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I have new info that makes me believe that there Huizar's Living in Colotlan, Jalisco. if any one has more info. please let me know. Thank You!

Tony,

You are correct about so many of us having the Ruiz de Esparza lineage. I have three lines with either Ruiz, Ruiz de Esparza or Esparza, depending on the records, they will interchange the Ruiz, the Esparza or Ruiz de Esparza.

One line is Esparza/Macias/Valadez from Jalpa Zacatecas and Nochistlan Zacatecas, sometimes shown as Ruiz de Esparza and sometimes only Ruiz, that's why for a time I couldn't connect some families because I did not see the connections until one day within the same document they used all three terms, Ruiz, Ruiz de Esparza and Esparza for the same event.
Another line is Ruiz de Esparza/Luevano/Sotomayor from Pabellon Rincon de Romos, Aguascalientes, Hacienda Garabato and the other line is shown mostly as Ruiz for 5 generations from Nochistlan, Zac, Rancheria Monte de los Duranes, who married into the Esparza/Luevano/Sotomayor of Aguascalientes in the early 1800's.

Alicia,
San Jose Calif

Original Message, From: tony cobos Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 Subject: Ruiz de Esparza in Aguascalientes

So many of us have this same Ruiz de Esparza line; has anyone done research
as to the "Vielma" family(s) from this early time frame? I have wondered if
references to "Biedma", "Viezma",
"Bedmar" etc. are the same or misspellings/mis-transcriptions of this name
or totally different families.

I've heard of Cuca but not Chucha for a woman. I heard this person
giving a lecture and he referred to so and so marrying a woman named
Chucha. IF this is a legitamate nickname what is it the nickname for?

thanks,

joseph

ps: I kind of remember hearing the word chucha as referring to a dog in
the femine.

[NOTE: If you received a private email from me you're who I'm talking to
IF YOU DIDN'T please don't panic and ask me about this]

If on 01 February 2007 you find yourself unsubscribed from here is what
to do:

1) Just go to nuestrosranchos.org and click on "Create New Account"

2) fill in the application in specific detail, and submit.

3) You'll get a form letter back telling you to send in your genealogy
to NR@JosephPuentes.com

4) When I receive your genealogy I'll activate your account. . .

. . .see how simple it will be.

thanks and I am sorry for the 50 or so of you that will be unsubscribed
from on 01 Feb 2007 that somehow it didn't work out for you and the
nuestrosranchos.org group to work together in our research of the
Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes area.

The doors will always remain open if later you want to undertake a
Serious Investigation of your Genealogical Roots.

thanks,

Joseph Puentes - Moderator

Thanks Gloria for all your help. I also wanted to know which Matianas do you have? Thanks. :)

Does a Nicasio or Narciso Esparza ring a bell? Is Nicasio a name? (est. birth 1810) in Calvillo, Ags. Bill does do you have this person as a descendant of Lope Ruiz de Esparza? Any help is appreciated.

Muchidimas gracias. la verdad si me preocupo el quedarme fuera del grupo.

Saludos
Fernando Pérez

----- Original Message ----
From: arturoramos
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 10:14:01 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Fernando no te apures

Fernando:

Como tu me enviaste a mi, y no a Joseph, tu GEDCOM, parece que no se te creo una carpeta en la seccion de archivos. Es a base de eso que Joseph controla la membresia. Ahora mismo te voy a crear una carpeta con un simple vinculo a la base de datos GEDCOM donde puse tu genealogia, que es lo que hacemos en casos como el tuyo donde los miembros entregan un GEDCOM.

Perdon por no haber hecho esto antes.

Saludos,

Arturo

Eliminado del grupo? Que debo hacer?

NOTA:
Si ha recibido un mensaje personal directamente de mi, es a usted a quien me refiero.
SI NO FUE ASI, por favor no se preocupe y pregunteme sobre la acción tomada.

Si para la fecha, Febrero 1, 2007 se encuentra usted eliminado del grupo, puede hacer lo siguiente:

1-Dirijase a "Nuestros Ranchos.com" y seleccione la opción: "Create New Account"

2-Llene la aplicación detalladamente y enviela.

3-Recibira una carta formulada solicitando que envíe su Genealogia a: NR@JosephPuentes.com

4-Cuando yo reciba su Genealogia, activaré su membrecía en el grupo.

Ve que fácil es?

Gracias, y lo siento mucho por aproximadamente 50 miembros que seran eliminados del grupo a partir del dia Primero de
Febrero del 2007.

Por alguna razón no dio resultado para usted ni para el grupo "Nuestros Ranchos.Com" trabajar juntos en la investigacion
en el area de Jalisco, Zacatecas y/o Aguascalientes.

Las puertas permanecerán abiertas si usted mas tarde desea emprender seriamente la investigación de sus Raices Genealogicas.

Gracias.

Joseph Puentes - Moderador

(Espanol sigue abajo)

I have updated the English version of the Nuestros Ranchos User Guide. It is still not complete but I have updated previously written sections which were outdated and written up what I think are some very important features such as using the Films Database and Searching the GEDCOM database. I have also added an appendix which shows three standard genealogy reports: Ahnentafel, Pedigree Chart and Register so that members can have examples of what genealogy reports should look like. Ideally the reports in your genealogy folder should be in one of these formats for easy sharing with other members.

I strongly suggest that any new members download the guide and print it out to have as a guide of what resources are available on the site and how to make the best use of it. I am hoping to get the changes translated soon.

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/14123

== ESPANOL ==

He actualizado la version de ingles de la guía de usuario de los ranchos de Nuestros. Todavía no esta completa pero he puesto al día las secciones previamente escritas que eran anticuadas y he escrito secciones sobre lo que pienso son algunas características muy importantes tales como usar la base de datos de las rollos de microfilmacion y como hacer busquedas en la base de datos de GEDCOM. También he agregado un apéndice que demuestra tres reportes estándares de la genealogía: Ahnentafel, una tabla pedigrí y registro para que los miembros puedan tener ejemplos de como deben parecer los reportes de genealogía. Idealmente los documentos en su carpeta de la genealogía deben estar en uno de estos formatos para que otros miembros puedan facilmente comprenderlos.

Sugiero fuertemente que cualquier nuevo miembro descargue la guía y la imprima para tener como guía de qué recursos están disponibles en el sitio y de cómo hacer el mejor uso de él. Esperamos tener una traduccion de la actualizacion en el futuro proximo.

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/14123

I just added some photo's of my maternal and paternal families in the albums section under Linda Castanon-Long. I will be adding a few more in the coming week.

Linda in Everett

Let's say you have a PAF file you are unfamiliar with. How would you?:

1) Find specific locations within the file? Say I was hunting for any
individual whose roots are in Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes
just as an example?

2) Find specific individuals?

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

As part of the remake of the Nuestros Ranchos site that I would like to do over the next few months, I would like to redo the "main image" of the site to include names of places that we cover written in very old documents, i.e. parrish records or wills. I have plenty of scans from my area around Colotlan and Tlaltenango but would like to include some from Los Altos, Aguascalientes and northern Zacatecas. If anybody has any old photos of towns in these areas or scans of documents where the names of towns are written out, can you please email them to me or upload them to the Albums section?

I really appreciate it. Are there any good graphic designers out there?

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15586

--- Joseph Puentes escribió:

> desculpe la tarde contestacion. Aqui tengo su
> carpeta de archivos listo
> en los archivos. Manda otro correo a
> research@nuestrosranchos.org y
> ponga este URL adentro del correo:
> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15586
>
> gracias y pregunta si tienes preguntas.
>
> gracias,
>
> joseph
>
> ===================
>
> Joseph Puentes
>

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the nuestrosranchos.org site continues because of the hard work and
dedication of its volunteers: Kitty Cortez, Alicia Carrillo, John
Gonzalez, and Enrique Legaspi. It sounds like there will be others who
are joining in to do the work as well soon.

We all know the great work that Arturo has done with the website and a
continued thanks go to him for his efforts. Muchisimas Arturo!

I just wanted to publicly thanks John Gonzalez and Enrique Legaspi for
their help in doing Translation work for me when I needed something to
be said "correctly." You all have seen that my written Spanish is
terrible and these two gentlemen have stepped up to help me greatly and
I'm counting on them to help in the future. Thank you John and thank you
Enrique.

I wanted to point out two special volunteers whose efforts are going
unnoticed by the members of the group but without their help the burden
of the workload would have destroyed my will to continue on in the group
as one of the Moderators:

1) Alicia Carrillo: Our Spam Master. She is the one that allows or
disallows Spam from getting to the group. Have you noticed how the
nuestrosranchos.org site gets no spam? Well it is sent to a special
folder where on a daily basis Alicia goes in and deletes all the spam
and hunts for the misc. message that a new member will send before they
reply to those three confirmation emails that we must all reply to
before being allowed to send messages to the lists. Anyway this job in
this day and age is very needed and time consuming. I was stressing
about it and Alicia came to the rescue and has helped greatly in
assuring that no legitimate messages get tossed out with the tons of
spam the three lists receive daily. Mucha Gracias Alicia.

2) Kitty Cortez: Our Potential New Members Screener. Whenever potential
new members apply for a new account they get sent a message saying they
need to do their own research and send in their representative genealogy
to be admitted as members of the group. After about 15 days of no
response Kitty sends them an email reminding the potential new members
that in order for their membership account to be activated they need to
send in their genealogies. Then after about 30 days Kitty sends a last
message saying that if they don't reply ASAP (deadline given) their
application for membership will be deleted. I can't believe how many new
potential members are applying every week thanks to Arturo's site design
which allows the search engines to find us. This job got really out of
hand and I was straining under the load of doing it until Kitty
volunteered to help. Thank you thank you thank you, Kitty!

I can't express how much I appreciate the efforts of Alicia, Kitty,
John, and Enrique. Having said that I don't want them to think that I'm
just assuming they will do this job forever (it would be okay with me if
they wanted to do it forever). Arturo has already made a call for new
volunteers to help with some projects he has lined up and I want other
members to keep in mind that I might need help from you in possibly
assisting Alicia and Kitty. Now they are Trojans and have not asked for
any help and I won't be interfering with their efforts but it is
possible that sometime in the future they might need a "break" or
assistance. So I want all of you to think of getting on my list of
people that I can potentially call upon if I need an "on-call" volunteer.

thanks again for everyone's interest, participation and contribution to
the group.

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

Hi Bill, I have a Pablo Vasquez on IGI who married Martina Esparsa on 18 Feb 1835 and my 4th grt grandmother should be Matiana Esparsa but then I found a child who I do recall named Petra Vasquez Esparsa on IGI born Feb 1845 in Calvillo. And I found my 3rd grt grandfather just now on IGI Leandro Vasquez was baptized on Mar 1848 in Calvillo so now I have solid proof that the Vasquez came from Calvillo. Do you think Matiana and this Martina could be the same person? I think they should of married before 1845 I was totally off. I had Leandro born on 1857 which is 9 years Off!

Hi Bill, I too believe this might be Pablo Villalobos as "Pablo Vasquez'' because it would make sense he was married a first time to Martina Esparsa on 18 Feb 1835. Hmm maybe Martina is Matiana's sister? I don't know. So far a lot of my lines seem to be leaving huanusco and coming from Calvillo which is right on the border. Thanks for all your help. I was reading about the Esparzas and it said Lope II married Francisca de Gabay Navarro y Moctezuma. Doesnt that mean Francisca maternal side comes from Emperor Monctezuma? Hope we can work together to uncover my mysteries. Are you by chance related to Lope Ruiz de Esparza?

I've found Maria de la Luz Avila Calvillo on IGI she was baptized on 11 Mar 1832 in El Sagragrio, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico!

The Lobato's were from Sombrete, Zacatacas can someone tell me where this is? And where would I find records earlier than 1690's?

Denise Lovato-Duran

My grandfather told me that our two Esparza lines came from Aguascalientes before entering Huanusco, Zacatecas. I was researching this Esparza line who the patriach is Lope Ruiz de Esparza who came to Mexico in Feb 8, 1593. There is a film named (Catalogo de Pasajeros a Indias (Vol. III - #2.633) where it states this information. I believe all Esparzas in that area came from him since there wasnt any Esparza active during the conquest that I have found. Maybe there's a connection from mine to them? Can anyone help? Thanks. -Daniel

Okay folks listen up!

One day someone is going to desperately want to search for a specific
email by using the search engine. In order for the search engine to work
to this advantage we need to give the proper names for the subjects of
the emails.

1) If you are replying to an email and are changing the subject please
change the subject accordingly. You can say something like: Census
Records - was: "Introduction"

2) Yes and lets start getting just a bit more specific about the
subject. One day we might need to look for someones introduction and
come to find 100 messages with the subject being "Introduction" why not
lets say: "Joseph Puentes: Introduction"

3) Also let's try to keep in mind what each of the three email lists are
for:

research@nuestrosranchos.org is for messages that are specifically for
research in our area: Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes.
_Messages related to genealogy but not about Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or
Aguascalientes should not go to this list. _

general@nuestrosranchos.org is for brief discussions about genealogy
_outside our area of research_ OR messages about _other topics_ that the
group might find useful including those that are related to Jalisco,
Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes. IF IF someone starts a conversation
about genealogy research related to Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or
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thanks for your help with this,

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

Looking for any information to huizar family name in aguascalientes. I have extensive info on Huizar family related to Pedro Huizar in eeuu. any info would be great! thank you!

Did you get an anounment from me?

Denise Lovato-Duran

Hello joseph,

I would like to take this opportunity to say thanx as well to you and to Kitty , Alicia John and Enriquie . Sometimes you forget just how much work is involved in maintaining a smooth operation , kinda like the duck theory , you see the duck on the surface of the lake gliding ever so smoothly but, what you don't see are his feet underneath paddling away .

Thank you all !
Welester

> Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 08:49:08 -0500> From: makas@nc.rr.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] The Function of the nuestrosranchos.org Group Continues Because. . .> > > > the nuestrosranchos.org site continues because of the hard work and > dedication of its volunteers: Kitty Cortez, Alicia Carrillo, John > Gonzalez, and Enrique Legaspi. It sounds like there will be others who > are joining in to do the work as well soon.> > We all know the great work that Arturo has done with the website and a > continued thanks go to him for his efforts. Muchisimas Arturo!> > I just wanted to publicly thanks John Gonzalez and Enrique Legaspi for > their help in doing Translation work for me when I needed something to > be said "correctly." You all have seen that my written Spanish is > terrible and these two gentlemen have stepped up to help me greatly and > I'm counting on them to help in the future. Thank you John and thank you > Enrique.> >
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Sr. Arturo:

Disculpe la tardanza en contestar, no se mucho inglés pero creo que si le puedo ayudar en la traducción pienso que en un 70% u 80%, usted digame que es lo que hay que hacer e inmediatamente nos ponemos a trabajar en la traducción de ese manual.

Saludos
Fernando Pérez

----- Original Message ----
From: arturoramos
To: announce@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 9:19:08 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Voluntario para Guia de Usuario

Fernando,

Gracias por la oferta de ayudar. Podrias traducir el documento de ingles a espanol si logramos escribirlo en ingles? Esa es una tarea que no requiere mucho conocimiento de computadoras en si, pero si un poco de terminos tecnicos (del internet). Creo que Victor, quien traducio lo que ya tenemos, lo hizo muy bien y leyendo lo que el hizo se pueden aprender muchos de los terminos si no los sabes.

Que te parece? Te animas?

agustin mota wrote: hello evryone i find myself stuck in my familt reasearch. can somene help? what i need is information for my mota line. i am up to 1862 with agustin mota.next would be vicente mota apr,1840 and francisca herrera husband and wife from totatiche jalisco. i am looking for guidence.the famiy reaseach facility in my area for some reason is closed. thank you for youre support. agustin

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