre, daughter of Cristóbal de la Torre and María Margarita de Aceves. Kindly find the link to the marriage record below(Tepatitlán, 1764).

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-KMS6-D6?i=347&wc=3J8D-…

I have several questions. Is this Francisco Antonio the brother of Doña Ana María Gallaga Mandarte y Villasenor? I may be incorrect, yet I thought she was an only child.

Did María Inés de la Torre also use the name María de Jesús? Could she be the mother of Gertrudis Gallaga, born in 1769 in Tepatitlán
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-VRCL-8?i=81&wc=3JZD-PT…)?

I would greatly appreciate any direction you could provide.

Un cordial saludo
Sandra Garza Aceves

La Villa de Zamora - Origins of the last name Martin de Liebano

Hello forum.

In searching for the origin of the last name Martin de Liebano - seen in many records in la villa de Zamora over the entire XVIII century - I found that the parents of the earliest Martin de Liebano are Juan Martin Barragan (Priest, b.1627-d.1694) and Tomasina de Liebano (d.1678. The widow of Luis del Rio, the daughter of Agustin Maciel and the granddaughter of Juan Maciel and Ana de Liebano).

Any help in confirming/denying this assertion is appreciated.

I.-Tomasina de Liebano - The mother of the Martin de Libanos

One of the earliest Martin de Liebano is Jose. Jose married his first cousin Maria Arias Maldonado.

1.1 - Jose and Maria marriage dispensation

Jose says that his illegitime (natural) father Juan Martin de Barragan was the brother of the deceased regidor Nicolas Martin Barragan and Nicolas was the father of Maria.

The 2nd. witness (Mateo Marquez de la Mora) says he knows that Jose is the son of the deceased Tomasina de Liebano and that jose was born when Tomasina was already a widow.

Tomasina was buried 17 May 1678. The record states she was single and that she was the widow of Luis del Rio.

Jose was christened 23 Apr 1665. Oddly, the record only says "hijo de Tomasina de Liebano", without the usual "y de padre no conocido".

Two more marriage dispensations identifying Tomasina de Liebano:

1.2 - Jose Martin de Liebano (Tomasina's grandson) and Maria Ana de la Serna

                                      Family tree

                  Agustin Maciel - 1 - Maria Maciel + [ Gregorio de Bejar ]
                         Tomasina - 2 - Cristobal de Bejar
Agustin Martin de Liebano - 3 - Teresa de Bejar
     Jose Martin de Liebano - 4 - Mariana de la Serna

1.3 - Francisco del Rio Montesinos (Tomasina's grandson) and Josefa Hurtado de Riofrio

                                     Family tree

                         Tomasina - 2 - Cristobal de Bejar
                       Luis del Rio - 3 - Juana de Bejar
               Francisco del Rio - 4 - Josefa Hurtado de Riofrio

Besides Jose and Agustin Martin de Liebano (Tomasina's children above), there were two more Martin de Liebano siblings, they were Juan and Leonor Martin de Liebano. They are listed in this marriage dispensation:

1.4 - Jose Rafael de Arceo and Mariana Ramirez

                                     Family tree

   Juan Martin de Liebano - 1 - Leonor Martin de Liebano
                           Tomasa - 2 - Diego Arceo
                Teresa Davalos - 3 - Miguel de Arceo
              Mariana Ramirez - 4 - Jose Rafael de Arceo

Leonor married Miguel de Arceo 30 Apr 1670. She is listed as an orphan of (the house of) Ursula de la Huerta. Her son Diego married Maria Lopez de Ortega, Diego and Maria were 3rd. cousins.

1.5 - Diego and Maria mariage dispensation

                                     Family tree

   Alonso Martin Barragan - 1 - Juan Martin Barragan
        Ines (de Arciniega *) - 2 - Juan Martin
                   Ines Navarro - 3 - Leonor
                    Maria Lopez - 4 - Diego de Arceo

* (Ines de Arciniega married Manuel Navarro Gaitan 29 May 1667)

II - Juan Martin Barragan - The father of the Martin de Liebanos

La Villa de Zamora - Origins of the last name Martin de Liebano

Hello forum.

In searching for the origin of the last name Martin de Liebano - seen in many records in la villa de Zamora over the entire XVIII century - I found that the parents of the earliest Martin de Liebano are Juan Martin Barragan (Priest, b.1627-d.1694) and Tomasina de Liebano (d.1678. The widow of Luis del Rio, the daughter of Agustin Maciel and the granddaughter of Juan Maciel and Ana de Liebano).

Any help in confirming/denying this assertion is appreciated.

I.-Tomasina de Liebano - The mother of the Martin de Libanos

One of the earliest Martin de Liebano is Jose. Jose married his first cousin Maria Arias Maldonado.

1.1 - Jose and Maria marriage dispensation

Jose says that his illegitime (natural) father Juan Martin de Barragan was the brother of the deceased regidor Nicolas Martin Barragan and Nicolas was the father of Maria.

The 2nd. witness (Mateo Marquez de la Mora) says he knows that Jose is the son of the deceased Tomasina de Liebano and that jose was born when Tomasina was already a widow.

Tomasina was buried 17 May 1678. The record states she was single and that she was the widow of Luis del Rio.

Jose was christened 23 Apr 1665. Oddly, the record only says "hijo de Tomasina de Liebano", without the usual "y de padre no conocido".

Two more marriage dispensations identifying Tomasina de Liebano:

1.2 - Jose Martin de Liebano (Tomasina's grandson) and Maria Ana de la Serna

                                      Family tree

                  Agustin Maciel - 1 - Maria Maciel + [ Gregorio de Bejar ]
                         Tomasina - 2 - Cristobal de Bejar
Agustin Martin de Liebano - 3 - Teresa de Bejar
     Jose Martin de Liebano - 4 - Mariana de la Serna

1.3 - Francisco del Rio Montesinos (Tomasina's grandson) and Josefa Hurtado de Riofrio

                                     Family tree

                         Tomasina - 2 - Cristobal de Bejar
                       Luis del Rio - 3 - Juana de Bejar
               Francisco del Rio - 4 - Josefa Hurtado de Riofrio

Besides Jose and Agustin Martin de Liebano (Tomasina's children above), there were two more Martin de Liebano siblings, they were Juan and Leonor Martin de Liebano. They are listed in this marriage dispensation:

1.4 - Jose Rafael de Arceo and Mariana Ramirez

                                     Family tree

   Juan Martin de Liebano - 1 - Leonor Martin de Liebano
                           Tomasa - 2 - Diego Arceo
                Teresa Davalos - 3 - Miguel de Arceo
              Mariana Ramirez - 4 - Jose Rafael de Arceo

Leonor married Miguel de Arceo 30 Apr 1670. She is listed as an orphan of (the house of) Ursula de la Huerta. Her son Diego married Maria Lopez de Ortega, Diego and Maria were 3rd. cousins.

1.5 - Diego and Maria mariage dispensation

                                     Family tree

   Alonso Martin Barragan - 1 - Juan Martin Barragan
        Ines (de Arciniega *) - 2 - Juan Martin
                   Ines Navarro - 3 - Leonor
                    Maria Lopez - 4 - Diego de Arceo

* (Ines de Arciniega married Manuel Navarro Gaitan 29 May 1667)

II - Juan Martin Barragan - The father of the Martin de Liebanos

Padre de Pila versus Padrino

Greetings,

I know the following record is not from the area that we discuss on the forum but I still have a general question for the group.

In the baptismal record for Antonia Rosa (c. 24 Feb 1788) it states: "Fueron sus Padrinos que la tubieron de Pila Juan . . ."

I am aware that "padre de pila" means godfather/godparents, but I was wondering if any of you knew of any other meaning for it. I just find it repetitive that the record would state that "X's godparents were so and so who were the godparents."

Many thanks!

P.S. Also any help deciphering the godfather's middle name would be appreciated.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9DX-D9PR?i=133&cc=234…

Salinas

HOla,

Estoy buscando cualquier informacion acerca de la familia SALINAS procedente "de la cienega". Luis Salinas se caso en Colotlan en 1687 (con Catharina Viana); pero el documento no incluye el nombre de sus padres. El documento dice que venia de la "cienega".

Cualquier informacion sobre "la cienega" (me imagino que Jalisco)
o la familia Salinas de esta zona

Gracias de antemano

susana L

de Viana

Hola,
Estoy buscando cualquier informacion acerca de la familia de FRANCISCO DE VIANA Y ISABEL GARCIA. Lo unico que se es que vivian en TOTATICHE, JALISCO. y que su hija Cathalina de Viana se caso en Colotlan en 1687 (con Luis Salinas).

Cualquier informacion sobre la familia Viana de esta zona la agradeceria mucho

saludos

susana L

Pedro Gomez Garci Velasco

Hola a todos,
Quería saber si ustedes tienen el dato de esta información que aparece en uno arbol de GENI respecto a este personaje del que ya se ha abordado hace años

https://www.geni.com/people/Pedro/6000000010181432509

ESTA ES LA IMAGEN https://photos.geni.com/p13/4e/e7/03/59/5344484f7b065fd4/f0e4882f-58d1-…

La dicha imagen hace referencia a un documento donde se asienta a los padres y a abuelo paternos, parece ser de PARES por las marcas de agua, pero ya he buscado y rebuscado y no encuentro nada.

The Cathe4dral del Senor del Santo Sepulcro

Can someone point me in the right direction?

I'm helping a friend research his family. However, he seem to find no records for the following cathedral in Mexico City...The Cathedral del Senor del Santo Sepulcro. Is there a way to search Familysearch.org by church? Is there another resource I can utilize? Thankyou in advance.

marty puentes

Sources for Old Books

Hello everyone,

I would like to hear your thoughts from those of you whose research has taken them beyond Zacatecas and Jalisco and into Spain. I am currently researching a couple of ancestor families, Velasco and Alvarez de Asturias, and exhausted PARES research. I came across what appear to be old manuscripts written from 1695 to late 1700’s. These books have a wealth of information in regards to family trees, but they sometimes contradict each other. For example, there may be entire generations mentioned in one book and not the other. Or the parent of the same individual is completely different from one text to the other. I don’t expect you guys to read the entire chapters because there is just too much info and difficult to follow without putting in time.

I guess my only question, how reliable are these old manuscripts as a source of information and research?

Here are some of the links to these books.

Regarding Velasco Family (Example: Dia Sanchez de Velasco missing in one text and not the other)
Pages- After page 481

https://books.google.com/books?id=V8wWAAAAQAAJ&pg=RA1-PR1&lpg=RA1-PR1&d…

Pages- 597

https://books.google.com/books?id=i-FDAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA597&lpg=PA597&dq=In…

Pages- 322

https://books.google.com/books?id=1utDAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA322&lpg=PA322&dq=Mo…

Regarding: Alvarez de Asturias (Example:Parent of Don Ordoño is Fruela II in one text and Don Ramiro II in another)
Pages- 279

https://books.google.com/books?id=63gazWSJHL0C&pg=PA279&lpg=PA279&dq=or…

Pages- 50-53

https://books.google.com/books?id=xypddg8RrUAC&pg=PA51&lpg=PA51&dq=cond…

Thanks for reading,
Ruben R

Assistance with reading parents names Re Francisco Suarez de Ibarra

Could a forum member please help me read the parents names of Francisco Suarez de Ibarra. The names are about halfway down the first page. I can make out the mother "Juana Suarez" but I cannot read the father's name. Thank you!

http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas/servlets/ImageServlet?accion=41&txt_…