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Some History on Huanusco and La Luz before the "Rulebook"

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At the request of some members I decided to give a brief to the point explanation on how families in Huanusco marry. But I decieded to split this topic on two. Well basically we (our hacienda) started with 12 families. They had the opportunity to live anywhere on the 30,000 acre plot of land, which made up La Luz. At the height of La Luz around 1913 it would prob be 30,000 or so. After all those marriages, purchases and tradings...and compromises. Because it reached into Calvillo and Tabasco and Jalpa. Jesus Maria was a small hacienda. San PEdro was the same size or so as La Luz. Luckily San PEdro was owned by Cousins the Duran, also Jesus Maria the Rodriguez family and La Luz by the Camino Family. All were related. So I think thats why my grandpa says our family got away from all sorts of things. Like a tío would be the Sherrif or the cousin the Bishop or another cousin the banker and so on. Anyway the families were. There were others. but these were the big hanchos of MAriano Camino

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New Family Search Website Update

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Im not supposed to be doing this but since I have made so many wonderful people here on ranchos, I couldnt keep this to myself. The new website isn't officially launched but is now functioning as Beta 2 or 3 is now starting. It's quite LONG! The new website can only be accessed my church members for now but to see if we can play around with it before it goes public.

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New Family Search Website Update

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It should be www.newfamilysearch.org to see the Home Page. Marge:)

On Jan 8, 2008, at 11:37 PM, mormonboy74 wrote:

>
> Im not supposed to be doing this but since I have made so many
> wonderful people here on ranchos, I couldnt keep this to myself. The
> new website isn't officially launched but is now functioning as Beta 2
> or 3 is now starting. It's quite LONG! The new website can only be
> accessed my church members for now but to see if we can play around
> with it before it goes public.
>
> Here's the website if anyone wants to see at least the Home Page:
> www.new.familysearch.org
>
> In the future we will all have to register. The project is at a goal
> by 2012 all the microfilm will be scanned and the official webpage
> will go Live. BUT if you like you can sign up to help with the new
> microfilm, the email address is at the bottom. Im going to register
> soon. This is different from the first registration if anyof you
> participated in the first website at FamilySearch Labs.
>
> Heres an update:
>
> New FamilySearch
> The LDS Church is currently developing a web application for church
> membership (and, eventually, everyone) to be able to interact with a
> very large, unified database full of connected genealogical
> information. When fully released, it will replace the current
> FamilySearch.org.
> Most of the development work on the new system takes place in offices
> in the Joseph Smith Memorial Building on Temple Square, Salt Lake
> City, Utah.
> Some prominent features of the new website are:
> Support for multiple assertions on facts, allowing people to "agree to
> disagree".
> Very comprehensive source citations, including links to source images.
> This promised linking service may not be available in earlier
> versions. Documents scanned from the Church's 2.4 million rolls of
> microfilmed vital records, from around the world, will eventually be
> linked to individuals in the system. These films are currently being
> scanned and indexed, for more details see the Church's
> FamilySearchIndexing web site.
> Several features will be specific to the membership of the LDS Church,
> facilitating temple ordinance work.
> This new system will be a one world pedigree of linked families. Users
> will not be able to change others entries but may post their
> disagreements next to other's versions. Users will be able to edit
> their own prior entries.
> The Beta2 test version has a mapping utility which maps locations
> where an individual has resided. By clicking on the link a pop up
> displays the events that took place at that location, i.e.: birth,
> marriage, death, etc.
> The new system will be released in phases starting with smaller temple
> districts for members of the Church only. After temple districts in
> all areas of the world are online, it will be opened to everyone.
> Digitization and indexing projects
> The Family History Library (FHL) is in the process of digitizing its
> entire microfilm collection. ScanStone, which was developed by the LDS
> Church, is a system (both hardware and software) to rapidly create
> digital images of genealogical records contained on microfilm. When
> fully implemented, the FHL will be able to convert 370,000 rolls of
> microfilm per year into digital images. It is estimated that the
> digitizing project will be completed about 2012.
> An online index to the digitized records is also being created using
> FamilySearch Indexing software developed by the LDS Church. The church
> hopes to recruit tens of thousands of volunteers to complete the
> indexing project. Volunteers can participate by going to the Church's
> FamilySearchIndexing web site. The databases containing the digital
> images and indexes will be added to the FamilySearch website as they
> become available.
> By now most of the genealogical community has heard about the new
> FamilySearch™ system the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
> is developing, but fewer have heard of the Help Center. The Help
> Center is a web–based program designed to provide a self-service
> support environment for the new FamilySearch.
>
> Among the exciting additions of the Help Center are the Research
> Advice Forums. These online communities will provide users a chance to
> ask their research questions and allow other users with research
> experience to share their knowledge. The forums will be available in
> eight languages, and will eventually cover every country of the world.
>
> Research Advice Forums
>
> FamilySearch Support (part of the Family and Church History
> Department) has been given the task to provide family history research
> support worldwide. Since volunteers in family history centers and
> genealogical societies collectively possess so much research
> knowledge, FamilySearch Support has created an online environment
> where these people can share their knowledge with those looking for
> help with their family history.
>
> The Research Advice Forums are different than any other genealogical
> forum online. How many times have you asked a question in an online
> forum and never received an answer? Research Advice Forums will be
> different. FamilySearch Support will actively manage its forums and
> notify the forum moderator of any questions that have gone unanswered
> for a given amount of time. The forum moderator will then ask a
> research specialist to answer the user’s question.
>
> The forums also have a dynamic search feature. Every time a question
> is asked and answered it is automatically added to the Help Center’s
> knowledge base of answers. The knowledge base contains forum posts,
> websites, authored articles, and Family History Library publications.
> As questions are asked and answered, websites added, and new articles
> written, the Help Center’s knowledge base will continue to grow.
>
> Testing the New System
>
> The new FamilySearch beta 2 test is coming soon. For beta 2,
> FamilySearch Support is looking for individuals with research
> experience to help test the forums. We will be asking beta testers to
> do a series of tasks in the forums designed to test the system’s
> features to make sure they are ready for public use. Testers will be
> asked to spend about 1-2 hours per week or more if they choose. Anyone
> participating in the Research Advice Forums testing will also have
> full access to the new FamilySearch. If you are interested in helping
> us test our forums and being a part of the new FamilySearch email us
> at:
> fch-researchsupport@ldschurch.org (please include “Renee Zamora blog”
> the subject line of your email).
>
> ~Daniel Mendez del Camino~

New Family Search Website Update

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Will this new website feature free access or will it linked up completely with ancestry.com, and other fee based websites...?
Pat Silva Corbera

-------------- Original message --------------
From: M.Vallazza

> It should be www.newfamilysearch.org to see the Home Page. Marge:)
>
> On Jan 8, 2008, at 11:37 PM, mormonboy74 wrote:
>
> >
> > Im not supposed to be doing this but since I have made so many
> > wonderful people here on ranchos, I couldnt keep this to myself. The
> > new website isn't officially launched but is now functioning as Beta 2
> > or 3 is now starting. It's quite LONG! The new website can only be
> > accessed my church members for now but to see if we can play around
> > with it before it goes public.
> >
> > Here's the website if anyone wants to see at least the Home Page:
> > www.new.familysearch.org
> >
> > In the future we will all have to register. The project is at a goal
> > by 2012 all the microfilm will be scanned and the official webpage
> > will go Live. BUT if you like you can sign up to help with the new
> > microfilm, the email address is at the bottom. Im going to register
> > soon. This is different from the first registration if anyof you
> > participated in the first website at FamilySearch Labs.
> >
> > Heres an update:
> >
> > New FamilySearch
> > The LDS Church is currently developing a web application for church
> > membership (and, eventually, everyone) to be able to interact with a
> > very large, unified database full of connected genealogical
> > information. When fully released, it will replace the current
> > FamilySearch.org.
> > Most of the development work on the new system takes place in offices
> > in the Joseph Smith Memorial Building on Temple Square, Salt Lake
> > City, Utah.
> > Some prominent features of the new website are:
> > Support for multiple assertions on facts, allowing people to "agree to
> > disagree".
> > Very comprehensive source citations, including links to source images.
> > This promised linking service may not be available in earlier
> > versions. Documents scanned from the Church's 2.4 million rolls of
> > microfilmed vital records, from around the world, will eventually be
> > linked to individuals in the system. These films are currently being
> > scanned and indexed, for more details see the Church's
> > FamilySearchIndexing web site.
> > Several features will be specific to the membership of the LDS Church,
> > facilitating temple ordinance work.
> > This new system will be a one world pedigree of linked families. Users
> > will not be able to change others entries but may post their
> > disagreements next to other's versions. Users will be able to edit
> > their own prior entries.
> > The Beta2 test version has a mapping utility which maps locations
> > where an individual has resided. By clicking on the link a pop up
> > displays the events that took place at that location, i.e.: birth,
> > marriage, death, etc.
> > The new system will be released in phases starting with smaller temple
> > districts for members of the Church only. After temple districts in
> > all areas of the world are online, it will be opened to everyone.
> > Digitization and indexing projects
> > The Family History Library (FHL) is in the process of digitizing its
> > entire microfilm collection. ScanStone, which was developed by the LDS
> > Church, is a system (both hardware and software) to rapidly create
> > digital images of genealogical records contained on microfilm. When
> > fully implemented, the FHL will be able to convert 370,000 rolls of
> > microfilm per year into digital images. It is estimated that the
> > digitizing project will be completed about 2012.
> > An online index to the digitized records is also being created using
> > FamilySearch Indexing software developed by the LDS Church. The church
> > hopes to recruit tens of thousands of volunteers to complete the
> > indexing project. Volunteers can participate by going to the Church's
> > FamilySearchIndexing web site. The databases containing the digital
> > images and indexes will be added to the FamilySearch website as they
> > become available.
> > By now most of the genealogical community has heard about the new
> > FamilySearch

New Family Search Website Update

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What Im told is it is totally seperated from Ancestry.com. This project that should be completed by 2012 will replace the microfilm at the Family History Centers. Youll be able to view all microfilm online. It will be free. For now the church is just testing beta 2. Hope this helps. -Dániel Méndez del Camino
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Thank you Daniel.
Pat Silva Corbea

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Daniel Mendez

>
> What Im told is it is totally seperated from Ancestry.com. This project that
> should be completed by 2012 will replace the microfilm at the Family History
> Centers. Youll be able to view all microfilm online. It will be free. For now
> the church is just testing beta 2. Hope this helps. -D

New Family Search Website Update

Comment

Ancestry.com is not associated in any way with Familysearch.com. Ancestry.com used to allow the Family History centers to access them for free but that ended last year here in Washington, you can access Ancestry.com for free at your local library. I am not Mormon but really appreciate the free use of their films and readers. I know we pay a minimal fee for the film but they don't have to share it with non-Mormons at all! It's a service that's been invaluable to me especially after going to Mexico and not being able to get the records I can get at the history center here at home.

Too be able to see all the films online within 10 years will be wonderful since many people don't live near a center or their center has limited hours.

Linda in Everett

PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net wrote:
Will this new website feature free access or will it linked up completely with ancestry.com, and other fee based websites...?
Pat Silva Corbera

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It's the same here in New Mexico, what I found with Ancestry.com that they have little in Mexico and Spain,
when I spoke to them recently they had no intention to include them in the near + or- 2 year future.
They like most corporate enterprises is concentraring on China. I use it periodaclly to try and get leads, and
I don't know about the rest of you but I find there are many errors for my buck. Mari

----- Original Message ----
From: Erlinda Castanon-Long
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2008 4:57:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] New Family Search Website Update

Too be able to see all the films online within 10 years will be wonderful since many people don't live near a center or their center has limited hours.

Linda in Everett

PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net wrote:
Will this new website feature free access or will it linked up completely with ancestry.com, and other fee based websites...?
Pat Silva Corbera

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What prompted my question, was the amount of times that the newfamilysearch.org linked/referenced ancestry.com, as well as other fee based websites. It's not the film rental fee that I have concerns about, but the very limited hours that our Family History Center is opened.
Pat Silva Corbera
Tracy CA

New Family Search Website Update

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Thanks to thisproject by the latest of 2012, as of also what I have heard they'' be releasing the website as different parts at a time not an official launch date for everything so for us Mormons our temple ordinances can be prepared at the new website by next week. But You'll be able to view all 200 milion microfilms in your home 24/7. Which gets me excited because now I dont have to wait two weeks for each film to arrive. -Dáaniel Méndez del Camino
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That's a big step forward!

Jose Carlos de Leon

New Family Search Website

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It is more like a giant leap. I too, am so excited about this. 27/7. Some of us are going to be getting a lot less sleep! I sometimes wait 6 weeks to see my films, and then I have to fight for time on the film reader! Even more, when my husband was ill and we were homebound, it put my research to an immediate stop. Being able to access at home is a dream come true! I have about 11 films I need to order. I was thinking about just making a trip all the way to Utah, but now I think I will order one or two every few months and await the new website. Cause you know when I order those films, it will just add to more that I want to order. Trying to pick which one to order each month is agonizing.

Maureen Bejar

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I am very excited! I live in Ottawa, Canada so sometimes I wait 3 months to recieve a film. I CAN'T WAIT!!!

Sofia
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Erlinda,

There is a Banuelos family who claims to be my cousins and cousins your Banuelos branch. They don't know HOW they are cousins because I can't find any records of them anywhere. Their descendants don't know either...they barely remembered their grandfather's name. My older brothers also told me that they are our cousins but also don't know anything. I was wondering if you could help me find out? I didn't include any living descendants. They live in my hometown where most of the Banuelos family lives. I remember visiting them when I was a child. My mother said that she was my "Tia" Nicolasa Banuelos born on 23 Jul 1915 in Huehucar. Her mother's name was Mercedes Flores born on 24 Sep 1888 married to a Lazaro Banuelos. I alsp thought that because Mercedes was a "Flores" that perhaps she was from my paternal grandmother Petra Flores Sandoval's side. Mercedes' father was Santos Flores.
I ran a check and located a Mercedes Flores born on 09/24/1888 to a Santos Flores in Bolivia. Does that kinda throw a monkey-wrench in the Family Tree?

IGI Individual Record FamilySearch International Genealogical Index v5.0
South America
Search Results | Download
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Mercedes Flores Pedigree
Female

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Event(s):
Birth: 24 SEP 1888 Inmaculada Concepcion, Uyuni, Potosi, Bolivia

Christening: 06 OCT 1888 San Francisco,Coroma, , Potosi, Bolivia

Death:
Burial:

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Parents:
Father: Santos Flores Family
Mother: Juana Ramos

Here's what their Living Descendants know about their tree (I'm not showing any living descendants)
Descendants of Lazaro Banuelos

1 Lazaro Banuelos 1888 -
.. +Mercedes Flores 1888 - 1973
........ 2 Manuel Banuelos 1909 - 1970
........ 2 Nicolasa Banuelos 1915 - 1982
............ +Jose Hernandez
........ *2nd Husband of Nicolasa Banuelos:
............ +Lucas Holguin Padilla 1911 - 1987
........ 2 Ysabel Banuelos 1911 - 1942
............ +// Aguila
Descendants of Santos Flores

1 Santos Flores 1865 -
.. +Jesucita //
........ 2 Mercedes Flores 1888 - 1973
............ +Lazaro Banuelos 1888 -
................... 3 Manuel Banuelos 1909 - 1970
................... 3 Nicolasa Banuelos 1915 - 1982
....................... +Jose Hernandez
................... *2nd Husband of Nicolasa Banuelos:
....................... +Lucas Holguin Padilla 1911 - 1987
................... 3 Ysabel Banuelos 1911 - 1942
....................... +// Aguila

Since you're an expert on the BANUELOS and FLORES Trees, can you help me with this mystery? Your aunt Virgie once told me that she knew of them but didn't know how or if they were related.

Jose Carlos de Leon

My Introduction -- Joseph de Leon

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My name is Joseph de Leon. My ancestral roots come from both HUEJUCAR & ,COLOTLAN, JALISCO and JEREZ, ZACATECAS. Some of the surnames of my ancestors are: DE LEON, CARLOS, BANUELOS, FLORES, COVARRUBIAS, VILLANEDA, and many others.

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Leon Covarrubias from Huejucar

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Jose:

Welcome to the group.

If you had not yet looked through familysearch.org, there is some useful information in the database there that may help with your search for your grandfather. While there does not appear to be a Francisco Leon Covarrubias in the database in Huejucar, there are a couple of other children being born in the late 1860s and 1870s to Nicolas Leon and Maria del Refugio Covarrubias, who appear to be your grandfather's siblings. Their baptism records should list the names of your great-great-grandparents.

MARIA EUGENIA LEON COVARRUBIAS - IGI
Gender: Female Christening: 30 NOV 1868 Huejucar, Jalisco, Mexico

PASCUAL LEON COBARRUVIAS - IGI
Gender: Male Christening: 03 JAN 1872 Huejucar, Jalisco, Mexico

The Family History Library has Huejucar civil registries on film beginning in 1873 so your grandfather is likely there if he was born in Huejucar.

Likewise, if you order Film 0445147, you will be able to see the actual marriage record of Nicolas and Refugio and see the names of their parents, their age at marriage and their places of birth. Nicolas does not appear to have been born in Huejucar.

There are a number of Nicolas Leon Martinez born around the right time in San Luis Potosi and Chihuahua, but his marriage record is the best bet as it will allow you to confirm the names of his parents and his birthplace.

JE. CONCEPCION NICOLAS LEON MARTINES - IGI
Gender: Male Christening: 08 DEC 1844 San Jose Or San Joseph, Alaquines, San Luis Potosi, Mexico

JOSE NICOLAS MELQUIADIS LEON MARTINES - IGI
Gender: Female Christening: 10 DEC 1844 San Jose, Hidalgo Del Parral, Chihuahua, Mexico

Leon Covarrubias from Huejucar

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Thank you for your response and info! I've looked at the microfilm on Christenings 1868-1876 ? and found 3 of my GF Francisco's siblings--- Ma. Eugenia 30 NOV 1869, Pascual 03 JAN 1872, and Espiridion 18 DEC 1874, and all three list Nicolas' parents as Felix de Leon and Simona Martines. Rosalinda Ruiz found their marriage records - 15 Oct 1844 at San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico. I was able to find christening records for 3 of Nicholas' siblings - Ma. Tomasa 25 SEP 1845, Hipolito 19 AUG 1848 both in Colotlan and Maria 10 JUN 1860 inHuejucar. With Rosalinda Ruiz's help I found their elder ancestors. BUT nothing yet on my GGF Nicholas or his son my GF Francisco. I suspect that GF Francisco was about the same age as his wife Petra Flores b. 21 Feb 1884 in Huejucar also.
I will order the marriage records for my GGF Nicolas de Leon and Ma. del Refugio Covarrubias who married on 08 Jun 1866 in Huejucar for further study.

The mystery still remains of when and where my GGF Nicolas and of his son my GF Francisco were born.

Starting with Nicolas' father Felix, Rosalinda Ruiz helped me find most of the ancesters in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico. Below is the updated DE LEON family tree.

Descendants of Jose de León

1 Jose de León 1775 -
.. +Guadalupe de Leon 1775 -
........ 2 Jose Maria de León 1799 -
............ +Ma. Antonia Villalobos 1799 -
................... 3 Felix de Leon 1820 -
....................... +Simona Martines 1820 -
............................. 4 Ma. Tomasa de Leon 1845 -
............................. 4 Nicolas de Leon 1846 - 1899
................................. +Ma. del Refugio Covarrubias 1845 - 1899
........................................ 5 Ma. Eugenia de Leon 1869 -
........................................ 5 Pascual de Leon 1872 -
........................................ 5 Espiridion de Leon 1874 -
........................................ 5 Francisco de Leon 1880 - 1910
............................................ +Petra Flores 1884 - 1977
.................................................. 6 Elias de Leon 1904 - 1999
...................................................... +Maria (del Transito) Carlos 1909 - 1992
.................................................. 6 Liborio de Leon 1906 - 1995
...................................................... +Maria Luisa Loya
.................................................. *2nd Wife of Liborio de Leon:
...................................................... +Maria Vaca
.................................................. *3rd Wife of Liborio de Leon:
...................................................... +Emma Emilia Hernandez 1909 - 1980
.................................................. 6 Aurora de Leon 1905 - 1905
............................. 4 Hipolito de Leon 1848 -
............................. 4 Maria de Leon 1860 -
................... 3 Ma. Dominga Del Refugio de Leon 1822 -
................... 3 Bernardo de Leon 1827 -

Jose Carlos de Leon

Submitted an update for Lino Oñate, my ancestor

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I had submit a doc in the files section of the group, in the "L" click in "Leon Leticia", is an update for Lino Oñate my gggrandpa on my fathers maternal side.

An update for Lino Oñate

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I submitted new findings for my Oñate Line, a small step.

Batch numbers

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I have printed out the batch numbers given on the website for Aguascalientes, but the year I need is not on the list. Under birth, I need 1882. Can anyone tell me where I can find birth records for that year? I am looking for Cruz Bustamante B.

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Batch numbers

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Dear Lupe Kerr

Try this batch:

Señor del Encino, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes
C001664 0299917 1887-1903

Mensaje citado por Lupe Kerr :

>
> I have printed out the batch numbers given on the website for Aguascalientes,
> but the year I need is not on the list. Under birth, I need 1882. Can
> anyone tell me where I can find birth records for that year? I am looking
> for Cruz Bustamante B. 1882. I can't seem to find his parents. I have found
> another Cruz Bustamante born in 1878 which could be his father, but I'm not
> sure. Any help will be appreciated.

Batch numbers

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Thank you for your reply.

Quoting rcardena@iteso.mx:

> Dear Lupe Kerr
>
> Try this batch:
>
>
> Señor del Encino, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes
> C001664 0299917 1887-1903
>
>
>
>
> Mensaje citado por Lupe Kerr :
>
>>
>> I have printed out the batch numbers given on the website for
>> Aguascalientes,
>> but the year I need is not on the list. Under birth, I need 1882. Can
>> anyone tell me where I can find birth records for that year? I am looking
>> for Cruz Bustamante B. 1882. I can't seem to find his parents. I
>> have found
>> another Cruz Bustamante born in 1878 which could be his father, but I'm not
>> sure. Any help will be appreciated.

missing batch numbers

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sometimes there are missings years for records so trying another source, like a civil birth registration instead of a baptism could help. I've found when I can't find a marriage record sometimes a marriage information record gives me information I need. Sometimes I just have to accept that I'm not going to find an exact date because there are no records surviving for those years.

just a suggestion,
Linda in Everett

>>
>> I have printed out the batch numbers given on the website for
>> Aguascalientes,
>> but the year I need is not on the list. Under birth, I need 1882. Can
>> anyone tell me where I can find birth records for that year? I am looking
>> for Cruz Bustamante B. 1882. I can't seem to find his parents. I
>> have found
>> another Cruz Bustamante born in 1878 which could be his father, but I'm not
>> sure. Any help will be appreciated.

missing batch numbers

Comment

Hi Linda,

This might be a dumb question but since I'm new to this and I can't find certain people. Is there a way to see or get a hold of these civil registrations on line?

missing batch numbers

Comment

Hi Sofia,

they are available just like the other records at your family history center. You order them the same way as the baptism and church marriages. I'm not sure what state or city you're searching in but the list of what they offer would be in your Familysearch.com site. For some reason the Familysearch.com online shows only church records but the others are available to order to be read at the center. Sometimes they even give more information than church records such as ages of parents at birth registrations where baptism records don't usually give ages. Accept age's with a grain of salt since they can be off by many years especially when they are guessed at by other people giving the information. I have one record where my ancestor is listed as age 50 at his second marriage when he was actually over 70! He must have been spry since he had 2 children with his 38 year old wife!

good luck in your search, Linda in Everett

sophia wrote:

Hi Linda,

This might be a dumb question but since I'm new to this and I can't find certain people. Is there a way to see or get a hold of these civil registrations on line?

missing batch numbers

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This too may sound dumb too but are the civil registration records the same
as the vital records index?

Ann Rubio Valdez
Sugar Land, Texas

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From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Erlinda
Castanon-Long
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 11:20 AM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] missing batch numbers

Hi Sofia,

they are available just like the other records at your family history
center. You order them the same way as the baptism and church marriages.
I'm not sure what state or city you're searching in but the list of what
they offer would be in your Familysearch.com site. For some reason the
Familysearch.com online shows only church records but the others are
available to order to be read at the center. Sometimes they even give more
information than church records such as ages of parents at birth
registrations where baptism records don't usually give ages. Accept age's
with a grain of salt since they can be off by many years especially when
they are guessed at by other people giving the information. I have one
record where my ancestor is listed as age 50 at his second marriage when he
was actually over 70! He must have been spry since he had 2 children with
his 38 year old wife!

good luck in your search, Linda in Everett

sophia wrote:

Hi Linda,

This might be a dumb question but since I'm new to this and I can't find
certain people. Is there a way to see or get a hold of these civil
registrations on line?

missing batch numbers

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from what I've found the Vital Records Index are baptisms... I think... I still have no idea why they are separate from just regular baptisms but they usually include more information. They are different from region to region too. In Jerez Zacatecas I've found very few marriage or death records online unless they've been entered by an individual and not through the history center. In Zapotlan El Grande and Tamazula Jalisco I find marriage records complete with parents included and sometimes even where they are from. Good question!

Linda in Everett

Ann Valdez wrote:
This too may sound dumb too but are the civil registration records the same
as the vital records index?

Ann Rubio Valdez
Sugar Land, Texas

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Batch Numbers for Aguascalientes (and others)

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Lupe Kerr,

Most of the LDS (Church of Jesus Christ of Later Day Saints) Family History Library films are NOT indexed into Batch Numbers; but information can be researched by reading the respective microfilms from the Library

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Thank you for the information. I'll give it a try

Quoting conrique :

>
> Lupe Kerr,
>
> Most of the LDS (Church of Jesus Christ of Later Day Saints) Family
> History Library films are NOT indexed into Batch Numbers; but
> information can be researched by reading the respective microfilms
> from the Library
>
> In your case, the referenced film #299917 (Batch C001664) relates to
> 1887-1903 Baptisms of Hijos Naturales registered in the Senor del
> Encino Parish of Aguascalientes, --- and you indicate the need for
> information about an Aguascalientes birth (Cruz Bustamante) presumed
> to have occurred in 1882.
>
> Therefore, I suggest you consult directly the following films of the
> Records from this Parish ....
>
> Film #299916 --- 1854 to 1887 Baptisms of Hijos Naturales
> Fim #299888 --- 1881 to 1885 Baptismos de Hijos Legitimos
>
> Best of luck in your research.
>
> Efrain Conrique
> San Diego, California

Photo added to my album

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I just addes a beautiful image of a lady and child, she is great grandma to two of my nieces related to the surnames of Barba and Martín Del Campo from Los Altos De Jalisco

batch numbers correction

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I notice that 1878 could not be the father of Cruz Bustamante. It's too early I guess. Sorry, but I still need help

Partitioning your PAF File

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This may be in the user guide, but I can't access that right now because I
can't open Word. What setting do I put for "Char set"? What email address do
I send it to? Most of my entries don't have the relevant microfilm source

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Microfilms de Los Altos de Jalisco

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Hola a todos,
Quisiera saber si alguno de ustedes tiene, o si sabe como encontrar, los numeros de rollos relacionados con los siguientes pueblos de Los Altos: VALLE DE GUADALUPE, CANADAS DE OBREGON, CAPILLA DE GUADALUPE, PEGUEROS, SAN IGNACIO CERRO GORDO y MIRANDILLA.

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Hola Ricardo

Desgraciadmente no te puedo ayudar con los n

Microfilms de Los Altos de Jalisco

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Estimado Ricardo, la totalidad de los rollos microfilmados de los libros de los archivos parroquiales de México, se encuentran en el Archivo General de la Nación, son propiedad de la Iglesia de Jesucristo de los Santos de los Últimos Días en custodia del propio Archivo, yo accedí a dichos rollos en el año 2001 buscando algo de Tejupilco y Sultepec. Allí se encuentran los de todo el país. En aquel entonces no se encontraban en la red.

Hasta pronto.

Rodolfo Sinaí Gómez.> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> From: rickrod.com@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:20:12 -0800> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Microfilms de Los Altos de Jalisco> > > Hola a todos,> Quisiera saber si alguno de ustedes tiene, o si sabe como encontrar, los numeros de rollos relacionados con los siguientes pueblos de Los Altos: VALLE DE GUADALUPE, CANADAS DE OBREGON, CAPILLA DE GUADALUPE, PEGUEROS, SAN IGNACIO CERRO GORDO y MIRANDILLA.> Desafortunadamente, estos lugares no aparecen en la lista de rollos en este sitio y son pieza fundamental para las raíces de la region altena.> Agradezco su ayuda y estoy a sus ordenes para el que necesite informacion acerca de Valle de Guadalupe, que es donde estoy enfocando por el momento mis investigaciones.> Gracias y hasta pronto.> > El primo,> Ricardo Rodriguez Camarena> Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Microfilms de los Altos de Jalisco

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Gracias a todos por esta informacion. Ahora si voy a tener mis manos llenas cuando vaya al centro familiar a cotejar estos rollos.
El enfoque de mi investigacion, por el momento, es Valle de Guadalupe y Canadas de Obregon, ya que antes de que comenzaran a registrar los bautismos, matrimonios y defunciones en Valle de Guadalupe, tenian que hacerlo ya sea en Tepatitlan, Jalostotitlan, Canadas de Obregon, y en muy pocos casos en San Miguel el Alto.
Apenas se tienen registros en la presidencia municipal desde 1887 y en la iglesia parroquial desde finales de 1904.

Saludos

Microfilms de los Altos de Jalisco

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Ricardo,

Le recomendo, que trata de buscar en el catalago de la Biblioteca de Historia familiar (www.familysearch.org). Encontre filminas para cada pueblos con la excepcion de Capilla de Guadalupe y Pegueros.

Jonathan

Microfilms de los Altos de Jalisco

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Gracias Jonathan,
Me pondre a buscar ahora mismo. Por cierto, conoces la region de Los Altos?
Tienes ancestros por acá?

-----Mensaje original-----
De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de mexicanfhr
Enviado el: Domingo 13 de Enero de 2008 10:50 PM
Para: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Microfilms de los Altos de Jalisco

Ricardo,

Le recomendo, que trata de buscar en el catalago de la Biblioteca de
Historia familiar (www.familysearch.org). Encontre filminas para cada
pueblos con la excepcion de Capilla de Guadalupe y Pegueros.

Jonathan

re: Microfilms de Los Altos de Jalisco

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Ricardo,

Mi esposa tiene familia, del sur de Jalisco, en Ciudad Guzman. El unico que conocozo de los Altos, es por las investigaciones, que he hecho por otros persons.

Jonathan

Mexica Batch Number Database

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I found a website that lists most batch numbers for Mexico by state then by municipio.

Here's the website:

http://mexicoigibatchnumbers.wetpaint.com/

-Hope this helps someone!

-Daniel Me

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Mexican Batch Number Database

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Dear Ranchos Members:

Just a note to Daniel's great find in the IGI database. The Mexico, Aguascalientes and Zacatecas batch numbers that are up on that site were compiled from our own site's database, which in turn was compiled by volunteers just like you. So give yourselves a pat on the back.

In the spirit of cooperation, I shared the batch number part of the database with Lynn Turner who spent the time and effort to put the site that Daniel mentioned together.

Mexica Batch Number Database

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Wow! Thanks!

Jose Carlos de Leon

Mexica Batch Number Database

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My Opinion is the same as Jose, WOW!!!!!!

Thank you Daniel!

San Sebastian del Oeste

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Hello Candis,

Last year I went on vacation to Puerto Vallarta and had an opportunity to
visit San Sebastian del Oeste. As you mentioned, San Sebastian is a former
mining town and about an hour's drive from Puerto Vallarta. Until two

Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco

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Hello to all! Saludos a todos! Hope every one had a great Christmas and also wishing you the best for the new year!

I'm stuck on my research for my Enriquez family in Jalostotitlan. The latest couple I have is Jose Maria Enriquez and Maria Nicolasa Gonzalez de Villasenor. They are my 6GGrandparents. They lived around the mid 1700's. I can't figure out anything before that. Their son, Jose Vicente Yrineo Enriquez Gonzalez (who was a twin by the way) was born around 1785 and married Maria Francisca Romo de Vivar. Vicente's daughter, Maria Gerarda Enriquez, eventually made her way to Amoxochitl (Juchipila area) and married my GGGrandfather Jose Maria Enriquez... yes, there were both Enriquez :-) -- so makes for an interesting line to have 2 last names join in different towns with who knows what backgroud.

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Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco

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The parents of Jose Maria are Joseph Vicente Enriquez and Juana Manuela Gonzales de Hermosillo married January 29, 1741 Jalos the parents of Maria are Joseph Gonzalez Delgadillo(Villasenor) and Juana Gertrudis Fernanadez de Rueda Married June 14, 1734 Jalos
----- Original Message -----
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To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 8:13 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco

Hello to all! Saludos a todos! Hope every one had a great Christmas and also wishing you the best for the new year!

Anyway, any help would be great. Does anyone have any info on the origins of the Enriquez in La Nueva Galicia?

Saludos!

Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco

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by the way I don't know if you have Maria Nicolasa bith Sept 24, 1747 Jalos they were married Nov 22, 1772 in Nochistlan Zacatecas
----- Original Message -----
From: Miggy GUTIERREZ
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 11:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan,Jalisco

The parents of Jose Maria are Joseph Vicente Enriquez and Juana Manuela Gonzales de Hermosillo married January 29, 1741 Jalos the parents of Maria are Joseph Gonzalez Delgadillo(Villasenor) and Juana Gertrudis Fernanadez de Rueda Married June 14, 1734 Jalos
----- Original Message -----
From: sandragomezmendoza>
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 8:13 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco

Hello to all! Saludos a todos! Hope every one had a great Christmas and also wishing you the best for the new year!

Anyway, any help would be great. Does anyone have any info on the origins of the Enriquez in La Nueva Galicia?

Saludos!

Informacion en los Orosco y Navarro de Arandas o Jalos

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-I need help with the ancestors of Antonia Orosco Married to Pedro Pasqual Tiscareno from Arandas married Feb 2, 1843. I have her parents Damasio Orosco and Trinidad navarro-- Does anyone have any information on them?? I have information on Pedro Pasqual Tiscareno's ancestors already---- Original Message -----
From: Miggy GUTIERREZ
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan,Jalisco

by the way I don't know if you have Maria Nicolasa bith Sept 24, 1747 Jalos they were married Nov 22, 1772 in Nochistlan Zacatecas
----- Original Message -----
From: Miggy GUTIERREZ>
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 11:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan,Jalisco

The parents of Jose Maria are Joseph Vicente Enriquez and Juana Manuela Gonzales de Hermosillo married January 29, 1741 Jalos the parents of Maria are Joseph Gonzalez Delgadillo(Villasenor) and Juana Gertrudis Fernanadez de Rueda Married June 14, 1734 Jalos
----- Original Message -----
From: sandragomezmendoza>>
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org>>
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 8:13 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco

Hello to all! Saludos a todos! Hope every one had a great Christmas and also wishing you the best for the new year!

Anyway, any help would be great. Does anyone have any info on the origins of the Enriquez in La Nueva Galicia?

Saludos!

Informacion en los Lozano y Alderete

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I need more information a the ancestors of Ignacia Lozano married to Jose Maria Tiscareno on May 2, 1823 San Miguel Jalisco, her parents are Josef Estanislao Lozano and Ygnacia Alderete about 1800 Jalisco
----- Original Message -----
From: Miggy GUTIERREZ
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Informacion en los Orosco y Navarro deArandas o Jalos

-I need help with the ancestors of Antonia Orosco Married to Pedro Pasqual Tiscareno from Arandas married Feb 2, 1843. I have her parents Damasio Orosco and Trinidad navarro-- Does anyone have any information on them?? I have information on Pedro Pasqual Tiscareno's ancestors already---- Original Message -----
From: Miggy GUTIERREZ>
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan,Jalisco

by the way I don't know if you have Maria Nicolasa bith Sept 24, 1747 Jalos they were married Nov 22, 1772 in Nochistlan Zacatecas
----- Original Message -----
From: Miggy GUTIERREZ>>
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org>>
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 11:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan,Jalisco

The parents of Jose Maria are Joseph Vicente Enriquez and Juana Manuela Gonzales de Hermosillo married January 29, 1741 Jalos the parents of Maria are Joseph Gonzalez Delgadillo(Villasenor) and Juana Gertrudis Fernanadez de Rueda Married June 14, 1734 Jalos
----- Original Message -----
From: sandragomezmendoza>>>
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org>>>
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 8:13 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco

Hello to all! Saludos a todos! Hope every one had a great Christmas and also wishing you the best for the new year!

Anyway, any help would be great. Does anyone have any info on the origins of the Enriquez in La Nueva Galicia?

Saludos!

Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco

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Thank you Miggy! May I ask how you got this info? Are they in your tree?

Saludos!

----- Original Message ----
From: Miggy GUTIERREZ
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 1, 2008 1:40:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco

Hello to all! Saludos a todos! Hope every one had a great Christmas and also wishing you the best for the new year!

Anyway, any help would be great. Does anyone have any info on the origins of the Enriquez in La Nueva Galicia?

Saludos!

Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco

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Sandra, I have a copy of Jose Maria's marriage certificate, Joseph-Vicente was born Aug 26, 1714 in La Media Anega, Jalos Jalisco, his father was Francisco Enriquez b-Nov 15, 1617 Nochistlan Married to Ana Alvarez Tostado m-Feb 26, 1702 in Nochistlan b- abt 1681 d- May 29, 1754 Francisco's parents Pedro Enriquez b-abt 1645 married Isabel Calderon(Delgadillo) b- abt 1650 source Retoños de Espana-- Ana's Parents Capitan Juan Alvarez Tostado b-June 6, 1644 Teocaltiche, Jal married to Isabel Ramirez de Mendoza b-abt 1660----- Original Message -----
From: Sandra Gomez Mendoza
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan,Jalisco

Thank you Miggy! May I ask how you got this info? Are they in your tree?

Saludos!

----- Original Message ----
From: Miggy GUTIERREZ >
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 1, 2008 1:40:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco

The parents of Jose Maria are Joseph Vicente Enriquez and Juana Manuela Gonzales de Hermosillo married January 29, 1741 Jalos the parents of Maria are Joseph Gonzalez Delgadillo(Villasenor) and Juana Gertrudis Fernanadez de Rueda Married June 14, 1734 Jalos
----- Original Message -----
From: sandragomezmendoza>
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 8:13 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco

Hello to all! Saludos a todos! Hope every one had a great Christmas and also wishing you the best for the new year!

Anyway, any help would be great. Does anyone have any info on the origins of the Enriquez in La Nueva Galicia?

Saludos!

Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco

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Hi Miggy,

It all makes sense except Francisco Enriquez being born in 1617 in Nochistlan (that would make him 100 at Joseph's birth).

Thanks again!!!!

----- Original Message ----
From: Miggy GUTIERREZ
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2008 5:03:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco

Thank you Miggy! May I ask how you got this info? Are they in your tree?

Saludos!

The parents of Jose Maria are Joseph Vicente Enriquez and Juana Manuela Gonzales de Hermosillo married January 29, 1741 Jalos the parents of Maria are Joseph Gonzalez Delgadillo(Villasenor) and Juana Gertrudis Fernanadez de Rueda Married June 14, 1734 Jalos
----- Original Message -----
From: sandragomezmendoza>
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 8:13 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco

Hello to all! Saludos a todos! Hope every one had a great Christmas and also wishing you the best for the new year!

Anyway, any help would be great. Does anyone have any info on the origins of the Enriquez in La Nueva Galicia?

Saludos!

Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco

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One more thing... I had Ana Alvarez Tostado on my tree but her mom was Gertrudis Diaz de Leon, not Isabel Ramirez de Mendoza... what are your thoughts??

Thanks!!

Thank you Miggy! May I ask how you got this info? Are they in your tree?

Saludos!

The parents of Jose Maria are Joseph Vicente Enriquez and Juana Manuela Gonzales de Hermosillo married January 29, 1741 Jalos the parents of Maria are Joseph Gonzalez Delgadillo(Villasenor) and Juana Gertrudis Fernanadez de Rueda Married June 14, 1734 Jalos
----- Original Message -----
From: sandragomezmendoza>
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 8:13 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco

Hello to all! Saludos a todos! Hope every one had a great Christmas and also wishing you the best for the new year!

Anyway, any help would be great. Does anyone have any info on the origins of the Enriquez in La Nueva Galicia?

Saludos!

Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco

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You are correct, I have that info too but there are 2 Ana Alvarez tostado and about 6 others with middle names
----- Original Message -----
From: Sandra Gomez Mendoza
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan,Jalisco

One more thing... I had Ana Alvarez Tostado on my tree but her mom was Gertrudis Diaz de Leon, not Isabel Ramirez de Mendoza... what are your thoughts??

Thanks!!

----- Original Message ----
From: Miggy GUTIERREZ >
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2008 5:03:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco

Sandra, I have a copy of Jose Maria's marriage certificate, Joseph-Vicente was born Aug 26, 1714 in La Media Anega, Jalos Jalisco, his father was Francisco Enriquez b-Nov 15, 1677 Nochistlan Married to Ana Alvarez Tostado m-Feb 26, 1702 in Nochistlan b- abt 1681 d- May 29, 1754 Francisco's parents Pedro Enriquez b-abt 1645 married Isabel Calderon(Delgadillo) b- abt 1650 source Retoños de Espana-- Ana's Parents Capitan Juan Alvarez Tostado b-June 6, 1644 Teocaltiche, Jal married to Isabel Ramirez de Mendoza b-abt 1660----- Original Message -----
From: Sandra Gomez Mendoza>
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan,Jalisco

Thank you Miggy! May I ask how you got this info? Are they in your tree?

Saludos!

----- Original Message ----
From: Miggy GUTIERREZ >>
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 1, 2008 1:40:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco

The parents of Jose Maria are Joseph Vicente Enriquez and Juana Manuela Gonzales de Hermosillo married January 29, 1741 Jalos the parents of Maria are Joseph Gonzalez Delgadillo(Villasenor) and Juana Gertrudis Fernanadez de Rueda Married June 14, 1734 Jalos
----- Original Message -----
From: sandragomezmendoza>>
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org>>
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 8:13 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco

Hello to all! Saludos a todos! Hope every one had a great Christmas and also wishing you the best for the new year!

Anyway, any help would be great. Does anyone have any info on the origins of the Enriquez in La Nueva Galicia?

Saludos!

Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco

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OK I figured it out. The 2 I have on my tree are aunt and niece. The niece is the one whose mom is Gertrudis Diaz de Leon.

You said you have Jose Maria's marriage certificate... do you have his DOB, etc?

Thanks!!

Sandra Gómez Mendoza :-)
San Antonio, TX

----- Original Message ----
From: Miggy GUTIERREZ
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2008 5:22:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco

One more thing... I had Ana Alvarez Tostado on my tree but her mom was Gertrudis Diaz de Leon, not Isabel Ramirez de Mendoza... what are your thoughts??

Thanks!!

Thank you Miggy! May I ask how you got this info? Are they in your tree?

Saludos!

The parents of Jose Maria are Joseph Vicente Enriquez and Juana Manuela Gonzales de Hermosillo married January 29, 1741 Jalos the parents of Maria are Joseph Gonzalez Delgadillo(Villasenor) and Juana Gertrudis Fernanadez de Rueda Married June 14, 1734 Jalos
----- Original Message -----
From: sandragomezmendoza>>
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org>>
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 8:13 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco

Hello to all! Saludos a todos! Hope every one had a great Christmas and also wishing you the best for the new year!

Anyway, any help would be great. Does anyone have any info on the origins of the Enriquez in La Nueva Galicia?

Saludos!

Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco

Comment

I only have his marriage certificate, but I have his daughters birth certificate - Maria Pheliziana de San Jose Enriquez b-June 11, 1777 Media Anega, Jalos Jalisco
----- Original Message -----
From: Sandra Gomez Mendoza
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan,Jalisco

OK I figured it out. The 2 I have on my tree are aunt and niece. The niece is the one whose mom is Gertrudis Diaz de Leon.

You said you have Jose Maria's marriage certificate... do you have his DOB, etc?

Thanks!!

Sandra Gómez Mendoza :-)
San Antonio, TX

----- Original Message ----
From: Miggy GUTIERREZ >
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2008 5:22:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco

You are correct, I have that info too but there are 2 Ana Alvarez tostado and about 6 others with middle names
----- Original Message -----
From: Sandra Gomez Mendoza>
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan,Jalisco

One more thing... I had Ana Alvarez Tostado on my tree but her mom was Gertrudis Diaz de Leon, not Isabel Ramirez de Mendoza... what are your thoughts??

Thanks!!

----- Original Message ----
From: Miggy GUTIERREZ >>
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2008 5:03:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco

Sandra, I have a copy of Jose Maria's marriage certificate, Joseph-Vicente was born Aug 26, 1714 in La Media Anega, Jalos Jalisco, his father was Francisco Enriquez b-Nov 15, 1677 Nochistlan Married to Ana Alvarez Tostado m-Feb 26, 1702 in Nochistlan b- abt 1681 d- May 29, 1754 Francisco's parents Pedro Enriquez b-abt 1645 married Isabel Calderon(Delgadillo) b- abt 1650 source Retoños de Espana-- Ana's Parents Capitan Juan Alvarez Tostado b-June 6, 1644 Teocaltiche, Jal married to Isabel Ramirez de Mendoza b-abt 1660----- Original Message -----
From: Sandra Gomez Mendoza>>
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org>>
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan,Jalisco

Thank you Miggy! May I ask how you got this info? Are they in your tree?

Saludos!

----- Original Message ----
From: Miggy GUTIERREZ >>>
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Sent: Tuesday, January 1, 2008 1:40:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco

The parents of Jose Maria are Joseph Vicente Enriquez and Juana Manuela Gonzales de Hermosillo married January 29, 1741 Jalos the parents of Maria are Joseph Gonzalez Delgadillo(Villasenor) and Juana Gertrudis Fernanadez de Rueda Married June 14, 1734 Jalos
----- Original Message -----
From: sandragomezmendoza>>>
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org>>>
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 8:13 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco

Hello to all! Saludos a todos! Hope every one had a great Christmas and also wishing you the best for the new year!

Anyway, any help would be great. Does anyone have any info on the origins of the Enriquez in La Nueva Galicia?

Saludos!

Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco

Comment

Hi Miggy,

Thanks to the info you sent me I also came across the marriage of yet another Ana Maria Alvarez Tostado but this one to Jose Sixto Enriquez in Teocaltiche. Does anyone happen to have any more info on this wedding? I think this might be my connection to my Enriquez from Amoxochitl (Juchipila area).

Thanks!!

07 JAN 1794 Nuestra Senora De Los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco, Mexico

Sandra Gómez de Mendoza

One more thing... I had Ana Alvarez Tostado on my tree but her mom was Gertrudis Diaz de Leon, not Isabel Ramirez de Mendoza... what are your thoughts??

Thanks!!

Thank you Miggy! May I ask how you got this info? Are they in your tree?

Saludos!

The parents of Jose Maria are Joseph Vicente Enriquez and Juana Manuela Gonzales de Hermosillo married January 29, 1741 Jalos the parents of Maria are Joseph Gonzalez Delgadillo(Villasenor) and Juana Gertrudis Fernanadez de Rueda Married June 14, 1734 Jalos
----- Original Message -----
From: sandragomezmendoza>>
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org>>
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 8:13 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco

Hello to all! Saludos a todos! Hope every one had a great Christmas and also wishing you the best for the new year!

Anyway, any help would be great. Does anyone have any info on the origins of the Enriquez in La Nueva Galicia?

Saludos!

Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco

Comment

Sandra, I have a Jose Sisto Rafael Enriquez born June 6, 1757 in Jalos brother to Jose Maria your original request- I do not have a wife.

Miguel Gutierrez de la Torre
----- Original Message -----
From: Sandra Gomez Mendoza
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan,Jalisco

Hi Miggy,

Thanks!!

07 JAN 1794 Nuestra Senora De Los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco, Mexico

Sandra Gómez de Mendoza

One more thing... I had Ana Alvarez Tostado on my tree but her mom was Gertrudis Diaz de Leon, not Isabel Ramirez de Mendoza... what are your thoughts??

Thanks!!

Sandra, I have a copy of Jose Maria's marriage certificate, Joseph-Vicente was born Aug 26, 1714 in La Media Anega, Jalos Jalisco, his father was Francisco Enriquez b-Nov 15, 1677 Nochistlan Married to Ana Alvarez Tostado m-Feb 26, 1702 in Nochistlan b- abt 1681 d- May 29, 1754 Francisco's parents Pedro Enriquez b-abt 1645 married Isabel Calderon(Delgadillo) b- abt 1650 source Retoños de Espana-- Ana's Parents Capitan Juan Alvarez Tostado b-June 6, 1644 Teocaltiche, Jal married to Isabel Ramirez de Mendoza b-abt 1660----- Original Message -----
From: Sandra Gomez Mendoza>>
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org>>
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan,Jalisco

Thank you Miggy! May I ask how you got this info? Are they in your tree?

Saludos!

The parents of Jose Maria are Joseph Vicente Enriquez and Juana Manuela Gonzales de Hermosillo married January 29, 1741 Jalos the parents of Maria are Joseph Gonzalez Delgadillo(Villasenor) and Juana Gertrudis Fernanadez de Rueda Married June 14, 1734 Jalos
----- Original Message -----
From: sandragomezmendoza>>>
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org>>>
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 8:13 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco

Hello to all! Saludos a todos! Hope every one had a great Christmas and also wishing you the best for the new year!

Anyway, any help would be great. Does anyone have any info on the origins of the Enriquez in La Nueva Galicia?

Saludos!

Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco

Comment

Wow, exactly what I thought. Thanks!

Sandra Gomez de Mendoza

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-----Original Message-----
From: "Miggy GUTIERREZ"

Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 08:37:49
To:
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan,
Jalisco

Sandra, I have a Jose Sisto Rafael Enriquez born June 6, 1757 in Jalos brother to Jose Maria your original request- I do not have a wife.

Hi Miggy,

Thanks!!

07 JAN 1794 Nuestra Senora De Los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco, Mexico

Sandra Gómez de Mendoza

One more thing... I had Ana Alvarez Tostado on my tree but her mom was Gertrudis Diaz de Leon, not Isabel Ramirez de Mendoza... what are your thoughts??

Thanks!!

Sandra, I have a copy of Jose Maria's marriage certificate, Joseph-Vicente was born Aug 26, 1714 in La Media Anega, Jalos Jalisco, his father was Francisco Enriquez b-Nov 15, 1677 Nochistlan Married to Ana Alvarez Tostado m-Feb 26, 1702 in Nochistlan b- abt 1681 d- May 29, 1754 Francisco's parents Pedro Enriquez b-abt 1645 married Isabel Calderon(Delgadillo) b- abt 1650 source Retoños de Espana-- Ana's Parents Capitan Juan Alvarez Tostado b-June 6, 1644 Teocaltiche, Jal married to Isabel Ramirez de Mendoza b-abt 1660----- Original Message -----
From: Sandra Gomez Mendoza>>
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org>>
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan,Jalisco

Thank you Miggy! May I ask how you got this info? Are they in your tree?

Saludos!

The parents of Jose Maria are Joseph Vicente Enriquez and Juana Manuela Gonzales de Hermosillo married January 29, 1741 Jalos the parents of Maria are Joseph Gonzalez Delgadillo(Villasenor) and Juana Gertrudis Fernanadez de Rueda Married June 14, 1734 Jalos
----- Original Message -----
From: sandragomezmendoza>>>
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org>>>
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 8:13 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco

Hello to all! Saludos a todos! Hope every one had a great Christmas and also wishing you the best for the new year!

Anyway, any help would be great. Does anyone have any info on the origins of the Enriquez in La Nueva Galicia?

Saludos!

Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco

Comment

Sandra, the film number is 279258-- in the same film you will find another sister Ana Maria Sirila b-July 18, 1762.. other siblings are Maria Gertrudis b-abt 1749 so- Retonos de Espana
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan,Jalisco

Wow, exactly what I thought. Thanks!

Sandra Gomez de Mendoza

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-----Original Message-----
From: "Miggy GUTIERREZ" >

Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 08:37:49
To:>
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan,
Jalisco

Sandra, I have a Jose Sisto Rafael Enriquez born June 6, 1757 in Jalos brother to Jose Maria your original request- I do not have a wife.

Miguel Gutierrez de la Torre
----- Original Message -----
From: Sandra Gomez Mendoza>
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org>
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan,Jalisco

Hi Miggy,

Thanks!!

07 JAN 1794 Nuestra Senora De Los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco, Mexico

Sandra Gómez de Mendoza

----- Original Message ----
From: Miggy GUTIERREZ >>
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2008 5:22:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco

You are correct, I have that info too but there are 2 Ana Alvarez tostado and about 6 others with middle names
----- Original Message -----
From: Sandra Gomez Mendoza>>
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org>>
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan,Jalisco

One more thing... I had Ana Alvarez Tostado on my tree but her mom was Gertrudis Diaz de Leon, not Isabel Ramirez de Mendoza... what are your thoughts??

Thanks!!

----- Original Message ----
From: Miggy GUTIERREZ >>>
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org>>
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2008 5:03:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco

Sandra, I have a copy of Jose Maria's marriage certificate, Joseph-Vicente was born Aug 26, 1714 in La Media Anega, Jalos Jalisco, his father was Francisco Enriquez b-Nov 15, 1677 Nochistlan Married to Ana Alvarez Tostado m-Feb 26, 1702 in Nochistlan b- abt 1681 d- May 29, 1754 Francisco's parents Pedro Enriquez b-abt 1645 married Isabel Calderon(Delgadillo) b- abt 1650 source Retoños de Espana-- Ana's Parents Capitan Juan Alvarez Tostado b-June 6, 1644 Teocaltiche, Jal married to Isabel Ramirez de Mendoza b-abt 1660----- Original Message -----
From: Sandra Gomez Mendoza>>>
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org>>>
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan,Jalisco

Thank you Miggy! May I ask how you got this info? Are they in your tree?

Saludos!

----- Original Message ----
From: Miggy GUTIERREZ >>>>
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org>>>
Sent: Tuesday, January 1, 2008 1:40:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco

The parents of Jose Maria are Joseph Vicente Enriquez and Juana Manuela Gonzales de Hermosillo married January 29, 1741 Jalos the parents of Maria are Joseph Gonzalez Delgadillo(Villasenor) and Juana Gertrudis Fernanadez de Rueda Married June 14, 1734 Jalos
----- Original Message -----
From: sandragomezmendoza>>>>
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org>>>>
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 8:13 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco

Hello to all! Saludos a todos! Hope every one had a great Christmas and also wishing you the best for the new year!

Anyway, any help would be great. Does anyone have any info on the origins of the Enriquez in La Nueva Galicia?

Saludos!

Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco

Comment

Hi Miggy,

You noted earlier that Juana Manuela Gonzalez de Hermosillo was Jose Maria Enriquez's mom. Do you happen to have any info on her? I found a similar record for Juana Gonzalez de Hermosillo as daughter to Juana De Anda Altamirano and Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo christened on 21 May 1725 in San Juan de los Lagos (that would make her about 16 at marriage).

Thoughts anyone?

Gracias!

Sandra Gómez de Mendoza

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Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco

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try this pdf.

Miguel Gutierrez de la Torre
----- Original Message -----
From: Sandra Gomez Mendoza
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan,Jalisco

Hi Miggy,

Thoughts anyone?

Gracias!

Sandra Gómez de Mendoza

Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco

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Hi Miggy,

Sorry... the attachment did not come through.

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Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco

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This website does not accept attachments, but you can copy and paste text to the body of the e-mail.

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA
----- Original Message -----
From: Sandra Gomez Mendoza
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan,Jalisco

Hi Miggy,

Sorry... the attachment did not come through.

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Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco

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Sandra lets try again.
Miguel Gutierrez de la Torre
----- Original Message -----
From: Sandra Gomez Mendoza
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan,Jalisco

Hi Miggy,

Sorry... the attachment did not come through.

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Sandra, check if the pasted tree is accepted

Miggy
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan,Jalisco

Hi Miggy,

Sorry... the attachment did not come through.

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Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco

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Sandra , follow the numbers double the number is a parent

Miguel Angel Gutierrez
----- Original Message -----
From: Sandra Gomez Mendoza
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan,Jalisco

Hi Miggy,

Sorry... the attachment did not come through.

JOSE-MARIA ENRIQUEZ 58g

b: Abt. 1750 in La Media Anega, Jalos, Jalisco

m: 22 Nov 1772 in Nochistlan, Zac So-226727-Hac hts Have

Maria Gertrudis Enriquez

b: Abt. 1749 in Lagos Jal RE-84

m: 29 Jan 1770 in Lagos, Jal So-RE-84

Joseph-Sisto-Rafael Enriquez

b: 09 Jun 1757 in Jalos , Jalisco 279258

Anna-Maria-Sirila ENRIQUEZ

b: 18 Jul 1762 in Jalos , Jalisco 279258

JOSEPH-VICENTE ENRIQUEZ 116g

b: 26 Aug 1714 in La Media Anega, Jalos RE-84 So-279254

Need 1357-45-3 Have

m: 29 Jan 1741 in Jalos, Jal 279295 Have So-1396254 Ba-

867916-01

JUANA MANUELA. GONZALEZ DE HERMOSILLO 117g

b: 21 May 1725 in San Juan de los Lagos,Jal-So-1396254-

867916-01

FRANCISCO ENRIQUEZ 232g

b: 25 Nov 1677 in Nochistlan, Zac RE-84 So-57 45-03

(22646Need)Utah

m: 26 Feb 1702 in Nochistlan, Zac So-54 15-17(226725

Need)

ANA ALVAREZ TOSTADO 233g

b: Abt. 1681 in Nochistlan, Zac So-54 15-17

JUAN GONZALEZ DE HERMOSILLO 38g98g234g

b: 1680 in Jalos, Jal So-54 16-01

m: 1714 in Teocaltiche, Jal So-54 16- 01

JUANA DE ANDA ALTAMIRANO 39g99g235g

b: Abt. 1693 in Teocaltiche, Jal So-54 16-01

PEDRO ENRIQUEZ 464g-310s-438s

b: Abt. 1645 in Nochistlan?-RE-84

m: 03 Jul 1667 in Nochistlan, Zac So-226724 (Need Orange)

ISABEL CALDERON(DELGADILLO) 465g-311s-439s

b: Abt. 1650 in Nochistlan?-RE-84

JUAN(Cap) ALVAREZ TOSTADO 156g-466g

b: 06 Jun 1644 in Teocaltiche,Jal-So-1396254 Ba-867915-

17(RE-77)

m: 1668 in Jalos , Jalisco- So-1396254 Ba-867915-17

ISABEL RAMIREZ DE MENDOZA 157g-467g

b: Abt. 1660 in Jalos , Jalisco-So-1396237 Ba-867345-40

M. GONZALEZ DE HERMOSILLO 76g346d878go

b: 19 Jan 1643 in Lagos, Jal So-57 45-50

m: Abt. 1666 in Juchipila,Zac So-55 25-34

F. RENTERIA MOJICA 77g347d879go197g211g

b: 1645 in Juchipila, Zac So-55 25-34

JOSEPH DE ANDA ALTAMIRANO 78g198g

b: Abt. 1665 in Teocaltiche, Jal? So-54 916- 01

JUANA MORAN DE LEDESMA 79g199g

b: Abt. 1674 in Teocaltiche, Jal? So-54 916- 01

LORENZO ALVAREZ TOSTADO 312g-296d

b: 1615 in Teocaltiche,Jal-So-1396255 Ba-868024-08

m: 1638 in Teocaltiche, Jal So-1396287 Ba-867631-08

MARIA-(FRANCISCA) DE NAVA Y CUEVAS 313g-297d

b: 22 Mar 1619 in Lagos de Moreno-So-221879 (Need)

JOSEPH RAMIREZ DE MENDOZA 310g314g162d930s

b: Abt. 1615 in Jalos, Jal So-37 45-40

m: Abt. 1640 in Jalos, Jal So-37 45-40

ANA MUÑOZ DE HERMOSILLO 311g315g163d931s

b: Abt. 1619 in Jalos, Jal So-54 15-05

M. GONZALEZ DE HERMOSILLO 392g692d420g

b: 1616 in Jalos , Jal So-57 45-50

m: Abt. 1640 in Lagos, Jal So-57 45-50

BEATRIZ GONZALEZ DE RUVALCABA 393g693d421g

Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco

Comment

Hi Miggy,

Thanks for your help!

With the info on Pedro Enriquez you gave me I found his full name, birth and his parents. The root is Enriquez del Castillo. Any idea on his parents? See below:

Pedro Enriquez del Castillo was christened on 24 May 1646 in Sagrario Metropolitano, Guadalajara, Jal, Mexico. He married Isabel Calderon Delgadillo on 3 Jul 1667 in Nochistlan, Zac, Mexico.

Isabel Calderon Delgadillo was born about 1650.

Second Generation

Hernando Enriquez del Castillo .Hernando married Maria de Cuellar.

Maria de Cuellar .

Diego Delgadillo .Diego married Petrona de Islas.

Petrona de Islas .

Saludos!

Sandra Gómez de Mendoza

Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco

Comment

Hello Sandra, thank you on the added info on Pedro and Parents--was was your source?

Miguel Gutierrez de la Torre

----- Original Message -----
From: Sandra Gomez Mendoza
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan,Jalisco

Hi Miggy,

Thanks for your help!

With the info on Pedro Enriquez you gave me I found his full name, birth and his parents. The root is Enriquez del Castillo. Any idea on his parents? See below:

Pedro Enriquez del Castillo was christened on 24 May 1646 in Sagrario Metropolitano, Guadalajara, Jal, Mexico. He married Isabel Calderon Delgadillo on 3 Jul 1667 in Nochistlan, Zac, Mexico.

Isabel Calderon Delgadillo was born about 1650.

Second Generation

Hernando Enriquez del Castillo .Hernando married Maria de Cuellar.

Maria de Cuellar .

Diego Delgadillo .Diego married Petrona de Islas.

Petrona de Islas .

Saludos!

Sandra Gómez de Mendoza

Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco

Comment

In my records Pedro's parents are Hernando and Maria de Cuellar! Hope all of this helps somehow. -Dániel Méndez del Camino

PEDRO ENRIQUEZ CUELLAR
Pedigree

Male

Event(s):

Birth:

Christening:

24 MAY 1646
Sagrario Metropolitano, Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico

Death:

Burial:

Parents:

Father:
HERNANDO ENRIQUEZ DEL CASTILLO
Family

Mother:
MARIA DE CUELLAR

Messages:

Extracted birth or christening record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Source Information:

Batch No.:
Dates:
Source Call No.:
Type:
Printout Call No.:
Type:

J603143
1645 - 1656
0038311
Film
NONE

Sheet: 00This is the only Hernando of that time but the wife is different from Pedro's mother. Its probably him though, since its guadalajara. You better verify it first.

HERNANDO ENRRIQUES DEL CASTILLO
Pedigree

Male

Family

Event(s):

Birth:

Christening:

Death:

Burial:

Marriages:

Spouse:
MARIANA DIAS DE PANGUA
Family

Marriage:

22 JUN 1621
Sagrario Metropolitano, Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico

Messages:

Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

Source Information:

Batch No.:
Dates:
Source Call No.:
Type:
Printout Call No.:
Type:

M603141
1600 - 1634
0038309
Film
NONE

Sheet: 00
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Thank you Daniel! I've been able to take it a little further now. How exciting! Hernando's last name is Enriquez del Castillo.

Saludos!

Sandra Gomez de Mendoza

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Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco

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correction that was 1677
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan,Jalisco

Hi Miggy,

It all makes sense except Francisco Enriquez being born in 1617 in Nochistlan (that would make him 100 at Joseph's birth).

Thanks again!!!!

Sandra, I have a copy of Jose Maria's marriage certificate, Joseph-Vicente was born Aug 26, 1714 in La Media Anega, Jalos Jalisco, his father was Francisco Enriquez b-Nov 15, 1617 Nochistlan Married to Ana Alvarez Tostado m-Feb 26, 1702 in Nochistlan b- abt 1681 d- May 29, 1754 Francisco's parents Pedro Enriquez b-abt 1645 married Isabel Calderon(Delgadillo) b- abt 1650 source Retoños de Espana-- Ana's Parents Capitan Juan Alvarez Tostado b-June 6, 1644 Teocaltiche, Jal married to Isabel Ramirez de Mendoza b-abt 1660----- Original Message -----
From: Sandra Gomez Mendoza>
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan,Jalisco

Thank you Miggy! May I ask how you got this info? Are they in your tree?

Saludos!

The parents of Jose Maria are Joseph Vicente Enriquez and Juana Manuela Gonzales de Hermosillo married January 29, 1741 Jalos the parents of Maria are Joseph Gonzalez Delgadillo(Villasenor) and Juana Gertrudis Fernanadez de Rueda Married June 14, 1734 Jalos
----- Original Message -----
From: sandragomezmendoza>>
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org>>
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 8:13 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco

Hello to all! Saludos a todos! Hope every one had a great Christmas and also wishing you the best for the new year!

Anyway, any help would be great. Does anyone have any info on the origins of the Enriquez in La Nueva Galicia?

Saludos!

Looking for info on DE LEON's from Huejucar, Jalisco

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History, Culture and General Discussion

Can anyone help me with my family tree? My father's (Elias de Leon) ancestors are from Huejucar, Jalisco. Beyond my GGF Nicolas de Leon, born Abt 1845, I know nothing.
His father was Francisco de Leon son of Nicolas de Leon and Refugio Covarrubias. He was a music composer who was born after 1866 and died probably around 1910-1915 at the hands of a beating from Pancho Villa's thugs. Only recently have I discovered that Francisco had a brother named Espiridion de Leon who was baptised in Huejucar on 12/18/1874.

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Huejucar families

Comment

Dreamwalker, do you have a name?? Who am I talking with???

Linda Castanon-Long

Huejucar families

Comment

I should have looked before asking.. Joseph Leon from Modesto... My aunt Virginia Banuelos Gutierrez who lives in Stkn Ca. is from the line of Ysaac Banuelos but I think you already have this information. She told me a De Leon had contacted her but never got back to her. There are 2 or 3 people in this group related to this line.

Linda Castanon-Long in Everett

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Dreamwalker, do you have a name?? Who am I talking with???

Linda Castanon-Long

Huejucar families

Comment

Hi, Linda! Virginia didn't tell me about you. I've been keeping in touch with her sister Irene in SSF and Brian Banuelos. Brian said that he was going to compare data with me but so far...no word from him!

Who are the other cousins related to this line?

Can you help me with the Banuelos and Flores ancestor pedigree?

Erlinda Castanon-Long wrote:
I should have looked before asking.. Joseph Leon from Modesto... My aunt Virginia Banuelos Gutierrez who lives in Stkn Ca. is from the line of Ysaac Banuelos but I think you already have this information. She told me a De Leon had contacted her but never got back to her. There are 2 or 3 people in this group related to this line.

Linda Castanon-Long in Everett

longsjourney wrote:

Dreamwalker, do you have a name?? Who am I talking with???

Linda Castanon-Long

Huejucar families

Comment

Hello what name do you go by? I missed your introduction to the group.

I checked and didn't see your info submitted yet, I look forward to seeing it. Rosalinda Ruis and your moderator Joseph Puentes are both related to the Banuelos line in Huejucar and generously shared information with me. What I have is mostly from them plus what I found on the IGI. I haven't pursued this line very far since it was information for my Aunt and not part of my immediate family research but I am watching to see if there is a connection with the Banuelos from Jerez Zacatecas as Rosalia suspects. I did post my findings on Rootsweb for easier reading. Some people in the group are busy during the holidays so postings will be more likely later in Jan..

good luck in your search, Linda in Everett

Jose Carlos de Leon wrote:
Hi, Linda! Virginia didn't tell me about you. I've been keeping in touch with her sister Irene in SSF and Brian Banuelos. Brian said that he was going to compare data with me but so far...no word from him!

Who are the other cousins related to this line?

Can you help me with the Banuelos and Flores ancestor pedigree?

Linda Castanon-Long in Everett

longsjourney wrote:

Dreamwalker, do you have a name?? Who am I talking with???

Linda Castanon-Long

Huejucar families

Comment

I go by Joe de Leon. My legal name is Joseph. How do I post my introductionto the group?

Erlinda Castanon-Long wrote: Hello what name do you go by? I missed your introduction to the group.

good luck in your search, Linda in Everett

Who are the other cousins related to this line?

Can you help me with the Banuelos and Flores ancestor pedigree?

Linda Castanon-Long in Everett

longsjourney wrote:

Dreamwalker, do you have a name?? Who am I talking with???

Linda Castanon-Long

Looking for info on DE LEON's from Huejucar, Jalisco

Comment

I found this...i thought it might be useful? DOnt know if you have this already....You might wanna order the microfilm to findout who Nicolas' parents were as well as Refugio's. At the end of this email youll find a Nicolas Leon that I found that may be yours since he was born in Huejucar, but only a guess. I strongly believe you should order that micorfilm for the marriage before coming to any conclusions. -Daniel Mendez del Camino

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NICOLAS DE LEON
Pedigree

Male

Family

Event(s):

Birth:

Christening:

Death:

Burial:

Marriages:

Spouse:
REFUGIO COVARRUBIAS
Family

Marriage:

08 JUN 1866
Huejucar, Jalisco, Mexico

Messages:

Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

Source Information:

Batch No.:
Dates:
Source Call No.:
Type:
Printout Call No.:
Type:

M602986
1834 - 1885
0445147
Film
NONE

Sheet: 00

20. PASCUAL LEON COBARRUVIAS - International Genealogical Index / MEGender: Male Christening: 03 JAN 1872 Huejucar, Jalisco, Mexico

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MARIA EUGENIA LEON COVARRUBIAS
Pedigree

Female

Event(s):

Birth:

Christening:

30 NOV 1868
Huejucar, Jalisco, Mexico

Death:

Burial:

Parents:

Father:
NICOLAS DE LEON
Family

Mother:
MARIA DEL REFUGIO COVARRUBIAS

Messages:

Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Source Information:

Batch No.:
Dates:
Source Call No.:
Type:
Printout Call No.:
Type:

C606013
1868 - 1875
0445096
Film
NONE

Sheet: 00

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NICOLAS LEON DIAS
Pedigree

Male

Event(s):

Birth:

Christening:

01 OCT 1852
Huejucar, Jalisco, Mexico

Death:

Burial:

Parents:

Father:
HIGINIO DE LEON
Family

Mother:
MARTINA DIAS

Messages:

Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Source Information:

Batch No.:
Dates:
Source Call No.:
Type:
Printout Call No.:
Type:

C602989
1847 - 1855
0045093
Film
NONE

Sheet: 00
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Looking for info on DE LEON's from Huejucar, Jalisco

Comment

Thanks! I've ordered the microfilm for Pascual and Maria Eugenia.
I did find Higinio but am unsure because Nicolas would've been 14 years old at marriage, I'll order that microfilm as well.

Daniel Mendez wrote:

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NICOLAS DE LEON
Pedigree

Male

Family

Event(s):

Birth:

Christening:

Death:

Burial:

Marriages:

Spouse:
REFUGIO COVARRUBIAS
Family

Marriage:

08 JUN 1866
Huejucar, Jalisco, Mexico

Messages:

Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

Source Information:

Batch No.:
Dates:
Source Call No.:
Type:
Printout Call No.:
Type:

M602986
1834 - 1885
0445147
Film
NONE

Sheet: 00

20. PASCUAL LEON COBARRUVIAS - International Genealogical Index / MEGender: Male Christening: 03 JAN 1872 Huejucar, Jalisco, Mexico

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MARIA EUGENIA LEON COVARRUBIAS
Pedigree

Female

Event(s):

Birth:

Christening:

30 NOV 1868
Huejucar, Jalisco, Mexico

Death:

Burial:

Parents:

Father:
NICOLAS DE LEON
Family

Mother:
MARIA DEL REFUGIO COVARRUBIAS

Messages:

Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Source Information:

Batch No.:
Dates:
Source Call No.:
Type:
Printout Call No.:
Type:

C606013
1868 - 1875
0445096
Film
NONE

Sheet: 00

IGI Individual Record
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Mexico

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NICOLAS LEON DIAS
Pedigree

Male

Event(s):

Birth:

Christening:

01 OCT 1852
Huejucar, Jalisco, Mexico

Death:

Burial:

Parents:

Father:
HIGINIO DE LEON
Family

Mother:
MARTINA DIAS

Messages:

Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Source Information:

Batch No.:
Dates:
Source Call No.:
Type:
Printout Call No.:
Type:

C602989
1847 - 1855
0045093
Film
NONE

Pascual de Leon

Comment

Thanks for all of your help and support1 You don't realize how much this means to me.
I ordered the microfilm 2 months ago and I received the microfilm today and found out the names of both sets of his grandparents! Pascual's paternal grandparents were FELIX DE LEON and SIMONA MARTINES and his maternal grandparents were CATARINO COBARRUBIAS and ROSALIA MAYORGA !!

Can anyone help me with their history?

Pascual de Leon

Comment

I misread the last name for ROSALIA , it's MONTOYA (not Mayorga). I have photoshop and enhanced the photo to read it better, besides, I was able to find her info on marriage to CATARINO COVARRUVIAS

---------------------------------
ROSALIA MONTOYA Pedigree Female Family
---------------------------------
Event(s): Birth: Christening: Death: Burial:
---------------------------------
Marriages: Spouse: CATARINO COVARRUBIAS Family Marriage: 21 JAN 1836 San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
---------------------------------
Messages: Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
---------------------------------
Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: M604654 1819 - 1840 0443784 Film NONE Sheet: 00

Joseph de Leon wrote:

Can anyone help me with their history?

Catarino Covarrubias and Rosalia Montoya

Comment

Joe:

Joseph Puentes, who is the moderator of the group, has the relevant Colotlan marriage film (0443784) on indefinite loan in his local family history center. You can check for whether a member has a film or not in the films database.

If you ask him nicely :) and he has time he may be willing to do the look up for you. The actual record should have the names of their parents. Covarrubias is a very prolific name around Totatiche and Colotlan, Jalisco. Many indigenous people who took the name and some from the direct line of an Isabel Covarrubias, who was married to Jacinto Talamentes in the early to mid 1600s (perhaps the earliest Spanish settlers in Totatiche) and were likely the owners of the San Antonio de Cartagenas Hacienda right on the border of what are now the municipalities of Colotlan and Totatiche.

Lookups: was - Catarino Covarrubias and Rosalia Montoya

Comment

I'd be glad to do very very specific look ups on any of my films on the
first Thursdays of every month. You just missed one yesterday. If you
want a look up for next month send me:

the film number, the names and exact date of the event.

joseph

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arturoramos wrote:
> Joe:
>
> Joseph Puentes, who is the moderator of the group, has the relevant Colotlan marriage film (0443784) on indefinite loan in his local family history center. You can check for whether a member has a film or not in the films database.
>
> If you ask him nicely :) and he has time he may be willing to do the look up for you. The actual record should have the names of their parents. Covarrubias is a very prolific name around Totatiche and Colotlan, Jalisco. Many indigenous people who took the name and some from the direct line of an Isabel Covarrubias, who was married to Jacinto Talamentes in the early to mid 1600s (perhaps the earliest Spanish settlers in Totatiche) and were likely the owners of the San Antonio de Cartagenas Hacienda right on the border of what are now the municipalities of Colotlan and Totatiche.

Lookups: was - Catarino Covarrubias and Rosalia Montoya

Comment

Can you do a look-up for Felix de Leon and Simona Martines anf also Catarino Covarrubias and Rosalia Montoya to see who were each of their parents? PLEASE ?
for next month ?

IGI Individual Record
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---------------------------------
FELIS DE LEON Pedigree Male Family
---------------------------------
Event(s): Birth: Christening: Death: Burial:
---------------------------------
Marriages: Spouse: SIMONA MARTINEZ Family Marriage: 15 OCT 1844 San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
---------------------------------
Messages: Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
---------------------------------
Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: M604655 1840 - 1854 0443785 Film NONE Sheet: 00

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ROSALIA MONTOYA Pedigree
Female Family

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Marriages:
Spouse: CATARINO COVARRUBIAS Family
Marriage: 21 JAN 1836 San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged

Jose Carlos de Leon

Felix de Leon and Simona Martinez

Comment

Joe:

Felix de Leon and Simona Martinez were also married in Colotlan:

FELIS DE LEON Male
Marriages:
Spouse: SIMONA MARTINEZ
Marriage: 15 OCT 1844 San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico

Source Information:
Batch No.: M604655 Film No. 0443785

and likely the same person married to his first wife... often second marriages do not list parents names but simply deceased spouses name:

FELICIANO DE LEON Male
Marriages:
Spouse: GERTRUDIS SANDOVL.
Marriage: 07 FEB 1838 San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico

Source Information:
Batch No.: M604654 Film No. 0443784

There is also the following person who may be the same person as well:

JOSSE FELICIANO LEON SANCHEZ Male
Christening: 12 JUN 1819 San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
Parents:
Father: MARTIN DE LEON Family
Mother: MARIA GERTRUDIS SANCHEZ

Source Information:
Batch No.: C602867 Film No. 0443677

Felix de Leon and Simona Martinez

Comment

Arturo, WOW! I just found out that he was my GGF this morning and with you're help, I'm learning more and more!
I'm still looking for Eugenio Carlos' info. Don't give up on me.
I started accumulating data on CARLOS s who were christened or married in Jerez...so far I have 300 names. I need to sort it out and connect the dots.

arturoramos wrote:

Joe:

Felix de Leon and Simona Martinez were also married in Colotlan:

FELIS DE LEON Male
Marriages:
Spouse: SIMONA MARTINEZ
Marriage: 15 OCT 1844 San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico

Source Information:
Batch No.: M604655 Film No. 0443785

and likely the same person married to his first wife... often second marriages do not list parents names but simply deceased spouses name:

FELICIANO DE LEON Male
Marriages:
Spouse: GERTRUDIS SANDOVL.
Marriage: 07 FEB 1838 San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico

Source Information:
Batch No.: M604654 Film No. 0443784

There is also the following person who may be the same person as well:

JOSSE FELICIANO LEON SANCHEZ Male
Christening: 12 JUN 1819 San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
Parents:
Father: MARTIN DE LEON Family
Mother: MARIA GERTRUDIS SANCHEZ

Source Information:
Batch No.: C602867 Film No. 0443677

Felix de Leon and Simona Martinez

Comment

I found a record for my GGF Felix de leon showing a daughter!

IGI Individual Record FamilySearch International Genealogical Index v5.0 Mexico Search Results | Download
---------------------------------
MARIA TOMASA LEON MARTINEZ Pedigree Female
---------------------------------
Event(s): Birth: Christening: 25 SEP 1845 San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico Death: Burial:
---------------------------------
Parents: Father: FELIS DE LEON Family Mother: SIMONA MARTINEZ
arturoramos wrote:

Joe:

Felix de Leon and Simona Martinez were also married in Colotlan:

FELIS DE LEON Male
Marriages:
Spouse: SIMONA MARTINEZ
Marriage: 15 OCT 1844 San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico

Source Information:
Batch No.: M604655 Film No. 0443785

and likely the same person married to his first wife... often second marriages do not list parents names but simply deceased spouses name:

FELICIANO DE LEON Male
Marriages:
Spouse: GERTRUDIS SANDOVL.
Marriage: 07 FEB 1838 San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico

Source Information:
Batch No.: M604654 Film No. 0443784

There is also the following person who may be the same person as well:

JOSSE FELICIANO LEON SANCHEZ Male
Christening: 12 JUN 1819 San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
Parents:
Father: MARTIN DE LEON Family
Mother: MARIA GERTRUDIS SANCHEZ

Source Information:
Batch No.: C602867 Film No. 0443677

assing deeper roots to my tree

Comment

Today I viewed a microfilm and learned the names of the parents of Nicolas de Leon and Refugio Covarrubias and thanks to your help I learned more about them. Arturo Ramos found out that both sets of my GGGFs were married in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico ! I found more children for both sets of them !
Descendants of Felix de Leon

1 Felix de Leon 1820 -
.. +Simona Martines 1820 -
........ 2 Nicolas de Leon 1846 - 1899
............ +Maria del Refugio Covarrubias 1845 - 1899
................... 3 Maria Eugenia de Leon 1868 -
................... 3 Pascual de Leon 1872 -
................... 3 Espiridion de Leon 1874 -
................... 3 Francisco de Leon 1880 - 1910
....................... +Petra Flores 1884 - 1977
............................. 4 Elias de Leon 1904 - 1999
................................. +Maria del Transito Carlos 1909 - 1992
............................. 4 Liborio de Leon 1906 - 1995
................................. +Maria Luisa Loya
............................. *2nd Wife of Liborio de Leon:
................................. +Maria Vaca
............................. *3rd Wife of Liborio de Leon:
................................. +Emma Emilia Hernandez 1909 - 1980
............................. 4 Aurora de Leon 1905 - 1905
........ 2 Maria Tomasa de Leon 1845 -
........ 2 Hipolito de Leon 1848 -

Descendants of Catarino Covarrubias

1 Catarino Covarrubias 1816 -
.. +Rosalia Montoya 1816 -
........ 2 Petra Covarrubias 1840 -
........ 2 Maria del Refugio Covarrubias 1845 - 1899
............ +Nicolas de Leon 1846 - 1899
................... 3 Maria Eugenia de Leon 1868 -
................... 3 Pascual de Leon 1872 -
................... 3 Espiridion de Leon 1874 -
................... 3 Francisco de Leon 1880 - 1910
....................... +Petra Flores 1884 - 1977
............................. 4 Elias de Leon 1904 - 1999
................................. +Maria del Transito Carlos 1909 - 1992
............................. 4 Liborio de Leon 1906 - 1995
................................. +Maria Luisa Loya
............................. *2nd Wife of Liborio de Leon:
................................. +Maria Vaca
............................. *3rd Wife of Liborio de Leon:
................................. +Emma Emilia Hernandez 1909 - 1980
............................. 4 Aurora de Leon 1905 - 1905
........ 2 Maria Victoria Covarrubias 1847 -
........ 2 Maria Josefa Covarrubias 1860 -

Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Pascual de Leon

Comment

I tried sending this earlier, but it never reached the group.

Rosalinda

-----Forwarded Message-----

Sent: Jan 3, 2008 6:23 PM
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Pascual de Leon

Hi Joseph--

I looked them up at familysearch.org. Rosalia's last name may have been Montoya. I can do a lookup on the Huejucar names; I have some Colotlan films, too, but I can't remember which ones right now.

Rosalinda

Here's what I found--

IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0
Mexico
Search Results | Download

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

FELIS DE LEON Pedigree
Male Family

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Marriages:
Spouse: SIMONA MARTINEZ Family
Marriage: 15 OCT 1844 San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

M604655 1840 - 1854 0443785 Film NONE

Sheet: 00

MARIA TOMASA LEON MARTINEZ Pedigree
Female

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 25 SEP 1845 San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico

Death:
Burial:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Parents:
Father: FELIS DE LEON Family
Mother: SIMONA MARTINEZ

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

C604641 1839 - 1847 0443680 Film NONE

HIPOLITO LEON MARTINEZ Pedigree
Male

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 19 AUG 1848 San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico

Death:
Burial:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Parents:
Father: FELIZ DE LEON Family
Mother: SIMONA MARTINEZ

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

C604642 1847 - 1851 0443681 Film NONE

Sheet: 00

MARIA LEON MARTINEZ Pedigree
Female

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 10 JUN 1860 Huejucar, Jalisco, Mexico

Death:
Burial:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Parents:
Father: FELIX DE LEON Family
Mother: SIMONA MARTINEZ

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

C606011 1855 - 1863 0445094 Film NONE

Sheet: 00

International Genealogical Index - Mexico

1. MARIA CELEDONIA COVARRUBIAS MONTOYA - International Genealogical Index / ME
Gender: Female Christening: 06 MAR 1836 San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico

2. MARIA MARCOS COVARRUBIAS MONTOYA - International Genealogical Index / ME
Gender: Female Christening: 29 APR 1838 San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico

3. MARIA VICTORIA COVARRUBIAS MONTOYA - International Genealogical Index / ME
Gender: Female Christening: 26 DEC 1847 San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico

4. MARIA JOSEFA COVARRUBIAS MONTOYA - International Genealogical Index / ME
Gender: Female Christening: 06 MAY 1860 San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico

5. PETRA COVARRUBIAS MONTOYA - International Genealogical Index / ME
Gender: Female Christening: 03 JUN 1840 San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico

CATARINO COVARRUBIAS
Pedigree
Male Family

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Marriages:
Spouse: ROSALIA MONTOYA Family
Marriage: 21 JAN 1836 San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico

6. JOSE BERNARDINO COVARRUBIAS MONTOYA - International Genealogical Index / ME
Gender: Male Christening: 23 MAY 1856 Santa Maria De Los Angeles, Jalisco, Mexico

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

M604654 1819 - 1840 0443784 Film NONE

Sheet: 00

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph de Leon
Sent: Jan 3, 2008 2:18 PM
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Pascual de Leon

Can anyone help me with their history?
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Pascual de Leon

Comment

You're correct on the name MONTOYA. I've located some names BUT is there any way you can view the film and locate the parents of Felix de Leon and his wife Simona Martines probably born Abt. 1820 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico and also the parents of Catarino Covarrubias and his wife Rosalia Montoya probably born Abt. 1816 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico ???? Or at least point me in the right direction...do you think that Joseph Puentes might know?
Descendants of Felix de Leon

Descendants of Catarino Covarrubias

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR HELP !!
rosa9972 wrote:

I tried sending this earlier, but it never reached the group.

Rosalinda

-----Forwarded Message-----

Sent: Jan 3, 2008 6:23 PM
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Pascual de Leon

Hi Joseph--

I looked them up at familysearch.org. Rosalia's last name may have been Montoya. I can do a lookup on the Huejucar names; I have some Colotlan films, too, but I can't remember which ones right now.

Rosalinda

Here's what I found--

IGI Individual Record FamilySearchâ¢ International Genealogical Index v5.0
Mexico
Search Results | Download

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

FELIS DE LEON Pedigree
Male Family

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Marriages:
Spouse: SIMONA MARTINEZ Family
Marriage: 15 OCT 1844 San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

M604655 1840 - 1854 0443785 Film NONE

Sheet: 00

MARIA TOMASA LEON MARTINEZ Pedigree
Female

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 25 SEP 1845 San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico

Death:
Burial:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Parents:
Father: FELIS DE LEON Family
Mother: SIMONA MARTINEZ

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

C604641 1839 - 1847 0443680 Film NONE

HIPOLITO LEON MARTINEZ Pedigree
Male

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 19 AUG 1848 San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico

Death:
Burial:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Parents:
Father: FELIZ DE LEON Family
Mother: SIMONA MARTINEZ

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

C604642 1847 - 1851 0443681 Film NONE

Sheet: 00

MARIA LEON MARTINEZ Pedigree
Female

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 10 JUN 1860 Huejucar, Jalisco, Mexico

Death:
Burial:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Parents:
Father: FELIX DE LEON Family
Mother: SIMONA MARTINEZ

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

C606011 1855 - 1863 0445094 Film NONE

Sheet: 00

International Genealogical Index - Mexico

1. MARIA CELEDONIA COVARRUBIAS MONTOYA - International Genealogical Index / ME
Gender: Female Christening: 06 MAR 1836 San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico

2. MARIA MARCOS COVARRUBIAS MONTOYA - International Genealogical Index / ME
Gender: Female Christening: 29 APR 1838 San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico

3. MARIA VICTORIA COVARRUBIAS MONTOYA - International Genealogical Index / ME
Gender: Female Christening: 26 DEC 1847 San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico

4. MARIA JOSEFA COVARRUBIAS MONTOYA - International Genealogical Index / ME
Gender: Female Christening: 06 MAY 1860 San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico

5. PETRA COVARRUBIAS MONTOYA - International Genealogical Index / ME
Gender: Female Christening: 03 JUN 1840 San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico

CATARINO COVARRUBIAS
Pedigree
Male Family

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Marriages:
Spouse: ROSALIA MONTOYA Family
Marriage: 21 JAN 1836 San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico

6. JOSE BERNARDINO COVARRUBIAS MONTOYA - International Genealogical Index / ME
Gender: Male Christening: 23 MAY 1856 Santa Maria De Los Angeles, Jalisco, Mexico

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M604654 1819 - 1840 0443784 Film NONE

Sheet: 00

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph de Leon
Sent: Jan 3, 2008 2:18 PM
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Pascual de Leon

Can anyone help me with their history?

Pascual de Leon

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I can certainly look up the Huejucar records, but my Colotlan films are too early. The only one I have that can answer any of your questions is #0443784, which may have Felix's possible first marriage. However, one of Felix and Simona's children was baptized in Huejucar, so next week I'll look at the film. It should contain the names of Felix's and Simona's parents.

Rosalinda

Pascual de Leon

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I found the record that you mentioned...THANKS! I hope to hear from you soon. In order for me to view it here, it takes about 4-6 weeks after I order it from the local LDS FamilySearch center.

IGI Individual Record FamilySearch International Genealogical Index v5.0 Mexico Search Results | Download
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MARIA LEON MARTINEZ Pedigree Female
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Event(s): Birth: Christening: 10 JUN 1860 Huejucar, Jalisco, Mexico Death: Burial:
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Parents: Father: FELIX DE LEON Family Mother: SIMONA MARTINEZ
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Messages: Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
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Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: C606011 1855 - 1863 0445094 Film NONE Sheet: 00
rosa9972 wrote:

Rosalinda

Villanueva, Quemada y Zacatecas

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researching records

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I just wanted to tell the new members who are new to researching that after 10 years of researching I just did my first record of "hijos naturales." I'd stayed away from them because I felt it was sort of prying.. silly me! I"m working on 0439889 Jerez Zacatecas, hijos naturales and have found lots and lots of children listed as natural when their parents were actually married!

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I've done a lot of research in the Italian births records and have found the some couples continued to have children listed as natuale. I wonder if it is because the parents were married in a civil ceremony but did not marry in the church. I followed the births of one couple for over twenty years. When their oldest daughter got married (both civil and religious), the parents were also married in the church. Notations were made in the margins of all their children that their parents were married in the church and that the children could be considered "recognized" children of the couple.

Candis Carbone
Tacoma, WA
Researching Plazola and Gonzales in San Sebastian del Oreste
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Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 12:06 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] researching records

I've decided not to include these children in the records stops others from finding them regardless of the circumstances of their birth. I also noticed that some are listed in the civil birth registration as father unknown but in the baptism record in "hijos naturales" the father and grandparents are usually listed, a real find. So, my advice is not to neglect any record that might give you the information you need to further your research.

good luck and welcome to all the new members of Nuestros Ranchos
Linda Castanon-Long in Everett

Mineral de Pinos and Mineral de Angeles

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Helo Everyone!

I am trying to find out where two places are.
Mineral de Angeles is one, is this now Noria de Angeles or are they two different places?
The other is Mineral de Pinos. I know it must be in Pinos, Zacatecas, I just want to know where and if it has another name now.

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Mineral de Pinos and Mineral de Angeles

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Yes, I am also researching in Pinos and Los Angeles, now called Noria de los Angeles. They are the same place.
Noria de los Angeles is (kinda a part of Pinos) Yes and no. It's annexed to Pinos, but Loas Angeles still has a city city status not really, Its hard to explain. It happened in the 1780's. What are your surnames there? Mine are Camino, Oviedo, Gallegos, Blanco, Cordova. I only know the most from the Camino side and the Oviedo.
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Hello Daniel,

It is my Great Great Grandfather, Eligio Davila Araiza, son of Cornelio Davila and Maria del Rosario Araiza. In the marriage document from Ojuelos de Jalisco, Jalisco when he married my Great Great grandmother in 1834, it states that he has only lived in El Sitio for 11 years and that he comes from Mineral de Angeles. By his marriage he was born in 1814, but I can't find anything. Im still new to all this research and I'm certain I'm missing out on ways to find more info for lack of knowledge.

Thank you!
Sofia Martinez > Yes, I am also researching in Pinos and Los Angeles, now called Noria de los Angeles. They are the same place.> Noria de los Angeles is (kinda a part of Pinos) Yes and no. It's annexed to Pinos, but Loas Angeles still has a city city status not really, Its hard to explain. It happened in the 1780's. What are your surnames there? Mine are Camino, Oviedo, Gallegos, Blanco, Cordova. I only know the most from the Camino side and the Oviedo. > -Daniel Mendez del Camino> _________________________________________________________________> Make distant family not so distant with Windows Vista® + Windows Live™.> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/digitallife/keepintouch.mspx?ocid=TXT_…; -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Sorry, I forgot to take out the previous message in my email like Arturo says.............

Rancho Calderón somewhere between Zapotlanejo and Tepatitlán Mexico

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When I was very young (1940-50's) I spent time with my family in Jalisco on Rancho Calderón, which is reached by following the road between Zapotlanejo and Tepatitlán and leaving it about halfway, to reach the rancho which was pretty far from the highway. Rancho Calderón was in the Valle de Calderón and the adobe structures were quite ancient. I think I remember hearing that the main hacienda was built in the 1600's or 1700's. It was owned by the Romo (de Vivar) family but purchased in the early 20th century by Salvador Padilla. Salvador Padilla had married María Guadalupe "Lupe" Romo and purchased the failing rancho to "keep it in the family." Salvador and Lupe were probably born shortly after the turn of the century, since Lupe is still alive and in her late 90's. She was the daughter of Luis Romo (de Vivar), one of the sons of my GGGF José de los Santos Romo (de Vivar). I have no idea whether it was he or one of his sons who owned the rancho. In a sad turn of affairs, the

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Rancho Calderon

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John:

Rancho Calderon is listed in the Diccionario Geografico Historio y Bibliografico de Mexico. You can find the link in under the Geography section in the LINKS section of the site. It is listed under "Calderon." Unfortunately, it has very little information, simply stating at it is an hacienda in the municipality of Zapotlanejo in the first Canton (Guadalajara) of the state of Jalisco. The dictionary was published in 1870-1874.

There is an atlas published by the same man around the same time in which you might be able to find the rancho. You can find that atlas at the David Rumsey collection which is also in the links section under "Digital Map Collections" in the Geography Section.

Rancho Calderon

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Hola Arturo Ramos, yo también tengo ancestros en el rancho de Calderón. El rancho se encuentra entre Zapotlanejo y Tepatitlán, Jalisco. No se si has escuchado en la historia de la Independencia de México se dice de la batalla del puente de Calderón, pues en ese rancho fue la batalla, todavía se encuentra el puente donde se libró dicha batalla.

Saludos.(*< jOrGe >*)> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> From: arturo.ramos2@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 03:49:38 -0800> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Rancho Calderon> > > John:> > Rancho Calderon is listed in the Diccionario Geografico Historio y Bibliografico de Mexico. You can find the link in under the Geography section in the LINKS section of the site. It is listed under "Calderon." Unfortunately, it has very little information, simply stating at it is an hacienda in the municipality of Zapotlanejo in the first Canton (Guadalajara) of the state of Jalisco. The dictionary was published in 1870-1874.> > There is an atlas published by the same man around the same time in which you might be able to find the rancho. You can find that atlas at the David Rumsey collection which is also in the links section under "Digital Map Collections" in the Geography Section.> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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¡Holá Jorge Luis!

Me dicen mis primos que la hacienda del Rancho Calderón ya se encuentra al
fondo de un lago artificial formado por la nueva Presa Calderón a través del
Riachuelo Calderón. Acabo de leer la historia de la batalla famosa del
Puente de Calderón, pero no sabía que dicha puente se encontraba en el
rancho de mis tíos. ¡Muy interesante! Me imagino que la hubiera conocido
durante mis visitas con la familia Padilla, pero ya no lo recuerdo.

¿Tus ancestros en el rancho fueron Romos? ¿O Padillas? ¿O dueños
anteriores?

Karr Wolfe Romo

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[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Jorge Luis
Ramírez Gómez
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 8:29 AM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Rancho Calderon

Hola Arturo Ramos, yo también tengo ancestros en el rancho de Calderón. El
rancho se encuentra entre Zapotlanejo y Tepatitlán, Jalisco. No se si has
escuchado en la historia de la Independencia de México se dice de la batalla
del puente de Calderón, pues en ese rancho fue la batalla, todavía se
encuentra el puente donde se libró dicha batalla.

Rancho Calderon

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Mira Karr, mis ancestros del rancho de Calderón eran Gutiérrez y González, pero no he podido seguirles la línea. Además no se si eran dueños, casi no se nada de ellos. Al poco tiempo un hijo de estos ancestros se fueron a vivir otro rancho llamado La Mina.

Saludos.
Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.

(*< jOrGe >*)> From: karrwolfe@comcast.net> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 15:20:38 -0600> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Rancho Calderon> > ¡Holá Jorge Luis!> > > > Me dicen mis primos que la hacienda del Rancho Calderón ya se encuentra al> fondo de un lago artificial formado por la nueva Presa Calderón a través del> Riachuelo Calderón. Acabo de leer la historia de la batalla famosa del> Puente de Calderón, pero no sabía que dicha puente se encontraba en el> rancho de mis tíos. ¡Muy interesante! Me imagino que la hubiera conocido> durante mis visitas con la familia Padilla, pero ya no lo recuerdo.> > > > ¿Tus ancestros en el rancho fueron Romos? ¿O Padillas? ¿O dueños> anteriores?> > > > Karr Wolfe Romo> > > > -----Original Message-----> From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> [mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Jorge Luis> Ramírez Gómez> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 8:29 AM> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Rancho Calderon> > > > > > Hola Arturo Ramos, yo también tengo ancestros en el rancho de Calderón. El> rancho se encuentra entre Zapotlanejo y Tepatitlán, Jalisco. No se si has> escuchado en la historia de la Independencia de México se dice de la batalla> del puente de Calderón, pues en ese rancho fue la batalla, todavía se> encuentra el puente donde se libró dicha batalla.> > > > Saludos.(*< jOrGe >*)> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> From:> arturo.ramos2@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 03:49:38 -0800> Subject:> [Nuestros Ranchos] Rancho Calderon> > > John:> > Rancho Calderon is listed> in the Diccionario Geografico Historio y Bibliografico de Mexico. You can> find the link in under the Geography section in the LINKS section of the> site. It is listed under "Calderon." Unfortunately, it has very little> information, simply stating at it is an hacienda in the municipality of> Zapotlanejo in the first Canton (Guadalajara) of the state of Jalisco. The> dictionary was published in 1870-1874.> > There is an atlas published by the> same man around the same time in which you might be able to find the rancho.> You can find that atlas at the David Rumsey collection which is also in the> links section under "Digital Map Collections" in the Geography Section.> --> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing> List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To> change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> > _________________________________________________________________> > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE!> > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > > > To post, send email to:> > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > > > To change your subscription, log on to:> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Pues, Jorge Luis, quizás te podré ayudar un poquito.

Don Salvador PADILLA compró el Rancho Calderón de la familia ROMO. Don
Salvador se había casado con María Guadalupe ROMO (n. 1911), hija del médico
Doctor Luis ROMO (n. 1875) y María Guadalupe GUTIÉRREZ (n. 1879). Durante
los años de la Revolución (1910-1920), los dueños del rancho decidieron
vender el rancho. Don Salvador quizo mantener la hacienda "en la familia" y
la compró para su esposa. Dr. Luis continuo practicando la medicina en
Guadalajara. María Guadalupe Romo GUTIÉRREZ murió en el año 1987 en
Guadalajara. Su hija, María Guadalupe PADILLA Romo, vive en México.

Supongo que Don Luis era el dueño del rancho al tiempo de la venta, pero no
he podido verificarlo. ¿Sería posible que tus ancestros decendieron de la
misma familia Gutiérrez?

Hay otra posibilidad: yo se que también habían aparceros en el rancho al
tiempo de la venta. Unos de ellos podría ser tu ancestro.

Karr

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From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Jorge Luis
Ramírez Gómez
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 8:55 AM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Rancho Calderon

Mira Karr, mis ancestros del rancho de Calderón eran Gutiérrez y González,
pero no he podido seguirles la línea. Además no se si eran dueños, casi no
se nada de ellos. Al poco tiempo un hijo de estos ancestros se fueron a
vivir otro rancho llamado La Mina.

Saludos.

Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.

(*< jOrGe >*)> From: karrwolfe@comcast.net> To:
research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 15:20:38 -0600> Subject:
Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Rancho Calderon> > ¡Holá Jorge Luis!> > > > Me dicen
mis primos que la hacienda del Rancho Calderón ya se encuentra al> fondo de
un lago artificial formado por la nueva Presa Calderón a través del>
Riachuelo Calderón. Acabo de leer la historia de la batalla famosa del>
Puente de Calderón, pero no sabía que dicha puente se encontraba en el>
rancho de mis tíos. ¡Muy interesante! Me imagino que la hubiera conocido>
durante mis visitas con la familia Padilla, pero ya no lo recuerdo.> > > >
¿Tus ancestros en el rancho fueron Romos? ¿O Padillas? ¿O dueños>
anteriores?> > > > Karr Wolfe Romo> > > > -----Original Message-----> From:
research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org>
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Jorge Luis>
Ramírez Gómez> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 8:29 AM> To:
research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Rancho
Calderon> > > > > > Hola Arturo Ramos, yo también tengo ancestros en el
rancho de Calderón. El> rancho se encuentra entre Zapotlanejo y Tepatitlán,
Jalisco. No se si has> escuchado en la historia de la Independencia de
México se dice de la batalla> del puente de Calderón, pues en ese rancho fue
la batalla, todavía se> encuentra el puente donde se libró dicha batalla.> >
> > Saludos.(*< jOrGe >*)> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> From:>
arturo.ramos2@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 03:49:38 -0800> Subject:>
[Nuestros Ranchos] Rancho Calderon> > > John:> > Rancho Calderon is listed>
in the Diccionario Geografico Historio y Bibliografico de Mexico. You can>
find the link in under the Geography section in the LINKS section of the>
site. It is listed under "Calderon." Unfortunately, it has very little>
information, simply stating at it is an hacienda in the municipality of>
Zapotlanejo in the first Canton (Guadalajara) of the state of Jalisco. The>
dictionary was published in 1870-1874.> > There is an atlas published by
the> same man around the same time in which you might be able to find the
rancho.> You can find that atlas at the David Rumsey collection which is
also in the> links section under "Digital Map Collections" in the Geography
Section.> --> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos
Research Mailing> List> > To post, send email to:>
research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To> change your subscription, log on to:>
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Hola quisiera saber si tienen la informacion de los hijos de Maria Guadalupe Romo Gutierrez aparte de su hija del mismo nombre, ya que quiero constatar una informacion que yo tengo.
Saben si tuvo una hija llamada Ana Maria Padilla casada con el actor de cine Roberto Cañedo?
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¡Holá! Qué lástima que tengo que avisarte que mi tía María Guadalupe Romo
Gutiérrez y su esposo Dr. Luis Romo (de Vivar) Pedroza tenían solamente dos
hijas, y ninguna se llamaba Ana María: la hija María Guadalupe Vda. de
Padilla vive en Mexico con su hija del mismo nombre, y la otra hija,
Clotilde, ya murió (?año).

Karr Wolfe Romo

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Rancho Calderon, Jalisco

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Thank you so much for the hints! It is very helpful to know that the Rancho
Calderón existed in the 1870's. I think I have roughly located the original
site of the hacienda--now at the bottom of the artificial lake formed by the
Presa Calderón just outside of Zatpotlanejo. Maybe I can scrape up a
long-lost Mexican relative and start tracing the ownership of the hacienda.
Most of my Mexican relatives came from that regionEncarnación, Ocotlán
(where my mother and her grandfather were born), Tepatitlán (where her
father was born), and Guadalajara.

I found the atlas you mentioned. Interesting! The older maps had
Tepatitlán southeast of Zapotlanejo, and it is actually northeast. Also,
the whole area, including the new lake and the city of Zabpotlanejo, is now
in the Region of Acatic. Im beginning to get the hang of this
overlapping of regions, and the changing boundaries, but it makes things
pretty confusing.

I did some interesting reading about the famous battle at the Bridge over
the Río Calderón, where the Royalists routed Hidalgos army in 1810 and
delayed Mexican independence for 10 more years. It took place not far from
my familys hacienda.

Thanks again for the help.

Karr Wolfe

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From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of arturoramos
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 5:50 AM
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Rancho Calderon

John:

Rancho Calderon is listed in the Diccionario Geografico Historio y
Bibliografico de Mexico. You can find the link in under the Geography
section in the LINKS section of the site. It is listed under "Calderon."
Unfortunately, it has very little information, simply stating at it is an
hacienda in the municipality of Zapotlanejo in the first Canton
(Guadalajara) of the state of Jalisco. The dictionary was published in
1870-1874.

There is an atlas published by the same man around the same time in which
you might be able to find the rancho. You can find that atlas at the David
Rumsey collection which is also in the links section under "Digital Map
Collections" in the Geography Section.

Rancho Calderon, Jalisco

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Let me get to my sofa and call you. On way back from doc :-)

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-----Original Message-----
From: "Karr"

Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 14:38:59
To:
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Rancho Calderon, Jalisco

Thank you so much for the hints! It is very helpful to know that the Rancho
Calderón existed in the 1870's. I think I have roughly located the original
site of the hacienda--now at the bottom of the artificial lake formed by the
Presa Calderón just outside of Zatpotlanejo. Maybe I can scrape up a
long-lost Mexican relative and start tracing the ownership of the hacienda.
Most of my Mexican relatives came from that region—Encarnación, Ocotlán
(where my mother and her grandfather were born), Tepatitlán (where her
father was born), and Guadalajara.

I found the atlas you mentioned. Interesting! The older maps had
Tepatitlán southeast of Zapotlanejo, and it is actually northeast. Also,
the whole area, including the new lake and the city of Zabpotlanejo, is now
in the “Region of Acatic.” I’m beginning to get the hang of this
overlapping of regions, and the changing boundaries, but it makes things
pretty confusing.

I did some interesting reading about the famous battle at the Bridge over
the Río Calderón, where the Royalists routed Hidalgo’s army in 1810 and
delayed Mexican independence for 10 more years. It took place not far from
my family’s hacienda.

Thanks again for the help.

Karr Wolfe

John:

Rancho Calderon is listed in the Diccionario Geografico Historio y
Bibliografico de Mexico. You can find the link in under the Geography
section in the LINKS section of the site. It is listed under "Calderon."
Unfortunately, it has very little information, simply stating at it is an
hacienda in the municipality of Zapotlanejo in the first Canton
(Guadalajara) of the state of Jalisco. The dictionary was published in
1870-1874.

There is an atlas published by the same man around the same time in which
you might be able to find the rancho. You can find that atlas at the David
Rumsey collection which is also in the links section under "Digital Map
Collections" in the Geography Section.

Rancho Calderon, Jalisco

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Sorry guys responded to an incorrect e-mail!! :-)

Just in case you are wondering... Am on treatment for herniated discs :-)

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Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 20:43:56
To:research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Rancho Calderon, Jalisco

Let me get to my sofa and call you. On way back from doc :-)

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-----Original Message-----
From: "Karr"

Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 14:38:59
To:
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Rancho Calderon, Jalisco

Thank you so much for the hints! It is very helpful to know that the Rancho
Calderón existed in the 1870's. I think I have roughly located the original
site of the hacienda--now at the bottom of the artificial lake formed by the
Presa Calderón just outside of Zatpotlanejo. Maybe I can scrape up a
long-lost Mexican relative and start tracing the ownership of the hacienda.
Most of my Mexican relatives came from that region—Encarnación, Ocotlán
(where my mother and her grandfather were born), Tepatitlán (where her
father was born), and Guadalajara.

I found the atlas you mentioned. Interesting! The older maps had
Tepatitlán southeast of Zapotlanejo, and it is actually northeast. Also,
the whole area, including the new lake and the city of Zabpotlanejo, is now
in the “Region of Acatic.” I’m beginning to get the hang of this
overlapping of regions, and the changing boundaries, but it makes things
pretty confusing.

Thanks again for the help.

Karr Wolfe

John:

Rancho Calderon is listed in the Diccionario Geografico Historio y
Bibliografico de Mexico. You can find the link in under the Geography
section in the LINKS section of the site. It is listed under "Calderon."
Unfortunately, it has very little information, simply stating at it is an
hacienda in the municipality of Zapotlanejo in the first Canton
(Guadalajara) of the state of Jalisco. The dictionary was published in
1870-1874.

There is an atlas published by the same man around the same time in which
you might be able to find the rancho. You can find that atlas at the David
Rumsey collection which is also in the links section under "Digital Map
Collections" in the Geography Section.

Please Trim Your Messages

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(Espanol sigue abajo)

I know this is an often repeated announcement around here, but since we have so many new members and the activity on the list has heated up, I figured I should repeat it.

Please, please trim your messages. When you reply to a posting via email, if you have your email set to include the message to which you are replying as part of the message, delete all but that part of the message which is necessary to provide context. Often nothing is necessary other than an appropriate subject for the reply message. When replies get posted online, they get posted along with the messages to which they are responding, so there is no need to repeat text. Such repetition makes the message very, very illegible.

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That's a big 10-4 !

Jose Carlos de Leon

Familia Bueno en Tlaltenango y Colotlan

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If anybody has any Bueno or Lopez Bueno ancestors in Tlaltenango or Colotlan in the late 1600s or early 1700s I would greatly appreciate sharing any information you have.

I am stuck on a couple of lineages that I suspect are related but have very sparse data on both of them:

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Re: Familia Bueno en Tlaltenango y Colotlan

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Hey Arturo,
I basically have the same information that you do for Diego Lopez... But I have included it below just in case it helps.

1 Diego Lopez
* Sebastiana Arias
2 Antonio Lopez Arias (ch. 6 Nov 1696 in Jerez, zac)
* Antonia De Avila
3 Antonio Joseph Bueno Avila (ch. 7 Sep 1718 in Tlaltenango, Zac)
* Maria Efixenia De La O (ma. 27 Jun 1740 in Tlaltenango, Zac)
3 Maria Lucia Lopes
* Juan Anttonio De Campos (ma. 25 Aug 1746 in Tlaltenango, Zac)
3 Vicente Ferrer Bueno Davila (ch. 19 Nov 1731 in Tlaltenango, Zac)
2 Luis Lopez De Arias (ch. 12 Sep 1698 in Jerez, Zac)

I will take a look at my notes and see if I have any information on the family of Feliciana Lopez.

Talk to you later,
Angie Godina

My Introduction

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Hello everyone! My name is Joshua Goodson, grandson of Francisco Romo Villanueva. He was born 21 Apr 1923 in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico. He was married to Marcellina Ribeiro. I know he had at least two sisters, two brothers, and a nephew that are also from Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico and one of the sisters lived with her husband in Leon, GTO, Mexico. I am not sure if they are still living so I did not include their names. I do not even know the names of my great-grandparents. Most of what I know is from the writing on the back of photos that belonged to my grandfather, most of them dated in the 1950's, and little bits of information my mother could remember. I do not know anything about my family and am finding it very difficult to find any information about them. If anyone know any information or how I can get started, please let me know.

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I am Raquel Ruiz. I have been researching my family story and ancestral roots
for almost 20 years now, although never spending as much time as I would like.
I research all four of my Mexican grandparent's lineages. Each is from a
different state. I have been most fortunate in my Ruiz-line research since
they have almost exclusively resided in only two parishes, Yahualica and
Cuquio, Jalisco. My ancestral Ruiz surnames thus far include Rubalcaba,
Perez, Lisarde, Limon, Quesada, Jauregui, Lopez, Delgadillo, Gomes, Rodriguez,
Casillas, Placencia and Garcia. The last seven are all from the town of
Soledad, while the others are primarily from Yahualica. I have a few families
of Ledesma and Gallo by way of alternate marriages.

My grandfather, Manuel Ruiz, was born in Cuquio. It is through his maternal
lineage that he is related to Agustin Yanez, (politician and author),his
second cousin, five years his junior. It was to Cuquio that my grandfather
took his wife and American-born children to live in 1945. My grandmother, a
native of Durango, died there a few months later. I accompanied my father and
two of his siblings to her gravesite and to Guadalajara in 1993, my father's
first return there after they had returned to the US 45 years earlier. As a
result of my research, on a subsequent visit we traveled to Yahualica.

A displaced Californian, I live in Massachusetts and actually do my research
at an LDS church in New Hampshire. I don't know anyone else that reseaches
their Mexican roots so was/am excited to come across this group. As soon as I
figure out how to partition out my Ruiz info from my paf file, I'll post my
info. Any suggestions?

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Partitioning your PAF File

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Raquel:

There are two ways you can partition out your PAF file in a manner that would be appropriate for submission to your folder:

From the "Print Reports" menu item (the little printer icon) and then clicking the "Books" tab, you can print out an Ahenetafel report directly from PAF showing your relevant grandfather's ancestors. This also eliminates (I presume) all living people that might be in that PAF file. You can then print out the report to a RTF or preferably a PDF file and submit that file.

You can create a GEDCOM of your grandfather's ancestors using the "Export" menu item (the little disk with an out arrow). Click "Other GEDCOM" then select "Partial" under the "Filter" option. Click the "Select" button on the lower right and then find your relevant grandparent and select "All ancestral related" under the "Relationship Filter" option and then the "Select" button. Then Click "OK" and finally the "Export" button. We can then upload the GEDCOM to our GEDCOM database which other members can search.

looking for the CARLOS family tree in Zacatecas

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Can anyone help me? I'm looking for info from my mother's ancestors (Maria Carlos) who were/are from Zacatecas, Zacatecas. I've managed to trace her ancestors to my GGGGF Eugenio Carlos born about 1775.

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looking for the CARLOS family tree in Zacatecas

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There may be a chance that your Carlos Surname could have
been Carlos de Godoy?
Just my educated guess. -Daniel Mendez del Camino
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Carlos de Godoy

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No, I don't think so.

Carlos de Godoy

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I've been studying the christening records from the late 1600's and early 1700's and found that in every instance the father's surname CARLOS DE GODOY ( or DE GODOI ) passes on to the child as only CARLOS. I speculate that, since it's common practice in Mexico to use your mother's surname last, perhaps DE GODOY or DE GODOI was the mother's surname. It's worth checking into, I think.
I found the film records for Jerez, Zavatecas.
dreamwalker wrote:

No, I don't think so.

Carlos de Godoy in Jerez

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Joseph:

The name "Carlos de Godoy" in Western Mexico is what is called a composed name. There were clearly people with this name as early as the late 1500s in Sinaloa and the Juan Carlos de Godoy who is the progenitor of the surnames Carlos and Godoy in Jerez was likely related to these earlier Carlos de Godoys from Sinaloa, though those of us looking into this have no definitely proof.

The name Carlos de Godoy was likely composed in Mexico as there do not appear to be any early passenger records of anybody with this name, but there were a number of Godoys among the early settlers and conquistadores of Nueva Galicia. In that early time, the standard surname custom used in Mexico today (paternal surname followed by maternal surname) was in no way a convention. Often children would take the mother's surname, often the father's and even sometimes a grandparent's name not used by either of their parents. Depended on many factors, i.e. importance of mother's family vs. father's family, need to propogate a name in a family, namesakes, i.e. a child being named for a grandparent (including the surname).

In some cases, where both parents' families were important, a name would become composed with both parents names being used, which is likely what happened in this case. Often the names were written simply as Carlos because priests unfamiliar with the full name dropped the second half. The IGI and VRI databases online often have incorrect or incomplete transcriptions where the transcriber leaves out part of the surname (perhaps assuming it is a maternal surname).

Later, (particularly after Independence) such composed surnames were very much associated with Spanish families which had become persona non grata and so people dropped parts of their surnames to "normalize" them and perhaps be less conspicous, so some Carlos de Godoy became Carlos and some became Godoy.

Do you have any idea as to the location where Eugenio was born or what year he and Michaela Garcia were married?

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