Arturo,
Thanks for posting the samples from the Indice (#0269867).
Just from browsing the scans you put up, I found several of the surnames in my husband's ancestry.
So, how do you know which subsequent film to order, since the indice only has a number and name for the fundacion [?], and the name of the agraciado [?], but no date of the land grant.
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA--
Yes, you are correct. In trying to simplify my explanation, I
neglected to add that information. Thank you for adding it. If a
male submits a DNA sample it can be tested for both his Y-DNA and
mtDNA, giving the Haplogroups for both his mother and father.
Linda
On Mar 10, 2007, at 4:35 PM, research-
request@lists.nuestrosranchos.org wrote:
> It's my understanding that both female and male offspring carry
> their mother's mtDNA. It's only the female offspring that will
> continue to pass the mtDNA down a direct line, to both her female
> and male offspring. If one's brother's mtDNA is tested it would
> match that of his female sibling's mtDNA.
>
> The mtDNA in males can be tested...
> The YDNA that males received from their father is not passed to
> females, but continues to be passed from male offspring to their
> male offspring in a direct line.
>
> Pat Silva Corbera
> Researching: Romero, Hallstead/Halstead, Davis, Hamm, Capwell,
> Buell, Beltz, Chandler, Burgess, Hitchcock, de la Torre, Hotchkiss,
> Moore, Nichol/Nichols, Phelps, Scott, Sherwood, Trowbridge, Barba,
> Brewster, Fisher, Foulkes
>
>
I just got this about Mexicans. I know my family is right in there
with more than four of them!
Elvira
>From the Genealogia-Mexico@googlegroups.com
Hoy, El Universal public
Does anyone know David's email or how I can contact David? Thanks.
Estimado Sr. González:
Disculpe que me dirija a Ud. por este medio, pero tengo entendido que Ud. pertenece al grupo Nuestros Ranchos y no he podido comunicarme con Ud. por otros medios. Traté de eviarle este mismo mensaje hace algunos meses, pero probablemente las direcciones que me dieron no estén actualizadas.
Abusando de su bondad me dirijo a Ud. para hacerle una pregunta sobre un asunto que me tiene completamente anonadado. Se trata del sobrenombre Bernardo Salado por el que se conoció a mi séptimo bisabuelo Bernardo Ruiz de Esparza. Siguiendo la línea que va de mi tatarabuela María del Refugio Ruiz de Esparza hasta conectarla con Lope Ruiz de Esparza (uno de los primeros pobladores de Aguascalientes) he llegado a familiarizarme con un sinnúmero de personas que vivieron no solo en esa ciudad, sino en muchos otros de la región de los Altos de Jalisco y Zacatecas. Todas ellas figuran en mi base de datos, que cuenta ya con más de 6,500 personas. Es bastante conocido el hecho que Aguascalientes ocupó un lugar estratégico en el Camino de la Plata durante los S. XVII y XVIII, ya que quedaba en la ruta por la que se transportaba ese metal de las minas de Zacatecas a la capital del reino de la Nueva España.
Empezé buscando a los padres de mi tatarabuela, y poco a poco fuí encontrando a sus abuelos, bisabuelos, tatarabuelos, etc. etc. tanto en registros parroquiales de la Iglesia de la Asunción de Aguascalientes, como en los de otras iglesias y poblaciones cercanas. De esa forma llegué a encontrar a mis octavos bisabuelos Lope Ruiz de Esparza y Ana Francisca Gabai de Moctezuma. Aunque parezca raro, me fue sumamente difícil encontrar quienes fueron los padres de mi cuarto bisabuelo Vicente Ruiz de Esparza, ya que buscaba a su madre bajo el nombre de Josepha de Ulloa, cuando en realidad era Josepha de Iñiguez y Ulloa. De allí que en algunos registros aparezca su nombre como Josepha de Ulloa y en otros como Josepha de Iñiguez.
El motivo principal de estas líneas es hacerle una pregunta para tratar de aclarar algunas dudas que tengo sobre mi séptimo bisabuelo Bernardo Ruiz de Esparza. Bernardo, hijo de Lope Ruiz de Esparza y Francisca Gabai de Moctezuma, casó el 28 de febrero de 1634 con Catalina Lozano en la estancia de Morcenique, propiedad de su padre. Su partida de matrimonio dice textualmente:
"En postrero día del mes de febrero (de 1634) el padre Joan Agustín por commisión mía desposó en la estancia de Lope Ruiz de esparza a bernardo Ruiz de esparza i cathalina lozano, siendo testigos Salvador de Esparza y Christobal Losano."
Será posible que Ud. sepa por qué en algunos registros aparece Bernardo Ruiz de Esparza con el alias "Bernardo Salado"? Ese mismo apellido (o sobrenombre) también se les dió a algunos de sus hijos y nietos, y quizás a otros de sus descendientes. Por ejemplo, su hijo Cristóbal Ruiz de Esparza aparece en algunos registros como Cristóbal Salado, y su nieto Francisco Ruiz de Esparza como Francisco Salado. Etcétera, etcétera.
Me despido de Ud. con un cordial saludo reiterándole que quedaré sumamente agradecido por CUALQUIER información que pueda proporcionarme al respecto.
Atentamente,
Guillermo Figueroa Strecker
aka Bill Figueroa
The results for our surname Castanon DNA came back today. They are R1B1, considered European.. What a mix we are when our ancestors are from Mexico! My maternal MTDNA is Native American, Haplogroup A, my mothers Gutierrez line done through her brother came back Eurasian, Haplogroup N and now a European ancestor.. Doing the genealogy also have given me 3 lines of Mulato ancestors in the mid 1600's in Jalisco, Zacatecas and Michoacan.. I am everything Mexico has to offer! Just thought I'd share the results.
Linda Castanon-Long
> For all of you, who have showed an interest in the > class. Is there any
> particular day of the week, that
> you would prefer having the class?
My schedule is pretty flexible except for the first Thursday. However,
don't plan it around me.
~Deena~
Here are some Alvarado people from Zacatecas who ended moving to
Durango and Coahuila. Most of them came to work in the area of la
Laguna betwen Coahuila and Durango.
Many came from Zacatecas to work in the mining area in San Juan de
Guadalupe, Durango and Coahuila area which is just across the Aguanaval
river.
In San Juan de Guadalupe there are many people who came from Zacatecas
starting in the early 1700s. I hope this helps somebody.
Elvira
Descendants of Francisco Alvarado
Generation No. 1
1. FRANCISCO1 ALVARADO was born in Ca
Mis ancestros eran Domingo Saldana Garcia Esparza married (caso con)Gertrudes de los Santos Arispe en Saltillo, Sagrario Metropolitano, Coahuilla, Mexico
El hijo...their son was Manuel Elijio Arispe Esparza de Saltillo, Coahuilla, Mexico caso con
Maria Rita Felipa Quintanilla Guajardo and they lived in Lampazos de Naranjo, Nuevo Leon Mexico.
Does anyone have more information?
Phyls Esparza, Texas
this is a great opportunity. If you can you should take Jonathan's class.
joseph
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http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 02:36:06 +0000
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Just to let you all know. In a few weeks, I will start teaching a
weekly online genealogy class, probably on Hispanic Research, at
www.familyhistoryliveonline.com . It will be a 30 minute class. So, if
anyone is interested in learning more, let me know.
Also, I can teach other classes at anytime, or maybe schedule to have
group conference.
Jonathan
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Raul, I have some records from these two lines. If you'd like I'd be happy to send you a genealogy report on what I have.
Linda Castanon-Long
'The Ruiz de Esparza family is a well-known Basque family that settled in Aguascalientes at the beginning of the Seventeenth Century. The surname Esparza is said to mean one who came from Esparza (a barren place or a place where feather grass grew) in Spain. The word was derived from the Latin sparsus (spread abroad, scattered), probably referring to land that yields little. Esparza is the name of a village near Pamplona in Navarra (Navarre), España (Spain).
I read this article in the Somos Primos and I think that a lot of the Esparza is still there in the Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes area...thanks.....Phyls
It is very likely that the Ruiz de Esparza family of Aguascalientes could trace its roots back to that small village. The patriarch of this family in Mexico was Lope Ruiz de Esparza, who is documented by the Catalogo de Pasajeros a Indias (Vol. III - #2.633) as having sailed from Spain to Mexico on Feb. 8, 1593. Lope, who was the son of Lope Ruiz de Esparza and Ana Días de Eguino, was a bachelor and a servant of Doñ Enrique Maleon. After arriving in Mexico, Lope made his way to Aguascalientes where, about a year later, he is believed to have married Francisca de Gabai Navarro y Moctezuma. In the following decades, the Ruiz de Esparza family intermarried extensively with other prominent Spanish families in early Aguascalientes, including Romo de Vivar, Macias Valdez, and Tiscareno de Molina.'
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I am sorry, I wanted to ask this question when we were discussing naming twins the same name, but I have not have not have time to visit the site lately and missed my chance. I could not find the link about the twins even in the search. So, I have started a new thread.
I have a set of twins where I knew of the woman through oral history with my mother-in-law and also later through an obituary from California where it listed her birth date. Her name was Herminia. I was researching the family in Valle de Guadalupe only to find not the baptism of Herminia, but of a Jose Domingo, Herminia's brother. Jose Domingo had a birthdate the exact date of Herminia's birth on her obit. Herminia was not listed anywhere on the microfilm. My mother-in-law had not mentioned Herminia as being a twin nor of any Jose Dominigo. Is it possible that the practice was to baptize only one of the twins? I find this hard to believe, but would they baptize one child in one church and choose another church for the other? Just wondered if there were practices for twins that I do not know about, especially as there was prior discussion in this group of only one of the twins being officially recognized.
I'm having the same problem. The email bounced.
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Who in the group is real comfortable using PAF to create reports in .rtf
format? If you have time and the willingness to volunteer to help other
Nuestros Ranchos members when they are having trouble converting their
PAF files into .rtf documents then please contact me at
NR@JosephPuentes.com I get about one or two requests per month from
various folks that need help with this. This job hopefully isn't one
that will be a big time consumer.
thanks,
joseph
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I came across the following site (quite by accident - I was looking for something else) and thought I would post it, although I know not many are researching in this area. It is basically some general information regarding the Valparaiso district, including famous personages. It is a part of "Enciclopedia de los Municipios de Mexico, Estado de Zacatecas".
http://www.e-local.gob.mx/work/templates/enciclo/zacatecas/municipios/3…
Good luck on your research in the upcoming week (I'm looking out on falling snow - about 3"-4" currently on the ground - still coming down).
Natalie in VA
Today while driving home I heard this segment on the radio, very interesting and informative on Al Sharpton's genealogy and the importance of documenting and verifying your sources, especially when you find that someone else has done the research.
Joseph, this could probably saved as a POD cast
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7608389
thanks John for this submission. I like jokes but #2 always was special
in my house "2. The party is separated into women cooking, men drinking,
and kids playing."
Other than on Thanksgiving I can't remember my mom EVER sitting down to
eat with the family. She was always in the kitchen bring the food to the
table. I'd see her eat later. I wish I had enough curiosity to have
asked her questions. I'd love to know if she would have felt
uncomfortable sitting with us. Or if it was just the natural way of
being? or just the way things were in the style she was raised.
She also never cooked things according to her taste preferences but
according to how my dad liked things cooked. Then again I don't remember
him being a domineering type over her. When he'd have a few drinks and
they'd argue my mom could hold her end of the argument up very very well.
joseph
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Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)
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Subject: Mijo's Birthday Party
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:44:55 -0800
From: John Gonzalez <1gnzlz@verizon.net>
To: Joseph Puentes
*Hi:*
**
*I think this is hilarious and I thought you might get a laugh out of
it...You can even share it with the rest of the group if you want.*
**
*Mijo's Birthday Party.*
**
**Top 15 ways to tell it's a MEXICAN birthday party: ***
*
1. some of the guests didn't bring a gift - but brought extra
uninvited kids.
2. The party is separated into women cooking, men drinking, and kids
playing.
3. The party is at Chuck E. Cheese but they brought their own food,
cake and a Piñata.
4. It's a child's party, but there are more grown ups than children.
5. It's Mijo's 1st birthday and the party food is carne asada,
arroz, frijoles and 10 cases of beer.
6. For entertainment, instead of playing pin the tail on the
donkey, there is usually a televised baseball or
futbol game, or a live fight.
7. The party was supposed to be over at 5pm, but its 7:30pm and the
party is just starting.
8. The host calls someone who's on their way and tells them to stop
and get some tortillas and ice.
9. You hear someone go up to the birthday child and say,
"Mira, que lindo. I'm going to have to get you
something next week when I get paid."
10. The party is Saturday, and you get a call from the hostess
Friday saying,"I'm giving Mijo a birthday party
tomorrow at 3pm"
11. Some guest bring gifts that are still in the Wal-Mart bag.
12. The cake didn't come from the store; it came from the
mother of the comadre of your best friend's sister who
makes really good cakes.
13. You are told you have to save your plate and fork you ate your
food with,so you can eat your cake.
14. Guests automatically wrap up a plate of food and cake to take
home.
15. It's Mijo's birthday, but since his cousin Maria is there
and her birthday is in a few days, it becomes Mijo's
and Maria's party.
**SEND THIS TO 7 MEXICANS. HECK, THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS "JUST 7"
MEXICANS! SEND THIS TO THE WHOLE FAMILIA!**
**
**
**
One of the clues I thought would help me to find the correct microfilm to
order for my greatgrandfather's civil death record, Alberto Martin del
Campo, was an address on his death notice my mother's mother had received
from the church where his funeral was. The church, Nuestra Santa Madre
Iglesia Catolica in Guadalajara, does not seem to be in the Family History
Catalog, but I could still find the civil death record in order to find more
information on him and his family. So, as I was saying, the clue is an
address that was where the mourning was to take place before the funeral
procession to the Municipal Cemetery in Guadalajara. The address is "casa
No. 553 de la calle Arista." This was in July of 1941. I have tried to
find Arista Street on maps to no avail and wondered if the address is like
ours in the States, where it would read: 553 Arista Street. Of course, on
maps I assume it would read "calle de Arista." Would anyone know how I
could pin down this address? I think it may have been where my
greatgrandfather's family lived at the time, or perhaps a relative that may
link me further along in my search.
Thanks!
Corrine Ardoin
The film below is from the Sagrada Mitra at the bishphoric of
Guadalajara and is the same series of marriage films that Luz
Montejano based her book on. Thus I would imagine it would have
similar information, i.e. all of the testimony and evidence and then
the letter that went out to the parrish priest granting the
dispensation.
So this would be different than what you would find at the parrish
level for the same marriage. You just have to cross your fingers that
the marriage is on that film as there appears to be no others for the
year in question... strange because for years just before and after
there are multiple films per year.... I imagine by that time the
population of the bishphoric had grown tremendously. They must have
had dedicated staff just to process the volume of dispensations
requested.
>
> Arturo, I do have the marriage and the marriage information records for this couple, it's the actual dispensation record I'm looking for in the hopes that it names the trunk that would take me back another generation on my branch of the Caldera family. Any idea what film that would be? I have never ordered a film for actual dispensations and didn't know they existed. I always thought the information record and dispensation record were one and the same!
>
> Boy we do learn on this site!
> thank you, Linda
>
> arturoramos wrote:
>
> Linda:
>
> We got a bit off topic but I was rereading your message about you trying to find the marrige dispensation for the coupe Santiago Saldivar and Juliana Caldera. They were married in 1853, just three years before the new bishphoric of Zacatecas was formed so their dispensation would have been given by the bishop of Guadalajara.
>
> While Luz Montejano stopped extracting around 1750, the dispensation records for later years are filmed. For some reason there are no films for 1853 however other than possibly:
>
> Matrimonios 1829-1830, 1850-1860, 1896 (faltan a?os) FHL INTL Film
> 168670
Are there specific films for Zacatecas where the dispensation records that are in La Sagrada Mitra can be found? The book is very expensive and not really available as far as I can find. I would like to know if I can order the films the records are taken from from the LDS history center. I'm interested in the Jerez Zacatecas area's since so many early families intermarried. I've done the marriage information records and hey say when they are related but not who that person was 3 or 4 generations ago who was the trunk.
I have taken my Caldera line back as far as I can with the records available at the LDS but found a decendant intermarried and it connects my ancestor Joseph Antonio del Carmel Caldera abt 1735 and Manuel Caldera abt 1740 as brothers so I was hoping to find their parents in a dispensation record. I understand this record to say in the 3rd degree they were brothers, 4th degree was the trunk?
Marriage information recorded 29 April 1853 in Jerez
Santiago Saldivar from Jumolco age 51
Parents: Nicolas Zaldivar and Micaela Caldera both deceased
With: Juliana Caldera from Durazno age 20
Parents: Toribio Caldera and Matiana Carrillo both deceased
Dispensa de consanguinedad en tercero con cuatro grado
Witness: Calletano Martinez from Durazno married age 47, labrador
Witness: Juan Minchaca from Durazno married age 46, labrador
Witness: Cristobal Martinez from Durazno married age 43, labrador
Posted 29 April, 24 and 26 April 1853
source: 0439902 Jerez marriage information
Linda in Everett
I was reminded about another thing to keep in mind when researching
Guadalajara. The old barrios, or neighborhoods, were made into "colonias,"
so that is another way they divided up the city for census purposes,
official business, etc.
Corrine Ardoin