Nuestros Ranchos Site

We descend from Dr Geronimo de Orozco and Beatriz Tello de Lomas (Sandoval). I cam across an interesting article called Jewish Presence in Los Altos de Jalisco. You can read it here:

https://diariojudio.com/opinion/presencia-judia-en-los-altos-de-jalisco…

It names the Tello de Orozco clan (among many others) and implicitly refers to them as though they would have been of Jewish descent. Does anyone have any documentation or family history that would corroborate this statement? The whole point of being a Crypto was not to get caught, so finding books or documents that would verify the Jewish descent of the progenitors or there immediate succeeding generations has proved somewhat difficult.

I am confident we receive (at least in part) our Jewish heritage from families just like this one...

Thanks

I have both of Sergio Gutierrez's books "Los Altos de Jalisco" Vol I & II. Vol I contains a census for Nochistlan in 1649 and Vol II has on for Nochistlan in 1664. At the end of Vol II there is a "Relacion o Descripcion del Curato de Nochistlan y Otros Pueblos, con su Padron [de 1651]" which seems to be a description of the people in the city.

Is the description above what is being considered as the Padron of 1651 or is there an actual census? If so, where can I access the census? Thank you

Hay alguien por ahí en NR que sepa quienes son los padres de Joseph Nicolás de Aceves y Ma. Gertrudis Navarro . Se que se casaron antes de Agosto de 1790, en Tepatitlán, pero no logro encontrar la fecha del matrimonio. Aquí están los datos básicos sobre está pareja que tuvo cinco hijos:

Joseph-Nicolás de Aceves Nació: ca. 1768 en Tepatitlán, Jalisco, México Falleció: Se desconoce
.. +María-Gertrudis Navarro Nació: ca. 1772 en Tepatitlán, Jalisco, México Se casaron: Bef. Agosto 1790 en Tepatitlán, Jalisco, México Falleció: Se desconoce

1. María-Guadalupe de Aceves Nació: 01 Mayo 1791 en Tepatitlán, Jalisco, México Falleció: Se desconoce
..... +Sixto Hernández Nació: ca. 1790 en Tepatitlán, Jalisco, México Se casaron: 27 Octubre 1813 en Tepatitlán, Jalisco, México Falleció: Se desconoce Padre: Ignacio Hernández Madre: Francisca Hernández
2. María-Nicolasa de Aceves Nació: 22 Mayo 1797 en Tepatitlán, Jalisco, México Falleció: Se desconoce
3. María-Ramona de Jesús de Aceves Nació: 13 Marzo 1799 en Las Milpillas, Tepatitlán, Jalisco, México Falleció: Se desconoce
..... +Juan-Antonio Abad Fernández de Rueda Nació: 08 Septiembre 1801 en Las Coronillas, Tepatitlán, Jalisco, México Se casaron: 12 Mayo 1819 en Tepatitlán, Jalisco, México Falleció: Se desconoce Padre: Juan-Antonio Fernández de Rueda Madre: María-Margarita Félix
4. María-Gertrudis de Aceves Nació: 11 Agosto 1805 en Tepatitlán, Jalisco, México Falleció: Se desconoce
5. María de los Santos de Aceves Nació: 11 Noviembre 1807 en Tepatitlán, Jalisco, México Falleció: Se desconoce

Estaría bastante agradecido si alguien me pudiera ayudar con esta familia.

I have all my family tree info in Family search, since it was the first site I used when I started working on my tree last year.

I am still very new at researching and learning new things constantly, thanks to this forum for example.

Now, I have considered taking this a little more seriously and want to have control of my information, so here is my question...

Which one, in your opinion is the best site to have your family tree that is not as expensive as ancestry? (I understand that building your tree in ancestry is free, but you cannot see records, unless you subscribe)

Thanks in advance for your opinions

Gaby Barbosa

Dear prim@s:

I have seen records of wills on Family Search for Jalisco, but I am wondering if there is an index somewhere, or anyone has done any work on these? let's say if a death records shows that the person left a will, what are the chances of finding it? and if so, which resources could I use to do so?

Thank you in advance

Gaby B.

Hola prim@s,

Here is an essay I have written about these early Sierra de Pinos settlers. My sources are San Matias Pinos parochial records (provided by Mary Lou Montagna), and parochial and protocolo records found at FamilySearch and at PARES.

Enjoy!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

FRANCISCO DE CARDONA Y MAGDALENA DE CARAVAJAL

Francisco de Cardona was born around 1569 in Mexico City, son of Francisco Ramón de Cardona and Leonor de Villegas. He was brother of Mariana de Cardona, baptized 1 Sep 1567, and of Leonor de Cardona, who married Juan de Armas, on 23 Oct 1594, in Mexico City.

In 1597, Francisco de Cardona was living in San Luis Potosí, when Alonso Jiménez sold him and Juan de Armas 28 mules. Both he and Juan de Armas are said to be arrieros (mule skinners). Note: I believe this is the same Juan de Armas who married his sister, Leonor de Cardona (and who are parents of Leonor de Armas y Cardona, wife of Pedro de Vargas Moriano); after the death of Leonor de Cardona, Juan de Armas married Leonor de la Vega Cortés, on 15 Feb 1616 in San Luis Potosí.

On 13 Apr 1602, in San Luis Potosí, Francisco de Cardona filed a civil suit against miner Juan del Valle, who had hired him to haul silver from his mines to his shop, and who still owed him 238 pesos.

Presented on 12 Nov 1603, was a map of a proposed town, “located 4 leagues from the mines of Nuestra Señora de la Concepción de Sierra de Pinos,” showing the layout of the town, with streets, a plaza mayor, and lots assigned to individuals. One of the lots was assigned to Francisco de Cardona.

On 05 Feb 1604, in San Luis Potosí, Francisco de Cardona, now the owner of a requa, or a pack train, sold 60 mules to Juan de Llamas, at 30 pesos per head. 60 mules seems like an entire fleet, so apparently, Francisco was getting out of the freight business, and my guess, reinvesting in mineral prospecting. His leap of faith paid off, because on 15 May 1604, he filed claims on no less than 11 mines, located in the Nuevo Descubrimiento del Peñón Blanco.

On 18 Jun 1604, in San Luis Potosí, Francisco de Cardona appeared as a witness in a civil suit between María de Espina and Alonso Carrillo. He gave his age as 35, placing his birth around 1569.

In Sierra de Pinos, Francisco de Cardona would live on Real de San Bartolomé Agua de La Pendencia, located at a crossroads between Peñón Blanco, Pinos, and San Luis Potosí. As a wealthy miner, he became prominent in his community, and over the years, appears as padrino for several baptisms and confirmations, and as witness to various marriages. He also owned a hacienda de beneficio (a mining hacienda), located somewhere in Pinos, and later administered by Diego Delgado "El Moso."

On 11 May 1614, in Pinos, his criados, Lorenzo and María, were married. On 6 Nov 1620, two more criados, Francisco and María, were married; Lorenzo and María were their padrinos.

Francisco de Cardona married Magdalena de Caravajal, likely in mid-1619. A clue to her origin appears in the 3 Dec 1649 marriage petition of their son, Juan de Cardona, for his marriage to Leonor Pérez de Mojica: one of the witnesses, Luis de Urdiales, declared that he was a 1st-cousin of Juan de Cardona. Luis de Urdiales was son of Luis de Urdiales and Bernardina de Arellano, also residents on La Pendencia; Bernardina de Arellano was daughter of Marcos González Obregón and Doña Magdalena de Caravajal, who would be the parents of Francisco de Cardona’s bride, obviously named for her mother.

The following year, the household staff was augmented with the acquisition of a slave: baptized on 27 Mar 1621, was Lucia, adult Negra Esclava de Francisco de Cardona. Her padrinos were Juana Díaz and her son, Diego Delgado “El Moso,” neighbors on Pendencia. One year later, on 20 Mar 1622, baptized was Tomasa, daughter of the same Lucia, Negra Esclava de Francisco de Cardona.

Francisco de Cardona died and was buried 28 Feb 1650, San Matías, Pinos, Zac. His executors were his sons, Juan and Miguel Cardona, and his wife, Magdalena de Caravajal.

On 15 Oct 1655, Doña Magdalena de Caravajal, widow of Francisco de Cardona, and now resident of San Luis Potosí, filed the necessary paper work to free her slave, Clemente, Mulato, age 2, born in her house, son of her Mulata slave, Agustina de la Cruz, “for the great love she has for the child’s mother.”

The children of Francisco de Cardona and Magdalena de Caravajal are:

Hola prim@s,

Indexing the “lost” archives provided by Mary Lou (San Matias Pinos 1613-1647), you can imagine that I’ve become pretty familiar with many of the first generation of residents in Sierra de Pinos - the family groups, the haciendas which they owned or on which they lived (by the way, I’ve been working on an ebook of all of these families, which I hope to share before the end of this year).
As some of you may have noticed, the marriages and baptisms of some of these early residents appear in Santa Maria de los Lagos, Jalisco, on Roll 221879 - Bautismos, confirmaciones, matrimonios, defunciones 1607-1728.
While going through this roll, I’d see baptisms of criados and slaves of Capitan Gabriel Ortiz de Fuenmayor, who owned Espiritu Santo in Pinos; he and his wife, Doña Ysabel Perez, appear as padrinos for some; I’d see the marriage of his successor as owner of Espiritu Santo, Don Juan Ramos de la Vega, to Juana de la Peña, daughter of Juan Perez de Alanis and Ysabel de Salas (owners of the Hacienda de Santa Ana in Pinos), and the baptisms of their children, as well as of their criados and slaves.
I always thought it odd that residents of Pinos would travel all the way to Lagos to marry or baptize their children - especially criados and slaves. Were they that mobile? Or, maybe these hacendados owned labores or ranchos in Lagos? Perplexed, I left it at that.
But as I was recently reviewing the images on this roll, starting at img150, I began to really notice how a lot of the people marrying or baptizing children, lived on either Espiritu Santo or Santa Ana. And then I noticed, on img230, confirmations performed on Espiritu Santo, on 18 Jun 1634; followed on img233, by a “Libro de Visitas” to “la yglesia del Agua del Spiritu Santo hacienda que es del Capitan Gabriel Hortiz,” which documents visits by the bishops of Guadalajara to that chapel, from 1612 to 1667. It’s followed by burials on the same hacienda.
And then it dawned on me: this is an entire book of baptisms, marriages, confirmations, visitas and burials that took place in Sierra de Pinos! They didn’t happen in Lagos! This book is in the wrong place! Either it was mistakenly transported to Lagos, or it’s a duplicate of a book that still exist in San Matias, Pinos!
Whatever the case, starting at img150-right, and through img245-left, is an entire book of holy sacraments that were performed in the chapel of the Hacienda del Espiritu Santo, in Sierra de Pinos, from 1606 to 1639.

Here are my notes and observations in regards:

- Though these events coincide with those that I indexed (1613-1647), these are not duplicates: this is an entirely different book.
- Whoever indexed this roll, only indexed the baptisms and marriages, but not the confirmations nor burials (which appear to be of criados, rather than of any of the principal families).
- Though some baptisms and marriages of the principal Spanish families appear, the majority of the records are for “castas” - mestizos, mulatos, negros and indios, who were either criados or slaves on the haciendas. What can be taken from this? Some are identified as “criados de so-and-so” or “esclavos de so-and-so,” so at least you can identify who worked for your ancestor (or who your ancestor worked for), as well as locate that ancestor. Also, many members of the principal families appear as padrinos or testigos; I’m one who likes to keep track of every detail about my people, so I log all of these events into their timelines.

In closing, even though these records are going to be found in Santa Maria de los Lagos, for accuracy’s sake, you might want to make note that these events occurred in Sierra de Pinos, Zacatecas: if your ancestor’s baptism appears among these pages, then they were likely born on Espiritu Santo, Santa Ana, or on another nearby hacienda.

I hope you’re all well!
Saludos!
Manny Díez Hermosillo

Hi my name is Stephanie Mendoza-Terrell,
I am looking for any information about my great-grandmother Jacinta Balcorta (Balcarte). She was married to a Pablo Sanchez from Zacatecas, most likely Tepetongo. I believe they were married in Zacatecas but I am not sure. All we know of Jacinta Balcorta was that she died when my grandmother was very young so she does not remember her mother. Jacinta was born in Mexico and married Pablo in Mexico but I don’t know where. They arrived in Los Angeles, Ca in 1905. I believe she was born sometime between 1872-1876.
Pablo Sanchez was born in 1872-1876. His father was Dario Sanchez and his mother was Elena Tinajero.

If anyone has any information please contact me.

Hello Betty Ritchley
I have a first cousin who is directly related to Nicolas Tranquilino Jauregui married to Agustina de Guadalupe Corona. If you want to compare notes please write me at hartparkangler@ yahoo.com All my research is centered around Nochistlan Zacatecas.

Estimados colegas,

Suplico su ayuda en sobre una rama que tengo introncada.

Últimamente he estado revisando y arreglando datos sobre dos parejas con nombres muy parecidos: Nicolás Romo de Vivar (y de los Ángeles) y Mariana de Villalobos (y Carrillo de Sandi) & Nicolás Romo de Vivar (y Tiscareño) y María de Villalobos (y Martín del Campo/López de la Cruz). Veo que en mi genealogía tengo precisamente a dos antepasados con estos apellidos, pero sin vínculo a su tronco principal.

Mi rama de Romo de Vivar, hasta que tengo investigada, proviene de Jalostotitlán y San Juan los Lagos. Se trata de DIEGO ROMO DE VIVAR y MARIANA DE VILLALOBOS (mis octavos abuelos), nombres parecidos a los arriba mencionados, pero sin parentesco comprobado. No he podido superar más allá de Diego Romo de Vivar y Mariana de Villalobos. No sé donde nacieron…solo tengo fechas aproximadas. Tampoco he tenido suerte buscando entre las dispensas, porque sus descendientes se casaron con personas de Jalos y San Juan que no eran parientes.

Diego Romo de Vivar nació hacia 1688 y Mariana de Villalobos nació hacia 1692, ambos posiblemente en Teocaltiche o Aguascalientes. Se casaron hacia 1709. Tengo documentados a siete hijos, bautizados principalmente en Jalostotitlán y en San Juan de los Lagos, con la excepción de la hija #2 Beatriz, bautizada en Teocaltiche. Este bautizo, por supuesto me hace suponer que Diego Romo de Vivar y Mariana de Villalobos obviamente son de Teocaltiche, feligresía de origen de sus familias respectivas. En resumen sus siete hijos:

1. Diego Ignacio Romo de Vivar Nació hacia 1710 en Teocaltiche?, Jalisco, México
..... +Juana-Lauredia de Alba Nació: 4 Feb 1708 en Tecameca, Jalostotitlán, Jalisco, México Se casaron: 15 Jun 1732 en Jalostotitlán, Jalisco, México
Padre: Joseph de Alba - & - Madre: Águeda Casillas y González
2. Beatriz Romo de Vivar Nació: 10 Oct 1712 en Teocaltiche, Jalisco, México
..... +Francisco Xavier Alvarez Reynoso Nació hacia 1713 en San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, México Se casaron: 14 Feb 1735 en San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, México
Padre: Juan-Manuel Alvarez - & - Madre: María de Reynoso y Rentería
3. [1] Sebastián de Aparicio Romo de Vivar Nació: 3 May 1717 en San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, México Fue bautizado: 3 May 1717 en San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, México
. *1ª esposa de [1] Sebastián de Aparicio Romo de Vivar:
..... +Marcela de Velasco Nació hacia 1720 en Jalostotitlán, Jalisco, México Se casaron hacia 1739 en San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, México
Padre: Manuel de Velasco y Orantes - & - Madre: María de Palafox y Mendoza
. *2ª esposa de [1] Sebastián de Aparicio Romo de Vivar:
..... +Inés Muñoz de la Barba Nació: 15 Jun 1712 en La Laja, Jalostotitlán, Jalisco, México Fue bautizada: 30 Jun 1712 en Jalostotitlán, Jalisco, México Se casaron: 22 Sep 1741 en Nuestra Señora de la Asunción, Jalostotitlán, Jalisco, México
Padre: Lázaro Muñoz de la Barba - & - Madre: Tomasa de Jesús Sánchez de Hermosillo
. *3ª esposa de [1] Sebastián de Aparicio Romo de Vivar:
..... +Petronila de Islas Nació hacia 1735 en Jalostotitlán, Jalisco, México Se casaron: 2 Ene 1760 en Jalostotitlán, Jalisco, México
4. Polonia Estefanía Romo de Vivar Nació hacia 1720 en Jalostotitlán, Jalisco, México
5. María-Margarita Romo de Vivar Nació hacia 1723 en Jalostotitlán, Jalisco, México
6. Anna Juliana Romo de Vivar Nació: 3 Oct 1726 en Jalostotitlán, Jalisco, México
..... +Juan-Joseph de Aceves Nació hacia 1724 en Jalostotitlán, Jalisco, México Se casaron: 3 Feb 1745 en Jalostotitlán, Jalisco, México
Padre: Joseph de Aceves - & - Madre: María-Teresa Gutiérrez
7. Mónica Gertrudis Romo de Vivar Nació: 29 May 1729 en Jalostotitlán, Jalisco, México

Disculpen que no incluya fuentes documentales en este resumen, y además los datos son de antes que los Microfilms fueran digitalizados. En el ir y venir de la vida, he estado revisando los Microfilms en línea poco a poco, buscando los documentos e integrando las fuentes cuando disponga de tiempo.

Yo desciendo de Sebastián de Aparicio Romo de Vivar y de su segunda esposa, Inés Muñoz de la Barba. Cuando se casaron el 22 de septiembre de 1741, en Jalostotitlán, los dos ya eran viudos. Sebastián era viudo de Marcela de Velasco, e Inés era viuda de Joseph Ramírez Cornejo.

Sebastián de Aparicio Romo de Vivar e Inés Muñoz de la Barba tuvieron cuatro hijos, de los cuales yo desciendo a través de Anna-Juliana Romo de Vivar [Juliana Romo], bautizada el 24 de abril de 1747, en Jalostotitlán [nacida el 11 de abril en el Puesto de Jerusalén, Jalos]. Se casó con Antonio Gervasio Díaz de León y Trujillo [Antonio Díaz-Trujillo] el 2 de mayo de 1770 en Jalostotitlán. Antonio Gervasio [nacido el 18 de junio de 1732, en La Estancia Vieja, Jalos, y bautizado el 6 de julio de 1732] fue hijo de Felipe de Santiago Díaz de León y Trujillo (y de Loza) y de María Xaviera González Rubio (y de Araujo Mayorga).

¿Alguien sabe algo sobre Diego Romo de Vivar y Mariana de Villalobos? ¡Por favor ayúdenme!

Gracias de antemano...

Steven Francisco Hernández López

Anyone know of where I can get copies of Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia, or who may be willing to part with their set?

marty

Compañeros que tal. Busco información de Martin de Ybarra Casado con Dña. Ynes de Solís. En el Testamento de Joseph de Ybarra señala ser hijo de ambos. Esa misma fuente dice que poseía una merced de Pesquería, la cual paso a manos de dicho Joseph de Ybarra. Por lo tanto, pienso que debieron haber vivido en lo que hoy es San Nicolás de Ibarra en Chapala Jal. En una Información Matrimonial de 1694 señalan que Joseph de Ybarra tiene 60 años. Entonces el matrimonio de Martin de Ybarra con Ynes Solís tuvo que darse alrededor de 1630 tal vez en Chapala.

Les agradezco mucho su apoyo, Gracias.

Francisco Méndez Ibarra

Hi everyone,

I want to ask anyone what distance is a "legua" that was used in Zacatecas year 1648?

Here is a census of Valparaiso and Rancho Carboneras year 1648. That rancho belonged to my ancestor Joan Angon. But on the census it shows him listed first at Valparaiso while his son Esteban Angon is listed in Rancho Carboneras.

Rancho Carboneras was located 5 leguas from Fresnillo and Valparaiso 20 leguas from Fresnillo. They were under jurisdiccion of Fresnillo.

https://ibb.co/2gCpcdZ

Source:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89K7-W9ND?i=426&cat=23…

film no. 100530017 pg. 427

There was a Cofradia at the rancho of Joan Angon and presumably at Rancho Carboneras. There is a whole archive that was logged like a diary from 1632 - 1700 in regards to that ranch and it is called "Cofradias 1632 - 1700."

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-FSS1-7G?wc=3JHM-C66%3A…

It is under Huejuquilla, Jalisco.

Joan Angon was father of Esteban Angon. I believe Maria Angon was daughter of Esteban Angon. Maria Candelaria Angon (1655 - 1735) was married to my direct ancestor Antonio Madera (1660 - 1709) on my family tree:

https://ibb.co/X5QTnXN

If any of you have any info on Maria Candelaria Angon, Antonio Madera, Esteban Angon and Joan Angon. I am trying to located baptism or marriage records of them in the area at that time.

Can anybody recommend some good books...even though they may be out of print, to research the Mexican state of Michoacan?

For Nueva Galicia in general there are books like “Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia”
by Mariano González-Leal.

or Diccionario biográfico del occidente novohispano by Hillerkuss.

and even Blasones Y Apellidos.

But what are your go to books for Michoacan? Any advice would help. Gracias.

Martin Puentes

Hola,

Estoy buscando la fuente documental para comprobar la union entre Isabel de Anda-Altamirano (casada con Francisco Prieto Gallardo en 1659) y sus "padres" Juan de Anda-Altamirano y Juana Ruiz de Nava. Esa informacion la he visto en varios blogs pero no se como llegaron a esa conclusion. Inclusive el libro de Retonos tiene esa informacion pero desgraciadamente el autor no incluyo la fuente.

Cualquier informacion la agradeceria mucho

saludos

susana L

Hola; presentandome y ponerme al corriente con la busqueda de mis ancestros;
busco Torres de Bolaños, Sanchez, Ramos, Ibarra, Magallanes, P
aredes, Carrillo, Avila;
voy a dar lectura a post pasados para ver en que puedo hechar la mano;
si alguien tiene mas info de estos apellido
por Atolinga, el Teul, Tlaltenango, Totatiche; Chimaltitan, San Martin de Bolaños ; agradezco de antemanon su ayuda

Su amigo y primo
Salvador Martinez

Hello Everyone ~♦~ Let me first introduce myself. My name is Gloria (Tello) Jackson and I am brand new at this, having never been on Nuestros Ranchos before. However, as soon as I came across the Nuestros Ranchos Genealogy Group Website I saw that the research centered on Jalisco, Zacatecas and Aguascalientes. Oh my! I was instantly interested and filled with hope. What has been nagging me for about 30 years now is the fact I have wanted to know more about my grandfather’s lineage but didn’t know how to achieve the results I needed. My grandfather’s name was Luis Tello Martinez and he was born in San Pedro Ocampo in Zacatecas in 1883. Everything that lies beyond him is a total, complete mystery to us, his grandchildren, except knowing that his father’s name was Daniel Tello. That is as far as it goes because I still do not know when he was born nor do I know what his birthplace was. But I do know that he was a silver ore miner who died of pneumonia at Concepción del Oro, Zacatecas sometime before 1922. As a teenager young Luis Tello had worked in the mines with his father Daniel, but he found out that a miner’s work was not to his liking. Luis chose to finish school instead and did not become a miner like his father.

Now, I have observed that some families of Mexican descent openly share their roots, but ours simply did not. This is why it was necessary for me to join a group like this of like-minded people who are intent and serious about researching their roots in Mexico. And that’s where the hope comes in. I say that because there’s now a big chance for our family to know what’s back there past our paternal great-grandfather Daniel Tello. I might possibly even find the one Tello ancestor who was a pasajero (passenger) on one of Queen Isabella’s ships. Anything beyond that, of course, would be icing on the cake!

So, after receiving the Nuestros Ranchos Emails for some months now, I rest assured that you are a great group of people “en busca de sus antepasados” (in search of your ancestors) as well. I believe you will be able to assist me in my own family research for our Tello Great-Grandfathers. I strongly suspect that our complete Tello line in New Spain were all involved in mining silver, gold, and mineral ores. They do appear to have kept themselves working in the highlands and mountainous mining areas of central Mexico. At least that’s what I’ve noticed from all that I am finding from FamilySearch.org (the LDS) and also from what was told to me by my Father and by my Paternal Grandmother.

My question to you will greatly help me in my research. Can anyone tell me please what the oldest most ancient mines in and around the state of Zacatecas are and what their names are? My grandmother mentioned Mazapíl, Zacatecas, Mezquital del Oro, San Luis Potosí, Parral, Matehuala, San Pedro de Ocampo, Melchor Ocampo and Concepción del Oro. These are second-nature to me now because I heard both my grandmother and my father mention them as to but a few places in central Mexico where our great-grandfather spent his time working. But perhaps there are others that I can quickly recall if I once again hear their names.

I thank you all for taking the time to read my very first Posting on Nuestros Ranchos and I look forward with anticipation to reading your responses. ~♦~

Hola a todos. My ancestor, Jose Augustin Narvaez was sent to Alta California (to the Branciforte colony) in 1797, apparently "as a juvenile delinquent picked up on the streets of Guadalajara". One source states: "Agustin NARVAEZ. 'Spanish' 'labrador' Born: Guadalajara, Aguas Calientes, Mexico Came: to Monterey, CA as prisoner. Given Choice of jail in Mexico or home in California...". Would there have been a court or other such record of this event or was this type of action too common to make note of? If the event was noted, where would it likely have been recorded? Thanks for any information on this topic.

Could someone please direct me on where to find the directions on submitting a request for help in some research?

I have an "amateur" report I've been working on for a great-grandfather...and am still unable to find his civil/church record...also, its in the state of Michoacan.

Thanks

Marty

To whom it may concern:

I have been in contact with the indexing department of Familysearch.org. I been told that i can not index colotlan, jalisco records because they don't belong to me. And i was instructed to contact a genealogical group. So that we can contact them as a group to request a lote to index Colotlan, jalisco.

I mention this to Joseph but did not get a responce, i email Colotlan Municipality regarding if they could gives us a legal permission to index the lotes.

Anyone that knows about this can represent our group and get the lote ok to be index. It would be to our groups best interest to index our States, cities.

As i try looking for my families i see many possible leads but cant keep trac of them all.

If the indexing is not a thing that may happen maybe we can make an index of our own in simple spread sheet-

We work on a book let say Colotlan marriges 1873. 52
52 pages i can do them easy, 1 marriage per page.

Number: Date: Page:
Groom: parents grand parents.

bride: parents grand parents.

This file can be saved for the group to see.

But some are to big like Colotlan 1802 4599.
We can get groups to work number of pages let say sets of 50. So we dont repeat index

name pages 1 to 50
name pages 51 tp 100 etcs etc,

copy paste files to one and safe it.

use ctl f to find family for tree?

I hope we can get together and work on our town family tree this way. For the genealogy of our extended family.

Hi everyone,

I need help reading this word please, I can't make out the word. Must be an illegitimate child but other records on this page say natural which I thought was for illegitimate children.

Right page last record for Ma. Cornelia
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-V49W-H5?i=44&cc=1874591

Thank you,
Esther

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Les expongo mi caso con el cual llevo años y felices dias atoradisimo, y con el proposito de saber si alguien tiene alguna idea o recomendacion que me pueda ayudar con ello.

Mi cuarto abuelo, Jose Francisco Garibay Gutierrez casa en 1827 con Maria Josefa Rosalia Estevez y Guzman de la Mora en Guadalajara, en su matrimonio este Francisco dice que es originario de la villa de Zamora y es de edad de 23 años (habria nacido en 1804), sus padres fueron D. Rafael Garibay y D. Ignacia Gutierrez, en 1821 entra a estudiar medicina en la Real Universidad de Guadalajara, y termina de estudiar en 1823 que es cuando le expiden su titulo, en los diveros documentos que tengo de sus estudios, en varios de ellos lo mencionan tambien como originario de Zamora, muere en 1875 y en su defuncion le ponene que tenian 66 años (habria nacido en 1809).

En el censo de 1821 de Guadalajara aparece el y sus padres, tenido Francisco 19 años (habria nacido en 1802) y estudiante, su padre tenia 42años y de oficio Platero, y su madre 36, aparte tambien registran a otro hijo, Marcerlo Garibay quien tenia 18 años, y en el censo de 1822 aparece tambien el y dice ser de edad de 20 años, su padre dice tener 42 y de oficio Platero, y su madre 30, aquí ya no aparece censado el otro hijo, Marcelo.

Luego del matrmonio de Francisco Garibay, su madre fallece ese mismo año, [..]se sepulto en Santa Teresa, cruz alta, con vigilia, el cadaver de Da. Ygnacia Gutierrez de cuarenta y dos años, de aquí, casada que fue con D. Rafael Garibay, murio de Diarrea[…]
Rafale Garibay (padre de Francisco) contrae segundas nupcias en 1828 con Petra Chavoya, española de 40 años, aquí es donde se quienes fueron los padres de Rafael (abuelos de Francisco), D. Antonio Garibay y Da. Antonia Sanchez.

Hice la busqueda del bautismo de Francisco desde 1799 hasta 1809 en Zamora y en chilchota desde 1801 a 1805 sin éxito, hice la busqueda del matrimonio de sus padres entre 1799 a 1804 en Zamora y tampoco, tanto en libros de españoles como de otras Castas, tambien hice la busqueda de su otro hermano de Francisco, Marcelo, y del matrimonio de los abuelos, Antonio Garibay y Antonia Sanchez en años supuestos, pero nada tampoco.

Ya no se que mas hacer ni por donde buscar, e leido y releido los libros de bautismo y matrimonios de Zamora en esos rangos y no hay nada, solo pistas muy vagas con nombres que no aciertan del todo. Es muy probable que provengan de los Ochoa Garbay por estar asentados en Zamora, y es casi un hecho que hayan sido españoles por el oficio de Platero que tenia su padre Rafael y porque pudo entrar Francisco a la Universidad dada las restricciones de castas que habia en aquella epoca, por el entierro de su madre con cruz alta y porque se les nombra como españoles tanto en el matrimonio de Francisco como en el matrimonio de sus segundas nupcias de su padre Rafael.

Estimados Amigos de Nuestros Ranchos:

Durante más de 15 años hemos sido miembros de Nuestros Ranchos. En los
últimos años más pasivos, pues ya estamos pasando los 80 de edad y nos
ocupamos más en poner en blanco y negro, el resultado de nuestros hallazgos.
Los miembros de Nuestros Ranchos nos ofrecieron interesante información e
ideas para la busqueda de antepasados. Por medio de ellos nos fué posible
contactar a Grupos como la Sociedad de Genealogía de la Nueva Galicia en
Sacramento, Calif. en donde asistimos a la 4a. conferencia en 2013. A los
Simposiums sobre Genealogía e Historia de las Familias en la Universidad
Autónoma de Aguascalientes, Méx. a los que hemos asistido cuatro veces,
2014, 2015, 2016 y 2017, dos de ellas como ponentes, 2015 y 2016 . En ambos
lugares conocimos personas que nos ayudaron y apoyaron en la investigación,
realización y la publicación de la historia de nuestras familias, que hemos
podido rastrear hasta tiempos del Imperio Romano Germánico en Alemania y en
México hasta principios de la Nueva España. El resultado de tantos años de
trabajo, es el libro que queremos presentar con este correo, titulado "Böhm
y Navarro", subtítulo "Nuestras Familias a través de los Siglos". Se puede
obtener en Amazon.com como eBook o en forma de libro tradicional. Nuestro
deseo es motivar a los jóvenes de edad o de corazón para que investiguen y
pasen a sus descendientes, la historia de sus raices. La genealogía nos
ayuda a descubrir la historia de nuestros antepasados, todos tenemos una
historia increible, hay que buscarla y pasarla a las nuevas generaciones.

Nuestras más sinceras gracias a Nuestros Ranchos y a todos los que nos
ayudaron a buscar y publicar nuestra historia. Sin su ayuda no nos hubiera
sido posible descubrir que podemos hacer lo que hemos hecho.
En la Ciudad de México, infinitas gracias a la Srita. Ana Esparza por editar
y armar nuestro libro, al Sr. Eleazar Maldonado por las portadas y en
Polonia al Dr.Arkadiusz Kuzio-Podrucki por la elaboración del hermoso árbol
genealógico de mi abuelo Tiburcio Navarro Acevez que en tamaño poster se
exhibe en el lobby del Palacio Jedlinka en Jedlina Zdroj, Polonia. Por
último, gracias a la Familia Leda, actuales dueños del dicho palacio por
tenerlo en exhibición. Este palacio peteneció a los antepasados de mi esposo
de 1889 a 1945 cuando ése lugar aún era Alemania. Como se darán cuenta, la
genealogía nos vuelve internacionales.

Saludos afectuosos a todos nuestros amigos de Nuestros Ranchos y nuevamente
gracias a todos.

Bertha Medina Navarro de Boehm y Guenter Boehm ( o Böhm ) desde el Estado
de Nueva York

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The actual original pages are not in the book Historia de nuestra señora de San Juan de los Lagos, and according to other posts in this forum the padron is not on family search, however the author transcribed it for his book.

The book is online for free since it was published more than 100 years ago and it's public domain now.

I'm sure you had this already, I'm just pointing out the connection between Josepha Perez M. and Angela, who I believe to have been sisters

Adios for now:)