Hi everyone,
A very kind person here introduced me to the informacion matrimonial records. If I have a date and place of the marriage, how do I find the IM record if it's not indexed? In other words, was there a mandatory waiting period before they got married? Should I start looking in the records one year before the marriage, six months before the marriage, two months before the marriage?
Thank you,
Cindy
Hello,
I'm having problems extracting all the information from a record of Tierra y Aguas.
The record in question is the title of "SITIO DE MESQUITE" in Jerez, Zacatecas. The documents explains the following:
1. First owner Miguel Caldera (22 oct 1592) that gives the property to his "yerno" Juan de la Torre Valdes (15 feb 1630)
2. Years later the document mentions the children and heirs of Juan de la Torre. MANUEL, PEDRO, DIEGO AND SEBASTIAN WITH JUANA GAMBOA
3. the last owner was Pedro Carlos de Godoi and JULIANA de la Torre (26 sept 1718)
QUESTIONS:
1. Is it possible that Juan de la Torre (married to Ysabel Caldera) is actually the same Juan de la Torre that years later married Juana Gamboa Villalobos??
2. Pedro Carlos de Godoi mentioned in the document I think is one married to JUANA DE LA TORRE. Am i right?? I can't find another Pedro for those years
Please read the document and tell me what you think. I believe it is an important document
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDL-69K8-B?i=109&cat=…
Thanks
susana
Hi everyone, my name is Cindy Pesqueda Roberts and it's very nice to meet you. I found this group when I happened upon the Mexican Genealogy Facebook page, and I am so thankful for these groups. I began doing a little genealogy research several years ago, but started actively doing more after our oldest son bought DNA kits for us for Christmas. It is so addicting. I try do some research any chance I get, but it's never as often as I'd like. I've gotten quite a few names on all my branches but just recently decided to go back and concentrate on my paternal line and confirm that everything that I have is correct before moving on. I'm also trying to fill in a lot of missing pieces. I believe that our surname was originally Esqueda and if I'm correct, it changed to Pesqueda sometime between my great-grandfather, Andres Pesqueda (b. abt. 1874), and my great-great grandfather, Rafael Esqueda/Pesqueda (b. abt. 1828). I'm still trying to find more documentation to confirm (or deny) this theory. According to my father, his siblings, and his cousins, the family was from Los Potreros and Aguascalientes. I have not been able to find Rafael's birth/baptismal record or Andres' marriage record. If anyone could point me in another direction of where to find these records I would be ever so grateful.
Thank you for allowing me to be a part of this group. And thanks in advance for any information, guidance, and support you can give.
Hi, Cindy,
If you go to Google Maps, type in the name of the place, including Mexico
and it will come up.
Ed Nissen
On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 2:22 PM
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Hola prim@s,
Here are some of my notes regarding Lorenzo Alvarez and Augustina de Viera, which I thought I’d share here.
Found at PARES/AGIS:
Indiferente General/MERITOS: Diego Flores de la Torre
Fecha: 1674-7-16
Relación de méritos y servicios del bachiller Diego Flores de la Torre, arcediano de la catedral de Guadalajara, hijo del licenciado Diego Pérez de la Torre, gobernador y capitán general de Nueva Galicia, y de Ángela de Velasco.
Código de Referencia: ES.41091.AGI/23.15.195//INDIFERENTE,201,N.1
This folder is a goldmine: 144 pages regarding the Flores de la Torre and associated lines. Included are transcriptions of older documents, in legible script and in pristine condition. If you’re related, I recommend it. Genealogies begin on image 77. Some of the associated names are:
-Hernán Flores.
-María Suárez de la Torre.
-Ángela de Figueroa.
-Francisco de Figueroa.
-Mariana Bañuelos.
-Juan Ramírez de la Campaña.
-Francisco de Orozco.
-Juan Arias de Valdés.
-Sancho de Rentería.
-Francisco Rodríguez Ponce.
-Juana de Bocanegra.
-Diego de Bocanegra.
-María Verdugo de los Ávalos.
-Antonio Sarmiento.
-Francisco de Ayllón.
-Fernando Caro.
Relevant to thread, are the actos del cabildo of the Villa de los Lagos, dated 21 Feb 1569 (images 47/144-60/144). Present were “los magnificos señores” Pedro de Villa Saniel, Luis Lopez alcalde ordinario, Pedro Garniso, Diego Gutierrez Caram, Pedro Roman and Juan Vezerra, “Regidores Justicia e Rexemiento por Su Magestad.” At the time, there was no royal scribe, so they selected Juan Lopez as “escribano de Cabildo e Jusgado.”
The next part is dated 6 Dec 1569: before Pedro de Villa Saniel alcalde ordinario, and Juan Lopez escrivano; also present were Alonso Macias Balades and Melchor Vicente, vecinos de Lagos. This is a report on an entrada led by “el Muy Magnifico Señor Lorenço Alvarez, Vezino desta Villa, Juez de Comision Contra Los Indios Salteadores por el ilustre Señor Juan Baptista de Orosco, oydor y Capitan General deste Nuevo Reyno de la Nueva Galicia.” Summary: Capitan Lorenzo Alvarez had led an entrada against a group of Indians - highwaymen and “killers of Christians” (i.e., “Spaniards”). They entered an area called “Virgenes” and captured hundreds of Indians, along with a number of women and children who accompanied them. At the end of the jornada, Alvarez “repartio velas a los soldados” - he divvied up the newly captured “slaves” among the soldiers who participated, according to what each merited. There was a controversy about a “fulano llamado Pancho,” who some of the soldiers didn’t want there, so Alvarez told him not to go. Apparently, he went anyways, and though Alvarez didn’t distribute any slaves to him, Don Lorenzo Padilla shared a portion of his slaves with him. To verify his report, Alvarez presented 3 witnesses - all soldiers who accompanied him on the entrada: Francisco Camacho 40, Antonio Lopez de Vergara 34, and Alonso Macias Valades 40+.
Wow, right? These cabildos were held just 6 years after the founding of Lagos, so this is first generation. There are some names that I’ve never seen before. This document would have been included to establish the pedigree of Diego Flores de la Torre, son of Hernan Flores cc Ana de Sandi; Ana de Sandi was daughter of Alvaro Carrillo cc Maria Alvarez de Sandi, and granddaughter of Lorenzo Alvarez cc Agustina de Viera. Their names are all mentioned in the genealogies.
Additional biographical notes:
- Luis Lopez alcalde ordinario was born around 1510 in Puebla de Montalban, Toledo, son of Sancho Lopez; his first wife was Maria de San Pedro, who died in Spain, and his second wife was Mencia Lopez, of Torrijos, Toledo, daughter of Juan Lopez cc Ynes Lopez. According to PARES/AGIS, Mencia Lopez passed to Indies in 1555 to join her husband, accompanied by his son, Juan Lopez (San Pedro), and their son, Gabriel Lopez, and this one’s wife, Luisa de Espinar y Piñon, and their child, Alonso Lopez de Espinar (age 2, later vicar of Lagos). I doubt if this is the same Mencia Lopez who was married to Francisco Lopez Muñiz, though they are likely related, both being from Torrijos, and since the latter’s granddaughter, Luisa de Nava cc Francisco Muñoz, was said to be a cousin of Alonso Lopez de Espinar.
- Juan Lopez escribano de cabildo might be Luis Lopez’s son from his first marriage, though it’s hard to say, since no second surname is provided; I’ve seen inquisition documents from this era on which he served as escribano nombrado.
- Juan Becerra: this is the first time I’ve seen him named as a regidor. Interestingly enough, his suegro, Toribio Hernandez de Arellano, isn’t listed, so this might predate when he served in that capacity (as early as Jan 1570).
- Don Lorenzo Padilla is likely the same who was married to Doña Mariana de Velasco.
LORENZO ALVAREZ
From Guadalajara Tierras y Aguas: on 15 Jan 1577, Doctor Geronimo de Orozco, president of the Real Audiencia de Guadalajara and governor of the Nuevo Reino de Galicia, granted to Lorenso Alvarez, resident of the Villa de Santa Maria de los Lagos, a “merced” of 2 caballerias de tierra, situated just west of lands that he already possessed.
Hi Everyone,
I'm trying to get in contact with Steven Francisco Hernandez (ElCapitanPaco). I think the messaging system here is not working.
If anyone could respond with this current email, I would really appreciated it.
Thank you,
Carlos
Potreros is in Jalisco.
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> George, thank you so much for the instruction on how to search the catalog
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> catalog on Family Search and figured out that if I had the film number and
> the date to search for, I could find the actual image of the record I was
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I have many Miramontes in my genealogy and have seen the surname Miramontes evolve to Viramontes beginning about the late 1800's.
Does anyone know why this happened?
Joseph de leon
Ancestry has updated DNA results. If you tested through Ancestry, you might want to check out your updated results.
I'm really happy to be part of this great community and I thank everybody that runs this website. My family comes from the small town of Ojocaliente, Calvillo in in the state of Aguascalientes. In Ojocaliente there are many people with the surname Loera and my research has proven that many of us are related .This area used to be called Valle de Huajucar or Huejucar.
I started my research about 4 months ago and it's been an amazing experience because to me it feels like I'm a lucky archaeologist who discovers a lost tomb and I'm the first one to see it in hundreds of years. I was very surprised to discover that both my grandparents on my mother's side and my grandmother on my father's side are related. All of them are descendants of Ricardo Loera and Barbara Gertrudis Lopez who were married, probably, between 1750 and 1770. It is very frustrating that I have not been able to find out who their parents were to continue my research and I hope somebody can help me on this. It was also surprising to find out that I'm related to the Fernandez de Palos from Aguascalientes.
Me siento muy feliz al ser parte de esta gran comunidad les doy las gracias a todos los que hacen este sitio posible. Toda mi familia es originaria del el pueblo de Ojocaliente en el municipio de Calvillo en Aguascalientes. En Ojocaliente hay muchísimos Loeras y he encontrado en mis investigaciones que muchos somos parientes lejanos. Esta área se llamaba Valle de Huajucar o Huecar antes de llamarse Calvillo.
Llevo 4 meses investigando y ha sido una experiencia maravillosa porque me siento como si fuera un arqueólogo que ha descubierto una tumba perdida y es el primero en ver adentro en siglos. Durante todo este corto tiempo he descubierto que mis abuelos del lado de mi mama tienen un ancestro en común y que también ese mismo ancestro en común lo tiene mi abuelita del lado de mi papa. Todos son descendiente de Ricardo Loera y Bárbara Gertrudis López quien se han de haber casado entre el 1750 y 1770. Es una lastima que no he podido encontrar quienes eran sus papas pues los únicos records que he encontrado en Familysearch son de sus hijos y nunca mencionan a los padres por esos años espero y alguien pueda ayudarme con esto. También he descubierto que soy descendiente de los Fernandez de Palos de Aguascaliente
Anyone else have these surnames on their pedigree? I've been finding that the name Guizar has been misspelled in documents about a hundred different ways...doesn't make it easy at all.
Hello everyone! My name is Angelica, I'm new here. Began researching my family roots about a year and a half ago now and have been regularly/actively working on my family tree. My Great Grandfather's line ultimately led me to Moctezuma II...which is why I'm here, to learn more and share more.
I'm also looking for my Macias family line since that side of his family has proven more challenging, and more difficult to decipher. My Great Grandfather was Higinio Saldivar (or Zaldivar in some documents) Macias who married Luciana Navarro Guizar. My Great Grandfather was born in Monte De Yanez, Nochistlan Zacatecas...everyone before him remained in that same area as well.
Here is the link to my file: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/AJaime76
Thank you all! And nice to "meet" you!
Pat.
Yes, what started all this on Juan de Villalpando and Ursula Olaes, is that in the Archives of New Mexico, there is a marriage for their son Juan Villalpando to Ana Maria Romero, June 2, 1694 in New Mexico. The record states that he was a native of "La Villa de Leon", and gave his parents names. He was a soldier at the presidio in Santa Fe.
Genealogists in New Mexico mistakenly put up trees that put the younger Juan as being born in Leon, Valladolid, Spain, but now we know that the Leon referred to was the one in Guanajuato. There is no record of births for the two Juans found yet, and records of the time did not always mention the grandparents. What is so interesting is that there are several Juan de Villa del Pando or Villalpando and several Ursula Olaes born in Valladolid, Spain, so those might be relatives or ancesteors.
Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
Hello family! Since we all share a lot of the same surnames/lineages on here, I'm curious to see how many of us share DNA on GEDmatch. My Kit numbers are KK6796917, AF6582473. My Dad's GEDmatch kit number is LM2514076. And my Maternal Grandmother's kit number is QW7849654.
My Maternal Great Grandmother was from Villa De Alvarez, Colima.
My Paternal lineage mainly Jalisco, Los Altos, Nochistlan Zacatecas, Zapotiltic, Zapopan, La Barca...
Let's see what comes up! :)
Hi Everyone,
I recently got the results of my ancestry DNA and I wanted to share the findings.
Ethnicity Estimate:
Native American—North, Central, South 37%
Southern Zacatecas
Southeastern Zacatecas
Eastern Jalisco, Aguascalientes & Western Guanajuato
Western Aguascalientes, Northern Jalisco &
Southern Zacatecas
Northwestern Jalisco
Western Aguascalientes & Southern Zacatecas
Spain 22%
France 19%
Portugal 6%
Ireland & Scotland 3%
Italy 2%
Native American—Andean 2%
Cameroon, Congo, & Southern Bantu Peoples 2%
European Jewish 2%
Senegal 1%
Northern Africa 1%
Mali 1%
Norway 1%
Basque 1%
The results named detailed areas (Zacatecas, Aguascalientes and Jalisco) where I have found the majority of my ancestors during my years of research, therefore I was happy with the results.
Two things jumped out at me, 19% France and Western Guanajuato.
Could this be a result of political maps constantly changing. I've never considered Guanajuato on familysearch as a source for my research. Also, I don't have an explanation for 19% France, other that the old kingdoms bordered each other.
Any thoughts.
Ruben
Fellow “Ranchos” members:
Years ago, while researching 1700’s death records in Aguascalientes, my eye was caught by an unusual entry which has haunted me ever since - so much so that I felt compelled to record it in a fictional fact-based story.
Although this particular entry concerns the Diaz-De Leon family of the Hacienda Peñuelas, it could easily have been about any other wealthy landowners of that time and place.
El Parbulito was written not to judge any particular individual or family, but rather to illuminate the separate reality of the disenfranchised, to give a voice and presence to the many nameless forgotten ones that we genealogists sometimes overlook or ignore in our eagerness and zeal to expand our own lines and generations.
For those interested, El Parbulito was recently published (September 2019) by the on-line Latino literary magazine Somos en Escrito, and can be found at somosenescrito.com. I’m grateful to the editor, Armando Rendón, for finding the story worthy of print.
Respectfully,
Gloria Delgado
Found an article in a newspaper from Encarnacion de Diaz dated 1973 written by Manuel J. Aguirre. He states that someone found some old papers that stated 2 brothers came from Spain in 1548 Pascual Romo de Vivar age 28 and Benito Romo de Vivar 25 yrs old. Pascual was Capitan de Infanteria del Colegio Militar de Castilla la Vieja and Benito, Alferez de la Real Armada de su Majestad el Rey asignado al barco capitan Albatros "3o". I have been trying to research the info in the article but have not found anything on a Pascual or Benito Romo de Vivar from that time period. Has anyone heard of these brothers? Both my husband and I descend from Diego Romo de Vivar.
Aurora De Anda Romo.
At what age did children do their confirmations?
Has anyone ever not found a baptism registration between 1845-1860 in Jalisco? I have been searching for one for my great great grandfather for about a year now and no luck. Does this mean they didn’t get baptized? I found his marriage church record so I’m assuming he had to be a catholic in order to get married in the church? I have search the surrounding municipals documents where it says he was originally from the surrounding neighbor.
Antonio de Mata y Rebollar is my Maternal (Martinez/Pena) 6th Great Grandfather. He was born about 1674. He married Rosa de Santos on 15 April 1695 in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico. Question: Is the "Iglesia Cienega de Mata", Ojuelos, Jalisco, Mexico, in anyway historical connected to Antonio Mata or his family?
Thank you.
Paul Gomez
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
I'm asking this since a few months ago i got my maternal grandma's mtdna results, which were c1c4. I was a bit surpised since i previously thought cecilia was full spanish(the mtdna indicates otherwise). Besides that when i was researching cecilia, i couldn't find much about her mom besides her name. I would like to figure whether it was cecilia's mom or grandma that was full amerindian and whether they were native to tlaltenango or somewhere else.
hi everyone hope all is well ! i have moved off to colorado springs and we've got over 10 inches of snow and supposed to get more lol. happy halloween or dia de los muertos to everyone. im back to now researching my lines of families and now im starting to research my husbands side of families. having a bit of problem regarding maria josepha gomez and she had married juan jose ramirez. their child maria ramona ramirez was my 5th great grandma. looking for their parents so i can continue this lines of family. we do know at this time that maria ramona ramirez married a juan adanto sanchez who in turn had alejo or i perceive him to be known as alexo sanchez. marriage for them was in 1814 tlaxacala, mexico. got a few brickwalls that ive got to overcome and thanks for the help and do stay warm .
I have searched extensively but so far am unable to locate documents for my paternal Great-great-grandfather Barbaro Soria, although I have found his children, which gave names of his father and grandfather. The Soria family settled in the areas of Moyahua, Juchipila and Nochistlan, in Zacatecas, Mexico. I am familiar with the origins of the Soria name but cannot make a specific connection from Mexico back to their native Spain. They may have settled Central Mexico by way of the Gulf, or through South America, and maybe even from the Pacific side. I have been searching ancillary records such as day-by-day "defunciones," however, specific records in my searches are either missing for those particular years I wish to search, or are in "desorden" and offer no starting point. I wonder if anyone has connections to people in the area who could direct me perhaps to other church records I may not have seen. Perhaps even burial records in Moyahua, Juchipila and Nochistlan. I would welcome any new information.
My Grandfather, Juan Soria was born at El Ranchito, in Juchipila, 11 Feb 1888. His maternal side, Villalobos, has deep roots in Nochistlán. His father, Teodocio, was born at Mesquituta, in Moyahua, Zacatecas, 26 Mar 1867. I found no documents for Teodocio’s father, grandfather, or great-grandfather, names respectively: Barbaro Soria (wife – Sostenes Luna), Juan Soria (wife – Justa Estrada), and Antonio Soria (wife – Rosalia Portagal Rodriques).
I found 2 more that I would kindly like some feedback on...some of the words just arent clear to me...thank you!!
First doc citation at the top of the page..
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c302/1traviesa/marriageunabletoread1p…
Second doc citation at the bottom of the page...
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c302/1traviesa/Ursuladeolaesmarriaget…
does anyone know what it means when they put "viuda" before a persons name??
For years, I have been trying to find a link between my Luis Herrera and the above referenced couple. Success - I found a birth certificate where it indicates he is the son of the above couple, one where many of us can trace our roots.
Now the question for the group: Luis Herrera and his siblings were born in el rancho las Aviles located - I know it's in Tlaltenango, because that was where the jurisdiction was from. It appears my earlier ancestors were from this rancho before they settled in Los Aguajes - a ranch east of Cicacalco, which is south of the town of Tlaltenango.
