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> Busco voluntarios para terminar el Guia de Usuario de Nuestros Ranchos (espa?ol sigue abajo)
> Volunteers needed to finish Nuestros Ranchos User Guide
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> Thanks to the efforts of volunteers, we got the Nuestros Ranchos User Guide started and about halfway finished last summer. The project has been sitting gathering dust and I would like to get it completed as I think it will be very useful for the new members who are not familiar with all of the functions of the site. There is a Spanish and an English version. The outlines are finished, they just need to have meat put on the bones (along with some screen prints). Please let me know if you can help...
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> The missing sections are:
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> Section D.
> 7. Searching GEDCOM database
> 8. Using the Films database
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> Secci?n E. Account and File Maintenance
> 1. Updating your files (delete/reupload)
> 2. Updating your profile
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> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/14123
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> ==ESPA?OL==
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> Gracias a los esfuerzos de voluntarios, el verano pasado comenzamos y terminamos la mitad de un Guia de Usuario de Nuestros Ranchos. El proyecto quedo abandonado y me gustar?a terminarlo porque creo que sera bastante ?til para los nuevos miembros que no quedan familiarizados con las funciones del sitio Nuestros Ranchos. Existe una versi?n en espa?ol asi como una en ingles. Los esbozos quedan terminados y falta solamente a?adir texto (y algunas im?genes). Por favor dejenme saber si pueden ayudar con este proyecto.
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> Las secciones que faltan son las siguientes:
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> Seccion D.
> 7. B?squedas en la base de datos GEDCOM
> 8. Usar la base de datos de rollos de microfilmaci?n
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> Secci?n E. Mantenimiento de cuenta y archivos
> 1. Actualizar sus archivos (borrar/montar nueva versi?n)
> 2. Actualizar su perfil
> 3. Cambiar su nombre de usuario o contrase?a
> 4. Cambiar sus subscripciones de listas de correo-e
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> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:07:23 -0800 (PST)
> From: Fernando Perez
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Volunteers Needed - Busco Voluntarios
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> Sr. Arturo:
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> No se mucho de computadoras pero si en algo le puedo ayudar, me pongo a sus ?rdenes.
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> Atte.
> Fernando P?rez
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> Busco voluntarios para terminar el Guia de Usuario de Nuestros Ranchos (espa?ol sigue abajo)
> Volunteers needed to finish Nuestros Ranchos User Guide
>
> Thanks to the efforts of volunteers, we got the Nuestros Ranchos User Guide started and about halfway finished last summer. The project has been sitting gathering dust and I would like to get it completed as I think it will be very useful for the new members who are not familiar with all of the functions of the site. There is a Spanish and an English version. The outlines are finished, they just need to have meat put on the bones (along with some screen prints). Please let me know if you can help...
>
> The missing sections are:
>
> Section D.
> 7. Searching GEDCOM database
> 8. Using the Films database
>
> Secci?n E. Account and File Maintenance
> 1. Updating your files (delete/reupload)
> 2. Updating your profile
> 3. Changing your password/username
> 4. Changing your mailing list subscriptions
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> You can find the document at:
>
> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/14123
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> ==ESPA?OL==
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> Gracias a los esfuerzos de voluntarios, el verano pasado comenzamos y terminamos la mitad de un Guia de Usuario de Nuestros Ranchos. El proyecto quedo abandonado y me gustar?a terminarlo porque creo que sera bastante ?til para los nuevos miembros que no quedan familiarizados con las funciones del sitio Nuestros Ranchos. Existe una versi?n en espa?ol asi como una en ingles. Los esbozos quedan terminados y falta solamente a?adir texto (y algunas im?genes). Por favor dejenme saber si pueden ayudar con este proyecto.
>
> Las secciones que faltan son las siguientes:
>
> Seccion D.
> 7. B?squedas en la base de datos GEDCOM
> 8. Usar la base de datos de rollos de microfilmaci?n
>
> Secci?n E. Mantenimiento de cuenta y archivos
> 1. Actualizar sus archivos (borrar/montar nueva versi?n)
> 2. Actualizar su perfil
> 3. Cambiar su nombre de usuario o contrase?a
> 4. Cambiar sus subscripciones de listas de correo-e
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> You can find the document at:
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> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/14123
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Looking for some tech-savvy volunteers!

As you all know, Nuestros Ranchos is an all volunteer group. There is no cost to be a member largely because of this volunteer effort and Joseph's generosity in paying for the server space that the site rests on.

We would like to "spread the wealth" a bit with the maintenance and development of the website to make sure that it can stay up and running when one of us is not available.

The site currently runs on a content management system called Drupal and since it was built over a year ago, it is time for an upgrade. I am looking to upgrade the software of the site and the look/layout to make it easier to read and navigate.

In order to take on this task, I need a volunteer or two who is familiar with PHP and/or CSS and is willing to pitch in some of their spare time. There is no deadline for this project so it would be a help as you can basis. Please contact me if you are interested. You can do so through the personal contact form by clicking on my username below this message on the nuestrosranchos.org site.

Subject:
Navarro, DNA, Cepeda, Saucedo, Saravia
From:
victorianonavarro
Date:
Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:15:53 -0800 (PST)

To:
research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org

Hi, I'm looking for genealogical and biographical information regarding
Victoriano Navarro, his parents Domingo Navarro & María Encarnación
Cepeda, and his grandparents José María Navarro & Fernanda Saravia and
Rafael Cepeda & Rosa Saucedo.
Victoriano Navarro was from Ocotlán, Jalisco. He and his son José
Guadalupe moved to Coahuila.
On 1835 he married Victoriana Elizondo (widow, great-grandmother of
President Madero). They had three children: Ma. Refugio, Ma. Isabel and
Raymundo.
After Victoriana died, he married her niece Ma. Manuela de la Garza and
they had six children: Ma Isabel, Victoriana, Serapia, Luís Manuel (4th
Mayor of Torreón), Beatriz and Gilberto.
He died on 1873.
Y-DNA testing indicates this Navarro lineage belongs to Haplogroup
R1b1c, which originated among the Cro-Magnon men who populated Europe
about 30 thousand years ago.
I'd appreciate any information on these families.

Hola, estoy buscando información biográfica y genealógica referente a
Victoriano Navarro, sus padres Domingo Navarro & María Encarnación
Cepeda, y sus abuelos José María Navarro & Fernanda Saravia y Rafael
Cepeda & Rosa Saucedo.
Victoriano Navarro era originario de Ocotlán, Jalisco y se mudó a
Coahuila junto con su hijo José Guadalupe.
En 1835 se casó con Victoriana Elizondo viuda de Madero (bisabuela del
Presidente Madero)y tuvieron tres hijos: Ma. Refugio, Ma. Isabel y
Raymundo.
Luego de enviudar de Victoriana, se casó con la sobrina de ésta, Ma.
Manuela de la Garza, y tuvieron seis hijos: Ma Isabel, Victoriana,
Serapia, Luís Manuel (4º Presidente Municipal de Torreón), Beatriz y
Gilberto.
Murió en 1873.
Pruebas genéticas del cromosoma Y indican que ésta rama de la familia
Navarro pertenece al haplogrupo R1b1c, mismo que se originó hace unos 30
mil años entre los hombres de Cro-Magnon que poblaron Europa hace uso 30
mil años.
Agradezco cualquier información sobre éstas familias.

Hello Juanita,

You may have asked, but I have a hard time keeping up with my e-mail. I
subscribe in digest mode and sometimes miss things, or I just don't check
for several days and forget. I'm the one who needs to apologize!

Anyway, back to your question. I purchased my book through Borderlands
Bookstore. They are based in San Antonio, TX. Phone number (210)
432-6043. I don't know which libraries have a copy and would do
interlibrary loans, but I seem to recall Joseph has done Worldcat searches
for books. Perhaps he can help us out here. I think that catalog searches
multiple libraries at once and you can see which libraries have a copy and
proceed from there.

Good luck on your research!

Maria

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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:56:07 -0800 (PST)
> From: juanita delgado
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] To Juanita Delgado: Delgados in book
> "Fundadores de Nueva Galicia"
> To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
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> MARIA,
>
> HAVE I ASKED YOU THIS QUESTION BEFORE, IF I HAVE, FORGIVE ME.
>
> WHERE CAN I OBTAIN A COPY OF THE BOOK "CONQUISTADORES DE NUEVA GALICIA"?
>
> DO YOU KNOW IF I Can get it on loan thru my library?
>
> THANKS11111111
>
> JUANITA G. DELGADO
>

I have been trying to research Rancho Ojo de Agua near San Miguel El Alto and Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco. I am looking through the LDS film in the 1820-1832 births for San Miguel El Alto. A substantial amount of births are from Rancho Ojo de Agua. Well, in any event, I came across a paper that digs into the history of coffee production and other crops in Mexico, please see link below:

http://www.ic.nanzan-u.ac.jp/LATIN/1albagonzales.pdf

There are references to books used to research at the end of the paper. I thought it might be an interesting piece of history to share.

He estado tratando de investigar Rancho Ojo de Agua cerca de San Contralto de Miguel El y Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco. Examino la película de LDS en los 1820-1832 nacimientos para San Contralto de Miguel El. Una cantidad substancial de nacimientos es de Rancho Ojo de Agua. Bien, en todo caso, yo encontré un papel que cava en la historia de la producción de café y otras cosechas en México, ve por favor la conexión abajo:

http://www.ic.nanzan-u.ac.jp/LATIN/1albagonzales.pdf

Hay las referencias a libros investigaban a fines del papel. Pensé que quizás sea un pedazo interesante de la historia para compartir.

Maureen Bejar

Hi, I’m looking for genealogical and biographical information regarding Victoriano Navarro, his parents Domingo Navarro & María Encarnación Cepeda, and his grandparents José María Navarro & Fernanda Saravia and Rafael Cepeda & Rosa Saucedo.
Victoriano Navarro was from Ocotlán, Jalisco. He and his son José Guadalupe moved to Coahuila.
On 1835 he married Victoriana Elizondo (widow, great-grandmother of President Madero). They had three children: Ma. Refugio, Ma. Isabel and Raymundo.
After Victoriana died, he married her niece Ma. Manuela de la Garza and they had six children: Ma Isabel, Victoriana, Serapia, Luís Manuel (4th Mayor of Torreón), Beatriz and Gilberto.
He died on 1873.
Y-DNA testing indicates this Navarro lineage belongs to Haplogroup R1b1c, which originated among the Cro-Magnon men who populated Europe about 30 thousand years ago.
I’d appreciate any information on these families.

Hola, estoy buscando información biográfica y genealógica referente a Victoriano Navarro, sus padres Domingo Navarro & María Encarnación Cepeda, y sus abuelos José María Navarro & Fernanda Saravia y Rafael Cepeda & Rosa Saucedo.
Victoriano Navarro era originario de Ocotlán, Jalisco y se mudó a Coahuila junto con su hijo José Guadalupe.
En 1835 se casó con Victoriana Elizondo viuda de Madero (bisabuela del Presidente Madero)y tuvieron tres hijos: Ma. Refugio, Ma. Isabel y Raymundo.
Luego de enviudar de Victoriana, se casó con la sobrina de ésta, Ma. Manuela de la Garza, y tuvieron seis hijos: Ma Isabel, Victoriana, Serapia, Luís Manuel (4º Presidente Municipal de Torreón), Beatriz y Gilberto.
Murió en 1873.
Pruebas genéticas del cromosoma Y indican que ésta rama de la familia Navarro pertenece al haplogrupo R1b1c, mismo que se originó hace unos 30 mil años entre los hombres de Cro-Magnon que poblaron Europa hace uso 30 mil años.
Agradezco cualquier información sobre éstas familias.

I have just uploaded photos from my trip to Mexico last month. I have put them in the Albums section:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15543

There is a photo in there of the cornerstone of the first school in Totatiche, Jalisco which was opened in August of 1725 and apparently the teacher was an ancestor of mine by the name of Joseph Cayetano Grano.

There is also a photo of my father with the town historian (cronista) Estaban Valdes Salazar, to whom many of you donated money for his projects.

There are more photos (not necessarily of historical value) on my family website at:

http://www.ramosfamily.org/coppermine/thumbnails.php?album=22

I have extended my Esparza line in Zacatecas I have a Francisco Esparza (b. abt 1830) and his wife Maria Luz Avila (b. abt 1835) if anyone can help me please contact me at my email: mormonboy74@hotmail.com THanks.

>
> Hello Juanita,

Sorry for the length of time it took me to reply, but this book does not
have an index and I cannot do quick lookups. That is why I didn't make an
offer to the group and was only able to respond previously when the page
number was quoted.
Anyway, here is what I found:

Pages 6 to 7 - El Padron de Tetlan en 1541.
- DELGADILLO, Francisco. Natural del Val de Santo Domingo en Toledo. Hijo
legitimo de Pedro Cuadrado y de Maria Villaverde. Se caso con hija de
conquistador.

- DELGADO, Juan. Originario de Sevilla. Hijo legitimo de Francisco Moron y
de Maria Sanchez. Servia de Interprete. Caso y tuvo 3 hijos

Pages 132 to 133 - Familias de Tlaltenango 1626-1695.
-DELGADO FLORES, Juan, soltero, vecino del Teul, caso el 26 Marzo 1636 con
Maria de Saucedo, doncella vecina de Tlaltenango.

There may be names that I missed, because without an index, I could only
scan as best as I could without reading the book in its entirety. I hope
the above helps!

Maria

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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 08:22:15 -0800 (PST)
> From: juanita delgado
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] announce Digest, Vol 11, Issue 4
> To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
> Message-ID: <20061218162216.17069.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
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> HELLO,
>
> I SEE WHERE SOMEONE HAS A BOOK "FUNDADORES de NUEVA GALICIA" I BELIEVE
> ZACATECAS IS INCLUDED IN THAT AREA. PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY
> DELGADOS FOUND IN THAT BOOK. THEY WOULD BE FROM SAN MATIAS, PINOS,
> ZACATECAS. I GOT A LITTLE INFORMATION ON A JUAN DELGADO, BUT NOT ENOUGH. I
> AM LOOKING FOR FRANCISCO DELADO, BARTOLOME DELGADO.
>
> THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> JUANITA G. DELGADO
>

there seems to be some confusion both with the new members and the old
members so I am going to attempt to clear it up.

To be a life time member of the group all you have to do is submit a
representative tree _once_ (only once) and nothing else will be required
of you ever (and ever).

So I don't want you all to think I'm going to be asking for more and
more and more. Just meet the initial requirement and you're in, end of
story.

HOWEVER (however's are just like but's) however nothing says that you
all can't go wild and VOLUNTARILY upgrade and submit new files to your
folders. That is strictly on a volunteer basis.

On a related note I would ask you one favor please. If you have sent in
your genealogy and are now set for life then please wait until Feb 14th
or later before upgrading or submitting new genealogies. I'm going to
have my hands extremely full checking everyones folder and see who has
and hasn't submitted genealogies so I can be ready for the big cut on
Feb 1, 2007

I hope that clears things up. Also if you are unsure if you have or
haven't submitted a genealogy (hmmm) well here is how to find out: go to
nuestrosranchos.org and log in, then go to the files and under members
genealogies see if you have a folder in that long list. If you do the
click on it and see if you have a genealogy file/report in there or a
link to your online work. If you have something in the folder as in a
file or report you're set if not but have submitted a gedcom you're set.
If you haven't submitted a report/file and have no link to your online
work or have not sent in your gedcom then you're falling short of
meeting the requirement and will be unsubscribed on 01 Feb 2007

email me at makas@nc.rr.com if you have any questions but IF you know
you've submitted something just confirm it for yourself.

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

Dear Ranchos members,

Tomorrow the Northern California group of Ranchos is going on a Genealogical tour of the Bancroft Library in Berkeley Calif. Maria Cortez has made arrangements with the curator of the Western Americana collection for a tour, thank you Maria.

If anyone has a specific request or lookup, please let us know so we may put it on our radar. Sorry for the late notice, should have sent it sooner. We leave early in the morning, that means you must submit your request by this evening and we will try to accomodate your request.

Alicia Carrillo,
San Jose, Calif

On the subject of building accurate, easy to follow pedigrees:

The following is an excerpt from the latest newsletter from Pat Gooldy of Ye Olde Genealogy Shoppe in Indiana:

"One of the pitfalls in searching huge databases is the peril of finding a name and assuming that is the individual for which you are searching when indeed that gentleman is not the right age, not in the right place, and indeed, is not related to your fellow at all. That only leads to mythology, not genealogy, and many miffed and confused descendants wondering why they can not follow the scenario for the family you have built. You are building not a pedigree, but a nightmare for your descendants.

Genealogy means many small steps taken in the effort to build a pedigree. Each step must be tested in many ways to be sure it is not a mis-step. The larger the database, the more options you have, but also the more risk of making a mistake".

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ----

Test for Joseph

(Espanol sigue abajo)

I have noticed that many of the new members' genealogy files in the files section are not in a standard genealogy report format. That makes understanding the information very difficult and therefore takes away from the value of the group, which is to share information.

As this is a group for serious genealogy researchers, I think it behooves every member to understand and use (as much as possible) standard genealogy reports when sharing genealogy information. A good place to start for those that do not yet have sophisticated genealogy software (such as FamilyTree Maker or Legacy Family Tree) would be to dowload PAF, which is available for free from familysearch.org. You can download free user manuals from the site as well:

http://www.ldscatalog.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?cat…

Cindy's list has a comprehensive list of genealogy software along with articles that compare and review the software:

http://www.cyndislist.com/software.htm

== ESPANOL ==
He visto que muchas de las genealogias de los nuevos miembros en la seccion de carpetas de archivos no son reported estandares de genealogia. Eso resulta en que la informacion sea dificil de entender y a causa de esto disminuye su beneficio para el grupo, ya que no se comparte la informacion.

Como un grupo de genealogistas serios, yo creo que es la responsabilidad de cada miembro entender y usar (cuando posible) reported de genealogia estandares cuando compartimos informacion genealogica. Para aquellos que aun no tienen software de genealogia avanzado (tal como Family Tree Maker o Legacy Family Tree), seria bueno descargar el programa de PAF que queda disponible gratuitamente en familysearch.org. De ese sitio tambien se pueden descargar los manuales para el software:

http://www.ldscatalog.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?cat…

Cindy's list tiene una lista comprensiva de software genealogico asi como una lista de articulos que critican y comparan las varias opciones de software:

http://www.cyndislist.com/software.htm

!Hola! me da mucho gusto saber que existe un grupo tan animado buscando las raices de nuestros antepasados ,espero yo tambien poder contribuir en lo que pueda.Mi objetivo es poder hallar informacion de la siguiente familia;Justo Martinez(bisabuelo) Francisca Contreras (bisabuela),Dominga Martinez Contreras (abuela), Toribio Casas (abuelo).Dominga tuvo una sobrina llamada Maria de Jesus Martinez y su esposo Manuel de lara y ellos tuvieron un hijo en 1944 que se llamo Ramiro De lara Martinez.Que tengan mucho exito en su busqueda.Carlos s Casas www.nuestros ranchos.com/node/15508 Joseph contestando a tu pregunta ;creo que Temaxcal no era un apellido sino un pueblo y creo que por eso estaba escrito en la tarjeta que le mando su sobrina.hasta luego!!!

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Mickey was very kind to ask George Ryskamp for his input about Bill
Figueroa's question. He is very busy right now making preparations for a
trip to Spain and he said:

He would search the Argena Website, He said early land grants would be
under "Tierras". He thinks that you would find the info in both the
Argena, (Archivo de la Nacion) and Archivo de las Indias.

joseph

ps: thanks Mickey

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Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

Hi Patria & anyone interested in Ayotlan,
I have created a Ayotlan folder under Jalisco. I have posted 1 photo of Ayotlan so far and will be putting another 40 photos or so to share with all of you when I get an opportunity. These photos are from a trip that I took with my husband and my mother to Ayotlan back in 2004.
Yolanda

----- Original Message ----
From: Emilie Garcia
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 5:20:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ayotlan, Santa Rita, Jalisco

Patricia -

Thanks for that great article with all those photos. My husband's ancestors, the Villalobos, Morones, and Peres were from Ayo El Chico, now Ayotlan. I printed out the article and most of the photos for him.

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---
----- Original Message -----
From: patricia burton
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 11:07 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ayotlan, Santa Rita, Jalisco

Dear Group--

I came across this site on Wednesday--

http://www.stormlake.com/mexico/index.htm

which shows Santa Rita, Jalisco, where my husband was
born. Apparently a delegation of people came from
Iowa in 2005 to visit. I know that there are a few
people who are researching in Ayotlan, which is also
featured, so this might be of interest to them.

On our trip to Santa Rita in December, I took quite a
few pictures. If you would be interested in seeing
what the land looks like around Santa Rita and this
part of los Altos, send me an email at
canprin@yahoo.com.

Sincerely,
Patricia Diane Godinez
AKA Patricia Burton

While we are on the Gutierres or Gutierrez family, I have a question. Someone entered into the LDS site a Gregorio Gutierrez Jauregui born May 25, 1889 in Valle de Guadalupe to Teodoro Gutierrez and Petra Jauregui. However, no information was on the 2002 Ancestral file and the message on the record say no additional information is available. Does this belong to anyone in the group?

Other children born to Teodoro and Petra are:

Casiana b. 1884 San Miguel El Alto, Rancho La Mesa, married to Atilano Baragas and their children born in
Valle de Guadalupe.
Francisca b. 1888 San Miguel El Alto, Rancho Sobera
Enriqueta b. 1905 Valle de Guadalupe
Virginia ???? (her children born in Valle de Guadalupe and she was married to Espiridion Casillas)
Perfecta ??? (her children born in Valle de Guadalupe and she was married to Leon Casillas)

I am asking as Petra Jauregui is Catarina Jauregui's (possibly from Ojo de Agua?) sister. I estimate that Petra Jauregui and Teodoro Gutierrez were married in early 1880's in San Miguel, but have not found the marriage as of yet. Would love to hook up with the submitter of Gregorio Gutierrez! By the way, the early 1800's records from San Miguel El Alto that I am viewing have oodles of births from Rancho Ojo de Agua, but so far no Jauregui's and I am about half way through the film. If anyone needs a record from the baptisms 1821-1832 San Miguel El Alto, let me know I would be happy to print it and scan it. Right now the printer at the LDS FHC is broken, but they are waiting on a new machine, so it may take a little bit.

Maureen Bejar

In order for genealogies within the group to be available to all they
should be posted in the "Files" --> "Members Genealogies" --> "Your Last
Name, Your First Name" area of the group. Go there and open your folder
and then upload your genealogy.

THE GENEALOGIES SHOULD NOT BE SENT TO THE GROUP VIA EMAILS. The emails
don't properly group the genealogies so they can be available in the
future. So if you have an update that you want to send to the group go
to your folder and upload a file there and then copy and paste the URL
of your folder into an email and send it to the group with a description
of where you are researching and the surnames you have researched.

ALSO PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE do not send in genealogies that have living
individuals or even deceased individuals that are as close as your
parents both for security and privacy sake. Sometimes Financial
Information Passwords are chosen based on your Mother's Maiden name and
if you go and post that information via an email to the group then the
whole internet connected world will suddenly have your Financial
Password [you did know that the nuestrosranchos.org email archives are
Public, didn't you?].

So to recap:

1) No genealogies should be sent to the group via emails.

2) No living individuals should be included in any genealogies made
available to the group members both for privacy and security reasons
(especially your mother's maiden name).

thanks,

joseph

ps: who in the group can come up with a more elegant way of wording the
above email? I would like a better version of the above so I can send it
out when folks first come into the group so they will not automatically
start sending genealogies to the group. so if you have good english
skills and can word it better than this and even suggest other ideas
that I have forgotten to list to new members please take a "try" at
properly wording a version of the message that I can send to brand new
members.

thanks

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Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

Dear Group--

I came across this site on Wednesday--

http://www.stormlake.com/mexico/index.htm

which shows Santa Rita, Jalisco, where my husband was
born. Apparently a delegation of people came from
Iowa in 2005 to visit. I know that there are a few
people who are researching in Ayotlan, which is also
featured, so this might be of interest to them.

On our trip to Santa Rita in December, I took quite a
few pictures. If you would be interested in seeing
what the land looks like around Santa Rita and this
part of los Altos, send me an email at
canprin@yahoo.com.

Sincerely,
Patricia Diane Godinez
AKA Patricia Burton

My Opinion on what naming convention we should use: that which our
relatives used: Given Name, Fathers Surname, Mothers Surname

If we go mixing it up with the US style where sometimes the mothers
Maiden name goes in the middle then that will only lead to confusion.
but if you absolutely need to use that naming style at a bare minimum
you need to "Announce" that you are doing that. I think it is fair to
say that many if not most of the people on this list are using the
Mexican Naming Convention.

Just in case it isn't clear let me give an example: Julio de Jesus
Puente Varela ---his given name = "Julio de Jesus"; his fathers name
"Cecilio Puente" and his mothers name: "Dominga Varela." [Julio de Jesus
happens to be my GG grandfather born in Rancho de Animas, Santa Maria de
Los Angeles, Jalisco in 1852].

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

Hello Arturo and others who shared ideas,
Blas was married to Maria Zubiate Cisneros somewhere in Mexico but I'm not sure where. Maria was around 7 years younger than he was and was from Hidalgo del Parral, Chihuahua. I even have her parent's names which I got from her brother's SSI record.
I don't know how they met but I suspect that Blas was a miner in Zacatecas first, he then met his wife Maria maybe through their families involvement in mining (workers), they had their first 5 children in Chihuahua (not 100% sure), and then my grandfather Lorenzo Cisneros Gutierrez was the last child born in Sierra Mojada Coahuila in 1903. They came to the U.S., by train (according to Lorenzo's naturalization papers) around 1906.
Is it possible that some families never baptised their children because they were moving from local to local wherever there was work??
I should probably first check the Sierra Mojada Coahuila Civil Registry to see if they have Lorenzo's civil birth record. Maybe that will have more info on his parents Blas and Maria.
It seemed that because Blas was a miner, he had to go where the work was taking along his family on the train with him. Sierra Mojada in Coahuila was a mining town from what I have read, can't find a local parish though, I'll search some more.
Thanks Arturo for helping me think this through. I'll go back and plan my path forward on the research. I like a new Genealogy research challenge!
Yolanda
Jalisco/Zacatecas

----- Original Message ----
From: arturoramos
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 8:30:04 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gutierrez in Zacatecas (La Sauceda)

Yolanda:

If you have credible evidence that Blas Gutierrez was born in La Sauceda de la Borda, Zacatecas, then you should start by identifying what church he might have been baptized in. La Sauceda used to be a municipality in Zacatecas (look at the Cubas Diccionario Geografico from the links section of the site and look up simply "Sauceda"). There is no such municipality now, though from my meager research it looks like La Sauceda would now be part of Veta Grande.

If you look in the familysearch.org website and look up Sauceda de la Borda, you will note that the local parish is San Juan Bautista and that they have the following films for the region:

Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1861-1862, 1867- 1869, 1876-1884
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1884-1896
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1896-1917
Información matrimonial 1869-1871, 1877-1880
Información matrimonial 1880-1884
Información matrimonial 1884-1889
Información matrimonial 1890-1900

That means that the parrish did not exist when your ancestor was born in 1844 and he would have had to been baptized in a nearby town's parrish... perhaps Panuco or Vetagrande?

Vetagrande's records begin in 1756 but they are missing baptism records for the 1840 and 1850s...

Panuco's records begin even earlier in 1684, but they are likewise missing baptism records for most of the 1840s...

I would suspect that your ancestor was in one of those two church's baptism records but they are now lost or destroyed and that is why you are having so much trouble finding him. Do you know if he was married in Mexico or the United States?

Blas is a full name, not a nickname. I also have an ancestor named Blas Gutierrez:

http://www.ramosfamily.org/nextgen/getperson.php?personID=I414

Hello - I am having a difficult time trying to find my great grandfather's family history. His name is Blas Gutierrez and he supposedly was born in Sauceda de la Borda, Zacatecas Mexico in 1844. He died in Los Angeles on September 1, 1911. He was married to Maria Zubiate Cisneros born 1859, she died Dec. 7, 1908 in Los Angeles, California. I found his internment record and tried to find more information through the mortuary with no luck.
I don't have another surname for Blas but my mom's oldest sister says she remembers that he might have had another first name of Cornelio. I haven't been able to find a Cornlio Blas Gutierrez yet. But I also wonder if Blas is a nickname for another first name, for example I have seen "Nelli" used as a nickname for Manuela",or "Cuca" for Refugia. He did have family in Los Angeles who came in the early 1900's and they were the Chavez's of Los Angeles. Perhaps I can search on the other first name.

I was hoping to have some success researching the Gutierrez line by following Blas Gutierrez's cousins.
The following people are related to Blas Gutierrez but I'm not exactly sure how he connects with them (1st cousin, uncle, brother). :

Maximo Gutierrez & Perfecta De La Rosa
Married Feb. 15, 1863 in San Juan Bautista,
Panuco Zacatecas, Mexico

Children:
Candelario Gutierrez & Anastasia Martinez
Married Jul 10, 1882, Sauceda de la Borda, Zacatecas Mexico

Maria Ynes Gutierrez & Gerardo Chavez
Married Feb. 4, 1884 San Juan Bautista, Panuco, Zacatecas Mexico
Gerardo age at Marriage: 19
Maria Ynes age at Marriage: 18

Thanks for any research recommendations on Zacatecas parishes or information on the Gutierrez/Chavez line from Zacatecas.
Yolanda

Saw a reference to the following site: < http://www.footnote.com/ >
on Megan Smolenyak Smolenyak's blog page
< http://www.rootstelevision.com/blogs/megans-rootsworld.html >
See also: < www.footnote.com/nara > ; for insight to NARA's partnership with Footnote see Dick Eastman's review here: < http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2007/01/national_archiv… >

It is always interesting to see what is happening in the realm of genealogy in general; you never know when someone's idea will spark an investigation or help you see a problem (think Brick Wall) in a new light.

Have a great day - take care.

Natalie in Virginia

PS: Oh - the National Genealogical Society will hold it's Conference in Richmond, VA in mid-May. Check their website for details : < http://www.ngsgenealogy.org/ >

ncc

I am hoping the subject line is NOT alarming - I just wasn't quite sure how title my query.
Anyway ... I was @ my local FHC on Tues./Jan 9 to view a film I had ordered before the holidays.
On the box was a sticker message that I don't recall ever seeing before (see below):
"WARNING!
By contract between the Genealogical Society of Utah (GSU) and the owner(s) of some or all of the included records, this microfilm may not be
SOLD, DUPLICATED, EXTRACTED, or INDEXED
except under limited circumstances.
For further information contact FAMILY HISTORY CENTER SUPPORT, SLC, Utah
VIOLATION OF SUCH RESTRICTION(S) MAY RESULT IN CIVIL OR CRIMINAL LIABILITY!"

Note: I looked at some of the other film boxes in the drawers, and not all of them had this notice.
So - does anyone know about this "Warning"? I did not make an inquiry about this while at the FHC.

Thanks for any enlightenment you can provide.

Natalie in Virginia
Researching: CASTRO, GARCIA, DUENAS, DURAN, and others in the Valparaiso District, Sain Alto, and Sombrerete of ZACATECAS