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Has anyone heard of the story "La Llorona?" I found it in a book, though it
doesn't say which part of Mexico it originated from. Apparently, it is
about a woman who drowns her own children in a river to keep their father
from taking them from her, then cannot get into heaven until she recovers
their souls, crying and wailing as she searches the riverbanks in the night
with her bony fingers. One of those "Golden Arm" spooky stories you tell
children. Anyways, I was wondering if anyone had heard of it and knew where
it originated. I had recently seen a movie on television where one man has
three girlfriends and they find out about it and become very angry. He
starts having frightening visions of La Llorona coming after him, which made
me think it was about a story from Mexico. I soon found the story, but it
does not say which part of Mexico it is from.

Corrine Ardoin

I found a couple of really good websites. The first is
http://www.guadalajara.net/html/templos/14.shtml and it is a history of the
Santuario de Nuestra Senora de Guadalupe Catholic Church in Guadalajara,
built in the 1700's. It has a photo of it, too, which I really liked,
because my ancestors, Martin del Campos and Robles attended this church,
also married there, baptized children there, etc. It is all in Spanish, the
photos are wonderful. The other site is about the Guadalajara Censuses
Project, an article called "Guadalajara in 1821: Origins of the Cuartel
System." That website address is
http://www.fsu.edu/~guadalaj/english/guadalajara_history/guadtour.htm and it
gives an explanation about how Guadalajara was designed, which helped me a
lot, in addition to learning more about the city, to understand how to order
microfilms for ancestors who were born, etc. there. For example, not
knowing which section of the city they lived in, I wouldn't know, therefore,
which office their records I'd need would have originated. Someone had
mentioned this to me previously, but until I read about it myself, I didn't
know what they were talking about. So, I had learned from this webite that,
though my grandmother and her family lived outside of Guadalajara proper,
near Zapopan, which is outside the Guadalajara municipio boundary today, 100
years ago the boundary extended further out, so I still would order
microfilm of the Zapopan municipio, though of the particular office of the
section where they lived, which might have then been in the Guadalajara
municipio. At first, I just went by the year, not paying any attention to
the offices at the head of the microfilm lists, so I accidently ordered a
microfilm for births of the right year, but from the wrong office. So, I
tried again and ordered Zapopan Nacimientos 1903-jun 1908 no. 1951122 for my
grandmother's birth record. I have been waiting several weeks for this and
asked at our FHC what was taking so long and they said that there was
problems at "the vault," and my films were backordered, so I am still
waiting. Hopefully, this will finally be the right one. I definitely urge
anyone who is starting out their research in the Guadalajara area to read up
on their history of the city and try and understand the way records were
kept.

Corrine Ardoin

I don't know who added the Casta's paintings but they are wonderful! A real eye opener to the dress and living standards of the day.

I've added a photo to my album (Linda Castanon-Long) of my grandmothers cousin, Juan Jose Mendez in a death photo drawn abt 1923 in Tamazula Jalisco Mexico. It gives an idea of the burial customs and dress of the day at that time.

Genealogy is so much more than just names and dates, they had lives, loves, loss's and dreams we can only imagine.. I look at this photo and see a young woman widowed with many children to raise on her own. Photo's and articles help to keep me connected to the human side of genealogy so I enjoy sharing what I can.

Linda in Everett

I tried using the online traslater but got no answer so I'm hoping on of the group can tell me what this means.

The record reads that birth registration was 5 Aug 1886 and birth date was "antier" at 8pm.. does that mean yesterday? So the birthdate would be 4 Aug 1886?

Another record in the same birth registration read the child was born "antenoche" is that the same as antier?

Also, when there is a set of twins and they are both named the same, would that usually mean one did not survive or was not expected to survive? I noticed it was not unusual to name another child the same when the earlier born one is deceased.

I have another set of siblings named the same but know they have different wives and were padrinos to each other during the same time period so it's not the same man married twice.. Any ideas why they would do that?

Linda in Everett

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Hello,
My niece is engaged to be married next year, and she actually
went through a similar process in the USA. Both she and the groom
brought people in to vouch that neither had been married before, that
they were not related, etc., I never experienced this when my husband
and I came before the priest to ask to be married, neither did my
sisters, nor my nephew & his wife. I'm guessing that it's because our
families knew the priest, and we were getting married in our own parish.
He knew that we hadn't been married before, were'nt related, etc., In
my situation, the priest actually knew both of our families. He works
with the handicapped, and since we both have siblings, he knew our
families. We were all married in the US too.
My niece is marrying a non-Catholic, doesn't know the priest and
is marrying in a different parish in the US. It seems this is still a
practice. Interesting....
Irma Gomez Gtz
Northern Calif.

Message: 5
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 23:48:49 -0800
From: "Raymond Jauregui"
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Difference
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Message-ID: <410-22007231474849633@earthlink.net>
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Informacion Matrimonial: When a couple decided to marry, they were
required to petition the church for permision to marry. The bride (La
Pretensa) and groom (El Pretenso) along with their respective character
witnesses (Testigos) would appear before the Priest and make sworn
statements about who they were, their parents, where they were from,
where they originated, etc. The witnesses would vouch for the
individuals, who were the parents, how long they had known the couple,
etc. Reasons for the scrutiny were several which included; to prevent
close family intermarriages, first cousins etc., to provide for
protection of properties, land grants, and that the marriage was of
mutual consent between families. This could precede the marriage by
several weeks or months. Once the Church was satisfied as to the proper
status of the couple permission was granted and the wedding announcement
(Bands of Marriage) were made and the wedding took place.

Regular Matrimonio films are the records of the actual weddings, listing
the couple, their parents and all the rest of the information required
at the time.

Hope I answered your question.......

Alice:

Do you mind uploading a scan of the marriage document that you have from
Panuco or at least transcribing it? Also, taking a lead from Daniel, if
the registro de matrimonio does not list parents or place names, perhaps
the informacion matrimonial does. Have you yet looked at this film?

Mexico, Zacatecas, Panuco Informaci?n matrimonial 1881-1882 VAULT INTL
Film 1092826

What about this film?
Mexico, Zacatecas, Panuco, Matrimonios 1878-1889 FHL INTL Film 1082210

Informaci?n matrimonial 1801 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222237 ]
Informaci?n matrimonial 1802-1803 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222238 ]
Informaci?n matrimonial 1804-1805 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222239 ]
Informaci?n matrimonial 1806-1807 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222240 ]
Informaci?n matrimonial 1808-1809 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222241 ]
Informaci?n matrimonial 1810-1811 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222242 ]
Informaci?n matrimonial 1812 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222243 ]
Informaci?n matrimonial 1813-1814 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222244 ]
Informaci?n matrimonial 1815 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222245 ]*

>
> I grew up hearing stories of La Llorona from my parents, as well as, Aunts
> and Uncles. My family is from Jalisco, so I had assumed that's where it
> originated, but I don't know for sure.
>
I also heard a lot of other ghost-type stories mostly related to buried
gold. I think some of these stories are partly based on facts. People in
the Ranchos did not all keep their money in the bank and it was safer to
bury it. Also, during the Revolution and the Cristero Rebellion they
might've had to hastily find a place to hide their money to keep looters
from taking it.

Gabriel Garcia Marquez's books remind me of the stories I heard growing up.

Maria

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> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 08:46:21 -0800
> From: "Corrine Ardoin"
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Story of La Llorona
> To:
> Message-ID: <20070218164622.927731BB47@che.dreamhost.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Has anyone heard of the story "La Llorona?" I found it in a book...
>

The following is from the Rootsweb Review Newsletter for February 14, 2007:

"Unknown to most Americans, there are very few surviving records concerning World War II veterans--most of them were lost in a storage warehouse fire decades ago. The government has records on servicemen who died during the war, but almost no records on who fought and survived the war".

The article went on to state that there is an official National Park Service website to honor veterans of WWII. The site allows family members to register their veterans by following simple guidelines posted on the site, and is free to register the veterans. To upload a photo of the veteran to the site would cost $10.00.

To register or search the website go to:

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You will be asked for the full name, home state, and info on when, what branch of service, and where they served. All submissions are reviewed and need to be approved before being posted to the website.

In light of the fact that the upcoming "The War" documentary by Ken Burns excludes any mention of Hispanic WWII vets, this is our opportunity to put the names of our Hispanic veterans who served in that war on the WWII Memorial website. The website is connected to the World War II Memorial that opened on 29 April 2004 on the mall in Washington, D. C.---between the Lincoln Memorial and the Washington Memorial.

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA --

What is the differnce between Informacion Matrimonial films and regular Matrimonio films?

Hi there Josie ,

Do you add the hominy or corn into the menudo , in California we put the corn in and the people here in Monterrey get furious with me cuz they say that is NOT the way it's supposed to be . I tell them ( in jest ) that the reason I have come to Monterrey is to get them all back on the right path , that they have strayed and have forgotten to add the corn to menudo , I laugh and they just stare at me , go figure . hehe

Welester

> From: josiett3@satx.rr.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 19:17:22 -0600> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Newest Prima!!!: was- Delgados of Pinos, Zacatecas> > > I make a mean pot of menudo, Joseph........let me know when you are down in> San Antonio and I will fire up the stove!> > Josie> > >
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Esperanza,

You mentioned someone's grandmother buried alive? Do you know more about that? How did they discover that?

When I was studying Italian, our instructor, a native of Italy, told us that she never wanted to be embalmed, that they didn't do that in Italy because of known cases where someone thought to be deceased was buried alive. How they knew that I don't know.

I also read in one of my genealogy newsletters, I can't remember which, about the origin of the term "Saved by the Bell". It seems that back before embalming was common, people buried alive could summon help with a bell. People would be buried with a cord tied around their hands, and if they came to after being comatose, their thrashing around in the coffin would cause the cord to pull on a bell hung on the cross above their grave, and someone would know to come and unearth them.

I also heard from a boyfriend of my sister's who was raised in the Dominican Republic next door to Haiti where they had voodoo witch doctors who would go into such deep trances that they were thought to have died and be buried and would awaken later underground and start scratching. Apparently, this guy's grandfather was such a case. He said there was evidence his grandfather had come to in the grave because the lining of his casket was scratched and torn right above where his hands had been. He probably suffocated. I never found out why they had unearthed him in the first place.

Is this all just folklore? How do people find out about people being buried alive?

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---

Hi,

I've taken the test and these are my pros and cons:

Pros
It's Free
I got 29 markers and you could get up to 40 something
Even though your haplotype is not published you can easily get it from the site itself by shuffling some numbers.

Cons
It takes forever to see your results published (in my case it took more than six months)
I have no results for some markers and there is no way to ask for them

Jorge Gomez

----- Mensaje original ----
De: victorianonavarro
Para: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Enviado: sábado, 17 de febrero, 2007 11:20:11
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] SMGF DNA

Hi,
I also sent them a sample for free DNA testing and am planning to send them more. I've heard that it usually takes them a very long time to post online your results for the free test, I don't know if the results for the paid test are faster.
For the paid test, they give you the results. For the free test they don't give you the results but they publish them online. The problem is that they don't exactly post your actual results, but a chart where they show which of your results match and don't match an standard they have. You can change the values of this standard on their webpage and figure out your results by trial and error, but you may need some patience.
Finally, as they mention in their website, they are not affiliated to any Church. However, in the release form you signed it says they may share all the information you send them (i.e., your family tree) with their sponsors, like the Sorenson family. And I can't help to wonder whether these third parties will or will not use this information for religious purposes within their faith.
VN

Hi, all. I don't know if this would interest anyone, but I sumbitted my DNA for the Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Project and they sent me a code for discounted DNA Analysis through Relative Genetics (see below for details) for participating (open to friends and family upon participation). If you've been thinking of getting your DNA tested for genealogical purposes, then maybe this is worth a look-see. If anyone has heard of this lab, will you be so kind as to give us your input and thoughts on this "deal?" Thanks!

Cristina

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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:50:04 -0700
From:
To:

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I came across this article this evening (as I was looking for something else) on the MexicoConnect site. It is brief, and includes a bibliography. It can be found at:
(note: I am putting URL twice - one is copy & paste - c&p)

http://www.mexconnect.com/mex_/travel/tonysarticles/tbdid0207.html

http://www.mexconnect.com/mex_/travel/tonysarticles/tbdid0207.html

Natalie

Hi, all. While attempting to obtain some oral history from my grandmother on my Ruiz and Sedano lines from Tlaltenango & Sedanos, Zacatecas, I found out that one of my Ruiz ancestors was born "in the year of the typhoid epidemic." Now, I imagine this was probably sometime after 1920, which is the approximate year of my great-great grandfather's, Felipe Ruiz Róbles, marriage to my great-grandmother. The reason I mention him is becuase he was one of those assigned to carry the catloads of typhoid victims to the "camposanto." My grandmother says that when the poor, homeless people who would go around asking for "un atolito," the cart carriers would say, "Atolito? ¡Cual! ¡Camposanto!" and then throw them in the cart and take them to the camposanto (Probably because they figured they were already carrying the disease.). Anyway, I know that is not relevant, but I thought it was an interesting anecdote. My real purpose for this post is to find out if anyone has come across any reference to this "year of the typhoid epidemic" that may help me to find the birth year for this ancestor and possible a lead to follow for my elusive paternal lines...

Thanks for reading this!

Cristina

(Espanol abajo)

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Hi Diane,

I've looked into the Ramón Godínez file (actually into both) and I haven't found a Solorio in them, I've just joined the group so there's a huge chance I didn't do it correctly so if you (or anyone else) could please direct me to them I'll be more than grateful.

Yours,

Jorge Gomez
Toluca, Mexico

P.S. English is not my mother tongue so I ask you please to forgive my spelling and grammar errors.

----- Mensaje original ----
De: patricia burton
Para: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Enviado: viernes, 16 de febrero, 2007 0:16:42
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jorge Gomez Montenegro: Introduction, presentación..#2

To the Ranchos Group:

Although I have been doing research for many years, it
is hard for me to get my findings where I want them to
go. I think I sent this out right but if not, I am
hoping Joseph or Arturo will direct it to the right
place.

If you look in the Ramon GODINEZ file, you will be
able to see my latest contribution(s). Perhaps this
is the SOLORIO that Jorge GOMEZ Montenegro needs.

Sincerely,
Diane in San Diego

--- Joseph Puentes wrote:

> you can send in a gedcom if you like but if you have
> an option to delete
> people that are living that would be best. And your
> gedcom can include
> all your data if you want. gedcom's are optional but
> you are welcome to
> submit them. Let me know what you decide and I'll
> prepare the gedcom
> area for your upload. but I'll only do that if you
> decide for sure to do
> this.
>
> you can do like others and send in several "reports"
> in word or .rtf
> format.
>
> joseph
>
> ===================
>
> Joseph Puentes
> http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American
> History)
>
>
>
> Jorge Gomez Montenegro wrote:
> > Joseph, thank you very much for the welcome and
> the information.
> >
> > I usually go to the family history center at
> Toluca but I do most of my research at the "archivo
> general de la nación" in Mexico City, they have a
> copy of almost all the microfilms done by the LDS
> (regarding Mexico) besides an awful lot of other
> documents.
> >
> > I do have a question, I previously sent part of my
> family tree in a PDF document but included
> information on living people so I would like to send
> it again but I'm uncertain if I should do it as a
> GEDCOM file or other format and if I should send all
> my data or only that related to Jalisco.
> >
> > Jorge Gomez
> >
> > ----- Mensaje original ----
> > De: Joseph Puentes
> > Para: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Enviado: miércoles, 14 de febrero, 2007 18:04:21
> > Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jorge Gomez Montenegro:
> Introduction, presentación
> >
> >
> > You are writing to the correct address. welcome to
> the group. You are
> > close to Mexico City so maybe you are using the
> Family History Center
> > there. From the Family history center you can find
> these films for
> > Atotonilco el Alto. there are also many more films
> not listed here for
> > Ayotlan, Arandas, and the others you've listed.
> Are you using this
> > resource in your research? Do you have the address
> to the closest Family
> > History Centers in Mexico City?
> >
> > there are one member researching Atotonilco el
> Alto. Log in to the
> > website and then go to this URL:
> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15338 I didn't
> check for the other
> > locations but go to the "Files" and the "Members
> Genealogies" and then
> > look next to each person's name for a brief
> description of the research
> > locations. OR you could just do a "search" from
> the front page.
> >
> > If you have any questions please don't hesitate to
> ask. We'll try to help.
> >
> > joseph
> >
> > ===================
> >
> > Joseph Puentes
> > http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
> > http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American
> History)
> >
> > Title
> > *Registros parroquiales, 1699-1958*
> >
> > Authors
> > *Iglesia Católica (Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco)
> (Main Author)*
> >
> > Notes
> > *Microfilme de manuscritos en el archivo
> parroquial.
> > Algunos registros incluyen índice.
> > Parish registers of baptisms, confirmations,
> marriage petitions,
> > marriages, and deaths from Atotonilco el Alto,
> Jalisco, Mexico.
> > Some registers include an index.*
> >
> > Subjects
> > * México, Jalisco, Atotonilco el Alto - Church
> records*
> >
> > Format
> > * Manuscript (On Film)*
> >
> > Language
> > * Spanish*
> >
> > Publication
> > * Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmados por la Sociedad
> Genealógica de Utah,
> > 1958*
> >
> > Physical
> > * 287 carretes de microfilme ; 35 mm.*
> >
> > Film Notes
> > Note - Location [Film]
> > *Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1699-1749 - FHL
> INTL Film [ 222109 ]
> > Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1749-1769 - FHL INTL
> Film [ 222110 ]
> > Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1769-1777 - FHL INTL
> Film [ 222111 ]
> > Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1777-1785 - FHL INTL
> Film [ 222112 ]
> > Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1785-1793 - FHL INTL
> Film [ 222113 ]
> > Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1793-1799 - VAULT
> INTL Film [ 222114 ]
> > Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1799-1806 - FHL INTL
> Film [ 222115 ]
> > Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1806-1811 - VAULT
> INTL Film [ 222116 ]
> > Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1811-1817 - FHL INTL
> Film [ 222117 ]
> > Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1817-1821 - FHL INTL
> Film [ 222118 ]
> > Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1821-1824 - FHL INTL
> Film [ 222119 ]
> > Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1824-1828 - VAULT
> INTL Film [ 222120 ]
> > Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1828-1832 - VAULT
> INTL Film [ 222121 ]
> > Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1832-1835 - VAULT
> INTL Film [ 222122 ]
> > Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1835-1839 - VAULT
> INTL Film [ 222123 ]
> > Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1839-1844 - FHL INTL
> Film [ 222124 ]
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As of late there have been a lot of messages to the group. Just as a
reminder. You can always manage your account by "logging in" and then to
"my account" and click on "edit" then to "my mailing lists" and then
change your email delivery from "all mail" to "digest" which will mean
that instead of getting many individual emails everyday you'll get one
large email with all that days activity within. If you really have to
you can also choose "no mail" which means you'll have to go to the site
periodically to catch up on what has been going on in the group. But I
would say that you shouldn't select "unsubscribe" for obvious reasons
unless you plan to leave the group.

thanks,

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

Hi - I have been trying to research the Gutierrez line in both Zacatecas and in Sierra Mojada Coahuila. I ordered some civil records for the area of Sierra Mojada in Coahuila hoping to find my grandather's civil record. I looked through the microfilm the other day and he did not appear in these records. His parents were from Zacatecas but in order for me to find out more about them, I have to start with my grandfather first. The problem is that I have a name of a church (not listed in LDS records) but not sure where this churches parish records would be located.
Sierra Mojada is bordered by Durango, Chihuahua, the U.S. Sierra Mojada was a district of Monclava at one time (I was told). Do I look for the archdiocese of Monclava for Sierra Mojada parish records? also -- On one of the civil microfilm records, there were many parish records of families who originated in Zacatecas. They must have come to Sierra Mojada starting in 1879 when silver and copper were discovered there. Thanks for any hints from anyone who may know about Coahuila and links to Zacatecas.
Yolanda

I had a few moments...I decided to upload some photos under the album
group...members...but I am not sure that I uploaded everything the right way...

I posted a family picture (my Tlaltenango descendants) , and pictures from
the Monterrey delegation regarding the dedication of the African-legacy team
that attended in Monterrey and some artists renditions of our Afro-Indi-Meztizo
inheritance.

Enjoy...
Esperanza...Chicagoland area

As I start planning the makeover of the Nuestros Ranchos website, I am hoping that in addition to updating some of the code and the aesthetics of the site, we will be able to improve the functionality of the site. If there is something particular that you would like improved upon, please let us know. We cannot guarantee that the change will be made but we will endeavor to take into account any and all suggestions.

Como estamos planificando una reconstruccion del sitio Nuestros Ranchos, espero que ademas de actualizar el codigo y la estetica del sitio, podamos mejorar el funcionamiento del sitio. Si hay algo en particular que cree que podriamos mejorar, por favor diganos. No podemos garantizar que hagamos el cambio que sugiere pero intentaremos tomar en cuenta todas las sugerencias que recibamos.

Cristina ,

My gggranfather Candelario married twice that I know of for sure and possible a third , how bout them apples !

Welester

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> From: mytmo@netnitco.net> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 09:50:14 -0800> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Marriages with wide age range> > > Dear Cristina:> Do not think that a 15 year age gap is not possible. Many of the Alviso men I am researching married in their 20's, but then after their first wife passed away, would marry again in their 40's to women in their early 20's. It may have been your gg's second marriage and usually the second marriage document will list the first wife and how long ago she had passed. This is how I found one ancestor. I was looking at a microfilm for the marriage of a son and the father happened to get married again in the same year. It listed the father's first wife and when she had died, so I knew the approximate year of death for my ancestor. Neat hah! I tease my husband that he is carrying on a family tradition as there is a 12 year gap between us!> > Maureen Bejar> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuest
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Good Evening Arturo,
Thanks so much for the film numbers. I can't believe I missed them in the LDS catalog. My FHC is open tomorrow evening, so I'll order them right away. I'm afraid I don't have a scanner, but maybe the people at the FHC can upload it for me. Where do you want it uploaded to? I'm sure they will know how to accomplish this, but please let me know where. I'll follow as many leads as possible. Many thanks. Alice

--- arturo.ramos2@gmail.com wrote:

From: arturoramos
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Santelices and Valderramas
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 07:46:16 -0800 (PST)

Alice:

Do you mind uploading a scan of the marriage document that you have from Panuco or at least transcribing it? Also, taking a lead from Daniel, if the registro de matrimonio does not list parents or place names, perhaps the informacion matrimonial does. Have you yet looked at this film?

Mexico, Zacatecas, Panuco Información matrimonial 1881-1882 VAULT INTL Film 1092826

What about this film?
Mexico, Zacatecas, Panuco, Matrimonios 1878-1889 FHL INTL Film 1082210

Arturo,

I sent this to your private e-mail. Did you not see it?

Thanks,

Emilie
----- Original Message -----
From: Emilie Garcia
To:
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 12:49 PM
Subject: Senores de Zacatecas

Hi, Arturo,

Could you look up Juan Pedro Espeldoy that is listed in your book by Frederique Langue?

Thanks,

Emilie

Arturo,
I've completed a PAF5 from the Family Search site. The film that contains the only documentation available is #1092766. What's the next step? Thanks for your help, Alice

--- arturo.ramos2@gmail.com wrote:

From: arturoramos
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Santelices and Valderramas in Panuco
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 20:27:28 -0800 (PST)

Alice:

Do you think you can post an Ahnentafel chart of the research you have done already. I went into your file folder and cannot discern who is related to whom how...

I see that you have one date for a marriage in Panuco but I cannot estimate dates for other events because I cannot tell whether 1st generation is older or younger than 2nd generation, etc., i.e. is Jose Maria Santelices Francisco Santelices father or son or neither?