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What is the meaning "el moco"?

I think it is like senior or junior, but am not sure.

¿Alguien tendra informacion de quienes fueron los padres de Andres de Robalcaba?

Fue esposa de Maria Vicenta Ferrer Muñoz ambos españoles de Nochistlan, tuvieron los siguientes hijos:
Juan Manuel, buatizado.1786 en Nochistlan
Maria Luiza Coronado, buatizada 1793 en Nochistlan
María Antonia de Guadalupe, buatizada 1793 en Nochistlan
Maria Leonarda, buatizada en 1781 en Nochistlan

I descend from Alonso de Angulo y Montesino and Catalina de Lira. I have not been able to find their parents and ancestors. Does anyone know where I can find this information or have any leads that may help me in this search?

Alonso de Angulo is the first owner of "La Hacenda Corralejo." From a website "http://www.cultura.gob.mx/turismocultural/destino_mes/guanajuato/corral…":

"La Hacienda Corralejo fue fundada en 1565 por Don Alonso de Angulo y Montesino. El suceso más importante de la historia de esta hacienda, de Pénjamo es el nacimiento de Don Miguel Hidalgo y Costilla, ya que en ese tiempo, el padre de Hidalgo, Cristóbal Hidalgo fungía como administrador de de San Vicente, un rancho que formaba parte de la hacienda."

Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci

Hola a todos,

Desde hace tiempo me he intrigado el origen de la familia García de Alba y ello me lleva a investigar a la matriarca de su linaje en México, Isabel de Bentancur y Ruiz, madre de Francisco García de Alba (El primero del apellido que es mencionado en los registros). Sabemos que Isabel de Betancur es a su vez hija de Isabel Francisca Ruiz, gracias a la información obtenida a partir de las dispensas publicadas por Luz Montejano. Otros hijos de Isabel Francisca Ruiz lo fueron Juana de Betancur, esposa de Francisco Michel; así como Nicolás de Betancur padre de Francisco de Betancur y Alarcón, cuya hija Faustina de Betancur se unió en matrimonio con su pariente Antonio García de Alba y Goméz de Aguirre y de la que existe otra dispensa.

Hoy consultando los documentos que amablemente han estado indexando Daniel Serna y colaboradores en Valladolid Dispensas, me encontré con un domento fechado en 1644 en Huaniqueo, Michoacán. Con asunto sobre los bienes de Andrés Díaz de Betancur, en el que se menciona a su hija Catalina de Bentancur tenedora de sus bienes, al esposo de esta Juan de Molina Montañes, y a su hermano Nicolás de Betancur.
Aquí la liga al documento: Microfilme # 004731567 ima. 687
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-BJBM-M?i=686&cc=188338…

Como pueden ver entre los hijos del difuento Andrés Díaz de Betancur, se lista a un homónimo de Nicolás de Betancur, hermano de Isabel, matriarca de los García de Alba.

¿Sabe alguien la filiación de Isabel de Bentancur y Ruiz? ¿Será hija de Andrés Díaz de Bentancur? ¿Qué se conoce sobre los origenes de esta rama de los Betancur en Nueva España?

Agradezco su atenta retroalimentación.

Éxito,
Enrique Agraz

I am not sure if there are earlier burials than these 1686-1756 which are the earliest ones that are online at
    https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-BB9X-HL?cc=1804458&wc=3PSW…
This starts with microfilm roll 443978.

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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 04:21:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: hfaizcorbe@hotmail.com
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] DEFUNCIONES MAS ANTIGUAS DE TLALTENANGO

Buenos d?as! En alguna parte del forum he visto que mencionan paertidas de
defunci?n de Tlaltenango de la d?cada de 1630, pero no he podido
localizarlas en los microfilmes de familysearch.org. ?Podr?a alguien
indicarme el n?mero de microfilm en que las puedo encontrar? Estar?a muy
agradecido. Saludos! H?ctor F?lix Aizcorbe

There is a record for Mariana Marzelina De Jesus Gonzalez Gutierres in Book 221423, Lagos de Moreno. She has a baptism date of 4 junio 1801. I cannot find the record - I have looked at all of 1801. The record should be on page 362, but it is not. I imagine that there are 1801 records at another place in the book, but I cannot find them.

So, if someone wants a Saturday project, here it is. Thank you for your help.

Hola Primos,

While indexing a recent batch of "Obispado de Michoacan" films from the mid 1600's. I ran across the will of Capt. Alonso Rodriguez Martos, who I know is a distant ancestor of many of you. Here's the link to his last will and testament:

Alonso Rodriguez Martos (1/18/1654 - Tancitaro, Michocan, Mexico)

Daniel Serna Valencia

I hope I'm posting this in the right forum. If not let me know and I will repost in the correct one. This is not research related, but my uncle who knows I have recently become interested in genealogy sent me this post. I thought I would share with all of you :)

"Vean que interesante, para haber nacido necesitamos de:

* Padres: 2 *

* Abuelos: 4 *

* Bisabuelos: 8 *

* Tararabuelos: 16 *

* Choznos: 32 *

* Pentabuelos: 64 *

* Hexabuelos: 128 *

* Heptabuelos: 256 *

* Octabuelos: 512 *

* Nonabuelos: 1024 *

* Decabuelos: 2048 *

Sólo del total de las 11 últimas generaciones,
Fueron necesarios * 4.094 ancestros * para estar aquí hoy ...
¡Cerca de 300 años antes de nacer..

Piensa un instante:
¿Cuántas luchas, cuántas guerras, cuánto hambre, cuántas dificultades todos estos antepasados ​​vivieron?

Por otro lado, cuánta fuerza, cuánto amor, cuántas alegrías y estímulos, cuán instinto de supervivencia cada uno de ellos tuvo dentro de sí para que hoy usted esté aquí vivo?
Nosotros sólo existimos gracias a todo lo que cada uno de ellos pasó...

Gratitud a todos los antepasados, sin ellos no tendríamos la felicidad de conocer lo que es la "Vida" !!!"

Hi Everyone

So I haven't been able to get the book Ameca, protofundación Mexicana, as I live in Canada, but I was able to find a snippet view of Angela Perez Maldonado, Amaya Topete says that she was the sister of the priest Juan Perez Maldonado (attached)

Rick, commented here that there was a couple of dispensations mentioning her, one where she is the daughter of Diego Perez Maldonado, and the other says she is his grand child, however I have been unable to locate them so far.

Does anyone have any links to her ancestry? I saw her family tree on family search but a lot of the names don't have any source documents and I would like to know more about that family.

Any other books you would recommend, or sources for info are much, much appreciated.

Gracias de nuevo :)

Hi Everyone,

After finding my correct family line, I've come to conclude the following:

My GGreat-Grandfather was Guadalupe Hernandez (Born ~1837), married to Cirila Gonzalez.

My GGGreat-Grandfather was Jose Maria Hernandez (Born ~1810 in Carrizal), married to Valentina Padilla

My GGGGreat-Grandfather was Ignacio Hernandez, married to Gertrudis Hernandez

This is where thing start to get a little blurry for me. I have records that suggest that Ignacio and Gertrudis had at least three sons (probably more), Jose Maria, Hilario (Ylario?), and Pedro Jose de Guadalupe.

I found a baptism record for a Jose Maria de Jesus Hernandez Hernandez (Very last record on the right side, continues onto slide# 158) with no grand-parents listed. Is this normal? Was it intentional or accidental?

Here: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-VP99-M1?i=156&cc=18745…

I also found a record for a Jose Ylario de Jesus Hernandez Hernandez, also no grand parents listed.

Here: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-FM91-Q6?i=439&cc=18745…

Lastly, a record for a Pedro Jose De Guadalupe Hernandez Hernandez, which does list paternal grandparents, that I can hardly make out as Juan Ignacio Hernandez y Ana(?) Maria(?) Orozco? Can anyone give a second opinion?

Here: (Last on the left page)

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-F99B-35?i=522&cc=18745…

Does anyone have anything about this family they can share?

Gracias primos,

Carlos

Try this link. Parece que hay defunciones después 1537 en algunos arzodiices en México.

Online Records

Many church records for Mexico are available in the FamilySearch Historical Records.
Mexico Baptism Index 1560-1950 Mexico Marriage Index 1570-1950 Mexico Death Index 1680-1940

Estefanía

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I am not sure if there are earlier burials than these 1686-1756 which are the earliest ones that are online at
? ??https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-BB9X-HL?cc=1804458&wc=3PSW…
This starts with microfilm roll 443978.

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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 04:21:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: hfaizcorbe@hotmail.com
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] DEFUNCIONES MAS ANTIGUAS DE TLALTENANGO

Buenos d?as! En alguna parte del forum he visto que mencionan paertidas de
defunci?n de Tlaltenango de la d?cada de 1630, pero no he podido
localizarlas en los microfilmes de familysearch.org. ?Podr?a alguien
indicarme el n?mero de microfilm en que las puedo encontrar? Estar?a muy
agradecido. Saludos! H?ctor F?lix Aizcorbe

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I'm currently in the process of learning how to read old documents. I want to get good at it because I'm consonantly frustrated by having access to great sources of historic and genealogical knowledge, but unable to understand more than 25% of the text.
This is what I came out with:

En el Rancho de la Buena Aventura en tres días del mes de diciembre, de mil seicientos noventa y cuatro años, ante mi, Felipe de la Torre, [bay/fay?] se [sentó/presentó?] el contenido de ella y por mi vista la ube por presentada y mando le ponga por [caueta/carrera?] [espa/desta/?]diligencias así lo probei y firme actuando como Juez [Regidor?] por falta de y [Criano/Oriano?] [illegible] el publico no estas en este partido de que dos fee:

Hello,

I'm looking for any information about the parents of Juan de la Torre Valdez (married to Juana Gamboa Villalobos)

I saw in several family trees online that Juan's father was Andres de la Torre, but unfortunately they don't list the documentary source to make this link. If anyone knows how they reached this conclusion, I would appreciated any info.

Thank you

susana

Anyone available to help transcribe a marriage?

Here is the link: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-BK8D-T?i=71&cc=1883388

Its for maria Josefa Albarado & Jose Sacramento Ledesma; 31 Oct 1819.

It is the last entry on the first page of the link...

Thank you.

Please let me know if I posted in the wrong forum.

marty

PS...tengo un problemo...no hablo/escribo espanol. (but genealogy is one of my passions)

Como muchoas ya han de saber, todos los libros de las Tierras y Aguas sobre las propiedadades están disponibles digitalmente para poderlos consultar/As you might already know, all the books from Tierras y aguas, 1584-1866, are available to explore on

https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/278176?availability=Family%…

Me parece increible porque yo siempre he querido saber sobre las primeras personas que eran dueñas de todas esas tierras en Calvillo, Aguascalientes.Encontré muchos registros donde mencionan al valle de huejucar o mencionan tierras que probablemte se encontraban allí. El Valle de huejucar que ahora se conmoce como Calvillo, fue parte de la juridiccion de Juchip[ila por mas de dos siglos.
Which is amazing because I always wanted to find out who were the landowners in Calvillo, Aguascalientes back then known as Valle de Huejucar/Huejucar. Calvillo belonged to the Juchipila back then. I found various records that mention land within that area of Calvillo, but I've found it incredibly hard to read because there are new abbreviations, the terminology is different compared to the church records and also the writing is hard to understand.

1. Diego Flores en Juchipila. Se menciona a Valle de Huejucar

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDL-6SC7-R?i=244&cat=…

2. Lazaro Calvillo. Se menciona que sus tierras son desde Ojocalientillo a la sierra de Teocaltiche. Lo que me hace pensar que se trate de un lugar actual de Calvillo que se llama arroyo de Ojocalientillo y la sierra de Teocaltiche ahora se llama Sierra de Laurel./ It mentions Ojocalientillo and the Sierra of Teocaltiche. I suppose that Ojocalientillo is now the place known in Calvillo as Arroyo de ojocalientillo, and The Sierra de Teocaltiche is the Sierra of Laurel?

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDL-6SHB-K?i=286&cat=…

Aquí también se menciona a un tal José Calvillo como testigo, pariente to Lázaro Calvillo, se tratará del dueño de la hacienda se San Cristobal y de la persona que en el futuro donaría la mayoría de los terrenos para la fundación de la villa de San José de Huajucar actual Calvillo?/ There is a Jose Calvillo, related to Lázaro Calvillo, as a witness. Could he be the owner of Hacienda of San Cristobal and the landowner who later donated the land where the Village of San Jose of Huejucar, now Calvillo, was founded?

3.Don Mathias López de Carrasquilla. Juchipila y Aguascalientes. Según José Antonio Gutierrez G., en su libro "Historía De La Iglesia Católica En Aguascalientes Volumen II" nombra a Mathias López como uno de los que pasaron a ser propietarios de tierras que se les habian otorgado originalmente en 1550 a Alonzo Velasco, Diego Flores, su suegro y a Diego de los Rios. Según Antonio Gutierrez G., esas tierras que les fuerom otorgadas formarian la hacienda de Gaztambinde, o Vaquerías. / According to José Antonio Gutiérrez on his book "Historía De La Iglesia Católica En Aguascalientes Volumen II/ The History Of The Catholic Church in Aguascalientes Volume II", Mathias Lopez de Carrasquilla acquired land that was originally owned by the first european setlers Alonzo Velasco, Diego Flores, su suegro y a Diego de los Rios, which later gave rise to the Hacienda de Gaztambide, or Vaquerias in Calvillo.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDL-XNBV?i=360&cat=27…
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDL-D178?i=259&cat=27…

3. Andrés Muñoz de Hermosillo. Aguascalientes, Valle de Huajucar.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDL-XSHK-9?i=124&cat=…

Si alguien me puede ayudar a leer esos documentos se lo agradecería mucho, o darme tips para aprender a leerlos.

También incluyo una captura de el indice de los libros de Tierra y Agua, donde dice que hay un libro con registros de 1865, pero no lo he podido encontrar en ningún lado. Se habrá perdido y no le tomarom film? I attached a screen capture where it shows that there's supposed to be a Book number @ with all the records from 1584, but I couldn't find them.

Otra cosa es que hay más de 100 "Legajos" además de todos los libros, alguien sabe que información es esa y si hay indices? There are about a hundres books called "Legajos" I have no idea if there is an index for them too.

Gracias y espero y me puedan ayudar.

Hello,

I need some help with the following marriage:

Luis de Salinas and Catharina de Biana married on aug 27, 1687 in Colotlan, Jalisco. I found the entry in the book Antiguas Familias de Tlaltenango (Arturo Ramos). I didn't see the actual record. According with the book the groom was from CIENEGA (the entry doesnt include the name of his parents). The bride was from ACATEPULCO and included the name of her parents (Francisco de Biana e Isabel Garcia).

After some research I found the bride's baptism in Aguascalientes, Aguas. But just the baptism, no brother and sisters or marriage of the parents.

question:
1. Where would you search for Luis de Salinas if he was from CIENEGA? I'm not clear if it could be Cienega de Mata (Lagos) or the region of Cienega (in Jalisco). I already looked in Familysearch (regular films already indexed only)

2. On the Bride's side (Biana / Viana) she was from ACATEPULCO, in other documents of the family is mentioned TENASCO. It is very possible that this family was linked to NICOLAS MAYORGA VIANA (He was also from Tenasco or his mother). Where would you look for her?

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you

Susana L
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Hola,

Necesito ayuda con el siguiente matrimonio:

Luis de Salinas y Catharina de Biana se casaron el 27 de agosto de 1687 en Colotlán, Jalisco. Encontré la entrada en el libro Antiguas Familias de Tlaltenango (Arturo Ramos). Personalmente no he visto el documento. De acuerdo con el libro, el novio era de CIENEGA (la entrada no incluye el nombre de sus padres). La novia era de ACATEPULCO e incluía el nombre de sus padres (Francisco de Biana e Isabel García).

Después de algunas investigaciones encontré el bautizo de la novia en Aguascalientes, Aguas. Pero solo el bautismo, no hay hermanos y hermanas o el matrimonio de los padres.

pregunta:
1. ¿Dónde buscarías a Luis de Salinas si es de CIENEGA? No estoy segura si podría ser Cienega de Mata (Lagos) o la región de Cienega (en Jalisco). Ya busqué en Familysearch (films normales ya indexadas)

2. Por el lado de la Novia (Biana / Viana) era de ACATEPULCO, en otros documentos de la familia se menciona a TENASCO. Es muy posible que a esta familia este relacionada NICOLAS MAYORGA VIANA (también era de Tenasco o su madre). ¿Dónde los debo buscar?

Cualquier informacion la agradeceria mucho

gracias de antemano

Susana L

Hello,
Does anyone have an index for the Padrones de México, 1752-1865? The index is found in films # 1149544 & 1224506.

The reason I ask is because there are 39 rolls and I'm looking for Calvillo and Jalpa (and the Juchipila/Huejucar areas in general).

I had looked at the 1792 padron (film 1520345) for Aguascalientes, but was disappointed to find that it seemed to miss a lot of people from Calvillo. So I thought it would be worthwhile to look at the other films to see if there might be more information. Hopefully someone will have the index to guide me to the correct film.

Thanks,
Arturo

PS. Here's some background information on the 1791-1793 census (source:
http://www.fsu.edu/~guadalaj/english/censuses/censuses.htm#revillagigedo )

Revillagigedo Censuses (1791-93: 24249)

The crown's viceroy in Mexico, Count Revillagigedo II, ordered his intendants to draw up three census lists: 1) the tributary population--Indians and mulattoes, 2) all eligible, "useful" men, meaning those who would be subject to military service in the colonial militia, and 3) a summary of the total population by ethnic and occupational categories. The third census project was undertaken under the authorization of the viceroy-appointed visitador, José Menéndez Valdés between 1791 and 1793. It encountered 24249 individuals, including the two "Indian" barrios of Analco and Mejicalcingo. Unfortunately, although the aggregate figures have survived, the manuscripts on which they are based have not.

The so-called "military" census, however, has survived in manuscript form. Since this census was taken to provide a list of eligible (útiles) men for the city militia, no data on Indians and mulattoes were gathered, since they were not ineligible. Nonetheless, the census did survey all households headed by Spaniards, Castizos and mestizos, and obtained data on all individuals in those households, including name, age, ethnicity, occupation, marital status, social status (don or not) and physical condition of the "utiles" men, as well as the names of their spouses, children, employees and apprentices, renters, orphans and slaves. Auxiliary information on names of streets and types of residences was also gathered. For example, the manuscript lists 210 stores, of which 49 were commercial or retail outlets and 152 "tiendas públicas" meaning houses or shops where masters, journeymen and apprentices lived, worked and sold their products in the traditional fashion.

Hola todos,

I came across this post by "Soy Arandas" on Facebook which piqued my interest. After reading it, I just figured it's an old ghost story told in and around Arandas. Considering the story mentions a Ouija board being used in the 1700's, easily discredits the story, as Ouija boards were created in the late 19th century. Although, methods of communication with the spirit world are allegedly centuries older. I digress.

The ghost story however, mentions the Aranda family, and the Hernandez-Gamiño family. The story tells about the first house in Arandas proper, "La casa de la alcantarilla", belonging to the Aranda family.

Do we have anything that suggest that this was truly the home of the Aranda family?

I've copied it below for your enjoyment:

NOS COMPARTEN ESTA HISTORIA, ¿HABÍAS ESCUCHADO DE ELLA?

El Ente.

Todos saben la historia de la famosa casa que está en Arandas. Ubicada en la calle Martínez Valadez #63. Siendo la primera casa de Arandas, pero con una gran y triste historia. Esa casa nadie ha podido vivir en ella ya que en ella habita un ser maligno, un ser que vino desde lo más profundo del inframundo. A partir de 1761, ya existía una casa en lo que actualmente es Arandas, Y pertenecía a las sritas Arandas, en el cual daban refugio a las primeras diligencias de Guadalajara león. Pero las Arandas, tenían un cruel secreto, eran practicantes de la magia negra. Era una noche de invierno del 1 de noviembre del año de nuestro señor de 1780. Cuando una de las señoritas, decidió llevar unas de sus famosas secciones de espiritismo, Gente vecina, de las rancherías aceptaron la invitación , como los Hernandez Gamiño. Siendo las 3.33 am. Una de las srita se arrimó a los invitados y les dijo. La sección va empezar, y los invito a un cuarto que en el cual tenía en una mesa, con un mantel negro y una tabla ouija, cinco velas negras , y una lechuza parada en una orilla del cuarto. El objetivo de la sección era invocar a sus difuntos que lamentable mente descasaban en tierras lejanas en España. Durante la sección, una de las srita empezó a comportarse muy extraño, hablaba una lengua poco común, y sus ojos se desorbitaron poniéndose en blanco. Un mensaje dejo a todas las personas que estaban ahí, Invocaron al señor amo de las tinieblas, rey de reyes y me quedare en esta propiedad hasta la llegada del verdadero mecías. Todos se quedaron asustados y perplejos. Al pasar los años las sritas fallecen sin dejar familia. Y la casa es comprada por un habitante de Arandas, que tan solo le duro el gusto 15 días, ya que al no salir de ella un familiar entro a la casa y lo encontró con una biblia en las piernas. Y en el cuarto se encontraban hojas de mas biblias como ropa rota y el dueño de la vieja casona riéndose sin sentido alguno. El familiar al tomar la biblia de las piernas de su pariente, leyó un pasaje que decía, "El que toque un cadáver y no se purifique debe ser eliminado de Israel" (Números 19:11-13). Al siguiente día encontraron al dueño, ahorcado de una vieja vija. La casa duro muchos años sola y al finalizar la última década del siglo XIX, Fue comprada por una familia de Guadalajara. Los Cortez. Los Cortez tenían una hacienda muy productiva en lo que es actualmente Tlajomulco, pero la desdicha le encontrarían aquí, Una noche cuando dormían, la hija más pequeña de la familia despertó, muy asustada y fue llorando a los cuartos de sus padres, diciéndoles que el niño no lo dejaba dormir y que , le decía que tomara el crucifijo que colgado a espaldas se encontraba y lo quemara, El señor Cortez se levantó y tomo su revólver, para revisar la habitación , al llegar a la obscura habitación se llevó la sorpresa de su vida , al ver un infante de unos 10 años con una jugaba con una pelota, pero su sorpresa fue al ver que sus extremidades, eran patas de cabra, y una voz muy ronca y áspera le decía . Jugamos. Jamás se supo de la familia Cortez, tan solo se sabe que huyeron a Guadalajara y dejaron todo hay, La casa actualmente se encuentra abandonada , y ha tenido muchísimos dueños que la han querido rescatar, pero lamentablemente no han podido , por EL ENTE, que las mismas sritas Aranda, trajeron de lo más profundo del inframundo. Cuanta la leyenda que aquel valiente que exactamente a las 3.33 de la madrugada, entre a dicho domicilio y rece completo un padre nuestro , liberara el alma de, las sritas Aranda, que penando se encuentra por su herejía, pero si no puede terminar el padre nuestro , será otra almas más del ente y vagara en tinieblas por siempre.

From the moment I started researching the history of Aguascalientes, I realized that most of the large haciendas owned by our ancestors were land grants (mercedes de tierras) awarded by the Spanish crown to the early settlers and those who participated in que conquest of Mexico. Land grants were intended to promote agriculture, cattle breeding and mining in the area.

What I would like to know is where documentation on the early land grants is archived. Is it at the Archivo General de la Nación in Mexico City, at the Archivo Histórico de Nueva Galicia in Guadalajara, or at the Archivo General de Indias in Seville? I would like to know if Lope Ruiz de Esparza's "Estancia de Morcenique" was a land grant or if he actually purchased it from someone else. Lope was one of the early settlers of Aguascalientes. Other haciendas and ranches of interest are "San Bartholome" (aka San Bartolo) owned by Luis Tiscareño de Molina, Estancia de "El Agostadero" owned by Pedro Fernández de Vaulus, Labor de Chapultepeque" owned by Miguel López de Elizalde, "San Lorenzo" owned y Juan Bautista Ponce, "San Gerónimo" owned by Gerónimo de Orosco, "La Ciénega de Xiconaque" owned by Christóbal Lozano, Labor de "Los Gallos" owned by Pedro Macías Valadez, "Estancia de San Jacinto del Rincón" owned by Vicente Zaldívar y Mendoza, "El Picacho" owned by Salvador Ruiz de Esparza, etc. etc.

Any information will be greatly appreciated.

Bill Figueroa

I found an interesting article titled “Presencia Judía en Los Altos De Jalisco”. The article explains how many of the first Spanish settlers in Los Altos De Villanueva, Nueva Galicia had some Jewish ancestry. Although I agree with its take on the Jewish roots, it is off base when it explains that our French ancestry comes from French soldiers in the 1900’s. Most of my French ancestry comes from the original settlers who not only had some Jewish ancestry, but also carried with them some French ancestry. In fact as in the case of Toribio Hernández Arellano, the French and Jewish lines were one and the same. In the case of my Reynoso ancestry we find an ancestral line that links to the royal family of France. My father’s dna shows he is 30% French while my mothers dna shows 14% French.

The article also states that many of the first settlers came from Sevilla. There were many Italians in Sevilla in the 15th century which helps account for my mothers dna showing 18% Italian. My dad’s dna only shows 3% Italian. All four of my grandparents descend from the founding families of Los Altos De Jalisco.

Here is the link: https://diariojudio.com/opinion/presencia-judia-en-los-altos-de-jalisco…

Rick A. Ricci

I’ve done some research of Alonso de Arevalo and Beatriz Lopez de Ayala who settled for a time in Colima. I've read several books referring to this couple. It lists the three children by this marriage as Pedro (Born abt. 1538), Gonzalo born abt.1540) and Diego (Born abt. 1541). One book even lists another son Francisco however his name does not come up again in any other accounts. These books with many articles provided much detail of about their lives in Colima but no information of the son Gonzalo’s marriage. Pedro who it appears did not marry was the oldest and along with a half-brother inherited most of his parent’s estate. According to written accounts when Pedro died he left no heirs.

So my question is how does this Gonzalo Lopez de Ayala directly link to the Pedro Ortiz de San Pedro and Maria Esquivel couple?

I’ve poured over the valuable information many of our group has contributed to revealing and linking the Arevalo and Lopez de Ayala family to Pedro Ortiz de San Pedro and Maria Esquivel. However I would appreciate any assistance to reconcile my understanding of the descendancy of this couple especially as it relates to a forum post, dated back on 07/22/2010.

Therein it was stated: Pedro Ortiz de San Pedro was the son of Juan Ortiz de San Pedro (Native of Toledo) and Catalina Lopez de Ayala. Pedro married Maria Esquivel and had daughter Cecilia Lopez who married first Hernando de Haro followed by Felipe Dias de Santiago. This post also mentions another Gonzalo Lopez de Ayala the “Maestre de Campo” for Nuño Beltran de Guzman who in 1529 initiated a campaign in the areas of Colima, Tepic, Jalisco, Michoacan etc. The same post lists Pedro’s brothers respectively as Gonzalo (el Mozo) and Jeronimo Ortiz de San Pedro.

It’s my assumption neither of the Gonzalo’s mentioned here is the son of Alonso Arevalo and Beatriz Lopez de Ayala based on the timeframe of Gonzalo de Lopez’s participation as Maestre de Campo.

Additionally I’ve reviewed a document “Relación de la Entrada de Nuño de Guzman” authored in 1529 by de Guzman’s appointed scribe and interpreter, Garcia del Pilar of this campaign. It mentions the Maestre de Campo, Gonzalo Lopez several times never using the de Ayala surname. This Relación also precludes the possibility the son named Gonzalo born to Alonso Arevalo and Beatriz Lopez de Ayala is the Gonzalo referred to a “Maestre de Campo” are one and the same.

Thanks in advance. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Gus Meza

It makes me sad that a lot of my ancestors from Tamazula came from Cotija and I can't find anymore information.

In this case my ancestor was from Sahuayo according to his marriage record, it also mentions that they received a dispensation from the Bishop.... it must have been from Guadalajara, but I can't find anything on that year on the dispensations page nor their IM (Informacion Matrimonial) which would probably have the information on the relatives.

Any information you guys may know or have is appreciated

The persons in question are:

José María Oceguera 963L-Z3J​​
Marriage: 07 MAY 1849
San Francisco,Tamazula De Gordiano
Maria Lorenza Alvarez (o Arreguin) Contreras K26Y-287

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-PGYW-Q?i=463&cc=1874591

Cheers

Could someone please transcribe the attached text after the entry of Manuel Sanchez and Juliana Sepulveda in this civel birth registration. Manuel and Juliana are the "grandparents"

thank you

This may be old news to some of you but for me and maybe others, I've
located a YouTube site that might be able to help the novice, such as myself,
new to trying to read old Spanish archives. Here's the link:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCB1ioAHLX1ORfTg41mCzRyQ

Let me know if this is of use to any of you.

Jesse

Hi all,

Does anyone have any information regarding the surname Medrano in San Francísco Cerro Gordo, or Atontonilco?

I've just made a connection with a 3rd cousin through 23andMe. My great grandfather was Silviano Medrano born in 1904 in Jalisco, married to Maria Vazquez. I found out his father was Sixto Medrano, born in 1870 in Jalisco, married to Albina Medina.

My 3rd cousin's GGrandfather was Albino Medrano. They also had another brother named Mucio Medrano. My 3rd cousin says her grandfather was Mayan Indian and Chichmacan. This leads me to ask where they would have gotten the surname "Medrano" if this were the case.

The surname Medrano has Spanish origins. It even seems to be sort of an uncommon surname. Does anyone know the origins of this surname in this area?

Thanks!