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Hola Fernando,

Es posible que falta informacion de la otra iglesia porque no existia antes
de 1921? Yo he estado estudiando los bautismos de Cuquio en microfilm y lo
que yo he visto que los que muchos de los que nacian en Cuquio los
bautisaban en la Iglesia San Felipe de Cuquio, Jalisco. Por lo menos eso
puedo asegurar desde el año 1830 para atras. La Iglesia de Ixtlahuacan del
Rio se fundo a partir de 1800 y muchos de mis antepasados empesaron a
bautisar a sus hijos en Ixtlahuacan, ya que los Ranchos en donde vivian
estaban en medio de Cuquio e Ixtlahuacan.

Saludos,

Maria E. Cortez

Leticia:
>
> Ayer estuve en el Family History Center, y ya orden? unos films, pero me
> d? cuenta que que solamente tienen informaci?n de una de las iglesias del
> pueblo y falta informaci?n de la otra, por lo que la persona que est? ah?
> asesorando me aconsej? que buscara en la Di?cesis a la que pertenecia en
> este tiempo las iglesias de Cuqu?o, as? que ahora estoy investigando a ver
> como estaba la organizada la estructura de la iglesia en Jalisco entre los
> a?os de 1845 al 1920, porque a partir de 1921 paso a pertenecer a la
> Arquidi?cesis de Guadalajara.
>
> Saludos
> Fernando P?rez
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: arturoramos
> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Friday, December 1, 2006 1:00:48 AM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Trip to Jalisco and Zacatecas
>
>
> I will be heading down to Mexico again in a week. I will be there for a
> whole week, but a large part of it will be consumed with wedding details of
> a close cousin of mine.
>
> However, if there is something that someone wants for me to take down or
> bring back that will not be too cumbersome or troublesome I would be more
> than glad to oblige. I will be in Guadalajara and my grandparents' town of
> Villa Guerrero, Jalisco which is very close to Tlaltenango, Zacatecas.
>
>

I have found also the word "comparecio," preceding someone's name and
translate that to mean: appears (person's name), meaning they appear before
the judge. So, in a particular civil record, it would say in such and such
town (En el Ciudad de --), on such and such day (a los cinco dias del mes de
--) , before such and such judge (ante mi --), appears Jose Salazar
(comparecio Jose Salazar). Anyways, that is what I have been translating it
as, comparecer, meaning to appear and comparecio, meaning he appears, so "el
compareciente" would tranlate literally as "the appearing," or the one
appearing before the judge. They also might write "se presente" before the
person's name, which literally translates as "presented himself," meaning
"presented" and the name of the person who was presenting himself before the
judge.

I have also come across the term, "exponente," before someone's name, which
is a legal term, translating easily as "exponent," but not so easily in
meaning. The legal interpretation for many of the terms in civil records
can be found in law dictionaries. Accoring to such a dictionary, an
"exponent" is an advocate or the one who goes before the judge on someone's
behalf. In civil birth records, the exponent can be the father of the
child, but not always, and it can be a friend or close relative of the
family, but not always. Later in the record, it may state the father of the
child is the exponent, but sometimes it doesn't and merely says who the
mother is, particularly if the child is an "hijo/a natural, though I have
also found records that give both parents names for an hijo/a natural.

A lesson learned: Not only have I found it wise to hold off drawing any
conclusions about a particular ancestor from these records, but I have found
it helpful to read other records on the same microfilm, in order to see if
the names in my record of interest are also in other records involving
people completely unrelated to my ancestor. When I do see names given
repeatedly in other records I then deduce that they may have worked in the
courthouse and were called upon to act as witnesses, etc. for a number of
cases. Gathering as much information as possible on any given ancestor
without making any assumptions about them, simply stating what I have found,
is what I have very painfully learned to be the wisest course of action in
my research, especially if it involves sharing what I have found with other
family members who are quick to draw premature conclusions and do not let
them go, despite repeated, frustrating attempts at correcting them!

Corrine Ardoin

Hi everyone, I have finally submitted some reports,
they're not much, but it's a start=) I have mostly
obtained the info from census, marriage, baptism, etc.
films from the family history library. I may be going
to Mascota during 2007, so if anyone has any tips on
what would be most useful (I'm guessing that going to
the church would be a good place to start??), I would
really appreciate it! This is the link to my reports
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15362
Thanks for everyone's help!

Lavaniya Jimenez

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...here is a link to my photos album, which I will be adding to today. We have a couple of Posadas to attend, so I will post some of those too. I will be adding some photos of our reccent outing for the perfect "Flor de Pena" for all of our "navedenas."

Just wondering how many of ya'll have this custom still being here in the United States? Are there any other customs that you have from your past, that you keep going within your family for this Christmas season? Like all the "mujeres" getting together to make the homemade tamales and of course, all the "placticas" don't hurt either.

During this time, I will be adding many more names of all the new family members born thru out the year. My family doesn't even realize I take very good genealogical notes during such occasions. Just curious about others "traditions" is all. Hope to add lots more research after I get the rolls that I have on order at our local LDS center.

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>
> Hello Welester,

The book I have is titled "Fundadores de Nueva Galicia". Perhaps your
friend was referring to another book by Garmendia Leal. I believe he has
authored others. I checked my book and I see some Alvarados on page 30, but
they are from Guadalajara. I purchased my book through Borderlands
bookstore and I believe they still have some of Mr. Garmendia Leal's
books available.

Maria

> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> > [mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Lester
> > Alvarado
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 11:07 PM
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Garmendia Leal
> >
> > Hi Maria ,
> >
> > That's the second time in two days that I heard the name Garmendia Leal
> , I
> > was at a book release yesterday in Monterrey , Mexico where the Board of
> > Education had a ceremony of thier new book titled " Municipios de Nuevo
> Leon
> > sus Simbolos , Cultura y Conocimeinto . One of the genealogist there
> > mentioned to me that in the Garmendia Leal book he saw several
> Alvarado's
> > dating back to the 1600's in Villa de Santiago in the state of Nuevo
> Leon .
> > If you have the time could you check this out for me please .
> > Where did you get the copy ?
> >
> > Thanks ,
> > Welester
> >
>

Soy Celestino A Villalobos, un miembro nuevo de "Nuestros Ranchos" Tal vez la desicion de Joseph Puente, de cortar la membresia de todos aquellos que no han presentado alugunas lineas de sus genealogias en "Nuestros Ranchos", es muy drastica, tal vez sea la persona menos indicada para hablar sobre el tema, lo que si se es que todo tiene una razon de ser. Como nuevo miembro he revisado casi toda la lista de miembros con sus archivos genealogicos y en verdad me han impresionado, como algunos de sus miembros han echo un gigantescos esfuerzos al trazar sus lineas de sus antepasados, y uno de ellos naturalmente es el mismo Joseph Puentes, y otros que sobresalen en sus investigaciones tambien, lo que representa largas horas de dedicacion durante dias, semans,meses y años un esfuerzo constante y conciente. Movidos por sentimientos y fuerzas mas haya de nuestra comprension. La mayoria de la informacion en los archivos de "Nuestros Ranchos" en lo personal a mi no me ayuda en nada,
aparte que mis contribuciones tampoco son de gran ayuda para el grupo. Tengo mas o menos unos dos años trabajando en las linea de los Villalobos, y ya he identificado a 12 de mis antepasados atras en el tiempo, quisiera poder encontras mas informacion, pero yo se que tal vez no la encuentre en ninguna parte, si yo mismo no empiezo esa busqueda, puedo darme cuenta que tal parece que soy el unico en la busqueda, y no voy a esperar a que alguien mas haga este trabajo, porque tal vez sere el unico con los recursos y las habilidades para hacerle, y quedarme sentado me haria sentir muy culpable. Puedo notar que una gran mayoria de miembros de nuestros ranchos, todabia no saben lo que se toma, para habanzar en sus lineas, ya sea por el mismo trabajo que absorve la mayoria de nuestro tiempo, o porque no somos muy dedicados en este trabajo de historia familiar, hacer un esfuerzo pobre nunca nos va a llevar al exito, o tal vez tengas que enfrentarte con la esposa, y te diga o tus
muertos o yo! y que todabia tengas el valor de decirles, bueno pues me quedo con mis muertos, esta es la clase de determinacion que debemos tener ante este trabajo tan gratificante. Por otro lado, tambien puedo notar que algunos cinco miembros o mas, estan reteniendo informacion, que seria de mucha ayuda especialmete para mi, puedo notar que han hecho avances dentro de sus lineas, y las estan cuidando celosamente, y no es que este pensando en mi, sino en mis antepasados, es cierto que hay que dar para recivir, pero si doy y no recivo, no parece que tenga mucho sentido, es posible que dentro de nuestros ranchos existe uno que otro miembro asi,y tal vez con algo de razon, pero nunca sabran del amor de un corazon agradecido, cuando reciben de los benefiicios de la informacion de aquella persona. Es muy posible que algunos de los miembros del gurpo, se sietan desanimados porque sientan que no progresan en sus investigaciones, es por eso que no comparten sus genealogias, pero
dejeme decirles una cosa, que dentro de no muchos años con la tecologia que tenemos tan avanzada, nuestros esfuerzos dentro del grupo sera recompenzada, el grupo sera mas fuerte, sus miembros estaran mas especializados en historia familiar especialmente en el area de Jalisco, Aguscalientes,y Zacatecas. Dentro de no mucho tiempo gozaremos de ricas fuentes de informacion como las hay en los Estados de Nuevo Leon, Coahuila, Tamaulipas y Texas, de donde los antepasados por el lado de mi abuela madre de mi padre, vivieron de donde he hecho una investigacion que me llena de mucha gratitud especialmente a todos aquellos que se especializan en genealogia, y han contribuido grandemente en este trabajo, como el Sr. Rodolfo Gonzalez de la Garza por nombrar a uno. Esta en nosotros, que los que vienen atras de nosotros sigan nuestros pasos, en una manera segura, y con un espiritu de trabajo y dedicacion como una gran familia, porque nos daremos cuenta que en realidad somos una gran
familia, hasta la vista primos. Demostremos a Joseph Puentes, que nuestro interes por formar parte de nuestros ranchos, no es para tomar ventaja del grupo, ''sino todo lo contrario''.

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Howdy Joseph,

I have been working with several members of the Mormon church and one of them is in charge of a Family Search Center , yesterday he lent me a copy of births in the town or pueblo of Juchipila , Zacatecas the years are 1871 to 1884 . The film and batch #'s are 1156151 (f) and 64671-2 (b)

I'm gonna start to read them this coming week so , if there is anyone with family there I'll be more than happy to check out the names for you .

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For the genealogy of the Vicente Zaldivar that came to COahuila/Nuevo Leon see my gedcom on this site.
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-------------- Original message from Lester Alvarado : --------------

> Hello Ernie ,
>
> Maybe you could help me here , I am trying to connect my great great grandmother
> her name is Quirina Saldivar Gomez to Vicente de Zaldivar in Zacatecas .
> Quirina's father was Juan Jose Saldivar . I believe that his father was from
> Saltillo , Coahuila from there I don't have anymore info . I have read that one
> of Vicente's son's came to Saltillo , I just don't know when .
>
> In the Archivos Historicos de Monterrey in the protocolos there appears the name
> of Saldivar here is what it says :Fondo: Ciudad Metropolitana de Monterrey
> (segunda

From: Robert Alegre [mailto:ralegre_2000@yahoo.com]
Date: December 14, 2006

Dear Colleagues,

El Universal announced yesterday that plans are in the
works to cut the AGN's budget by over 50%. The staff
that we have become friendly with and who have helped
us over the years would surely face layoffs as a
consequence. Cuts in services will surely make our
work more difficult.

If the news is accurrate, then I think we need to get
together--online, at the AHA, in our departments--and
figure out a way to petition the new administration to
reconsider the cuts. An alliance among scholars based
in and outside of Mexico might carry some weight.

I thought I would send this out to open a dialogue and
see if anyone had any ideas.

Rob Alegre
Rutgers U.

Hi Maria ,

That's the second time in two days that I heard the name Garmendia Leal , I was at a book release yesterday in Monterrey , Mexico where the Board of Education had a ceremony of thier new book titled " Municipios de Nuevo Leon sus Simbolos , Cultura y Conocimeinto . One of the genealogist there mentioned to me that in the Garmendia Leal book he saw several Alvarado's dating back to the 1600's in Villa de Santiago in the state of Nuevo Leon . If you have the time could you check this out for me please .
Where did you get the copy ?

Thanks ,
Welester

> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:04:46 -0800> From: mcortez3@gmail.com> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Banuelos Quesada in Huejucar Jalisco> > >> > Hi Marge, Esther, et al.> > > I am not researching this family and don't have any info on them. However,> I happen to have the book you cite below and thought you might be interested> on what's written on page 142 of the Garmendia Leal book cited below.> > The title of the chapter is: Descendientes de Diego Temiño. The first> generation listed is Diego Temiño de Velasco (R: 1474), born at España. He> married Fracisca de Alcozer (R: 1475) at España. Francisca, born at> España. Then, it goes on to list five children of this couple: Francisca,> Alonso, Baltazar, Diego and Mariana. VECINDAD: Fueron vecinos de Sevilla,> salen con sus hijos de España el 13 Junio de 1538 hacia Cartagena, pasan por> Mexico y llegan a Guadalajara, Jal. aprox. en 1543/44. Below that, is the> citation to the Bancroft Library manuscript Esther cites.> > Maria E. Cortez> > > > > ------------------------------> >> > Message: 21> > Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2006 17:28:06 +0000> > From: eaherold@att.net> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Banuelos Quesada in Huejucar Jalisco> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> > Message-ID:> > <> > 120920061728.9860.457AF2250005CDF80000268421602810600B04019D0A080E0A@at…> > >> >> > Content-Type: text/plain> >> > Marge,> >> > John Inclan references Guillermo Garmendia Leal's book on Nueva Galicia> > p.142. Guillermo in his book references two books, one in the Bancroft> > library, "A Guide to the Manuscripts of the Collections of Bancroft, Vol II> > Mexican Manuscripts Clave M-M1714" p 151. Then Guillermo also lists a film> > from the Family History Center in Salt Lake #0266637. Then there is another> > book "Biografias de Conquistadoews de Mexico de Guatamala" by Francisco> > Fernandez de Catsillo p. 59.> >> > I still hae not seen any proofs either way regarding Trevino's lineage> > only opinions. It is worth to try and check out the resources mentioned> > above.> >> > Esther> > --> > Esther A. Herold> >> >> > -------------- Original message from "M. Vallazza" :> > --------------> >> >> > > I'm interested in seeing your information, if you don't mind. Thanks.> > > Marge:)> > > On Dec 8, 2006, at 12:27 PM, juanita delgado wrote:> > >> > > > my family tree traces DIEGO de TREVINO, back 7. yes, 7 generations 2> > > > generations before 1384.All the generations have a surname of VELASC0.> > > >> > > > Just thought it might interest you, though you might have this> > > > information already.> > > >> > > > eaherold@att.net wrote:> > > > Again my source is John Inclan. I am inclined to believe that is a> > > > myth also. All I know that has been> > > > verified from records in Jalisco is that Francisca Alcocer died there> > > > and that the Banuelos families and the Trevinos are part of the same> > > > family.> > > >> > > > Marge, could you share your information that convinced you that the> > > > connection to Bernardino Fernandez Velasco is a myth? Inclan mentioned> > > > a lot of books which I have been tr ying to get on interlibrary loan.> > > > THese books deal with early colonists in Mexico.I still think there> > > > are worthwhile looking at. He mentioned books at various sites where> > > > he has been posting the Trevino lineage.> > > >> > > > Also many people list Lenor Ayala as the mother of Ana Trevino the> > > > daughter of Jose Trevino.> > > > According to a recent paper by the archivist of General Escobedo that> > > > came out earlier in the year, Ana Trevino was illegitimate. She was> > > > born in Zacatecas. There is no mention of who her mother really is.> > > > The article is posted on the General Escobedo site. This means I have> > > > to continue my search as I am also descended from the Saens.> > > >> > > > Thanks,> > > > --> > > > Esther A. Herold> > > >> > > >> > > > -------------- Original message from "M. Vallazza" : --------------> > > >> > > >> > > >> It's a myth that Diego Trevino is descended from Bernardino Fernandez> > > >> Velasco. I once thought that he was, too! But when I went searching> > > >> for verification, it appears that he isn't. I'm a descendant of Diego> > > >> and Francisca so I was interested. Where did you get your info about> > > >> Francisca Alcocer being descended from Henry II and Eleanor of> > > >> Aquitaine? I'd love to know. Marge :)> > > >> On Dec 2, 2006, at 10:32 AM, eaherold@att.net wrote:> > > >>> > > >>> Are the Banauelos related tothe Trevinos way back in the 1500s? Some> > > >>> children of Diego Tevino and> > > >>> Francisca Alcocer took Trevino and others Banuelos? I think> > Francisca> > > >>> Alcocer died in Guadalajara in mid 1500s. SOme of her sons moved to> > > >>> Zacatecas city. Diego Trevino, the son for one. Children of> > > >>> DIego Trevino the son, Jose Trevino and his wife Lenor Ayala for one> > > >>> moved on to Monterrey around 1600. I am looking for veriffication of> > > >>> parentage of Diego Trevino, Sr and his wife Francisca Alcocer.> > > >>> John Inclan claims Diego Trevino decends from the Bernardino> > > >>> Fernandez> > > >>> Velasco, 3rd count Haro.> > > >>> Francisca Alcocer is said to descend from Henery II and Eleanor of> > > >>> Acquitiane through daughter Eleanor.> > > >>> --> > > >>> Esther A. 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Many in the group have already complied, but many have not. If you've
already submitted your genealogy just relax. . .you're a life member of
the Nuestros Ranchos group.

For those that haven't submitted their work I get a little nervous when
it comes time to remove members from the list. I wish everyone would
just buckle down and send in their representative genealogies showing
their connection to Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes.

This is the second to the last notice I'm going to send out. I'll
probably send out the last notice right after the new year. Then
suddenly on 01 Feb 2007 the group should show 30-50 less members. Please
don't let this be you. On that day or shortly thereafter I will be
deleting the memberships of all who have not done
one of the following things:

1) emailed moderator@nuestrosranchos.org with a request for the specific
amount of time you'll need beyond 31 Jan 2007 to submit your genealogy*.

*Note you might be a new researcher with very little or nothing to
submit. In this case you'll be able to meet this requirement by sending
in a short account of your family's "Oral History" relating your roots
to Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes.

2) send moderator@nuestrosranchos.org an email with your
"representative" tree showing your connection to Jalisco, Zacatecas,
and/or Aguascalientes. [Note: not your gedcom is not required, or every
document you ever discovered or your whole life's genealogical work,
just a simple "representative" tree showing your connection to our area
of research]

Please don't wait until the last minute. Email me soon so we can start
making up your folder in the private to members only area of the group.

joseph

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En Espanol:

Voy a mandar esta noticia otra vez, la ultima vez, en la primer semana
de Enero de 2007

*Aquellos miembros nuevos no deben de preocuparse con esto; la razon es
que ya reuni su "arbol representativo" el cual enseña su respectiva
conexion a la region de nuestra investigacion: Jalisco, Zacatecas y
Aguascalientes.*

*Por el momento existen 175 miembros con solo 105 geneologias remitidas,
esto da razon a que aquellos miembros sin remitir su geneologia personal
deben de hacerlo lo mas rapido que sea posible, ya que la fecha critica
del 31 de Enero 2007 pronto llegara. En este fecha empezare anular su
calidad de miembro con la **excepción de los miembros que han actuado de
la siguiente manera:***

1) Correspondido con moderator@nuestrosranchos.org
solicitando una extension más
allá del 31 de Enero 2007 para remitir su *"arbol representativo"**. El
correo electronico debe de contener el tiempo explicito necesario de la
extension solicitada.

**En el caso que usted sea nuevo a la investigacion con muy poco o nada
que pueda remitir, entonces podra cumplir con el requisito enviando un
breve escrito de la "historia oral familiar" que indique la relacion de
sus raices a Jalisco, Zacatecas y Aguascalientes.*

*2) Enviar a **moderator@nuestrosranchos.org
** un correo electronico con su
"arbol representativo" que explique su conexion a Jalisco, Zacatecas o
Aguascalientes. [Aclaración: Su archivo "gedcom" no es necesario; ni
copias de cualquier documento descubierto o su trabajo geneologica en su
totalidad, solo un "arbol representativo" que enseñe su relación a la
region]*

*Por favor no espere hasta el ultimo momento -- es urgente. Envieme por
correo electronico para formar su "carpeta de archivo" disponible
exclusivamente a "solo miembros".*

joseph
moderator@nuestrosranchos.org

===================

Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

Many in the group have already complied, but many have not. If you've
already submitted your genealogy just relax. . .you're a life member of
the Nuestros Ranchos group.

For those that haven't submitted their work I get a little nervous when
it comes time to remove members from the list. I wish everyone would
just buckle down and send in their representative genealogies showing
their connection to Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes.

This is the second to the last notice I'm going to send out. I'll
probably send out the last notice right after the new year. Then
suddenly on 01 Feb 2007 the group should show 30-50 less members. Please
don't let this be you. On that day or shortly thereafter I will be
deleting the memberships of all who have not done
one of the following things:

1) emailed moderator@nuestrosranchos.org with a request for the specific
amount of time you'll need beyond 31 Jan 2007 to submit your genealogy*.

*Note you might be a new researcher with very little or nothing to
submit. In this case you'll be able to meet this requirement by sending
in a short account of your family's "Oral History" relating your roots
to Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes.

2) send moderator@nuestrosranchos.org an email with your
"representative" tree showing your connection to Jalisco, Zacatecas,
and/or Aguascalientes. [Note: not your gedcom is not required, or every
document you ever discovered or your whole life's genealogical work,
just a simple "representative" tree showing your connection to our area
of research]

Please don't wait until the last minute. Email me soon so we can start
making up your folder in the private to members only area of the group.

joseph

===================

Joseph Puentes
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http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

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En Espanol:

Voy a mandar esta noticia otra vez, la ultima vez, en la primer semana
de Enero de 2007

*Aquellos miembros nuevos no deben de preocuparse con esto; la razon es
que ya reuni su "arbol representativo" el cual enseña su respectiva
conexion a la region de nuestra investigacion: Jalisco, Zacatecas y
Aguascalientes.*

*Por el momento existen 175 miembros con solo 105 geneologias remitidas,
esto da razon a que aquellos miembros sin remitir su geneologia personal
deben de hacerlo lo mas rapido que sea posible, ya que la fecha critica
del 31 de Enero 2007 pronto llegara. En este fecha empezare anular su
calidad de miembro con la **excepción de los miembros que han actuado de
la siguiente manera:***

1) Correspondido con moderator@nuestrosranchos.org
solicitando una extension más
allá del 31 de Enero 2007 para remitir su *"arbol representativo"**. El
correo electronico debe de contener el tiempo explicito necesario de la
extension solicitada.

**En el caso que usted sea nuevo a la investigacion con muy poco o nada
que pueda remitir, entonces podra cumplir con el requisito enviando un
breve escrito de la "historia oral familiar" que indique la relacion de
sus raices a Jalisco, Zacatecas y Aguascalientes.*

*2) Enviar a **moderator@nuestrosranchos.org
** un correo electronico con su
"arbol representativo" que explique su conexion a Jalisco, Zacatecas o
Aguascalientes. [Aclaración: Su archivo "gedcom" no es necesario; ni
copias de cualquier documento descubierto o su trabajo geneologica en su
totalidad, solo un "arbol representativo" que enseñe su relación a la
region]*

*Por favor no espere hasta el ultimo momento -- es urgente. Envieme por
correo electronico para formar su "carpeta de archivo" disponible
exclusivamente a "solo miembros".*

joseph
moderator@nuestrosranchos.org

===================

Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

Hi there Josie ,

I did a quick serch in www.familysearch.org and found 58 Liendos in Coahuila ..... 22 in Tamaulipas ..... 10 in Jalisco , also note that I found 0 in Zacatecas and 0 in Aguascaliente .

This does'nt mean that there aren't any in those states , like I said it was a quick search . If you want enter into the site clik on the International Genealogical Index , then clik on region ( Mexico ) clik on the state ( whichever you prefer ) .
Now , go to where it says First Name and put an asterisk * and where it says Last Name , put Liendo . Hope this helps alittle .

Welester

> From: josiett3@satx.rr.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 15:32:07 -0600> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] "Padrsn de poblacisn de Aguascalientes", compiled in 1792 by Felix Calleja> > My ancestor's testamento states he was "originario de Zacatecas" and that is> why I am assuming he was from the city of Zacatecas. It is very possible he> was from the area around Zacatecas (city) and that is why I am having such a> difficult time locating info on him. His name was Juan Antonio Liendo and> he married Catalina de la Rosa probably in the late 1600s. Their son (also> named Juan Antonio Liendo) left his will dated 1771 in Saltillo where he> states he was from Zacatecas. I have researched Liendos from the early> 1700s to the present and (from what I have researched and documented) they> all descend from this couple. There are a few Liendos that were in Autlan de> Navarro, Jalisco, a few in Durango and a few from Distrito Federal (Mexico> City) but the maj
ority wi
ll be found in Saltillo and Tamaulipas. There are> also a lot of Liendos in Peru, Bolivia, Argentina, Venezuela, Chile and> Spain. It is possible that my ancestor "got off the boat in Mexico" or> traveled from one of these other countries to get to Zacatecas and then went> to Saltillo and on to Tamaulipas and into Texas. > > I have a friend in Aguascalientes who told me she has seen the surname in> Morelia and Michoacan so I will see what I can find there. Since the name> is a rare one I keep any and all info I find on ANY document pertaining to a> Liendo.> > Any assistance is appreciated! > > Josie in San Antonio> > > > -----Original Message-----> From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> [mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of> eaherold@att.net> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 11:23 AM> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] "Padrsn de poblacisn de Aguascalientes",> compiled in 1792 by Felix Calleja> > Where in Z
acatecas
did you find you Liendos? What given names?> --> Esther A. Herold> > > > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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I was looking for my grandmother's civil birth record on microfilm for the
Guadalajara District, because my mother had said her mother was born in
Guadalajara on May 25th, 1907. However, I didn't find my grandmother's
birth record. My mother said that her mother's family, Alberto and
Francisca Martin del Campo, lived on a farm in Guadalajara and that was
where her mother was born. So, I just got my Jalisco map in the mail and I
have been checking for a listing of the municipios in Jalisco and see that
Guadalajara is both a city and a district, or municipio, all in itself. Am
I understanding that correctly? Like in California, San Francisco is both a
city and a county. So, now I'm thinking that, if they lived on a farm a
hundred years ago, that farm may not even be there anymore. It may now be
city. What I'm wondering is if cities in Mexico have city limits, like they
do here and, if so, I'm wondering if the Guadalajara city limits have been
expanded as the city has grown. What I'm trying to determine is that the
reason my grandmother's birth record was not in the Guadalajara district
civil registry, is perhaps because even though they lived "in Guadalajara,"
it may have been in another district, at least back in 1907 when my
grandmother was born. Would anyone know about this? My mother is going to
call her aunt to ask where the family farm was, but she may not know about
any boundary changes that may have occurred. I hope all of this makes
sense, basically I'm trying to determine which district my grandmother was
born in, so I can then order the microfilm for that one and, hopefully, find
her birth record in it.

Corrine Ardoin

How do you sign on? I can't seem to get past the form to be filled
out. It doesn't like my address or phone number nor my
identification. What should I be putting there?

Linda Romero

On Sep 4, 2006, at 3:29 PM, research-
request@lists.nuestrosranchos.org wrote:

> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 19:27:55 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Rose Hardy
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Archivos Espanoles En Red website
> researching
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
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>
> For anyone who is having a difficult time researching in and around
> Archivos Espanoles en Red. This is how I navigate around the site.
> I've been using the site for about 3 to 5 years now.
>
> http://aer.mcu.es/sgae/index_aer.jsp
>
> Signing on was difficult for me since I don?t read Spanish very
> well. I use Google and/or Babelfish for translating spanish.
>
> http://babelfish.altavista.com/
>
> Once you get your logon, and your on the site, click on "Busquedas".
>> From the next page go to the upper right hand corner-"Otros
>> Criterios de Busqueda", scroll down to "Contenido" and enter a
>> surname. You can click on "Anadir Contenido" as many times as you
>> need to in order to narrow down a search. I usually do two of them
>> and enter a surname and first name, or a surname and a location.
>> (remember to use different variations of spelling for surnames and
>> even the location name)
> You'll have to click on "Otros Criterios de Busqueda" again if you
> do two or more Contenido's. Because the expanded version
> disappears. Hit the Buscar button, the site won't let you hit enter
> on your keyboard.....in fact it'll give you an error. (I still get
> errors because I'm going too fast). If you get an error, just click
> on the back button on your Internet Exployer/ Netscape navigator.
>
> I tried Archivos y Fondos and found it wasn't as easy as what I'm
> used to doing.
>
> As an example: "Lope" on one line and "Ruiz" on the other line.
> Volla! Lope Ruiz de Esparza's passenger information appears on the
> first page.
>
> When the results appear and there is a green and red camera icon-
> those are the digital documents. I click on the red camera and the
> digital window appears which downloads the document. I usually
> multi-task and while I have the window up downloading the
> documents, I work on another search....The thing to remember is
> that if you click on another camera you override the previous
> digital information.....sometimes I get carried away and forget
> that I needed the previous digital information and have to go back
> to the results page again.
>
> I have saved several digital documents on my computer and they will
> save as JPEGS.
>
> I hope this informaton helps those new genealogist out there
>
> Rose Gonzales-Hardy
> Fresno, CA
>

Hi Corrine ,

My name is Welester G. Alvarado and Im trying to trace my family from Villa de Santiago Nuevo Leon back through Saltillo , Coahuila to Zacatecas . Any way the reason for this mail is to share with you a common thing in those times . My family starting with my father and going backwards were all white with blue or grey violete eyes and blond hair . This was I suppose the spanish in them . A lot of the mixed or mistizos alos had these looks .

My father is Manuel Alvarado , Almaguer , his father was Manuel Alvarado , Trevino and his mother was Maria Antonia Almaguer , Garza

My fathers grandfather was Jose Damian Alvarado , Saldivar his grandmother was Quirina Saldivar , Gomez

Anyway , like I said all of these people were white , blond haired and blue eyed .

My brothers and sisters are like 31 flavors we come in all sizes and colors ;-)

Welester

> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> From: corrine@ardoin.us> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 09:23:04 -0800> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Translation of Legend of the Yegua Rusa> > > I worked at translating the story of "Hacienda de la Yegua Rusa" and this is what I came up with:> > "A boy was abandoned on the steps of the "Hacienda de la Yegua Rusa" with very fine gowns in a small basket, and the boy had on a medal and very fine gowns and a note pinned, on which it said: this boy has already been baptized and his name is Martin, I ask that you never remove the medal for the rest of his life.> > The owners of the Hacienda were people already great in age and never had family (and possibly they thought that was the right place for the boy to grow up and if they wanted to be able to find him when he was grown).> > The boy grew and the families and the environment around him knew that the boy was not a descendant of the owners of the "Hacienda de la Yegua Rusa," so they began to say to the boy or to identify him when they spoke of him: "There goes Martin," and when they were asked which Martin, they simply identified him as "Martin, del campo" (of the Yegua Rusa), since the Hacienda was situated in an area that was big and surrounded by the beautiful countryside.> > This boy supposed that he was some accident of the royal family since he was white, fair-haired and blue-eyed and the gown was of very fine material and French lace, but accidents in families of high standing weren't considered good in those times, so the children were disowned and kept secret or given away but always had a pin to be able to give some day with the sons.> > This is the story of Martin del campo."> > Corrine Ardoin> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Where in Zacatecas did you find you Liendos? What given names?
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from "Josie T. Trevino" : --------------

> Hi Bill!
>
> Thanks for the quick response! Yes, the surname LIENDO is indeed a rare one
> and very difficult to find! I know for a fact that they were in Zacatecas
> in the late 1600s and very early 1700s but have yet to locate them. I have
> been able to trace it from about 1725 to the present time and am now
> concentrating on tearing down that brick wall.........but have had no such
> luck! :-) Any assistance you or anyone else out there can give me will
> certainly be appreciated!
>
> Josie in San Antonio
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> [mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Bill
> Figueroa
> Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 2:47 PM
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos]"Padr

Sorry, folks,

this bounced the first time I tried to send it.
----- Original Message -----
From: Emilie Garcia
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 12:40 PM
Subject: Legend of Hacienda de Yegua Rusa (in Spanish)

Corrine and Maria Elena,

Here is the story from a GeaNet posting.

Emilie

Date:
September 5, 2005 06:40PM
Frank te esta hablando tu tia Graciela .
Me ha dado mucho gusto encontrarte y yo te digo que la historia que yo tengo es asi :
( Esto sucedio al rededor de los anos de la inbacion Francesa, al rededor de l700....... )
Un nino fue abandonado en las puestas de la "Hacienda de la Yegua Rusa" con ropages muy finos en una canastilla ,
y el nino llevaba puesta una medalla y ropages muy finos y prendida una nota , en la cual decia:
este nino ya ha sido bautizado y se llama Martin, ruego que no se la quiten la medalla en el trascurso de su vida.

Los duenos de la Hacienda ya eran personas grandes de edad y nunca tubieron familia
( y posiblemente creyeron que era la parte adecuada para que el nino creciera y quisas pudieran reconocerlo cuando El creciera. )
El nino crecio y las familias y el medio ambiente que les rodeaban, sabian que el nino no era decendiente de los duenos de la" HACIENDA DE LA YEGUA RUSA," asi que al nino le empesaron a decir o identificar cuando hablaban de El ; " ahi va Martin, y cuando se preguntaban que Martin, facil lo identificaban con" Martin, del campo" ( de la yegua rusa), ya que la Haciebnda estaba cituada en una area que era grande y le rodeaba la belleza del campo .

Ese nino se supone que fue algun deslis de la fam. real ya que el nino era blanco, rubio y de ojos azules y el ropaje era de telas muy finas y encajes franceses , pero como no era bien visto en eos tiempos los deslices en las familias de alto rango asi que los ninos los desconocian a los ignoraban escondiendolos o regalandolos pero siempre habia una clave para poder dar algun dia con los hijos.
Esta es la historia de los Martin del campo .

Parese que la Hacienda famosa estaba situada en Lagos de Moreno, Jal., mas no me consta , pero yo tambien he investigado a cerca del origen de nuestro apeido y esta historia he encontrado. En Lagos de Moreno ,Jal. se construyo un puente que tiene una inscripcion que dice asi:" Este puente fue construido en Lagos y se pasa por arriba". Es curioso porque en aquellos tiempos las personas cominaban apie en burro o a caballo puesto que todo era cercano y a la orilla del pueblo habia un rio pero solo en tiempo de lluvias se llenaba de agua, asi que muy pocas personas eran las que crusaban el puente , se les hacia mas facil crusarse el arroyuelo a pie que ir a dar la vuelta hasta donde estaba el puente.

Este comentario te lo hago porque las personas pudientes de aquellos tiempos solian hacer sus fincas en un lugar alto y serca de un rio para proteger su sitio. y me parecio el mas adecuado porque parece ser que ahi fue la cuna de los Martin del campo, ya que era la parte mas acercada entre Mexaico y Guadalajara .

Frank espero estes bien y siempre los recuerdo saludos a tu esposa y los ninos y saludame a tu papa haber si se acuerda de mi.

I worked at translating the whole message that had been posted earlier and
there were additional bits of information that may be of interest to those
researching the Martin del Campos in regards to Lagos de Moreno. At the end
of the message, it says that they think the famous Hacienda de la Yegua Rusa
was located in Lagos de Moreno. Apparently, there is a bridge on the river
near there that bears an inscription: "Este puente fue construido en Lagos y
se pasa por arriba," which my crude translating skills says it means: "This
bridge was constructed in Lagos and-" Well, the rest is hard for me to get,
but literally it would be "pass it from above," or something like that.
Anyways, the discussion about this continues in the message determining the
historical background of the bridge in regards to the origins of the Martin
del Campo family of that region.

My mother recently spoke with her aunt, a Martin del Campo, who told her
that there are lots of Martin del Campos in Guadalajara and that it was
common to ask one another which Martin del Campos you were. This is where
the story of Hacienda de la Yegua Rusa comes into play. She said that her
family would ask of other Martin del Campos they happened to meet, "de la
Yegua Rusa?" and if they replied "yes," they would be so excited and happy
to have run into someone who was also a Martin del Campo de la Yegua Rusa
like themselves. She pronounces "Yegua Rusa," as "Yay-wah Roo-sah," and it
means Russian mare.

Corrine Ardoin

I have been in search of my husband's grandparents birth and marriage records. I recently found them on a Valle de Guadalupe baptism of Jose 1/15/1906, son of Juan de Alva and Trinidad Jauregui. Trinidad was my husband's maternal great aunt. It listed Julian Alviso as 40 years old and from San Miguel and Catarina Jaurequi as 28 years old, but I could not read her place of origin. I was unable to print a copy yet as the printing machine in the history center has been out of service. Hopefully when I am able to print a copy, I will be able to read Catarina's place of origin with the help of a magnifying glass. Well on with my question. I now know that Julian was born approximately 1865 in San Miguel. The problem is I have gone through the microfilm batch J603298 and Source # 0279429 for San Miguel 1862-1870. I had ordered the film and went though the records by hand individually. There is no Julian Alviso. Julian has a total of six brothers and sisters and all of them were baptized at San Miguel El Alto. I have found his sibling's records, but no Julian. I know that Julian and Catarina exist as I have found five of their children and they are listed as sponsors on other baptisms. This is becoming very frustrating. My question is if possibly the microfilm is not a complete record? Also, was there another church in the vicinity of San Miguel El Alto that possibly Julian may have been baptized? Any suggestions on my next step?

This Saturday, my husband Ramon and I will be flying
to Guadalajara. After a couple of days visiting with
family, we will head out to the Atotonilco el Alto
area of Jalisco. We have many relatives in the
villages of Margaritas, Santa Elena, San Joaquin,
Milpillas, and a family home in Santa Rita, Ayotlan,
Jalisco. I have done extensive research in these
areas and some in La Barca and Ocotlan. I am willing
to share information but so far have only seen one
person who seemed to have ancestors from Atotonilco el
Alto.

The family names I have been researching in the last
few years have been Aceves, Barragan, Garcia, Godinez,
Gutierrez, Huerta, Jasso, Lomelin, and Reynoso. I
enjoy reading all the information that everyone sends
and hope to continue seeing lots of new finds. In the
new year, after the holidays, I will send off a list
of the films I have on indefinite loan at the local
LDS Family History Center from the areas mentioned
above.

Happy holidays to all.

Patricia Diane LONGHURST de Godinez
AKA Patricia Burton

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