Have you tested the Haro male dna? Are you going to do this in the future?
Thanks,
--
Esther A. Herold
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>
> Well, now that I think about it, he may or may not have been married to my gg
> because he was about 15 yrs. her senior when they married. This epidemic
> could've occurred when he was a young man in the late 1800's. THe reason I
> think this is that one of his sisters, Emilia Ruiz R
This is to Juanita and anyone else who believes they can't learn to download and operate the free PAF Software.
Listen up.........if I can do it you can do it, for this 57 year old grandmother to do it, anyone can do it. First go to www.familysearch.org. On the top there will be a row of blue tabs and it says order/download products, click on that blue tab. Another screen comes up and in the middle of that page it will say software downloads/free, click on that. It will ask you what language you want and the english language is free as well as the multi-language. Those would be numbers 77062988-s english language or 77062000's multi-language. Once you've decided and clicked on your choice it will give you your system requirements and it will tell you how to proceed.
The software is very easy to operate and you can begin using it and typing in your information. You will say to yourself, why didn't I do this sooner it was so easy. This makes it easy to keep track of your data/history and share it with friends, family etc and for you to see your progress. It also encourages you to do lateral research because you have a place to put everyone. It's like running a home, once you have adequate storage you know where to find everything, a place for everything and everything in it's place.
Genealogy software works just like storage, it's storage for our ancestors, a place for everyone and everyone in their place, neatly availabe for us to find them and place them with their respective family members.
I hope this helps..........Alicia in San Jose, Calif
Arturo,
You are welcome, it is always my pleasure to help out and because I am self taught on the computer, most everything I have learned is by trial and error and believe me there has been much error but every mistake I make allows me to learn something new. If I didn't take the risk and try something, I would not learn something new.
I receive so much from the wonderful people in this group that feels like family that I can't help but give something back whenever I have the opportunity.
Isn't it amazing how each one of us came to do our research. We collectively could probably write a book on how to do research in Mexico and each of us could include our personal experience and a little about our journey, our musings, how we listen to our ancestors as they try and guide us. Just another one of my crazy dreams.
Alicia
----- Original Message ----
From: arturoramos
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 7:25:26 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thank You Alicia
Alicia:
Thank you for sharing your experience with genealogy software and more importantly your analogy of such software and storage in one's home. It is a very vivid and valid analogy.
Just to share another story, this is how I got started with genealogy. My father asked me to help him organize information that he had so he could create a chart of some sort for a family reunion... if I had only known what I was getting into when I volunteered for the task and downloaded PAF...
My only mistake was to start entering names as quickly as possible without entering appropriate source information and details as to conjectures I was making along the way when the source documents did not explicitly state a relationship... Now it has become a real headache to fix what could have been done right from the onset with very little additional efforts. So my advice to anyone starting out is to document everything... PAF and other software has places to put notes and sources and these should be used extensively. You will thank yourself a few years down the line, not to mention that generations after you will thank you profusely as they review your work.
Dear Grupo, You guys need to realize and appreciate how truly blessed you are! You have been able to make family connections and share information. Everyday I read every email, even the ones I struggle with in Spanish. Every week I go to my FHC and find absolutely nothing. If it weren't that the only documented family members are in Panuco, Zacatecas, I'd think I'm in the wrong group! I need to share my experience, because I don't want the group to think that I don't care to share or don't work on my genealogy. It's just not happening. If there are any Santelices, Valerramas, Candelas, or Onates from the 19th to 20th century that I could connect with; I'd love to hear from you. Take care and continued success. Alice
-- missjuanni13@yahoo.com wrote:
From: juanita delgado
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Delgados of Pinos, Zacatecas
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 12:33:24 -0800 (PST)
JOSIE, MI PRIMA,
SOMETIMES I THINK I TALK TOO MUCH, BUT I SEE IT PAYS OFFFFFF!!!!!!!!!i IF I HADN'T DISCUSSED THAT PART WITH ARTURO, WE MIGHT NEVER HAVE KNOWN WE ARE ALSO RELATED IN ANOTHER WAY. SHUCKS!!!! LIKE MY SON SAYS(HE'S NOT TOO MUCH IN GENEALOGY), MOM, WE KNOW WE ARE ALL RELATED - LIKE THINK, ADAM AND EVE. LAUGH PLEASE. THERE'S NOTHING LIKE DOING YOUR OWN FINDINGS AND RESEARCH TO REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT IS GOING DOWN ON PAPER.
I HAVE HAD PEOPLE LOOK AT MY PAPERS AND THEY GO, WOW!, BUT IT CAN'T MEAN THE SAME TO THEM AS IT MEANS TO ME. I JUST LOVE, LOVE THESE PEOPLE I AM FINDING, FROM ONE OR TWO HUNDRED YEARS BACK. ACTUALLY, I WILL CONFESS THAT IT BRINGS TEARS TO MY EYES WHEN I DISCOVER SOMEONE NEW, I WISH I KNEW MORE ABOUT THEM, AND HAVE PICTURES, ETC. BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THEIR NAMES WILL HAVE TO SUFFICE, BUT I WRITE OUT WHAT I DO KNOW ABOUT THEM WITH SOMEWHAT A REVERENCE FOR THEM. MY ANCESTORS.
YES, WE'LL COMMUNITATE PRIVATELY.
TU PRIMA JUANITA
"Josie T. Trevino" wrote:
Juanita.......you and I connect on the Juan Bautista Sanchez line!!! He is
my direct ancestor also!!! I will write to you directly so we can compare
our info since it is in Tamaulipas, ok?
Your newest prima,
Josie in San Antonio
-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of juanita
delgado
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 6:06 PM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Delgados of Pinos, Zacatecas
Arturo,
Yes, you are so right about researching horizontally. I think I sort of
avoided that since I was working on three different lineages, and I thought
I couldn't afford to spend mroe time on any new people. I thought, "Now,
I'll never be finished".
I did just a couple of times: I found JUAN JOSEPH DELGADO in the 1780
census of REVILLA, TAMAULIPAS, who's wife was MARIA MARGARITA SANCHEZ DIAZ.
When I looked up more on her I found her father was JUAN BAUTISTA SANCHEZ,
brother of TOMAS SANCHEZ, the founder of LAREDO, MEXICO.Those censuses sure
do tell a lot.
And I really went back to the ancestry of MARIA JOSEFA GUTIERREZ de LARA,
who
married my ggggg grpa, JOSEPH MARIA TAMAYO y LUNA. I ran into a sonewall
with his ancestry, but found lots on her.
You are so right.
Thanks for listening.
Juanita G. Delgado
Hi, Peggy Delgado
I tried getting to you through your e-mail, but couldn't.
I see where you have? birth records from a place in Zacatecas. Where were you able to obtain them? My interest is also in Zacatecas, in San Matias, Pinos, but looks like I have run into a stone wall. Haven't met anyone outhere with the same interest.
Do you have a genealogy on your DELGADOS?
THANKS!!!!!!
jUANITA g. DELGADO
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----- Original Message -----
From: "juanita delgado"
To:
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 3:12 PM
> Vi con interes de el libro, "Retonos de Espana en Nueva Galicia" que
> incluye los nombres
de las primeras familias.
Busco a familias DELGADO, CONTRERAS, MARTIN, MELCALIN. <
Hola Juanita G. Delgado,
en la lista de las 117 familias españolas que llegaron en 1550 a la región
de los Altos de Jalisco, se encuentran tres familias MARTIN sus apellidos
fueron cambiando de generación en generación, por lo que en el libro están
ordenados en dos columnas la primer columna es la forma en que han
evolucionado hasta nuestros días y la llaman "uso actual" y la segunda
columna son los apellidos que tenían las familias cuando colonizaron la
región y la llaman "uso original".
uso original
MARTIN DEL CAMPO
MARTIN-GALLARDO
MARTIN DE SOTOMAYOR
Uso Actual:
MARTIN
(de Teocaltiche, Aguascalientes y algunos de Tepatitlán)
decendientes de:
MARTIN DE SOTOMAYOR
Uso Actual:
MARTIN
(del resto de la región)
decendientes de:
MARTIN DEL CAMPO
Aparentemente no se ha encontrado decendencia de los MARTIN-GALLARDO.
Los otros apellidos de tu interes no aparecen en esa lista.
Saludos,
Bertha
Like many of you I wish I had known back then what I know now abt saving and citing records.. I am learning from my mistakes and only making new mistakes!
My husband had repeatedly told me to back my files up in a place other than my laptop but I didn't listen so when I turned off my virus scanner and got a worm that wiped out everthing I had entered in the last 6 months I was very depressed.. I had my records from previously backing up 6 months before on a different computer. I lost photo's that I'd taken 2 years collecting from relatives on visits to California and I lost almost 5,000 names. Luckily I did still have the film records so it's been a matter of re-entering them for the past 6 months, a very hard task since I'm not sure what I entered during that time making going over the film notes one by one..
I'm trying to focus on Jerez Zacatecas but the ancestors from Zapotlan El Grande and Tamazula Jalisco keep pulling me in that direction, in fact that's where I started my research on my mothers family. I"m finding so many errors I guess I was meant to go back and clean up the records, add citations and connect lines I didn't realize were related..
I hope sharing my mistakes and experiences will make some of the new members aware of some of the pitfalls of reclaming the ancestors..
Linda in Everett
As I went through a few days of emails I noticed questions about the Inquistion I might have some leads for you.
On Sephardic . com the man who hosts the site has cumulated huge book of persons, He used to be very good about e-mailing names in certain locals if he found them in his research. Their are also lists of surnames and how many times in history and it is a good spring board.
Cecil roth author historian Of sephardic/conversos
Bancroft library isn't the only one who carries Bancroft Most local univerities and bigger colleges have vols on there shelves I can't stress enough check your local connections before you spend $$$ to work with the Bancroft.
For those members in New mexico check Zimmerman at UNM
Good hunting
mari
When was this place established in Jalisco? On IGI I found a possible match in my ancestry.
Ancelmo Rubio Hernandez
Parents: Juan Manuel Rubio & Juliana Hernandez
Wife: Guadalupe Diaz Gutierrez
Parents: Josse Diaz & Gertrudis Gutierrez
Marriage: 29 May 1805
Place: Tepititlan de Morelos, Jalisco, Mexico
Any help with this? Will be appreciated.
HELLO, THERE,
DOES ANYONE KNOW IF MEXICAN PARISH RECORDS ARE ACCESSABLE THROUGH THE BANCROFT LIBRARY?
THANKS!!!!!!!!!!
JUANITA G. DELGADO
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Hello, I was hoping if you, when you have time if you could look up some things for me on one of the calvillo films you have on infinite loan.
Eugenio Camino & Dolores Martinez
11 Jul 1849
Calvillo, Ags.
Romauldo Lizalde & Mariana Esparza
8 Oct 1870
Calvillo, Ags.
Mateo Velasco & Juana Garcia
3 Feb 1869
Calvillo, Ags.
Thanks, David I hope you can help a bit. If you ever need help you can contact me.
I found my 4th great grandfather two days ago.
Ramon Elizalde
Married 1824
in Calvillo, Ags. Mexico
Born abt. 1804
Can anyone help me? Any help is appreciated. (Well If I order the film I will get his parents which would be abt 1770?
Previamente Arturo explico, que es imperativo que cada genealogia
presentada a "NuestroRanchos" por cada miembro debe de cumplir
precisamente con el "standard". Esto es necesario porque algunas
genealogias sometidas son confusas, porque el modelo standard no se
empleo, y por ello son dificiles de comprender y complicaran su trabajo.
Siendo nuevo al grupo y si recientemente empezo su investigacion, le
rogamos que utilize uno de los programas de computacion, los cuales
organizaran sus datos segun el modelo standard de la genealogia. Uno de
estos programs es gratuito, se llama "PAF". Es producido y disponible en
el internet:
www.familysearch.org/Eng/Home/SimplePAFRegistration/asp
Al pulsar en este sitio, usted bajara a su computadora una copia
gratuita, y en ella apunte sus datos acumulados - este programa
facilitara su investigacion. Cuando tenga sus datos en PAF con nuestra
ayuda, actualizaremos su genealogia en nuestro sitio.
*/Joseph Puentes /* wrote:
As Arturo has already mentioned there is a great need to standardize
the submissions from the newest group members. If you go to these
new submissions within their folders sometimes it is very difficult
to understand who is who because of the way the information is entered.
If you are a new member and just started your research you need to
start working toward standardizing your information within a
genealogy program. One very good and FREE option is PAF.
Go to the www.familysearch.org site
(http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Home/Welcome/simplePAFRegistration.asp)
and download a free copy of PAF and start entering in your data. PAF
will help you be more organized and later we can then resubmit your
PAF assisted file.
As Arturo has already mentioned there is a great need to standardize the
submissions from the newest group members. If you go to these new
submissions within their folders sometimes it is very difficult to
understand who is who because of the way the information is entered.
If you are a new member and just started your research you need to start
working toward standardizing your information within a genealogy
program. One very good and FREE option is PAF.
Go to the www.familysearch.org site
(http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Home/Welcome/simplePAFRegistration.asp)
and download a free copy of PAF and start entering in your data. PAF
will help you be more organized and later we can then resubmit your PAF
assisted file.
thanks,
joseph
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Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)
First of all let me apologize for writing in English. I do not speak
Spanish. I also do not know what you wrote to Nuestros Ranchos, but
the names are familiar.
My father was Jose Ramon Romero de la Torre, son of Castulo Romero
and Sofia de la Torre. He was born in Tepatitlan de Morelos in 1907.
Meliton Gonzalez and Maria Navarro had a daughter named Maria
Gonzalez who married Miguel Barba. Miguel Barba's parents were Jose
Wenceslas Barba and Maria Mersedes (Brigida) Jimenez. Miguel Barba's
sister, Maria Encarnacion Barba married Jose Romero who is brother to
my grandfather, Castulo Romero. Castulo and Jose are the sons of
Manuel Romero and Marcelina de la Torre.
Maria Refugio de la Torre married Jose Jesus Navarro and have
children named Fernando and Maria. Fernando married Maria Luisa
Romero, my grandfather Castulo Romero's sister.
Gil Navarro was mentioned in the marriage registration of Manuel
Romero and Marcelina de la Torre. I haven't been able to read
everyone's name because I have a poor copy and it is hard to read.
It looks like our families connect. Do you know anything about the
de la Torre and Romero families? Are we cousins? I have gotten most
of my information through the microfisch copies of the Baptismos of
Tepatitlan in Salt Lake City.
I have posted my gedcom at nuestrosranchos. The entry for Manuel
Romero has an incorrect birth date. His parents were Serapio Romero
and Petra Pena. I will be sending a corrected gedcom to nuestros
soon. I just deciphered Manuel's parents names from his marriage
registration and am trying to find more information about Serapio and
Petra.
I am very excited to finally find a connection through Ranchos. I
hope we can help each other out.
Your cousin (I think)
Linda Romero
romero89@earthlink.net
> Researching: Romero, Hallstead/Halstead, Davis, Hamm, Capwell,
> Buell, Beltz, Chandler, Burgess, Hitchcock, de la Torre, Hotchkiss,
> Moore, Nichol/Nichols, Phelps, Scott, Sherwood, Trowbridge, Barba,
> Brewster, Fisher, Foulkes
>
>
Can't vouch for the individuals in this club as I've never met them.
Just FYI:
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Camión para deportistas
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 19:24:59 -0600
From: Municipio de Colotlan
To: josecolotlan@gmail.com
CAMION DONADO POR EL CLUB COLOTLENSE DE CHICAGO
El pasado fin de semana llegó a Colotlán el camión donado por el club de
colotlenses radicados en la ciudad de Chicago Illinois que ayudará al
transporte de deportistas y grupos artísticos del Gobierno Municipal de
Colotlán.
Los paisanos que integran este club hicieron esta importante donativo con la
firme convicción de apoyar al municipio mediante elementos básicos para el
desarrollo del mismo, anteriormente el club colotlense de Lafayette, Indiana
hizo entrega de una ambulancia para la comunidad de Dolores con el mismo
fin, entre otros apoyos que se han hecho por parte de los paisanos.
José Luis Saldaña, miembro de la mesa directiva del club colotlense en
Chicago y el Presidente Municipal, Enrique Álvarez de la Torre, al igual que
el Secretario General del Gobierno Municipal, Mario Duran, lograron que el
proceso de importación se llevara a cabo de manera correcta y en corto
tiempo.
El camión marca ?Internacional? modelo 95, de característica ?escolar?
cuenta con una rampa especial para discapacitados y cupo para 18 personas,
el cual se encuentra en buenas condiciones tanto en su motor como en la
carrocería e interiores según el diagnóstico que se le realizó a la unidad
por parte de los ahora responsables de su cuidado.
Los paisanos que estuvieron haciendo entrega de la documentación del camión
a las autoridades municipales, adelantaron que en pocas semanas estarán de
regreso con otro camión de características similares para la escuela de
educación especial.
?HACEMOS LATENTE NUESTRO AGRADECIMIENTO A LA GENTE RADICADA EN LA UNIÓN
AMERICANA POR SU AYUDA EN LA DENACIÓN DE ESTA UNIDAD DE TRANSPORTE EN
BENEFICIO DE LOS DEPORTISTAS Y GRUPOS ARTISITICOS DE COLOTLAN?
comunicacionsocial@colotlan.gob.mx
Calle Hidalgo No. 33, Colonia Centro, Colotlán, Jalisco. C.P. 46200
Tel. (499) 992 0209 / 992 0356 Fax (499) 992 0041
[Se han eliminado los trozos de este mensaje que no contenían texto]
Enlaces a Yahoo! Grupos
<*> Para visitar tu grupo en la web, ve a:
http://mx.groups.yahoo.com/group/colotlense/
<*> La configuración de tu correo:
Mensajes individuales | Tradicional
<*> Para modificar la configuración desde la Web, visita:
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<*> Para modificar la configuración mediante el correo:
mailto:colotlense-digest@yahoogrupos.com.mx
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<*> Para cancelar tu suscripción en este grupo, envía
un mensaje en blanco a:
colotlense-unsubscribe@yahoogrupos.com.mx
<*> El uso que hagas de Yahoo! Grupos está sujeto a
las Condiciones del servicio de Yahoo!:
http://mx.yahoo.com/docs/info/utos.html
Wow everyone should have a look at the files and members genealogies
Arturo has put a lot of work into making that easier for people to find
each other. It is now alphabitized and so nice looking.
thanks Arturo,
joseph
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Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)
(Espanol sigue abajo)
Our membership has grown substantially over the last year. We now have over 150 members, and due to Joseph's diligence, we now have genealogies from every member. This made the Members' Genealogy folder listing a bit long and difficult to use so we have decided to split it up into multiple pages and add alphabetical markers on each of the pages.
There are now three links from the Files page to member genealogies, one for A-G, another for G-M and another for M-Z. Please let us know if you have any problems using the new lists.
==ESPANOL==
Nuestra membresia ha crecido bastante durante el ultimo ano. Actualmente tenemos mas de 150 miembros y gracias a la diligencia de Joseph, ahora tenemos genealogias de cada miembro. Esto ha causado que el listado de carpetas de Genealogias de Miembros sea demasiado largo y dificil de usar asi que decidimos repartirlo entre varias paginas y anadir marcadores alphabeticos a cada una de las paginas.
Ahora hay tres vinculos desde la pagina principal de archivos, uno para A a G, otro para G a M y otro para M a Z. Por favor dejenos saber si tiene algun problema con las nuevas listas de carpetas.
Hello, I want to let everyone one I've changed my email address
Hello! I added a folder in member´s genealogy section. Is a piece or Barba surname from Jalostotitlan, Jal.
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Texas or Latin American History and tell them about this new conference
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thanks,
joseph
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Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)
personally respond to messages sent to this address.
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The following is a message from Joseph Puentes:
hi John,
I'm guessing that the name was originally Ojo de Agua de Rosales. Here it is on this map. I would place by place do a place search on the www.familysearch.org site and see which closest location was big enough to support a church.
joseph
Here is the link to your map:
http://www.expedia.com/pub/agent.dll?tpid=1&eapi=0&qscr=mmvw&msds=EX01D…
If clicking the URL above to view the map doesn't work,
simply copy and paste it into your Web browser -- make
sure the entire URL appears in your browser's address line.
Expedia.com
http://www.expedia.com
Book the right flight
http://www.expedia.com/pubspec/scripts/eap.asp?EAPID=0-1&GOTO=FLIGHTWIZ…
Reserve the perfect room
http://www.expedia.com/pubspec/scripts/eap.asp?EAPID=0-1&GOTO=HOTWIZ&rf…
Rent the right car
http://www.expedia.com/pubspec/scripts/eap.asp?EAPID=0-1&GOTO=CARWIZD&r…
Cristina do you have a connection in Calvillo for your Avila line? Who is your earliest and latest Avila?
Who do the Velascos descend from in Aguascalientes? Who was the first in the area? After studying about the conquistadores correct if I'm wrong but I think they were all related since they had the same father or grandfather? Can anyone help me with the Velascos.