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hola
alguien me puede ayudar?
por una de mis lineas de mi arbol
el ultimo romo que tengo registrado es
a diego romo de vivar con juana maria ruiz de esparza en mi arbol
no eh podido encontrar su matrimonio ,el hijo mas antiguo
que encontre data del año 1720 en aguascalientes supongo que
diego y juana maria se casaron antes de 1720 en aguascalientes.

encontre un matrimonio que es el siguientes:
diago de chaves con juana ruiz de esparza casado en 1716 en aguascalientes
el es hijo legitimo de nicolas de chaves y antonia de villalobos
no eh encontrado registros si exitio un diego de cahves con juana ruiz de esparza
ni bautismos ni defuncion e hijos .

supogamos si cambiamos el apellido chaves por el de romo encontro un matrimonio de:
nicolas romo de vivar con maria lopez de la cruz villalobos casaron en 1684 en aguascalientes padres supuesto de diego romo de vivar casado con juana maria ruiz esparza.

la pregunta sera las mismas personas ?
comparacion:

diego romo de vivar con diego de chaves con
juana maria ruiz esparza juana maria ruiz esparza
matrimonio antes de 1720 matrimonio en 1716 aguascalientes
aguascalientes

para mi criterio diria que son las mismas personas
pero necesitos opiniones
se los agradezco mucho
saludos
que tenga un bonito dia
bye

Hello, Everyone!

Can someone give information or contacts with people doing research on the Tamez/Tames families from Nuevo Leon?
I understand some books about the last name have been published but cannot locate any of them. Can anyone point me in the right direction here as I have no publisher or name of authors but have only heard about the books existing.

Also, does anyone know for sure the origin of the last name? So far all I have found says its either Jewish or Arabic.

Hoping to get a response,

Elvira

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Busco information de la Familia de Santo Pedro Esqueda Ramires, Nacido en San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco y Santo de la guerra de los Cristeros.

I am seeking any information on the family of Padre Pedro Esqueda Ramires, a defender of the Catholic Church durring the Cristero Wars of Los Altos 1926-1929. Here is the information I have on him. Born 29 of April, 1887, San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco. Parents Margarito Esqueda y Nicanora Ramires. Abuelos Paternos Apolonio Esqueda y Merced Hernandez. Abuelos Maternos Juan Ramirez y Luisa Flores.

tengo detenida mi genealogia por este nombre bauitizo a una hija Feliciana de alva esposa tranquila barrera nacio en 1793 pero no he encontrado mas informacion aclaro que la fecha aqui puesta es de feliciana de alva, acerca de rafael de alva no he encontrado nada mas...

hola
alguien sabe quienes son los padres de juan masias esposo de juana saldaña?
juan masias fallecio en 1681 aguascalientes
hay publicaciones donde mencionan que los padres de juan masias son:
gaspar masias valdes y beatriz perez.

pero encontre el matrimonio de un gaspar masias valades con mariana de torres
el 26 y 29 de mayo 1612 en aguascalientes pero no mencionan a los padres.

Hijos de gaspar masias valades y mariana de torres:
maria masias tabera baut 27 enero 1620 aguascalientes
hija legitima de gaspar masias valades y mariana de tabera y torres

Encontre otros matrimonios que pudieran ser hermanos de mariana torres tabera:

agueda tabera y torres casada gernardo de valdilucia en 26 enero 1622 ags
ella hija de nicolas ramirez y polonia de torres.

maria de tabera y felipe masias valadez casada el 1 julio 1618 ags
ella hija de nicolas ramirez y polonia de torres.

la pregunta es : juan masias valades es hijo de gaspar masias valadez y mariana de torres?
beatris peres era la 2 mujer de gaspar masias valadez ?
ya que mariana de torres fallecio en 30 marzo 1622 en aguascalientes.
existe algun documento donde se menciona los padres de juan masias valadez?
y si es asi que son su padres gaspar y mariana torres entonces mariana de torres tabera es hija de nicolas ramirez y polonia torres ?
espero me pudieran ayudar
se los agradeceria mucho
saludos
que tengan un buen dia
bye

I believe I have found one of my GGGrandfathers but I cannot read the document.
Could someone please translate for me. I would certainly appreciate it.
Thank you so much.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18685-21644-31?cc=1874591&wc…

holaa
alguien sabe del contenido del testamento de ana dominguez
casada con el capitan pedro alonso de los inojos matrimonio el 3 mayo 1620
en sierra de pinos?
en el registro de defuncion de ana dominguez fallecio el 1675 aguascalientes
dice que dejo testamento y dejo de albacea a nicolas de palos su hierno y a
pedro alonso de los inojos su hijo.
saludos
bye

Hello,
I have found the marriage record for my 4th Great Grandfather, Jose (Baptism name is Joseph) Maria Roman and his wife Ygnacia de Orosco. I am getting a tad bit better with reading baptism records but marriage records are a whole new world. If I am understanding this correctly, it says that his parents, father-Bernardo, and mother Ysavel is deceased by the time of this marriage, or just his mother is. And that Jose is from San Juan?
I do not understand much on this record and any help will help a great deal.

Thank you so very much in advance!

Here is the link to family search. The entry is on the bottom of the left page and it carries up to the top of the right page.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15058-9700-37?cc=1804458&wc=…

There is a person who does not where his father was from in Mexico. All he
knows is his name, date of birth and that he was in the Mexican Army in the
early 1900's. How does one search Mexican military records in a case such as
this?

I'll forward all info to this person.

Joseph

Joseph Puentes

Clean@h2opodcast.com

http://h2opodcast.com

I am looking for other people with the surnames of Macias and Guerra with or without documentation to take a Y-DNA 37 marker test in order to find matches. I have learned I descend from Alonso Guerra Valadez the son of Mateo Macías Valadez according to documentation. Y-DNA matches can help us prove lineages.

This is very exciting, so I hope some of you may be interested. Feel free to email if you have any questions.

Hector Guerra

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Hello,
I need help in finding my great grandparents Gabriel Torres and Maria Jacova Guerra. My grandfather Santiago Torres always said he was from Matanzas, Jalisco. After much research I was able to find his baptismal record in Lagos de Moreno baptismal records. The record says that his parents, Gabriel Torres and Maria Jacova Guerra were residents of Rancho Nuevo, Jalisco and that they registered his birth in the Hacienda Cienega de Mata. (See bap. record translation below)
Isn't Rancho Nuevo close to Teocaltiche? If yes, then why would they have baptised him in Lagos de Moreno?

I have tried searching for his parents birth records based on their reported ages in family search but haven't been successful. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what municipalities I can search? Any other suggestions? I have hit a brick wall with my grandfather's side of the family.

Thank you, Arlene Torres

Baptismal Record:
Paleographic Transcription
[English Translation]

[From Margin:]
number 283
two hundred eighty-three Santiago Torres
Rancho Nuevo

[From the Center:]
In the Hacienda Cienega de Mata in July 29 of 1899 (one
thousand eight hundred and ninety-nine) at noon in the
presence of undersigned Political Commissar, appeared
the Citizen Gabriel Torres, field laborer of thirty years old,
resident of Rancho Nuevo, civilly and canonically married
with Maria Jacova Guerra of thirty-two years old
[showing] [sic] his son Santiago, who was born in twenty-
fifth day of the current month at eleven at night.= Were
witnesses of this written record, the Cititzens Camilo
Gonzalez, and Juan Rangel, both majors old, married,
field laborers of the same neighborhood. they agree this
written record which was read to them, and they not
signed by not knowing.- Is copy that I certify.= Cienega,
July 29, 1899. the Political Commissar. Basillio Lopez de
Nava

Hola un saludos a todos y mi reconocimiento a los administradores de tan importante, interesante y útil sitio.
Quisiera saber si alguien tiene un documento dónde se establezca la relación clara, concisa y verídica de :
Personaje: Manuel González de Hermosillo casado ( 7 feb 1712 Aguascalientes )con Catalina Romo de Vivar.
Con sus supuestos padres Juan González de Hermosillo Muñoz de Nava y Antonia Alvarez Tostado de Luna.
y sus hermanos Gonzalez de Hermosillo Alvarez Luna
Gertrudis (5 Mayo 1675) Teocaltiche
Joseph (26 oct 1679) Teocaltiche
Antonia (13 Junio 1682) Teocaltiche
Diego ( 14 Jul 1684) Teocaltiche
Mil Gracias
J. Gonzalez LP

It took me a long time to find this marriage record in the middle of the Baptism records.
Now, can someone please help me determine the names of their parents?

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11824-50852-3?cc=1502404&w…

Hernando, natural de mer...co (abv.?)con Juana Macias, natural de los gallos (sp?)
hija de Felipe Macias, etc.

Thank you in advance,
Roy

Ramon,
I have a friend who has ordered microfilm from the US from AGI. If you email
me at scardozasw@gmail.com, I will put you in touch with her for directions
as to how to order the microfilm. The method of payment is a deposit from
your bank to the bank at AGI in the amount of Euros they instruct you to
send.
Stella Cardoza

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Today's Topics:

1. FW: Archivo General de Indias. (AGI) (Joseph Puentes)
2. Re: Marriage record: (rvr_jr@msn.com)
3. gaspar masias y beatriz perez (edgar_eemo@hotmail.com)

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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 20:00:21 -0400
From: "Joseph Puentes"
To:
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] FW: Archivo General de Indias. (AGI)
Message-ID: <01a501ce656d$80070f30$80152d90$@rr.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Can someone help with this question below:

From: R Sainz [mailto:rsainzmex@yahoo.com.mx]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 1:02 PM
To: Joseph Puentes
Subject: Archivo General de Indias. (AGI)

Estimado Joseph: (In English below)

Primeramente saludandote y quisiera ver si puedes ayudarme en mi busqueda,
si me puedes decir o orientar, en COMO PEDIR un documento microfilmado en el
?Archivo General de Indias?.

Busco dos censos:

Lagos- Jalisco- Mexico- 1669- AGI Guadalajara 543

Lagos- Jalisco- Mexico- 167S6- AGI Guadalajara 543

CREO que esta aqu?:

http://censoarchivos.mcu.es/CensoGuia/fondoDetailSession.htm?archivoId=…

&id=980116&eventDescendiente=descendienteDetail

Tu escribiste algo al respecto en:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/archives/2003h2/msg00199.html

He encontrado en la pagina del AGI diversos servicios, como duplicado de
Microfilm, pero no se si pueda pagar desde Mexico y que me lo manden
digitalmente estos dos documentos (Censos).

O si tu no tienes conocimiento de c?mo hacer este proceso, si conoces a
alguna persona que me pueda ayudar. Agradezco mucho tu apoyo.

Saludos desde san Luis Potosi, S.L.P. Mx.

Ramon Baez.

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Dear Joseph:

First of all: greeting you, and I would like to see if you can help me in my
search, if you can say or guidance, in a document microfilming ORDERING in
the "Archivo General de Indias".

Seeking two censuses:

Lagos-Jalisco-Mexico-1669 - AGI Guadalajara 543
Lagos-Jalisco-Mexico-Guadalajara 167S6-AGI 543 I THINK it is here:
http://censoarchivos.mcu.es/CensoGuia/fondoDetailSession.htm?archivoId=…

&id=980116&eventDescendiente=descendienteDetail
You wrote something about it:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/archives/2003h2/msg00199.html

I found on the website of AGI various services such as Microfilm duplicate,
but not if you can afford from Mexico and digitally send me these two
documents (Census).

Or if you have no knowledge of how to do this process, if you know someone
who can help me. I appreciate your support.

Greetings from San Luis Potosi, S.L.P. Mx.

Ramon Baez.

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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 22:45:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: rvr_jr@msn.com
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Marriage record:
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Jaime,
Thanks...Juan Macias has been added to my tree as a 9th GG Uncle.
However, I read him as married to Juana Mendez.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11824-52365-3?cc=1502404&w…
K-S5T:n921599493

I had posted the following on February 24, 2012 -

"I also descend from Espitia/Aspitia. I finally understand why my ancestors
used so many surnames. Nicolás Macias Espitia and Ana Muñoz had children in
Lagos de Moreno between 1645 and 1664. Sometimes they used the surname
Torres. After looking at records in Aguascalientes I see Hernando de Torres
Espitia married Juana Vásquez Macias alias Juana Vásquez de Retamosa 11 Jan
1615 in Aguascalientes film 299421. This makes me think that my ancestor
was their son Nicolás Torres Vásquez baptized 2 May 1622 film 299421."

The following is an email I had sitting in my drafts for more than a year
but edited today -

I have been looking at the marriage record of Hernando de Torres and Juana
Vasquez Macias, alias Juana Vásquez de Retamosa, and the baptisms of their
children. Most of the padrinos and testigos are from the Macías Valadez
family and the Ramirez de Tavera y de la Torre family. This makes me think
the father of Juana Vásquez Macias was the Felipe Macias Valadez that
married María Tavera, the daughter of Nicolás Ramirez de Tavera and
Apolonia de la Torre, on 1 July 1618. Since Juana married in 1615 it means
that the mother of Juana was someone other than María Tavera. However it
seems the Ramírez de Tavera y de la Torre family

For the wedding Francisco Macías, who I believe to be was the husband of
Jacinta de Ortega and many think to be the son of Alonso Macías Valadez and
María de Retamosa, as a testigo. For the velación the padrinos were Gaspar
Macías and Mariana Torres, the daughter of Nicolás Ramirez de Tavera and
Apolonia de la Torre and sister of María Tavera. (Gaspar Macías is thought
to be a son of Alonso Macías Valadez and María de Retamosa. In which case
he would be a brother of Felipe Macías Valadez the husband of María Tavera)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11824-50852-3?cc=1410092&w…

For the baptism of Magdalena Torres Vásquez de Retamosa the padrinos were
Diego [Alonso] Ramírez [del Pedroso y Hermosillo] y su hermana (in reality
they were cuñados) Francisca de Torres (another daughter of Nicolás Ramirez
de Tavera and Apolonia de la Torre and sister of María Tavera)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11824-51657-98?cc=1410092&…

For the baptism of Juan de Torres Macías the padrino was Antonio Tavera a
son of Nicolás Ramirez de Tavera and Apolonia de la Torre and brother of
María Tavera.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11824-51177-21?cc=1410092&…

Therefore, I believe, the padrinos of the baptisms of these children were
in a sense great uncles since their sister or sister in law had married,
who I think to be the grandfather of the children, Felipe Macias Valadez y
Vásquez de Retamosa the son of Alonso Macías Valdez and María Vásquez de
Retamosa. Also note that the wife of Hernando de Torres Espitia used both
the Macias surname as well as the Vásquez and Retamosa surnames meaning
that it is extremely likely that she descends from Alonso Macías Valadez
and María Vásquez de Retamosa meaning her father was probably their son and
since her father was named Felipe Macías Valadez and he was a son of Alonso
Macías Valadez and María Vásquez de Retamosa they should be the same person
and with the Ramírez de Tavera y de la Torre having been padrinos this
makes it even more believable.

Saludos,
Armando

Can someone help with this question below:

From: R Sainz [mailto:rsainzmex@yahoo.com.mx]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 1:02 PM
To: Joseph Puentes
Subject: Archivo General de Indias. (AGI)

Estimado Joseph: (In English below)

Primeramente saludandote y quisiera ver si puedes ayudarme en mi busqueda, si me puedes decir o orientar, en COMO PEDIR un documento microfilmado en el “Archivo General de Indias”.

Busco dos censos:

Lagos- Jalisco- Mexico- 1669- AGI Guadalajara 543

Lagos- Jalisco- Mexico- 167S6- AGI Guadalajara 543

CREO que esta aquí:

http://censoarchivos.mcu.es/CensoGuia/fondoDetailSession.htm?archivoId=… &id=980116&eventDescendiente=descendienteDetail

Tu escribiste algo al respecto en:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/archives/2003h2/msg00199.html

He encontrado en la pagina del AGI diversos servicios, como duplicado de Microfilm, pero no se si pueda pagar desde Mexico y que me lo manden digitalmente estos dos documentos (Censos).

O si tu no tienes conocimiento de cómo hacer este proceso, si conoces a alguna persona que me pueda ayudar. Agradezco mucho tu apoyo.

Saludos desde san Luis Potosi, S.L.P. Mx.

Ramon Baez.

-----------------

Dear Joseph:

First of all: greeting you, and I would like to see if you can help me in my search, if you can say or guidance, in a document microfilming ORDERING in the "Archivo General de Indias".

Seeking two censuses:

Lagos-Jalisco-Mexico-1669 - AGI Guadalajara 543
Lagos-Jalisco-Mexico-Guadalajara 167S6-AGI 543
I THINK it is here:
http://censoarchivos.mcu.es/CensoGuia/fondoDetailSession.htm?archivoId=… &id=980116&eventDescendiente=descendienteDetail
You wrote something about it:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/archives/2003h2/msg00199.html

I found on the website of AGI various services such as Microfilm duplicate, but not if you can afford from Mexico and digitally send me these two documents (Census).

Or if you have no knowledge of how to do this process, if you know someone who can help me. I appreciate your support.

Greetings from San Luis Potosi, S.L.P. Mx.

Ramon Baez.

I was away for a few days and it seems when I got back there were two
invitations to Linkedin and some spam from a third person. All three have
had their group privileges suspended. Sorry for the inconvenience this has
caused.

Joseph

Joseph Puentes

Clean@h2opodcast.com

http://h2opodcast.com

Does anyone have birthdates and places for the children from this marriage? Thanks.

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Hi,
For the past 5 years I have put in countless but unsuccessful hours searching for the baptismal records of 2 aunts. Today my cousin told me that she was told that they were baptized in a "fort" in Aguascalientes. Does anyone know of a place that fits this description? What type of records would I look for?
Thank you!
Sherri Mora

From: H. Leandro Soria
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 10:47 AM
To: Joseph Puentes
Subject: RE: El Sagrario, Aguascalientes film offline at FamilySearch?

Joseph,

The films corresponding to the parish of La Asunción de María (also known as
El Sagrario) are available online under the city of Aguascalientes. The link
to those images is:
https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysea…
rg%2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2FM99K-9XW%3An1858513207%3Fcc%3D1502404

The last change made to Mexico Catholic Church Records collections took
place on February 25th. The old "super-collection" Mexico, Catholic Church
Records was divided by states.

I hope this helps.

H. Leandro Soria

Record Specialist

Collection Operations

Hello everybody,
I just wanted to give a big shout out to this site and to my primo here who helped me set up my account. If it wasn't for him and everyone on this site, I wouldn't have been able to get so far with my research.
As a non-Spanish speaker, researching has been a bit difficult. So I just wanted to thank everyone who has been so generous and kind.
I love this site and am always referring back here, to either search the archives for past forum discussions for topics that relates to things I am currently looking for or for new topics that are currently being discussed.

So anyways, thanks again everyone!

Kristine

Maybe I've been asleep at the wheel, missed an issue or two here, or something. Can someone tell me when and why the FamilySearch.org site took the online copy of their microfilm records for Aguascalientes' church El Sagrario off line? I have 300 years (or more) of family in that church and it's now back to microfilm access only.

So frustrating to have to go back to the microfilm and nights at the local FHS (not to mention paying for more film transport) after this wonderful access.

Thanks!
Annette
(That will teach me to focus on other areas of the family tree for too long!)

Estimados Miembros,

Uno de mis ancestros, Santos Guzmán Michel (1779-ca.1840), se volvió sacerdote después de la muerte de su tercer esposa a alrededor de 1826.

Cómo puedo localizar documentos relativos a su ordenación?

Habría sido en Guadalajara pues era de la región del sur de Jalisco. Sé que existen listas de sacerdotes en otras diócesis, por ejemplo la de Barcelona, de donde viene otra rama de mi familia.

Muchas gracias!

Sergio