Mary I'm waiting for a marriage film from Zapotiltic Jalisco Mexico (0225928, years 1800-1851) that has your ancestors, Urbano Sanchez and Dolores Ruis marriage record. Do you already have it or would you like me to make a copy of it for you? The history center reopens on Jan 7th. My ancestors are on that film too.
Linda in Everett
Tepatitlan is not that far from Aguascalientes........people traveled long distances all the time. It might take them days or weeks to get there but travel they did. Keep in mind that they did not go to work every day if they were agrarians, they grew their subsistence crops and in fallow times would travel from town to town to see family. Some were traveling merchants whose living it was to go from town to town selling their wares. In many instances these traveling merchants up and left their home town if they found another town more desirable with better prospects for making a living. Some males had families in more than one town, they might take up with someone in another town.
So many possibilities exist, some up and left if they or a family member had killed someone. They would change their name and take up life in another town under an assumed name, quite often it was a grandmother's surname or some other family name.
Keep your mind open to all the possibilities and don't assume that any town could be too far.
Alicia Carrillo
San Jose, Calif
----- Original Message ----
From: "sandragomezmendoza@yahoo.com"
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 4:38:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Romo (de Vivar) Family in Jalisco andAguascalientes
Guess we are family :-)
I had the same issue with Bernabe!
It is very common to have records from great distances this way. There was a lot of movement during that time as a lot of families were still settling. Ill email you more info abt Bernabe tonight.
Saludos!!
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
-----Original Message-----
From: Karr Wolfe
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:28:46
To:general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Romo (de Vivar) Family in Jalisco and
Aguascalientes
I'm new to this, and I need help connecting my GGG grandfather José de los Santos Romo de Vivar (b.1807) to what seems to be the original location of most of the Romo de Vivar family in the region of Aguascalientes. I have discovered through family records and FamilySearch transcribed christening records a lineage that takes me back to Bernabe ROMO, listed on a baptismal certificate as the father of Gregorio ROMO (b. abt 1780) of Encarnación (de Díaz), Jalisco. But I am having trouble pinning him down. I have found a Bernave ROMO DE VIVAR who married Anna Gertrudis FRANCO in 1761 in Tepatitlán, Jalisco--and those are the names of my ancestor's parents. But the trail goes cold in Tepatitlán, because I can't find out any more about Bernabe (Bernave) ROMO DE VIVAR, even though I am pretty sure that is his correct name.
I have found an IGI record of a man called Bernabe ROMO-DE-VIVAR who was born in 1740 in Rincon de Romos, in the state of Aguascalientes. The only thing that makes him a good candidate is that he was born at the right time, about 20 years before the marriage of Anna Gertrudis FRANCO in 1761--in Tepatitlán, which is pretty far away from Aguascalientes. And to make things worse, there is an IGI listing for a man with exactly the same name who was born 20 years earlier in Rincon de Romos, which is even farther away from Tepatitlán.
How confusing!
I need help finding the right Bernabe (Bernave) Romo de Vivar and getting back on the trail!
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Anyone know anything about this per chance?:
Subject: CUAUHTEMOC, DISTRITO FEDERAL, MEXICO
Author: silkmiss (silkmiss.msn.com)
Surnames: BIDEZ, DE BIDEZ, DE MURCIA, BAUTISTA
Classification: queries
Message Board URL:
http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.mexico.chihuahua/4147/mb…
Message Board Post:
I am trying to find this place in Mexico. More specifically, I am trying to locate information on Hernando de Bidez who married Juana Bautista on May 23, 1593 there. His place of birth was Savilla. His parents were Alonso de Bidez and Leonor de Mrcia.If you know where this place is or was or if you have any information on this family please contact me.
Thank you.
Dear Fellow Researchers:
I was surprised to find out that kidnappings were not that unusual. Our ggrandmother was supposedly "stolen" from her parents by a foreigner who was either an engineer or delivered the payroll to the "Mines"
My ggrandmother was from Chihuahua and her parents name might have been"de la Mora or de la Moral". She was pregnant with my grandmother "Isabel" when her "kidnapper disappeared. .
My grandmother's father disappeared before she was born and her mother died when she was 4 so she was raised by the servants who gave her the name of Morales.
Her father (the foreigner ) supposedly had z's,x's and k's in his surname and my grandmother looked like she could be Russian or Ukranian.
I took the DNA (genographic project) hoping to discover what her ethnicity was but as of yet no matches have been found. I am Haplogroup X.
Anyone have any suggestions as to how I could trace my grandmothers roots either for her mother or her father?
Thank you,
Aida Garralda
garralda@cox.net
>
> Hola Ronnie,
I do have the marriage of Juana Regina de Mendoza and Domingo Lomelin in my
database and a few entries for their children (Jose and Manuel), but it may
not be as complete as what you have since they are not my direct lines.
Anyway, what I have for Jose de Lomelin is that he married Michaela de
Hermosillo. My source for this marriage is a marriage dispensation I found
for their daughter, Francisca de Torres.
This is what I found in that marriage dispensation. It is roll
#0167971, date 27 Nov 1686, Xalostotitlan. It is a "dispensa de
consanguinidad" to marry Thomas de Paez. Francisca and Thomas were related
through their great-grandmothers Geronima de Benavides and Maria de
Benavides (they were sisters).
Geronima was the mother of Ana Muñoz. Ana Muñoz was the mother of Francisca
Sanchez Carranza. Francisca Sanchez Carranza and Francisco de Paez were
Thomas de Paez's parents.
Maria de Benavides was the mother of Domingo de Lomelin. Domingo was the
father of Joseph de Lomelin. Joseph de Lomelin and Michaela de Hermosillo
were Francisca de Torres' parents.
I don't have a spouse for Manuel de Lomelin in my database, but I'll keep
checking and let you know if I find anything. I hope you find this helpful.
Saludos from your new prima,
Maria E. Cortez
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:09:20 -0800
> From: Ronald Reynoso
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Attention Maria Elena Cortez--MANUEL GOMEZ
> To: "research@nuestrosranchos.org"
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>
>
> Hola Maria Elena,My name is Ronnie Reynoso from Claremont,Calif. My
> Granndparents are from Los Altos de Jalisco(San Julian ,Jalisco) about 15
> minutes from San Miguel el Alto.I checked your file and noticed you have
> alot of the same family lines> I was checking Prima Irma Gomez Lucero file
> on MANUEL GOMEZ-my question is is at the bottom letter to Irma . She wrote
> back recommended I ask you .Irma doesn't recall her source concerning Juana
> Mendoza 's children 's spouses. I was wondering what is correct.
> Thank you for your time
> Ronnie Reynoso related to almost everybody from Los Altos.
>
>
>
> From: chilerey@msn.comTo: igomezlucero@csus.eduSubject: ConfusedDate: Sat,
> 8 Dec 2007 12:52:55 -0800
>
>
> Hola Prima ,how are you and your family ? I hope well. Hey I was just
> messing with my computer ,files ect. I was looking at your File on MANUEL
> GOMEZ (our ancestor) . You noted that # 2 Juana de Mendoza married to
> Domingo de Lomelin -Child:Jose de Lomelin married Inez Munoz de Hermosillo
> abt 1700.In Jose Luis Vazquez 's book Genealogia de Nochistlan,page 97 he
> states that Manuel de Lomelin son of Juana de Mendoza and Domingo de Lomelin
> married first#1 to a Josepha Perez Maldonado in 1667then second#2 to Inez
> Munoz de Hermosillo.Also in Jose Luis Vazquez 's book he has Joseph(Jose)
> de Lomeli married to Micaela Gonzalez de Hermosillo ,this is on page #96Jose
> Luis Vazquez has made a few mistakes in his book,let me know your source . I
> am going to write to Mary Lou Montagna who help write the book.let me know
> what you find out.tu Primo 1000 vecesRonnie Reynoso
>
>
Hola Maria Elena,My name is Ronnie Reynoso from Claremont,Calif. My Granndparents are from Los Altos de Jalisco(San Julian ,Jalisco) about 15 minutes from San Miguel el Alto.I checked your file and noticed you have alot of the same family lines> I was checking Prima Irma Gomez Lucero file on MANUEL GOMEZ-my question is is at the bottom letter to Irma . She wrote back recommended I ask you .Irma doesn't recall her source concerning Juana Mendoza 's children 's spouses. I was wondering what is correct.
Thank you for your time
Ronnie Reynoso related to almost everybody from Los Altos.
From: chilerey@msn.comTo: igomezlucero@csus.eduSubject: ConfusedDate: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 12:52:55 -0800
Hola Prima ,how are you and your family ? I hope well. Hey I was just messing with my computer ,files ect. I was looking at your File on MANUEL GOMEZ (our ancestor) . You noted that # 2 Juana de Mendoza married to Domingo de Lomelin -Child:Jose de Lomelin married Inez Munoz de Hermosillo abt 1700.In Jose Luis Vazquez 's book Genealogia de Nochistlan,page 97 he states that Manuel de Lomelin son of Juana de Mendoza and Domingo de Lomelin married first#1 to a Josepha Perez Maldonado in 1667then second#2 to Inez Munoz de Hermosillo.Also in Jose Luis Vazquez 's book he has Joseph(Jose) de Lomeli married to Micaela Gonzalez de Hermosillo ,this is on page #96Jose Luis Vazquez has made a few mistakes in his book,let me know your source . I am going to write to Mary Lou Montagna who help write the book.let me know what you find out.tu Primo 1000 vecesRonnie Reynoso
Thank you so much for the information, my Juan Jose Acevedo was married to Manuela de la Vega; since the only records are their sons marriages, I think they must have married between 1750 and 1773, as their first son was born in 1773. His name was Jose Torribio. I appreciate your information is Tlatenango close to Tepetongo?
There could still possibly be a connection don't you think?
Thank you
Aida
garralda@cox.net
----- Original Message -----
From: Héctor Felix Aizcorbe
To: garralda@cox.net
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:52 AM
Subject: ACEVEDO
Aida:
Attached is an Excel file which shows the ancestro of Maria Luisa de Acevedo y Alarcon, my ancestor, the sister of Juan Jose de Acevedo.
Regards,
Hector
San Juan Bautista is the parish of Sombrerette
--
Esther A. Herold
-------------- Original message from Leticia Leon : --------------
> San Juan Bautista is the name of a parrish or the name of a town or a ranch?
>
> eaherold@att.net escribi
I'm not related either -- that I know of. But I'd love to hear how the
story pans out -- and I too live in the Inland Empire of southern California
in the city of Rancho Cucamonga.
~Deena Ortiz~
> This is an interesting post. It contains enough history to intrigue
> me; unfortunately, I'm not related. Marge:)
>
> On Dec 9, 2007, at 8:42 PM, SylviaRodriguezRobles wrote:
>
>>
>> I live in the Inland Empire of Southern California. My grandfather
>> and all of his siblings fled (because of the Mexican
>> Revolution)Teocaltiche in 1917 for Peach Springs, Arizona and
>> ultimately permanently settling in Needles, CA.
>> We were told they all fled because they were forced to make saddles
>> and other leather goods such as holsters for Pancho Villa's "Posse." I
>> know from reading history now that General Carranza had orders to kill
>> any Villa symphathizers..I do not know if he is the culprit, other
>> than they fled for their lives under threat of harm.
>> I just bought and recieved Nicolas Sanchez De Anda's book:
>> "Teocaltiche: La Importancia De Sus Hijos."
>>
>> I have a small book I bought in 1997 while visitng Teocaltiche, same
>> author, "Teocaltiche: Tierra de Arrieros Y Hacendados Con Familias
>> Ilustres." I bought it from the town cronista who is also the author's
>> uncle?
>>
>> Page 25 list my great grandfather Mauro Rodriguez as one of the most
>> well known Talabarteros-leathercraftsmen of the present and last
>> century.
>>
>> Interestingly, I have met on two occasions young women who are
>> Rodriguez from the same town with the same history of leathercraftsmen
>> in ther family history. They are, however, recent immigrants with
>> closer ties to their history. I am the lost tribe I guess. I was
>> treated as a real surpise when I asked the cronista for information on
>> the Rodriguez who were leather craftsmen in town named Rodriguez.
>> First, I was told I could not be from that family, so I said fine give
>> me the other Rodriguezes. No no other just us.
>>
>> I would like to share this tie with Nicolas De Anda. I mean 80 years
>> of a gap and finding each other just randomly in town. It would be fun
>> to document the tie.
>> Other names were included as working in thie craft: Aguilera, Arroyo,
>> Garcia, Gonzalez, Rameriz, Sandoval, Rodriguez-Ruiz.
>>
>> Are any of you out there?
>>
>> Sylvia Rodriguez Robles
Nicolas has just published his latest book "Historia de Teocaltiche Pueblo de La Region Caxcana Nueva Galicia-Zona de Los Altos de Jalisco". This book covers the history of area as well as naming well known families in the Teocaltiche area.
He mentions owners of haciendas and ranchos. He lists the ranchos in the district of Teocaltiche which includes: Agua Blanca, Aguegotita, Alaznas, Alconero, Anoria, Atepoca de Arriba, Atepoca de Abajo, Atotonilco, Belen, Bocadito, Buenavista Calera, Calerita, Canada del Mezquite,Canada Grande, Cienega de los Tejedas, Cofradia, Custique, El Catalan, El Refugio, El Santo, El Tablero, Gavilan, Haciendita, Jabonera, Las Animas, Las Trojes, Los Amoles, Los Carrillo, Los Gregorios, Mascua, Mendocina, Morisco, Nangue, Parras, Paso de Canas, Pedregoso, Pueblito, Puera de Cornejo, Rancho Viejo, Rincon de Abajo, Rincon del Zapatero, Rio Chico, Salitre, San Antonio, San Marcos, Santa Barbara, Tequesquite de Abajo, Tequesquite de Arriba, Villita de Ornelas.
He has a list of Ranchos in Mexticacan and Paso de Sotos also.
My research partner David Valdez y Marquez and I are also listed in Nicolas' bibiliography. Dave had shared information with Nicolas during our findings while extracting information from films in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes and Teocaltiche, Jalisco. Needless to say Dave and I found out we are also related to Nicolas about 11 generations back.
I have contacted George Farias at Borderlands Bookstore in order to obtain a copy of this new book. George also sells Nicolas' other two books covering Teocaltiche, Jalisco.
http://www.borderlandsbooks.com/index.asp
About the author:
http://www.teocaltiche.gob.mx/comunidad/personajes/nicolasdeandasanchez…
Rosanne Gonzales-Hardy
Fresno, CA
I am also looking for a history of San Martin, Zacatecas. I believe the colonists fought in the Chichimeca War. I am researching my Navarro Rodriguez family.
I am also researching Panuco before 1600. I am researching Sepulvedas and General Zavala family.
Thank you.
--
Esther A. Herold
-------------- Original message from H
Does anyone know if the extracting process happens on a film for the IGI do they extract everything or certain records? or just some? My working on my camino line and it appears they come from Pinos, Zac. but there is only one family listed in Pinos at the time frame. 1790's. All caminos so far on IGI come from Jose Camino and Gertrudis Fernandez de Villapando in Pinos on the IGI. Any help? Thanks!-Daniel Mendez del Camino
Sounds like a report card, doesn't it.
I can't believe that it is the 2nd of December - already ... where has the time gone??
Well - this is a kind of report card on what I managed to get done in genealogy research. At the beginning of the year I set some goals for my Zacatecas research. I read many films, but the truth is that I didn't find all the information I had set as my goal. Anyway - here is a listing of the films I went through - most did not have indices, which means having to have read them page by page (zzzzz - my eyes got mighty heavy): (NOTE - all are films of Zacatecas)
0604817 Regis. Parroquiales, San Juan Bautista, Sombrerete: Bapt./1863-1869;
search for Pascual DUENAS/DUEÑAS - Not found
0654983 Regis. Parroquiales, San Juan Bautista, Sombrerete: Matrim./1793-1854;
searching for marriage of Julio DUENAS/DUEÑAS con Ma. Guadalupe DURAN;
FOUND! 29 May 1853, Sombrerete, Zacatecas
1164727 Regis. Parroq., La Purisima, Valparaiso: Bapt/1831-1870 (note: catalog says 1868-1870);
search for Prisciliana CASTRO - Not Found
(Note: many records on this film were severly damaged, incomplete, or non-existent)
1164728 Regis. Parroq., La Purisima, Valparaiso: Bapt/1870-1876
search for Prisciliana CASTRO - Not Found
Did FIND rec. for Porfirio CASTRO, a brother of Prisciliana (Parents: Evaristo CASTRO
and Felipa LOPEZ)
1164741 Regis. Parroq., La Purisima, Valparaiso: Inform. Matrim./1878-1892;
search for marriage of Julio DUENAS/DUEÑAS con Prisciliana CASTRO - Not Found
1081927 Regis. Civil, Valparaiso: Defunciones/1900-1903
search for Pascual DUENAS/DUEÑAS - Not Found
1081937 Regis. Civil, Valparaiso: Matrim./1883-1884;
search for Pascual DUENAS/DUEÑAS con Prisciliana CASTRO - Not Found
1506940 Regis. Civil, Valparaiso: Inform. Matrim./1864-1904;
search for Pascual DUENAS/DUEÑAS con Prisiciliana CASTRO - still searching
1081926 Regis. Ciivil, Valparaiso: Deaths/1895-1899;
search for Pascual DUENAS/DUEÑAS - Not Found
1081928 Regis. Civil, Valparaiso: Deaths/ 1904-1907;
search for Pascual DUENAS/DUEÑAS - Not Found
1082247 Regis. Civil, Valparaiso: Births/1868, 1870, 1873-1875;
search for Prisciliana CASTRO (dau. of Evaristo CASTRO and Felipa LOPEZ)
- still searching
This concludes my year-end report regarding my research. 2009 will most likely be devoted to research on my husband's family (in AR, MS, AL, NC, MO, TN)
Thank you all for sharing your discoveries - it is always exciting to read about the found primos. Good luck in the coming year.
BTW - we did have additions to the family tree this year in May, and last year (2006) in October.
Take care - Peace and blessings,
Natalie Castro Coleman, in Virginia
I hope somebody can answer this for me. I remember that, a long time ago, on the Yahoo Ranchos group, I downloaded a file that had the results of the INEGI Mexican census for the states of Aguascalientes, Jalisco, and Zacatecas. Later on, I think it was on Jonathan Walker's cd, I saw the complete review for all the states. It included the reported population on every single municipio and every single city, town and rancho in the whole country. Does anybody know where can I find this file? It was in Adobe format.
The reason I need it, is because I started volunteering in the 1930 mexican census project. I am currently indexing pages for the state of Chihuahua, and some of the localities are hard to read, so I thought that by looking at the current census listings, I could descipher the name I am looking for.
Hope somebody helps me with this.
Saludos,
Steve.
I receive a newsletter weekly from Pat Gooldy of Ye Olde Genealogy Shoppe. The following is an excerpt from her latest newsletter that I thought I should share with the group.
Emilie
I belong to an online newsletter called "Librarians Serving Genealogists", which comes out daily with interesting information and inquiries. It is a free newsletter and, although anyone can join it, it is aimed mostly at genealogical librarians. The general public will find the information of limited use. They do not answer research questions from the general public. Recent inquiries and answers concern how to give a lecture on the services offered by (and differences) between Ancestry.Com and ProQuest, what services and materials area are needed when setting up a new genealogy library, how to interact more with the public etc.
Recently, this information came in one of the emails, and I thought I would share it with you. The names of the librarians involved have been deleted since there is no purpose is listing them here.
Question: Twice I have found a California Death Record in both the vital search- ca.com website and the microfiche California death records that we have in our library, but failed to find it in the California Death Records on the Ancestry Library edition database. I didn't find it under the name nor under the social security number no matter how I searched. Has anyone else noticed a problem like this?
Answers:
1) We don't have the California death indexes in our library, so I can't say for sure about those records. However, I do know that the Washington Death Index as it appears on AncestryLibrary is incomplete. The database is supposed to cover Washington deaths from 1940-1996, but routinely deaths from the 1950s and early 1960s and even some from the 1970s do not show up. But those deaths are on the microfilm. There doesn't appear to be any explanation for the gaps, and it's been that way for several years. I don't know if they are updating the database or not. Knowing that the Washington Index is so spotty has made me suspicious of the other death indexes on AncestryLibrary. Your experience with the California records seems to confirm those suspicions. I know no index is ever perfect, and I am grateful for the records that are there. But it would be nice if Ancestry could add a note or something explaining that there are gaps, or that the indexes are being updated--so
me clue!
2) In the Washington State Death Index on Ancestry there is a 10 year period (roughly 1955-1965) when there were only about 6 people who died. If you search the index with just the year, you'll see most years in this period show 0 deaths. If ancestry fails, we always check the microfilm. 9.5 times out of 10 we find the listing there.
Thanks for clarifying Joseph. I thought it was names...but I still would like the census. It's good information to have!
Peggy
----- Original Message ----
From: Joseph Puentes
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, December 3, 2007 12:21:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] 2000 Mexican Census
Just a note of clarification in case some are not understanding. The pdf
that Steven and Jonathan are referring to only includes information on
the towns and NOT the names of individuals in those towns.
Jonathan has been very gracious and helping to the group, just ask
anyone from the group that has travelled to SLC and met him. He has also
put a lot of work into this great resource. It would be a very very nice
gesture for the receiving parties to offer to compensate him for his
effort in assembling the information on the CD.
joseph
====================
Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://H2Opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
mexicanfhr wrote:
> The pdf files for the 2000 Mexican census, did come from my Resource CD. Those that would like a copy, can contact me off the list (at mexicanfhr@gmail.com) to make arrangements to get one.
>
> Also, the files for Aguascalientes, Jalisco and Zacatecas, were in the file section on the yahoo Ranchos group.
>
> And the Family History Library does have copies of the same report, for the 1960 and the 1990 census.
>
> Jonathan
8. Latin American Pamphlet Digital Collection
http://vc.lib.harvard.edu/vc/deliver/home?_collection=LAP
Over the centuries, thousands of pamphlets have been published to serve
various purposes. Some have been preserved by individuals and prescient
institutions, but countless others have disappeared forever. Harvard
University's Widener Library has over 5000 pamphlets from 19th and 20th
century Latin America, and until recently, they remained uncataloged and
mostly inaccessible. Visitors to this site can browse the collection by
title, subject, name, and genre. The materials offered here range from
documents on accounting practices to those dealing with yellow fever.
Additionally, visitors looking for descriptive documents that describe
unexplored territories and the relationship between church and state will
not be disappointed. The site also contains a nice help feature and
visitors can also email questions to staff members at the library. [KMG]
Por medio de este foro quisiera saber mas acerca del origuen del Apellido Tavares, mi ancestro mas remoto es Eligio Tavares de Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, anteriormente llamado Santa Maria de los Lagos , Jalisco.
Eligio Tavares se caso con Juliana Ortiz en el año de 1862 y tubo los siguientes hijos:
Nemecia Tavarez Ortiz 1862
Maria Espiridiona Tabares Ortiz 1863
Plasida Tavares Ortiz 1865
Benigna Tabares Ortiz 1867
Jose Merced Tavarez Ortiz 1873
Sostenes Tavares Ortiz 1874
Cayetana Tavares Ortiz 1878
Andres Tavares Ortiz 1880
Andres Tavares Ortiz se caso con Julia Gomez Collazo en el año de 1907, actualmente sus descendientes
viven en Fresnillo Zacatecas y la Ciudad de Mexico.
Espero estos Datos sirvan para hacer algun nexo con otros miembros del grupo e intercambiar informacion.
Thank you! My brother spent years looking into my mom's side of the family. I know it was a lot of work. This is excellent advice. I will pursue it. I know that this type of research requires verification after verification. If, Librada, Pabla & Porfirio were aunts & uncle to my grandfather, then I may be seeing where my grandfather's name came from. But, I don't want to jump to conclusions, so I need to get the records you referenced. I appreciate your help. Thanks.
Steve Macias
----- Original Message ----
From: arturoramos
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 9:09:19 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Pablo Macias' Grandparents
Steve:
Welcome to the group and congratulations on your early finds. I am sure you will realize that this becomes a never ending quest with each discovery and confirmation only opening up more questions and opportunities for further research.
One thing that I would suggest is that if you have not yet looked at the actual baptism record for your grandfather Pablo Macias, you order the relevant film and look at it. In the archdiocese of Guadalajara, all baptisms were required to list the names of the four grandparents beginning around 1810... thus his baptism should confirm his maternal grandparents' names.
The pattern of Jacinto being used as the daughters surname... changed to Jacinta was not uncommon especially among indigenous people who otherwise lacked a surname, i.e. the second name became the surname. Vicente appears to not have had a surname since in the baptism of his daughter Librada he is listed with no surname.
If Anastacia Jacinta is indeed your ancestor, these would be her siblings:
Librada JACINTO - Vital Records Index
Gender: F Marriage: 09 Jan 1884 Jesus Maria Pueblo, Jalisco, Mexico
LIBRADA N. MARQUES - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 21 AUG 1864 Jesus Maria Pueblo, Jalisco, Mexico
Pabla JACINTO - Vital Records Index
Gender: F Marriage: 15 Oct 1884 Jesus Maria Pueblo, Jalisco, Mexico
Porfirio JACINTO - Vital Records Index
Gender: M Marriage: 09 May 1888 Jesus Maria Pueblo, Jalisco, Mexico
I am researching my grandfathers branch of the family tree. I have considerable oral information. Enough to get started at least. Here is what I know of my grandfather. His name was Pablo Macias.
Pablo Macias was born 29 June 1884 in Ayo El Chico, Jalisco. His father was Justo Macias. According to my aunt, his mother was Anastacia Guzman. She is certain that her grandfather's name was Justo. (I have an uncle with the same name.) She was not certain of her grandmother. She was sure that her first name was Anastacia. Guzman was the part she questioned. In my brief research, after joining this group, I found that my greatgrandmother's name could be Anastasia Jacinta. I consider this information pursuable due to the fact that I located Anastasia Jacinta married to Justo Macias on Feb. 18 of 1879 in Jesus Maria Pueblo, Jalisco. The Justo Macias was the son of Francisco Macias and Jesus Gusman.
My aunt is 86. My father is 80. They both traveled to Ayo El Chico, along with my grandfather, two or three times, and years ago. My grandfather died in 1973. They met their cousins during the trips. According to my aunt, my grandfather had a brother named Julio Macias. Julio had four children, 2 boys and 2 girls. The boy's were Miguel and Benjamin. One of the girl's was named Victoria. My aunt also reported that my grandfather had 2 sisters.
In their visits, my aunt told me that she met, or learned of, a man named Juan Lopez. He would be about my grandfather's age and was reportedly one of his best friends.
I should also add that my grandfather moved from Jalisco at an early age. He ended up in North Texas.
Back to Anastasia Jacinta, I see that her father's name was Vicente Jacinto and her mother's name was Refugio Marques. If I establish that I am a desendent of Anastasia Jacinta, I will be very curious about this family as well.
Well that's enough for now. I welcome any information that would assist me in my effort to learn more about my family.
Thanks
Steve Macias
Buenas tardes a todos!
Este es mi primer post y me da mucho gusto finalmente formar parte de Nuestros Ranchos. Tengo casi 10 an~os trabajando en el arbol genealogico y ya tengo como 1500 personas en el. Es muy interesante ver como todo mundo en Nuestros Ranchos es "familia" de un modo u otro. Mis familias incluyen: de Moctezuma, Hermosillo, Gutierrez de Hermosillo, Gonzalez de Hermosillo, Ruiz de Esparza, Romo, Romo del Vivar, Enriquez, Gomez, Munoz de la Barba, Ramirez de Mendoza, Samaniego, Soria, Reynoso etc etc
Ahora vivimos en San Antonio, TX pero las ultimas 4 generaciones de mi familia son de Juchipila, Amoxochitl, Moyahua y Apozol, Zac. Por historias de los abuelos se que durante la revolucion se perdieron muchos registros y pues he topado con una pared. Se que originalmente llegaron de Aguascalientes y Jalisco pero hay como 150 an~os que no he podido encontrar. Especialmente me interesan los Enriquez, Samaniego, Soria, Reynoso y Esparza del area de Juchipila, Amoxochitl, Moyahua y Apozol de entre el 1650 y 1800.
Alguno de ustedes tiene alguna idea de como pudiera encontrar mas info?
Gracias!
I just returned last night from a visit to my parents' home in Mexico and had the pleasure of spending a couple of days in the archives in Guadalajara with the town historian (cronista) of Totatiche, Esteban Valdes Salazar. We visited the Biblioteca Publica del Estado as well as the Archivo Historico del Estado de Jalisco.
The former archive has the archives of the Real Audiencia de Guadalajara, including records of civil and criminal legal proceedings. At that archive, I was able to locate a copy of the 1711 will of Pedro Carlos de Godoy, which was included as part of the litigation documentation over that will. A transcription of the will is included in my file folder. It includes a wealth of genealogical information about the Carlos de Godoy family as well as some interesting information about customs related to property and inheritance. For example, he takes account of what each of his two wifes brought the respective marriages, compared to his wealth, presumably to show that what he was willing was in fact his and not his wife's... Also he leaves his unmarried daughters a disproportionate amount of wealth, presumably so that they can pay their dowries, which he makes clear he had paid for his married daughters.
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/13649
The latter archive includes the Fondo de Tierras y Aguas which includes "mercedes de tierra" or land grants made by the Spanish Crown as well as later divisions, sale and clarification of land boundaries. The collection has many documents related to families in our region. I reviewed the indices which the archive has compiled on the collection, paying special attention to the Jerez and Tlaltenango jurisdictions and read through a couple of documents related to land grants to Francisco Escobedo and Felipe Lemus... This collection is all filmed and available through LDS though a good index is key.
I need help, since everyone know that I descend from Don Juan del Camino, hidalgo who was the preseident de la audencia and grandchild of Juan Camino, a hidalgo who was the register and conquistador had a coat of arms. I would love to see my families coat of arms. Finally a line with proof and evidence with coat of arms its a fun breakthrough! I got hte coat of arms from Pares but cant seem to see it. Its sys its microfilmed. I want to know the microfilm number can someone point it out. Here is all the info. The family line currently ends at Juan I Camino's father who is Garcia del Camino, hidalgo born around
Texto de búsqueda "camino" , entre las fechas 1300 y 1600 , del Archivo Archivo General de Indias , dentro de la unidad Mapas y Planos
RESUMEN:
Título de la unidad: "Escudo de armas de Juan del Camino, hidalgo, vecino de Guadalajara, poblador de Nueva Galicia y maestre de Campo en el ejército de Cristóbal de Barrios"
Archivo: Archivo General de Indias
Signatura: MP-ESCUDOS,40
Soporte:
ÁREA DE CONTEXTO
Historia Institucional / Reseña Biográfica:
patronato
Signatura Histórico:
PATRONATO,169,N.1,A.1538,R.7
ÁREA DE CONDICIONES DE ACCESO Y UTILIZACIÓN
Índices de Descripción:
Camino, Juan del
Escudos de armas
Guadalajara (México)
Nueva Galicia. Poblador
Unidades Relacionadas por Procedencia:
Es PATRONATO, 169,N.1,A.1538,R.7
SOPORTE Y VOLUMEN
1 Mapa(s)/Plano(s) en Soporte: Pergamino
REFERENCIA MICROFILM
C-7421
Yolanda,
My grandfather Antonio Portillo was born in Santa Rosalia in 1888. Would you
be so kind as to look in your data base for any information concerning this
part of my family. On his mother's side the surname is either Gamero,
Gomero, or something similar. I believe he had a sister named Juana.
By the way I lived In Las Cruces most of my life, but now am living in
Austin.
Thanks in advance for any help.
Gilbert Paez
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Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 16:00:04 -0600
From: "Bill Figueroa"
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Los "de Angola"
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Hola Felipe,
Estoy seguro que el v?nculo al que te refieres es real, porque he encontrado
referencias en los registros de Aguascalientes que indican que muchos
hacendados ten?an esclavos originarios de Angola. Sin embargo, esto no
tiene nada que ver con el caso del Sr. Cruz Bustamante. El hecho que alguien
escribi? en su record "Aguascalientes, Angola" es probablemente un error
cometido por la persona que hizo el ?ndice que de Ancestry.com. Yo supuse
que Lupe se refer?a a tiempos m?s antiguos porque no hab?a le?do sus correos
anteriores.
Bueno, ya que tocamos el tema de los esclavos en M?xico, debo decirte que
creo que muchos eran originarios de Angola. He visto en algunos registros
que a esclavas negras no bautizadas se les daba como apellido el nombre de
su pa?s de origen. As? por ejemplo he encontrado algunas con nombres como
Mar?a de Angola, Juana Angola, etc. Lo mismo pasaba con los indios. He
encontrado a una Mar?a Chichimeca, etc. Es probable que as? se haya
originado el apellido Angola que mencionas en tu correo.
Como sabr?s, los Portugueses llevaron grandes cantidades de esclavos a
Brazil. Era un negocio que extendieron al resto de Iberoam?rica, incluyendo
la Nueva Espa?a. Otra raz?n puede ser que haya sido el idioma, ya que el
portugu?s es muy parecido al castellano. El portugu?s suena como un espa?ol
muy antiguo. Nunca he tenido dificultad comunic?ndome con Portugueses y
Angolanos en su propio idioma, ellos habl?ndome a mi en portugu?s y yo
contest?ndoles en castellano. Es mejor as? que mezclar los dos idiomas en
lo que se conoce conoce como "portu?ol" (mitad portugu?s y mitad espa?ol.
Volviendo al tema, es un hecho que la mayor?a de hacendados tuvieron
esclavos en los siglos XVI y XVII. Mis propios antepasados tuvieron
esclavos negros, no solo en M?xico sino en Centroam?rica. Por ejemplo, el
registro de Defunciones de Aguascalientes dice que "En doce d?as del dicho
mes y a?o [12 Sep 1634] enterr? a un mulato de la estancia de San Bartolom?.
D?josele una misa". La hacienda de San Bartolo era propiedad de Luis
Tiscare?o de Molina y Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza. M?s adelante hay otra
partida de defunci?n que dice textualmente "En tres dias del mes de henero
de el a?o de 1636 enterre a una negra esclava que truxieron de la estancia
de lope ruis de esparsa dixosele una missa". La estancia de Lope Ruiz de
Esparza era conocida como Morcenique, or Morci?ique, por quedar en las
m?rgenes de dicho r?o. Datos similares aparecen en casi todos los registros
parroquiales y en los padrones de Aguascalientes, empezando con el de 1648.
Claro que hablamos de 100 a?os des
pu?s de la conquista, ya que los primeros esclavos africanos llegaron con
Hern?n Cort?s. Ya por 1636 se hab?an multiplicado y mezclado con la
poblaci?n ind?gena y espa?ola, dando lugar a muchas castas. Esto es m?s
notorio en el Estado de Veracruz, donde quedaron muchos de los descendientes
de los primeros esclavos que vinieron a laborar en la zafra de la ca?a de
az?car y en la siembra de otras cosechas que se dan all? por la fertilidad
de sus tierras.
Bueno Felipe, es todo por hoy. A ver que opinan los dem?s del grupo.
Saludos,
Bill Figueroa
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