New to the Site

Hello. I am new to the site and want to introduce myself. I am researching my family lines from Zacatecas. One of my great grandparents was born in Concepcion del Oro and came from a family of miners. I have hit a brick wall on that line and cannot find any information beyond my 4 great great grandparents. I have another family line from Coahuila that I have traced back to Zacatecas in the 1700s to Mazapil and surrounding areas. I have hit a brick wall there, too. I know I will break through my brick walls eventually. I am excited to be a part of this group and look forward to learning more that may help me find my ancestors.

LOMELIN - Ocotlán

Hello: Is there anyone out there who is a male who descends from these ancestors ?:

A. Jose Manuel Lomalin (Becerra) B: Circa 1754 Ocotlan
B. Jose Cayetano Lomelin (Perez) B: April 26, 1780 Ocotlán
C. PEREZ- Juan Antonio Perez de Vargas G: 3/17/1738

I would greatly appreciate it. Our family has been told for generations that our great grandfather was not a Perez, but a Lomelin. It would be helpful to find someone who depended from these ancestors.

Thank you,

S. Medina Perez

What is a rancho in Mexico?

Since my grandparents came from a "rancho", but died too early to share their experiences or descriptions in Mexico....I always deduced that a "rancho" was a parcel of land that usually had "animales" - like ganado, horses, goats, sheep. That was my experience from my family's northern roots (Nuevo Leon/Coahuila) where I have fond memories of "roughing" it at the family rancho. Great fun, really.

But when I visited the "rancho" where my mother's family was from (near Las Moras - in Aguajes - within the jurisdiction of Tlaltenango, Zacatecas), I discovered that the definition of "rancho" changed from large parcels of land where animals were raised to super large parcels of land that is harvested for food. Such an "aha" moment for me....in fact, I was able to see the same home where my great great grandfather was raised - and witnessed that it is still a working farm.

Background for the group: Los Aguajes is a 10-20 minute car ride from Cicacalco - a small town that is considered to be predominately indigenous (at one point). In fact, as one enters the vicinity of Los Aguajes, one has to go through "Las Moras" - but as one goes into Los Aguajes - one learns that part of its' lands belong to the indigenous people of Cicacalco.

A question for the group: Is there a way we can find out any historical information on these "ranchos"? Who were the land grands given to originally? Did the Mexican constitution affect the land owners of these ranchos like the haciendas?

cisneros families

looking for parents of jose maria cisneros or sisneros who married maria dorotea luna . he was born in 1797 jalisco, mexico. child was maria simona cisneros / maria dorotea lunas parents are maria de los santos and jose atilano luna

Abraham González Casavantes 1864-1913

Hello again after some time!

This post is to ask for help especially to those who have studied the González de Hermosillo lastname.

In my notes I have this Abraham González Casavantes (Governor of Chihuahua, Mex. And Vicepresident of México) as a González de Hermosillo, descendant of my 7th grandparents Juan Antonio González de hermosillo and Gertrudis Gómez Rendón Álvarez Tostado.I have his line as follows:

Juan Antonio
Antonio Gervasio bap 24-jun-1725
José Joaquín
Paulino Gonzalez Morán cc Guadalupe Martínez de Mendívil
Abraham Gonzalez Mendívil cc Dolores Casavantes Domínguez
Abraham Gonzalez Casavantes.born in Guerrero, Chihuahua 1864

I guess I got that line from geneanet but there are no sources and I recently saw that in Wikipedia there's a small statement that claims that his father was from a small town in Santander, Spain, while I have that Paulino González Morán was born in Teocaltiche, Jal.

Has anyone done some research about it?

Thanks.

Revista Hidalguía número 154-155. Año 1979 Rodrigo Fernandez Trevino

Hello all,

I am a new poster :D and I am really excited to join the group. I am so impressed with everyone here and the dedication to research.

I was reviewing Pages 402-403 of "Revista Hidalguía número 154-155."~ Año 1979 to determine how current research from Don Diego De Velasco de Tremino who married Dona Francisca Alcozer de Banuelos connects with this family branch on these pages.

Here is the link:

https://books.google.com/books?id=dn_bD89G1FAC&pg=PA403&dq=Diego+Fern%C…

Any help with this would be greatly appreciated.

Hello everyone

Hello everyone yes I am a newbie, Please allow me to begin by saying thank you for letting me be apart of your on growing website. I look forward to working with everyone. Just an FYI to everyone...I'm sorry to say... this will be my first attempt at posting on this forum....So please forgive me if I didn't get it right...I'm still learning...how to swim in the deep water...However, I'm sure I will get the hang of it real soon... Just drop me aline letting me know what I did right or wrong so I can correct it....ASAP...again thank you...I look forward to chatting with y'all

Hello everyone

Hello everyone yes I am a newbie, Please allow me to begin by saying thank you for letting me be apart of your on growing website. I look forward to working with everyone. Just an FYI to everyone...I'm sorry to say... this will be my first attempt at posting on this forum....So please forgive me if I didn't get it right...I'm still learning...how to swim in the deep water...However, I'm sure I will get the hang of it real soon... Just drop me aline letting me know what I did right or wrong so I can correct it....ASAP...again thank you...I look forward to chatting with y'all

Municipalities to find towns, cities, communities and villages in the States

Hi everyone,

I found this great site to find towns, cities, ranches in states. I use this a lot when reading ancestry documents from family search and ancestry to figure out where my family members came from as well as when I can't find documents from one municipal I go to another one near by the ranch or city.

https://en.mexico.pueblosamerica.com/

I hope this can help others.

Esther

Degollado Ties

I recently learned that my mother's family came from Degollado, not La Barca as previously thought. Many members here have been helpful and supportive in the past so I wanted to post this update and hope for some possible links. The names I am now "researching" are: Bravo, Tinoco, Rizo, Ponce, Santana. These surnames are all on my mother's side and in the Degollado area mid to late 1800's.
Many Thanks,
Michael Lopez Bravo

India laboria

Hi all,

In this passage does anyone know what the term india laboria means?

En el Pueblo de Santa María de los Angeles de Rio Blanco, se levantó la información de Francisco de Villanueva, español, soltero, narural del Pueblo de San Cristóbal de Gualahuizes del Nuevo Reino de León, y residente en este de Santa María de los Angeles de Rio Blanco de trece meses a esta parte, hijo legítimo de Marcos de Villanueva y de María de la Mancha; con Michaela de Soto, india laboría, natural y vecina de este dicho pueblo, hija legítuna de Juan de Soto y de María Ventura.

Paige

Maternal Grandparents

I am searching for my grandfather Rito Gonzales or(Gonzalez) born in vetagrande Zacatecas Mexico. Mother Tomasa Ramirez, father may be Antonio Gonzalez. Possible brothers Enrique and Marcos.

Also searching for my grandmother Leandra Castaneda. Mothers name may be Cecilia I don't know the maiden name. She was born in vetagrande Zacatecas Mexico. Unable to find any information on either grandparent. Can anyone help.

Juchipila padrones

Can anyone tell me if they have found any more padrones for Juchipila? I know of the 1819 and 1824 census records and I have searched those and found some pretty promising information but due to the lack of records for Juchipila before 1840, I was hoping to find more padrones. I am searching for records on the Castaneda family around that area, particularly a Rafael Castaneda, married to Simona Flores. Before searching the Juchipila and Moyahua padrones, I had no idea who Rafael's mother and father might be, but now I believe they may be Vicente Castaneda and Lugarda/Leogarda de Aro. This family was in the Moyahua census records in 1818 and then again a couple of years later, however this time, Lugarda was now a widow. Then they were all missing from the next Moyahua census BUT I later found Lugarda de Aro and some of her children in the 1824 Juchipila census (Rincon de Animas), including her 22 year old son, Rafael, and they are listed near a Flores family, including their 19 year old daughter, Simona. AND they are also listed just above another young Flores male married to a Castaneda female with the same name as a sister listed with Rafael while they were still living in Moyahua. It makes me think that maybe Rafael eventually married his sister's sister-in-law. So maybe brother and sister were married to a brother and sister. But they would have been married and starting their family in Juchipila during a time that Juchipila's records are missing. Eventually there are records listing them as grandparents in Juchipila, Moyahua, and Mezquital del Oro, but I am hoping to find that one record that tells me THESE two people (Rafael and Simona) did marry each other and if so, they are probably my great, great, great grandparents. I still have hope i will find a later Juchipila census that shows them married. Those census records also make me think Vicente Castaneda was the brother of Manuel Castaneda, married to Antonia Nunes in Moyahua. And their parents may have been Manuel Castaneda and Antonia de la Torre. I put that out there to hopefully find someone searching for the same family.

HELP TRANSLATING DOCUMENTS

Hello,

I am asking for help translating this document from the Family Search Guadalajara Marriage dispensations. Microfilm 168605, Guadalajara Dispensas 1700-1705, Image 312, # 223.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-DJLN-W?i=312&wc=125126…

This document is from 1702, about Nicolas de Escamilla from Aguascalientes. I am trying to determine if he is or is related to my my ancestor, Nicolas Joseph de Escamilla who married Michaela de Lomeli and then Maria Quiteria de Alfaro Perez in Jalisco. His son, Juan Manuel de Escamilla married Maria Quiteria de Alfaro Perez in Ayo el Chico in 1727.

I am not able to read or understand the document.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,
virginia Carrola

AGUASCALIENTES: Protocolos 1607-1608

Hola prim@s,

These are the protocolos of Domingo Hernandez Cordero, escribano nombrado of Aguascalientes. I think Jaime Holcombe mentioned these in his Cartas. At the time, Geronimo de Aguayo was Alcalde Mayor, and Juan Lopez de Lizardi was Alcalde Ordinario. Here are a few entries and my notes.
Enjoy!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

On 11 Aug 1607, Juan Garcia de Santa Ana remitted his testamento. I post this here, as a continuation of the denuncia against him, that I posted here at NR. Witnesses present were Padre Tomas Ruiz and Pedro Fernandez de Valdus. From what I can tell, Juan Garcia and his wife, Francisca de Castro, had no children, which is why we’ve never heard of them in genealogy circles.

Note: Padre Tomas Ruiz used to be the vicar of Villa de Lagos, back in the 1580-1590s; he was the one who brought accusations against his predecessor, Padre Alonso Lopez de Espinar, which I posted in another thread in this forum. He was also accused of “solicitante.” It appears he never left Los Altos.

On 11 Aug 1607, Gabriel Sanchez and his wife, Isabel Sanchez de Lara, residents of Aguascalientes, sold to Maria de Frias, widow of Pedro Gonzalez, a house, for 500 pesos. The house was located along the camino real, going towards Zacatecas, and included 2 parcels: one alongside, and the other nearby, used for cultivating wheat. Interestingly enough, though Isabel Sanchez couldn’t sign her name, when a witness in the process against Padre Alonso Lopez, some 15 years before, she was able to sign her name here!

On 13 Sep 1607, Juan Lopez de Lizardi (or Lizaldi - looks like an “r” in his signature. Anyone?), alcalde ordinario of Aguascalientes, sold the house in which he then lived, to Pedro Fernandez de Baldus, resident of Aguascalientes. The house, or houses, because apparently, there was more than one, were next to the lots owned by Nicolas Ramirez (my ancestor, twice). At the same time, he also sold Fernandez an estancia de ganado menor (sheep and goats), with its cavallerias de tierra (pastures), located about a half-league outside of Aguascalientes, “in a place called la Barranca, on the Cuisilco River, where it fed into the Morsenique River.” He sold the houses, estancia and land, for 250 pesos, which Fernandez paid in refined silver. I had read that Fernandez owned an hacienda called El Agostadero; I don’t know if this is the same hacienda.

On 02 Oct 1607, Alvaro de Ornelas and Gabriel Lopez, as his creditor, vecinos de la Villa de los Lagos and presently in Aguascalientes, signed a promissory note for various quantities of pesos, owed to Diego Muñoz. I descend from Alvaro de Ornelas’ daughter, Leonor de Mendoza cc Martin de Aguirre.

On 08 Oct 1607, Maria de Frias, widow of Pedro Gonzalez, leased the house and 2 orchards, that she had bought from Gabriel Sanchez & Isabel Sanchez de Lara, to Pedro Hernandez (de Vaulus), for 1 year, at the cost of 30 pesos. Looks like Pedro Hernandez (as he signed his name) was expanding. I descend from 2 of his daughters, Maria de Siordia cc Luis Medina and Petronila de Siordia cc Juan de Padilla. I should note that on this and on the previous document, Pedro Gonzalez’s name appears to be scratched out. Though I could make out a Pº Gˢ, I couldn’t be sure, until I saw him and Maria de Frias mentioned on the denuncia against Juan Garcia de Santa Ana! I wonder who he pissed off?

On 29 Nov 1607, Maria Rodriguez, resident of Aguascalientes, and widow of Juan de Montoro, remitted her testamento before Geronimo de Aguayo, Alcalde Mayor. She named as her albaceas Padre Tomas Ruiz, and Francisca de Castro, wife of Juan Garcia de Santa Ana, and her 5 children as her heirs: Juan Montoro, Cristobal Montoro, Mari Rodriguez, Ana Rodriguez and Ysabel Garcia. She mentions that she was a cofrade of the Cofradia de Nuestra Señora de Guadalupe in Ciudad de Mexico, which might place them in that city, before they migrated to Los Altos. I descend from their son, Juan de Montoro cc Catalina de Ayala. Maria Rodriguez and Juan de Montoro were founders of Aguascalientes, 25 years before Jamestown, and 300 years before Little House on the Prairie. Just sayin’

On 12 Dec 1607, Agustina de Viera, widow of Lorenzo Alvarez, and her son, Juan Alvarez, agreed to pay merchant Juan de Burgos 382 pesos y 7 tomines; 285 pesos & 2 tomines, which were owed him by Lorenzo Alvarez deceased, and the other 97 pesos 5 tomines, for clothing and other items, sent from his store to their hacienda. One of the testigos is Alvaro Carrillo, her son-in-law. I descend from Alvaro Carrillo cc Isabel Alvarez.

On 10 Feb 1608, Cristobal Loçano gave power of attorney to Juan de la Fuente, resident of Zacatecas. This one is a hard read. I descend from his daughter, Isabel de Islas Martinez Lozano cc Diego Delgado el Moso.

Pedro Flores de la Torre and Juana de la Torre Acosta

Hellos,

I'm looking for any information regarding PEDRO FLORES DE LA TORRE and JUANA DE LA TORRE ACOSTA. I have read conflicting information regarding his "parents" PEDRO FLORES DE LA TORRE AND CLARA GONZALEZ DE MIRAMONTES. According with MARIANO LEAL theis son PEDRO got married with MARIA RAMIREZ DE VALDIVIA not JUANA DE LA TORRE. Comments?
Help!

Thanks

sus

who is correct parents for jose domingo cervantes

hi im starting to overlook my tree and get back to working on it. the area im looking closely at is jose domingo cervantes his marriage bann was found to be in cinega de mata mexico as of 1798 to maria terrones and several children were listed. people have thought that his mothers name was known as juana but at this time i have yet to find a maiden last name or even a father for him as he is my 6th great grandfather.i have attached the childrens names as follows:Spouse & Children

Maria Nieves Terrones

1780–
Maria Rita Cervantes

1794–
Jose Monico Cervantes

1799–
Maria Paula Cervantes

1801–
Maria Diega Cervantes

1803–
Maria Remigia Cervantes

1805–
Feliciano Cervantes

1806–1894
Maria Claudia Cervantes

1808–
Antonio Cervantes

1809–

if there is anywhere that im missing at in looking for his parents id be happy to know thanks everyone

Juan Colunga and Isabel Mendez

Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

Im looking for the parents of my ancestors Juan Colunga an Isabel Mendez
probly from Valle de San Francisco, San Luis Potosí where their children
married. i think they were born around 1680 or maybe a little earlier. im
hoping someone else in the group descends from them or has information on
them. thank you

Danny C. Alonso

Complete list of caste terms

After 9 years of working on records, I came across "coiota" for the first time today. Thanks to a Portuguese-language web site's footnote I now know that it means media-mestiza/media-india.

But I was surprised that it was so difficult to find the meaning online -- and that I could not find a complete list of all the different caste terms used in Mexico over the centuries.

Does anyone know if there is such a list online?

Blas Romo De Vivar Y Getrudis Ramires

I am looking for any information on Blas Romo De Vivar and Getrudis Ramirez. I have them married in 1761 with the Parents of Blas being Bartolome Romo De Vivar and Margarita Moran De Ledesma. The Only record of Bartolome is Birth in 1673. Many have used that person to claim as the parent but it doesn't match up with Blas approximate age and date of birth. Does anybody have reasearch on thise person to clear that up?

ranchos map

Hola primos,

I happened to find this website while doing research. it's map website where it shows all the pueblos & ranchos of Mexico. The closer you come in the more ranchos pop up. This is exciting for me. I now see how far the various pueblos & ranchos are from my ancestor's original town.
I think this is a great tool. I hope you feel the same way.

https://mapcarta.com/es/20300186

Andelmo

RESEARCH AREAS

I am researching the Escamilla family of Jalisco and the Noriega family from Zacatecas.

Jose Paulin Escamilla was born about 1740, Marriage records show that he was born in Ayo el Chico or La Barca, Jalisco. His parents are Juan Manuel de Escamilla Maria Perez I have not been a able to find his birth record.

Pablo Noriega son of Joseph Laureno Noriego and Maria de los Nieves Rodarte married Marcelina Urista daughter of Juan Miguel Urista and Antonia Palencia lived in Noria de Angeles, Zacatecas.

Any information that would help me with my research would be greatly appreciated.

Virginia