Nuestros Ranchos Site

Reading of breakthroughs, reminds me of finding the name of my grandmother's
twin sister and the correct year of her birth. For as long as I can
remember, my grandmother, Concepción Martínez Tisnado de Monreal, had
debated with my great uncle, Miguel Martínez Tisnado, as to which of them
had been born in 1889.

Wanting to satisfy my curiosity, I consulted the IGI; however, my
grandmother
was not listed. I knew the information should be in the parish archives of
Altar, Sonora and waiting to be found. As`` some of you know, not all
entries from parish archives are found in the IGI and, even then, they may
be
incorrect. When the microfilm arrived, I went to the entries for May 1,
1889,
the date my grandmother said was her birthdate as shown on her birth
certificate from the state of Sonora.

Not finding the entry, something told me to look in the entries for 1888. I
went
to those for for May 1, 1888. Yes, there were the entries for my
grandmother
and her twin sister, Guadalupe. Telling my grandmoher I had found the name
of
her sister, made her very happy. However, having to admit she was a year
older
and her brother was born in 1889 was a disappointment to her.

This find was in 1982 and I am still researching the Tisnado line. To date
the earliest find has been the marriage of Joseph Domingo Tisnado and María
Magdalena Contreras on 28 Aug 1732. Even though my finds to date have
been in Sonora (and the portion of Arizona which was part of Sonora), I feel
closer to my ancestors being I now live in Tucson, AZ: my fourth
great-grandfather, Juan José Tisnado, was garrisoned at the presidio in
Tucson
and his grandfather was garissoned at the prsidio in Tubac.

George
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 2:40 AM
Subject: General Digest, Vol 8, Issue 17

Hi, Everyone:

I am trying to see if there is a connection between my family and the
Romero's/De La Torre's of Tepatitlan de Morelos. My Martin Del Campo
ancestors were from there and my great-aunt Rosario Martin Del Campo married
a Romero before she immigrated to the United States. I have an old photo of
the wedding party I plan on uploading (or is the correct word downloading?)
that includes herself with her sister, my grandmother, Magdalena, to her
right, and her other sister, Maria Luisa on her left. Behind each of them,
stands their escorts and I'm wondering if the man behind Rosario is the man
she married. Must be, but I am not sure. If it is, then that is a picture
of the Romero she married. She must have married him pretty young. It had
to have been taken in the very early 1920's. When I get my scanner fixed I
will be able to get that photo online for others to see.

Corrine Ardoin

Does anyone know why a film would have a batch number but no associated film # or dates for the film on the IGI?

Any help would be appreciated. I have copied below an example for Asientos, Aguascalientes, Mexico that has the batch # but not the film# or dates.

Alicia Carrillo
San Jose, Calif

PAULA
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 26 FEB 1884 Nuestra Senora De Belen, Asientos, Aguascalientes, Mexico

Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: PABLO LUEVANO Family
Mother: LEOCADIA SAUCEDO

Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

C646205

John Robles asked where I am located and that he knew a Martin Del Campo.
That made me realize I did not elaborate on my genealogy just where I fit
in. The Martin Del Campo line is my mother's mother's paternal line. My
grandmother's maiden name was Martin Del Campo. She and her husband raised
their family in Los Angeles. I live in Santa Maria, California. So, my
genealogy begins with me, then my mother, then my grandmother, Magdalena
Martin Del Campo, then her father, which is my great-grandfather, Alberto
Martin Del Campo and it goes on up the line from there. My grandmother's
siblings and other Martin Del Campo relatives that came to the United States
scattered across the country, primarily settling in the Los Angeles area and
elsewhere in Southern California and in New Jersey.

I have photos of some of the people listed in my genealogy. I hope to
contribute those, as well. Just got to get the darn scanner fixed!

Corrine Ardoin

THe most I had to present besides the cash was a death certificate of the person I was looking for.
My great uncle's soc sec # was on his death certificate so I knew what social security # to request the
a copy of the original app under the freedom of information act.

--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from Leticia Leon : --------------

> Hi,

Speaking of the Robles family, does anyone know anything about a Cap.Diego Robles in CUencame. He is supposedly credited with the finding of Parras,Coahuila in 1598. He was from Cuencame.

I ask because I am desended from the Robles family from Parras, General Cepeda, and Monclova. I am blocked and struggling to make a connection to him.

Thanks,
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from john robles : --------------

> I actually did ifnd a person named Robles in Puebla and I emailed to see if they
> were a relation. I haven't heard back though. Robles is a much more common name
> than Nieves, I think...
> Actually my Spanish if fine but not when it comes to deciphering what a man
> says in a narrative that is sort of rambling with sentences that go on for
> miles!
> I have attached a copy of it..if anyone wishes to translate it I would be
> eternally grateful and try to return the favor somehow. I get the gist of it but
> would love to read every word.
> John
>
> Joseph Puentes wrote:
>
> Just a quick message about the most valuable resource in my genealogy so
> far. Somehow someway I managed to copy a couple of pages out of an old
> phonebook that my mom used to use. The copying took place way before I
> was seriously interested in genealogy and I promptly put them in with a
> very tall stack of papers in my "save" section of multiple other stacks
> of papers. Well one day many years after, but during my new found love
> for genealogy (just about 12 months ago) I found that paper and boy was
> I surprised. Here in my own handwriting was the answer to my brickwall.
> A phone number to a person that my aunt had told me to contact because
> they were related to my maternal Grandmother who I didn't even know what
> her real name was. I called that person and got enough information to
> find my Grandmother's baptism certificate and then a few generations
> more back. Then on those pages from the phone book I found another
> branch of my maternal Grandfathers family effectively increasing that
> side of the family at least 100% and maybe upward of 200-300%.
>
> Aside from old personal phone books I have spent a lot of time with just
> regular phone books. If your spanish is not so good just start with the
> border cities in the US and call all the people in those towns (El Paso,
> Calexico, San Diego, many others) with the surnames you are hunting for.
> Just tell them right off what you're doing something like: "I'm a
> genealogist and I share the same surname as you do. My 'Puentes' come
> from Jalisco Mexico and I was wondering if your 'Puentes' line also came
> from Mexico? etc. etc. etc." I've managed to find several lost branches
> of the family with that technique and it also works when calling mexico
> even though I needed to find a good calling card that gives lots of
> minutes for Mexico.
>
> I guess I said all that to say that yes I have many times felt something
> very similar to feeling the way John Robles has felt in finding
> breakthroughs. I describe it as my heart do physical backflips.
>
>
>
>

Thank you John, you are so right... Pat

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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 19:47:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: john robles
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] A Geographical Breakthrough!
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
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Nice note...I like to think that on some level, the spiritual essence of our ancestors are aware that we are trying to find them and are happy knowing that they are not forgotten. Sometimes I like to imagine I hear them whispering a word, a clue to lead me to the next find...this is all very romanticized I am sure but it makes me feel good!!
John Robles

papagaia2 wrote:
To All That Share...
Thank you for sharing your 'touching,' stories of finding your ancestors. I
too had a very similiar situation, on two occasions... it's a feeling of
being given a 'special gift.' I no longer try to explain the why or what
made it happen, but simply accept these remarkable 'finds,' as a sign that
my ancestors are guiding my way, though some continue to play 'hide and
seek'. Many thanks to all...
Pat Silva Corbera
Tracy CA

I am looking for Antonio Manual Rivas born about 1725 in San Pedro de Gallo, Zacatecas.
I can't find any film for the town at that time period. I have been looking for information on the town to see
when it was first settled . He might have been baptized in a near by town but can't make up my mind
as what other town seems most likely.

Antonio moved to Galeana, Nuevo Leon and married about 1753 to Maria Guadalupe Pinto y Galvez.
The Pinto family was from Charcas, san Luis Potisi.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from eaherold@att.net: --------------

> Alice,
>
> I will call you cousin for I have Onate ancestry also. My Onate heritage dates
> back to the colonization of Zacatecas and Oaxaca of New Mexico.
>
> You found the marriage of Agustina Santelices and Luis Onate. That is a good
> begining. I am willing to help you research the Onates. So far I have been
> lucky in my own research. I am kind of curious if you go back to Juan or
> Cristobal Onate as I do. I will need the date of Agustina and Luis' marriage and
> the place and the church. I also need to know where and when the other children
> of the marriage were born. Did you read the documents in their entriety?
>
> Let me know what you think.
> --
> Esther A. Herold
>
>
> -------------- Original message from Leticia Leon :
> --------------
>
>
> > thanks for your answer.
> >
> > I

I just wanted to let you know that I uploaded a file in the Member's
Genealogy of my Martin Del Campo ancestry. I tried to, at first, keep it to
what I have proven thus far in documentation, but I hope to be able to add
to it soon. On the IGI, I have found what may be more people to add to my
chart, but I still need to check into that for myself. I hope others find
what I have provided helpful and informative for their own research.

Corrine Ardoin

I just have to share this, especially with you John Robles, since you are new to Mexican searches:

For the six years that I have been using the IGI on FamilySearch.com, I have been looking and looking for my husband's great-great grandmother who I found listed on her marriage certificate as "Antonia Ornelas". I have found her ancestors clear back to the early 1700s. Her parents were listed only as "Ramona Ornelas" (hija natural de) in her marriage record and in some of the baptisms of her children. Even though her mother Ramona appears to have been married at the time to a Gregorio Gonzales, and the children of that marriage born before and after Antonia have both parents listed in their baptismal records, I could never find Antonia. She has been listed in other records variously as "Ma. Antonia Ornelas" or "Antonia Gonzales" or "Antonia de Leon" (don't know how the de Leon ties in).

SO, for some reason today the Muse told me, "Look for Antonia again", and though I was not in the mood, and I have house and yard work to do, I sat down at the computer and for some reason just typed in "Maria Antonia" in the first name field and "Mexico" in the Country field, then when it said "more than 25" I clicked on "refine" to enter the state name (Jalisco), then I started thumbing through thousands of "Maria" entries (it did not pick up the Antonia), refined it further to the date range that I thought Antonia might have been born in (1825, +/- 2 yrs, then 1830, etc.).

I kept telling the Muse, what is this going to get me, I probably won't even get Encarnacion de Diaz to come up since the listings for Jalisco are enormously long and the cities are not arranged alphabetically but in batches (more on that later) and the FamilySearch will only access 5000 names at a time, and if what you are looking for is not in the first 5000, you cannot get more records to download. BUT, I just kept at it, and after viewing a few thousand Marias, the Muse said, "See that?" Yes, I saw it---HORNELAS!!! Not knowing old Spanish, I never thought to look for Hornelas instead of Ornelas. That Hornelas wasn't Antonia, but it gave me the clue that some priests wrote Ornelas with an "H".

NEXT, I did a new search by entering just Hornelas in the surname field, then refining it to Jalisco, and voila! it brought up only a few Hornelas, one of which was my husband's Antonia. She is listed simply as Antonia Hornelas, no Maria in front of it, and her only parent listed is Ramona Hornelas. I have the film on permanent loan, but haven't gotten to it yet, since I review all my films slowly looking at every record. Why she is listed with her mother's surname only and why only her mother is listed in her baptism record is a mystery.

As for looking for people by looking up the BATCH number for a certain city and date range, I never would have found Antonia that way. The batch she is listed in has no Ornelas, because the priest did not spell that name that way. The batch number searches work well if you know the possible alternate spellings.

Halleleujah!

Emilie --doing the happy dance out the door in Port Orchard, WA (the weeds and the fresh air are waiting for me)

Thanks, I will dp that when I get home tonight.

-----Original Message-----

From: "Emilie Garcia"
Subj: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Old Personal Phone Books/John'sBreakThroughDance
Date: Thu Sep 28, 2006 10:39 am
Size: 3K
To:

John Robles,

You can't send attachments to the list. Arturo will tell you to upload it to the files section.

Emilie
----- Original Message -----
From: john robles
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 6:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Old Personal Phone Books/John's BreakThroughDance

I actually did ifnd a person named Robles in Puebla and I emailed to see if they were a relation. I haven't heard back though. Robles is a much more common name than Nieves, I think...
Actually my Spanish if fine but not when it comes to deciphering what a man says in a narrative that is sort of rambling with sentences that go on for miles!
I have attached a copy of it..if anyone wishes to translate it I would be eternally grateful and try to return the favor somehow. I get the gist of it but would love to read every word.
John

Joseph Puentes > wrote:

Just a quick message about the most valuable resource in my genealogy so
far. Somehow someway I managed to copy a couple of pages out of an old
phonebook that my mom used to use. The copying took place way before I
was seriously interested in genealogy and I promptly put them in with a
very tall stack of papers in my "save" section of multiple other stacks
of papers. Well one day many years after, but during my new found love
for genealogy (just about 12 months ago) I found that paper and boy was
I surprised. Here in my own handwriting was the answer to my brickwall.
A phone number to a person that my aunt had told me to contact because
they were related to my maternal Grandmother who I didn't even know what
her real name was. I called that person and got enough information to
find my Grandmother's baptism certificate and then a few generations
more back. Then on those pages from the phone book I found another
branch of my maternal Grandfathers family effectively increasing that
side of the family at least 100% and maybe upward of 200-300%.

Aside from old personal phone books I have spent a lot of time with just
regular phone books. If your spanish is not so good just start with the
border cities in the US and call all the people in those towns (El Paso,
Calexico, San Diego, many others) with the surnames you are hunting for.
Just tell them right off what you're doing something like: "I'm a
genealogist and I share the same surname as you do. My 'Puentes' come
from Jalisco Mexico and I was wondering if your 'Puentes' line also came
from Mexico? etc. etc. etc." I've managed to find several lost branches
of the family with that technique and it also works when calling mexico
even though I needed to find a good calling card that gives lots of
minutes for Mexico.

I guess I said all that to say that yes I have many times felt something
very similar to feeling the way John Robles has felt in finding
breakthroughs. I describe it as my heart do physical backflips.

Just a quick message about the most valuable resource in my genealogy so
far. Somehow someway I managed to copy a couple of pages out of an old
phonebook that my mom used to use. The copying took place way before I
was seriously interested in genealogy and I promptly put them in with a
very tall stack of papers in my "save" section of multiple other stacks
of papers. Well one day many years after, but during my new found love
for genealogy (just about 12 months ago) I found that paper and boy was
I surprised. Here in my own handwriting was the answer to my brickwall.
A phone number to a person that my aunt had told me to contact because
they were related to my maternal Grandmother who I didn't even know what
her real name was. I called that person and got enough information to
find my Grandmother's baptism certificate and then a few generations
more back. Then on those pages from the phone book I found another
branch of my maternal Grandfathers family effectively increasing that
side of the family at least 100% and maybe upward of 200-300%.

Aside from old personal phone books I have spent a lot of time with just
regular phone books. If your spanish is not so good just start with the
border cities in the US and call all the people in those towns (El Paso,
Calexico, San Diego, many others) with the surnames you are hunting for.
Just tell them right off what you're doing something like: "I'm a
genealogist and I share the same surname as you do. My 'Puentes' come
from Jalisco Mexico and I was wondering if your 'Puentes' line also came
from Mexico? etc. etc. etc." I've managed to find several lost branches
of the family with that technique and it also works when calling mexico
even though I needed to find a good calling card that gives lots of
minutes for Mexico.

I guess I said all that to say that yes I have many times felt something
very similar to feeling the way John Robles has felt in finding
breakthroughs. I describe it as my heart do physical backflips.

Nicolás de Anda Sánchez' new book is now available at Borderlands Book Store. Enter the # 890 in the search box and it will take you right to it.

http://www.borderlandsbooks.com/

Teocaltiche is located approximately between Guadalajara and Zacatecas. This is a historical narrative but contains a profusion of genealogical information.The book is divided into five parts: Part one is " Epoca Prehispanica,", Part Two is "Siglo XVI," Part Three is " Siglo XVII, Part Four is "Siglo XVIII," and Part Five is " El Siglo XIX, DE 1800 Al 1823."
Contains names of area ranches and five appendices of genealogical data, such as children confirmed, person who owned slaves, a 17th century census, and baptisms/census of 1708 and 1722. Mexico City, 2006 privately printed 1st Ed., SPTXT, 198 Pgs., 8 71/2 x 11, PB.

Rose Gonzales-Hardy

Hello Leticia, I'm starting my search with nothing but family names. I was only 12 when I met my great-uncle Adolfo Onate in Guadalajara and have no idea what part of town I was in, and since my mother never kept up any correspondence, I have nothing but family names to go on. Sorry, but these are the brick walls I've been battling for about two months now. Thanks for keeping me in mind; I keep reading all the messages posted and ordering films from the FHC in hopes of finding some kind of lead. Alice B. Blake

--- marionicia@yahoo.com.mx wrote:

From: Leticia Leon
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Los O���ate de Alice
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 03:44:20 -0500 (CDT)

Hi, ¿where in Guadalajara did Adolfo Oñate was living at that time, do you have an address or at least a street name? Because I have relatives Oñate in Guadalajara, decendants to Marcial Oñate, cousin to my ggfather Francisco Oñate Solis, maybe in that matter is a path to follow.
AliceBB escribió: Hi Esther, Agustina and Luis Onate never left Mexico. Adolfo Onate was here for a while, but returned to Mexico, where I met him in Guadalajara, Jalisco 40 years ago. I'm new to this and have never requested SS records. Don't you need to show some sort of direct/legal connection for that? I know nothing about him or anyone else, except for names. Thanks for the suggestions. Possible Prima, Alice

--- eaherold@att.net wrote:

From: eaherold@att.net
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Los O���ate de Alice
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 02:00:27 +0000

Did Luis or his siblings ever collect social security? If they did then you can request their social security application which might have their place of birth recorded and date of birth. Same with Augustina and her siblings.

--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from AliceBB : --------------

Hi Esther, Agustina and Luis Onate never left Mexico. Adolfo Onate was here for a while, but returned to Mexico, where I met him in Guadalajara, Jalisco 40 years ago. I'm new to this and have never requested SS records. Don't you need to show some sort of direct/legal connection for that? I know nothing about him or anyone else, except for names. Thanks for the suggestions. Possible Prima, Alice

--- eaherold@att.net wrote:

From: eaherold@att.net
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Los O���ate de Alice
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 02:00:27 +0000

Did Luis or his siblings ever collect social security? If they did then you can request their social security application which might have their place of birth recorded and date of birth. Same with Augustina and her siblings.

--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from AliceBB : --------------

Esther, Sorry, but the only data I have is for Agustina Santelice's parents' marriage in Panuco 1882. Unfortunately, I don't have any info on Agustina's marriage to Luis Onate. That's the problem, Esther. I have no dates or firm locations of births, etc. I did find Luis Onate's brother Adolfo's WWI Draft registration that states his birth as Sept 27, 1896 in Villa Garcia, Zac. I will order Vault Film 1089262 that contains nacimientos of that date. I know their father's name: Rosalio Onate, but not my ggrandmother's name at all. Hopefully, I'll find Luis and Adolfo's parents and grandparents' names on the film. Wish me luck and thanks so much for your interest. I need all the help I can get. Alice B. Blake

--- eaherold@att.net wrote:

From: eaherold@att.net
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Los O�ate de Alice
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 04:58:43 +0000

Alice,

I will call you cousin for I have Onate ancestry also. My Onate heritage dates back to the colonization of Zacatecas and Oaxaca of New Mexico.

You found the marriage of Agustina Santelices and Luis Onate. That is a good begining. I am willing to help you research the Onates. So far I have been lucky in my own research. I am kind of curious if you go back to Juan or Cristobal Onate as I do. I will need the date of Agustina and Luis' marriage and the place and the church. I also need to know where and when the other children of the marriage were born. Did you read the documents in their entriety?

Let me know what you think.
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from Leticia Leon : --------------

> thanks for your answer.
>
> I�ll be asking to my father, over and over until I squeez his brain as I am
> used to do. He�ll be 84 on oct, some times I brake adobe walls with this
> technique! He could remember something, I almost hear the whispering spirits
> around, if I were a dog my ears would be pointing up. If any news, be sure I�ll
> tell.
>
>
> AliceBB escribi�:
> Hi Leticia, My mother's maiden name was Enedina Onate; she grew up believing
> she was born in Aguascalientes, Aguas. May 14, 1915. Her parents were Luis Onate
> and Agustina Santelices, who separated, and therein lies the rub. My mother was
> estranged from the Onates all her life and when she sought them out about 40
> years ago, she found an aunt Leonarda Onate in Aguas.,Aguas. who in turn took us
> to meet an uncle Adolfo Onate in Guadalajara, Jalisco. They told us of another
> sister Maria Onate in the US. who married a first cousin Eduardo Onate! I was
> with Mom on this trip, and Tia Leonarda took us to a church where her father/my
> ggrandfather Rosalio de Onate was a benefactor, and is entombed. Unfortunately,
> I was about 12 at the time, and while I remember the white marble tomb, I wasn't
> much interested. It was on that trip that Tia Leonarda and Uncle Adolfo informed
> my mother that she was actually born in Villa Garcia, Zac. GGrandfather Rosalio
> and ggrandmother Petra
> Candelas/or Candelario supposedly had a tobacco hacienda that was lost in the
> revolution. After all that effort, my mother never kept up correspondence with
> the Onate's. To date, the only family info I have been able to verify through
> FHC records, is the marriage of my grandmother Agustina Santelices' parents:
> ggrandmother Maria Valderramas to ggrandfather Francisco Santelices in
> Panuco,Zac. on April 20. 1882, although it states they were from Vetagrande,
> Zac. That entry states no children, when they actually had two daugthers. And
> that's about it. My Onates are NOWHERE to be found and that FHC entry is the
> only mention of a Santelices. It's been a brick wall ever since! There are lots
> of Valderramas and Candelas, but until I find a link, I don't know which ones to
> follow. Thanks so much, Alice B. Blake
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
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Thank you Joseph and Arturo,

Pat Silva Corbera

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Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 6:56 PM
Subject: Latino museum commission update . . . HELP NEEDED .

Hi . . . just received this email from Congressman Xavier Becerra's
office, concerning the Latino Museum commission update. Joel writes
that our last remaining opportunity to have this legislation become law
this year requires the Senate to pass the House bill.

I called and spoke to Joel Najar to see how we could help. He said we
need to contact the following Senators and ask them please to move
forward on the companion Senate Bill 2475 right away. It is a
bi-partisan effort.

Since they say that letters are much for valued then telephone calls,
I've included the fax numbers, as well as the telephones.

Senators: Ken Salazar, 202-224-5852 fax 202-228-5036
Mel Martinez, 202-224-3041 fax 202-228-5171
Orrin Hatch, 202-224-5251 fax 202-224-6331
Pete V. Domenici, 202-224-6621 fax 202-228-3261

Will you please help, and pass on the request.

Warm regards, Mimi

In a message dated 9/25/2006 2:20:23 PM Pacific Standard Time,
joel.najar@mail.house.gov writes:

> Subj: Latino museum commission update
> Date: 9/25/2006 2:20:23 PM Pacific Standard Time
> From: joel.najar@mail.house.gov
> To: joel.najar@mail.house.gov
> Sent from the Internet
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
> H.R. 2134, the legislation that will create a commission to plan for a
> national museum dedicated to Latino heritage, will be scheduled for a
> vote later this week in the House of Representatives. We expect that
> it will be passed by voice vote without any problems, but you never
> know. This is the last week of legislative business before Congress
> takes a recess until after the elections in November; so, this is the
> last opportunity we have to pass this bill.
>
> The Senate version of the bill, S. 2475, has not moved. Although
> Senator Domenici, who is chairman of the committee with jurisdiction
> over the bill, attempted to schedule action on the bill introduced by
> Senator Salazar and Senator Martinez, I've been told that it was
> blocked by the staff of Sen. Craig Thomas (R-WY) on the National Parks
> Subcommittee of the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee.
>
> The Senate will also adjourn at the end of this week until after the
> elections. It is not likely that the Senate will act on the Senate
> version of the bill.
>
> Thus, our last remaining opportunity to have this legislation become
> law this year requires the Senate to pass the House bill. The
> procedure requires a Senator to hold the House bill at the Senate
> clerk's desk, preventing it from being referred to a Senate
> committee. The House bill can then be offered up as passed by the
> Senate by "Unanimous Consent."
>
> Sen. Salazar would need his fellow cosponsors Sen. Martinez, Sen.
> Domenici and Sen. Hatch to help with this procedure. It's a very busy
> week in Congress, so this bill could be lost in the din of other
> business. It would be a lost opportunity should the Senate fail to
> act after the House does.
>
> For more information, please contact me or consult
> http://becerra.house.gov/
>
> Thanks for your interest.
>
> Joel
>
> Joel Najar | Deputy Legislative Director / Tax Counsel | U.S. Rep.
> Xavier Becerra | 202-226-3748 | joel.najar@mail.house.gov
>
>
>
>

Many many thanks go out to two very generous individuals in the group
for volunteering to help me with a couple of important projects:

Kitty Cortez will assume the new member email notification on a 15
day/30 schedule

and

Jose Humberto Suarez Villarreal will be helping me evaluate which
members have or have not submitted their genealogies

Thank you Kitty

Thank you Jose Humberto

Hello all
I have located a great geagraphical resource that has allowed me to locate the brithplaces of both grandparents in Aguascalientes. They were both small places, and I never thought I could find them until I located this resource. Just click on the link and go to the site. THere you can search by country, and once in the country listing you can search by place name. I clicked on Ojo de Agua de Rosales and it located it for me on a satellite map and listed the GPS locations and elevations, etc. I also clicked on La Hacienda in Aguascalientes and got similar results. It's a great resource. The link is http://www.indexmundi.com/.
John Robles

hi,

first my apologies for posting this to the "research" list but I did it
since that is the group with the highest number of subscribed members.

I'm overwhelmed. I thought that moving from Yahoo to the new site would
be better and so far it is vastly better and the site is a beautiful
creation of Arturo Ramos the webmaster. Thanks Arturo!

. . .but it one way, a critical way, it is way to much better. I thought
that the amount of work would stay about the same or even less with the
new sites functionality and added features. Some how the new site is
attracting new members to the group in a way that is very much superior
to the yahoo group and that is making my job one that can't continue the
way it is going. I've got a lot of other things going on
(http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com and http://H2Opodcast.com) and adding
new projects as well and the work for the Nuestros Ranchos site needs to
be trimmed for me to continue as the originating Moderator of the group.

For those reasons I'm thinking to make group membership available only
to persons that:

1) have their representative genealogies in hand and will send them in
as part of being accepted into the group.

or

2) if they are a brand new researcher and have nothing to submit. A
brief written report stating the oral history or other reasons why they
believe they are tied to the states of Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or
Aguascalientes.

or

3) They request a special exemption that will need to considered on a
case by case basis.

What do you as the membership think about this?

joseph

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pardon esta traducción terrible pero aquí es los pescados de Babel
(http://babelfish.altavista.com/):

hola,

primero mis apologías por fijar esto la lista pero a mí de la
"investigación" la hicieron desde entonces que es el grupo con el número
más alto de miembros suscritos.

Me abruman. Pensé que la mudanza desde Yahoo al sitio nuevo estaría
mejor y es hasta ahora sumamente mejor y el sitio es una creación
hermosa de Arturo Ramos el webmaster. ¡Gracias Arturo!

. . but una forma, una manera crítica, él es manera a mucho mejor.
Pensé que la cantidad de trabajo permanecería casi igual o aún menos con
la nueva funcionalidad de los sitios y las características agregadas.
Vaya algo cómo el sitio nuevo está atrayendo a nuevos miembros al grupo
de una manera que sea mucho superior al grupo del yahoo y que está
haciendo mi trabajo uno que no pueda continuar la manera él. Tengo
muchos de otras cosas que van encendido (http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com
y http://H2Opodcast.com) y la adición de los nuevos proyectos también y
del trabajo para el sitio de los ranchos de Nuestros necesita ser
ajustada para que continúe como el asesor el originar del grupo. Por
esas razones estoy pensando para poner calidad de miembro de grupo a
disposición solamente las personas eso:

1) tiene sus genealogías representativas a disposición y las enviará
adentro como parte de ser aceptado en el grupo.

o

2) si son investigador nuevos y no tienen nada someter. Un breve informe
escrito que indica la historia oral u otras razones por las que los
creen se ata a los estados de Jalisco, de Zacatecas, y/o de Aguascalientes.

o

3) solicitan una exención especial que necesite considerado caso por caso.

¿Qué usted como la calidad de miembro piensa de esto?

joseph

The http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com podcast project needs your help. The
planning committee is located at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/podhi/
Please join the group and volunteer to solicit the many people we know
that have studied and have gained a significant understanding in some
aspect of our history, the History of Latin America. The podcast is
about archiving Audio files from Conferences, Symposiums, Information
Sessions, Interviews, Lectures, Poetry Readings, in short any place that
our history is being "SPOKEN" is where we need to be to record and
archive that history. PLEASE HELP in this effort: NFU@JosephPuentes.com

There are several new audio presentations on the
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com podcast project. In the "Comida" area of
the podcast Dr. Paul Bosland a Regents Professor in horticulture at New
Mexico State University and Director of the Chile Pepper Institute gives
a fabulous presentation on Fabian Garcia - Pioneer Hispanic
Horticulturist 1871-1948, known as the father of the Mexican Food
Industry in the United States. In the "Música" area of the podcast Dr.
Mark Pedelty provides a historical overview of musical ritual in Mexico
City, starting with Mesoamerican music in relation to ceremonies of
state, ending with the quintessential Mexican music: Mariachi. In the
"Coyote" area of the podcast listen to Dr. Marco Polo Hernández Cuevas
and others in their presentation of "Noches de Candela" or poetic vigils
related to San Juan de Ulúa, Veracruz which was the door of entry for
hundreds of thousands of enslaved Africans during the Spanish colonial
period.

John,

You say "there are no films from the years I am looking for" but that you were going to get them from the LDS Library. I am curious---where have you been viewing films? I thought only the LDS Family History Center libraries and some libraries in El Paso, TX had microfilms from Mexico.

Emilie

To John G. and John R.,

Thanks, guys, for the information on the various map sites. I found the Maps of Mexico link on the Nuestros Ranchos site works best for me. So does the MSN Maps (the old one with just maps, not the new one with the satellite photos).

The satellite photo image maps don't work for me, one, because I have an extremely slow dial-up connection, and two, the satellite maps only show the topography---there are no border lines or name labels for towns and highways, so I can't relate to where a place is unless I can see where the larger municipalities and major highways are. It must be nice to zoom in and see buildings, but the e-local Municipios de Mexico website has photos of the major buildings in each city, plus history, coordinates, etc.

John (Gonzales)---it was great you could see your grandfather's house near Jalos, but it must be because you are so familiar with the topography from having been there. I wouldn't have a clue as to what I was looking at.

Thanks again,

Emilie

I’m searching my father’s line to Zacatecas, the name of my great grandmother was Ines de la Rosa Sandoval, all I know is that she was born in Fresnillo, Zacatecas around 1887-1889 (on the birth record of my grandfather said she was 36 by the time he was born -1925-)
Her parents were Jose de la Rosa and Narcisa Sandoval, or so it said the birth record of my grandfather.

I've searched the IGI and all I found was a marriage record of Juan de la Rosa + Narcisa Acosta, that it could be them since there are always mistakes like that. [28/10/1872 at Fresnillo de Gonzalez Echeverria, Zacatecas M600825 0439842 Dates 1866-1885]

Do you have any ideas on how should I proceed with my searching? I'm not in Mexico wich make things difficult, therefore any idea will be welcomed!

Thank you in advance!

Monica

PD I have a Gedcom file of my searching, but so far its more orientated to the north of Mexico, anyways I'll like to share it, how do i do it?