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Maybe history and folklore/jokes get mixed up...here is a joke I heard long
time ago about priests and traveling.

Once, when priests traveled from small towns to small towns, he stopped at
this woman's house who always hosted him upon his arrival. She was poor, but
always had a plate of beans waiting for him. He would think these beans were
the best beans in the world.

When he would come back to his "hometown", he told the cook about the
wonderful beans he had tasted in the other village. Well the cook tried to cook
beans in many different ways, but the priest insisted they were not like the
ones he had tasted in the village.

So the cook went to see this famous woman who made these wonderful beans.
When the cook asked the woman how she made the beans, she was surprised to
learn that the recipe was exactly as her own. She could not understand, and
exclaimed as much.

The woman laughed heartily. She said the real secret is that he would
travel so far to get to her home, that he was VERY hungry. Naturally, he thought
the beans were the best because he was so hungry.

So the cook went back home, and had not cooked for the priest for a full
day. The next day, the cook made the beans, like usual. The priest exclaimed:
you got it...you found the secret recipe.

Esperanza
Chicagoland area

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From: larry kirkpatrick
Subject: Conference in Ramos Arizpe
Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 11:40:03 +0000

GOBIERNO DEL ESTADO DE COAHUILA
SECRETARIA DE GOBIERNO
ARCHIVO GENERAL DEL ESTADO

TERCERA CONFERENCIA BINACIONAL DE HISTORIA FAMILIAR
THIRD BINATIONAL FAMILY HISTORY CONFERENCE

Viernes 7 de marzo de 2008

8:00 A.M. a 18:30 P.M.

El Archivo General del Estado estar

From: sceleste_m@hotmail.comTo: research@nuestrosranchos.orgSubject: RE: [Nuestros Ranchos] New Family Search Website UpdateDate: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 16:58:52 -0500

I am very excited! I live in Ottawa, Canada so sometimes I wait 3 months to recieve a film. I CAN'T WAIT!!! Sofia

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The reason why I was asking, is that I have been asked, to go to the
conference to man one of the vendor booths. And I am hoping to possibly see
some the ranchos members, while I'm there.

Jonathan

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Date: 04/11/07 16:04

>
> Jonathan:
>
> The conference is not until the 15th of May so it is a bit more than a
month away. I just went on the website and saw some interesting seminars,
etc. I am now considering going for a day since I don't think I can take
more than that off work and since it is only a few hours from Washington DC.
>
> For anyone interested, below is the website:
>
> http://www.eshow2000.com/ngs/2007/
>
> There is nothing Mexican or Hispanic/Latin themed at all but some of the
more technical seminars on standard of proof, technology, etc. seem very
useful.

FYI

There were peope living in General Cepeda, Coahuila with that surname at one time.

--
Esther A. Herold

Not sure if this collection will touch the Mexican Indians but here is
some information:

14. After Columbus: Four-Hundred Years of Native American Portraiture
http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/explore/?collection=AfterCol…

The New York Public Library's early efforts to collect Native American
portraiture were greatly aided by gifts and purchases made by Dr.
Wilberforce Eames and J.P. Morgan. Morgan was a sponsor of Edward S.
Curtis's massive survey of North American Native Americans and Eames was the
Library's bibliographer. This particular digital collection from the Library
brings together some of these early acquisitions, including George Caitlin's
"North American Indian Portfolio" from 1845 and Frederic Allen Williams'
"Photographs of American Indians". In total, this digital collection
includes 369 prints and drawings. Visitors can browse through each portfolio
at their leisure, or they can also elect to search through the entire
collection by title or keyword. [KMG]

I have a question for the members with ties to Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco and Guadalajara. Do any of you have any other information on this record??

JOSE YGNACIO BENITES NAVARRO
12 NOV 1808 Atotonilco El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico
Parents: Juan de Dios Benites and Maria Antonia Navarro

He is my 2nd Great Grand Uncle.

Also, Juan de Dios Benites and Maria Antonia Navarro seem to have been married in Guadalajara but cannot find anything about them. They also had children that married in Juchipila, Zac.

THANKS!

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Tengo una pregunta para los miembros con lazos en Atotonilco el Alto y Guadalajara. Alguno de ustedes tiene informacion adicional de este record??

JOSE YGNACIO BENITES NAVARRO
12 NOV 1808 Atotonilco El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico
Parents: Juan de Dios Benites and Maria Antonia Navarro

El es mi segundo tio bisabuelo.

Tambien creo que sus papas, Juan de Dios Benites and Maria Antonia Navarro se casaron o eran de Guadalajara pero no puedo encontrar informacion de ellos. Ellos tambien tuvieron hijos que se casaron en Juchipila, Zac.

GRACIAS!

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1. Find and open the album you want to dowload the images from
2. Click on a picture once to open the larger size (still within the Nuestros Ranchos site).
3. Click on the picture again to have it open up full screen (well full size at least... some do not fill up the entire screen)
4. Right click (Windows) or CTRL-clik (Mac) and select "Save Image As..."
5. Click "back" on your browser to return to Nuestros Ranchos site
6. Click on the next number above the image to go to next image and repeat from step 3.

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POR EL MOMENTO NO TENGO ESA INFORMACIO, PERO EN CUANTO VUELVA AL ARCHIVO, BUSCARE SOBRE ELLOS, ESTAMOS EN CONTACTO, ESTAMOS EN CONTACTO, UN CORDIAL SALUDO, ATTE. LUPITA> From: general-request@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: General Digest, Vol 25, Issue 5> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 14:46:32 -0800> > Send General mailing list submissions to> general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> http://lists.nuestrosranchos.org/listinfo.cgi/general-nuestrosranchos.o…; > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to> general-request@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> > You can reach the person managing the list at> general-owner@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific> than "Re: Contents of General digest..."> > > Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> DAILY DIGEST> ****************************************> > Today's Topics:> > 1. Map from Spanish archives (arturoramos)> 2. Download pics of Castas (Lester Alvarado)> 3. Hola lupita! Tambien yo solicito tu valiosa ayuda... (jalfonsohr)> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Message: 1> Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 19:48:25 -0800 (PST)> From: arturoramos > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Map from Spanish archives> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> Message-ID:> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed> > > I just posted a scan of a a 1760 map of the "Fronteras de Colotlan" that I obtained from Archivo General de Indias.> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/16552> > > ------------------------------> > Message: 2> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 04:06:04 +0000> From: Lester Alvarado > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Download pics of Castas> To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > Hi Joseph ,> > Is there any way possible to download the pics of the Castas . I've tried to download them to my memory stick but , no luck . Are we permitted to do so ? This coming Tuesday I will be attending the monthly meeting of the Sociedad de Genealogia de Monterrey and I opened my mouth and told Daniel Zambrano the current president that I was going to share them with the group . Please let me know if I can do this , and if I can how can I go about it .> > > Thanks a bunch ,> > Welester> _________________________________________________________________> Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live.> http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_01…; > ------------------------------> > Message: 3> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 06:34:32 -0800 (PST)> From: jalfonsohr > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Hola lupita! Tambien yo solicito tu> valiosa ayuda...> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> Message-ID:> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed> > > Mi madre--Mar?a de los Angeles Romo Quezada. naci? en Encarnaci?n de D?az, jalisco, en 1914. Sus padres, Sim?n Romo Garcia, y su madre, mar?a de la Cruz Quezada Ramirez, ambos de Encarnaci?n de D?az, Jalisco. Me gustar?a saber m?s detalles de sus familias, ya que ignoro m?s detalles...podr?as auxiliarme?> Un afectuoso saludo.> Alfonso H. Romo> > > ------------------------------> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> > End of General Digest, Vol 25, Issue 5> **************************************
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haven't checked this out but the description sounded interesting:

1. Exploring the Early Americas [Macromedia Flash Player]
http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/earlyamericas/

The Jay I. Kislak Collection at the Library of Congress contains over 3000
rare maps, documents, paintings, and other artifacts that span hundreds of
years. Recently, the Library of Congress created this very engaging online
exhibition in order to provide the general public with access to a selection
of these documents. As the site notes, the collection "provides insight into
indigenous cultures, the drama of the encounters between Native Americans
and European explorers and settlers, and the pivotal changes caused by the
meeting of the American and European worlds." The online materials are
divided into three sections: "Pre-Contact America", "Explorations and
Encounters", and "Aftermath of the Encounter". Some of the objects included
throughout these sections include a Mayan jaguar sculpture and a hand-
colored engraving detailing the route of Sir France Drake from the late 16th
century. Finally, the "Interactives" area includes a complete version of the
classic work "The Buccaneers of America" and the famed 1507 and 1516 world
maps by Martin Waldseemüller. [KMG]

FamilySearch (Genealogical Society of Utah) microfilmed the 1930 Mexico Natl. Census in the Mexico Natl. Archives back in the 1960s. They filmed everything that the archives had, which unfortunately wasn't everything. As for Aguascalientes the municipios: Aguascalientes, Calvillo, and Jesus Maria were 'lost' at the time of the microfilming. FamilySearch has not gone back to the Natl. archives to determine if the 'lost' municipios were ever found. You may want to inquire with them to see.

-Lynn Turner
FamilySearch

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Hi Sof?a! I can help a bit on this subject. I've been told that priest had only started to list grandparents on baptisms ca. 1812. But not full affect until 1827 or so. It doesnt mean they were the first in M?xico. The huge migration to M?xico was in the 1500's. When Hern?n Cort?s conquered M?xico. After 1821 the independence very few left ffrom Spain, since M?xico was economically unstable.

TO view passenger list or atleast the info you can go to
http://pares.mcu.es

You can also order the microfilm for passanger lists. Usually its the same info as in the record on PARES. It's a wealth on info. I recently found out my mother's side of the family had a COat of Arms. Not those phonny ones you can buy on the interent, but an actually one given to us by King Charles V.And is there somewhere where I can search passenger lists of ships that arrived in Mexico? How to make the connection to Mexico and the country that they were originally from, Spain? There is a speculation that says all SPaniards are related because at least one line on every SPanish tree descends from D. Alfonso I, King of Asturias.
About the surnames. Mart?nez, Ram?nez, Ram?rez, Ru?z and G?mez, Mu??z are all patron?micos. Derived from the son of....like Mart?nez means the son of Mart?n. They usually changed every generation. but for some reason in ca. 1450 They ceased on creating new ones. So if Jos? Fern?ndez de Portugal. lets say. His ancestor who ignited his line of FErnandezes would have been Fernando de Portugal born ca. 1450. THey USUALLY go back to royalty based on my experience. one of my lines goes back to Fernando II "El Cat?lico.

Note * not all -ez surnames are patron?micos.

Losano, Acosta, Agu?lar, Peratra, Medina, Mac?as, Ar?iza, Pacheco are all places, like cities.
Usually it was DE Losano or DE Medina.

Esparza came from Ru?z de Esparza, which is a huge family! Especially many rancho members including my self are related. Esparza is also a city in Pamplona, Spain, the Village of Esparza.

Davila was from De Avila. I guess it would have been d'Avila. Also a city in Castilla.

Z??iga is also a city in Galicia, SPain.

V?ldez is a city.

Not sure about Angel?
Maybe its connects to the church. Like Santa ANa.

De ANDA, is the another huge one. It is a apellido Alte?a in Jalisco. It came origianlly in 1545 from Castilla. The original surname was Anda de Altamirano.

-Hope this helps!
-Daniel M?ndez del Camino
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Hi Daniel, Were you able to locate and access the capital city of Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes through the website you sent for 1930 Mexico census? The folks at my FHC couldn't locate through that site. It sure would help if I knew that someone could locate and access it. Thanks, Alice BB

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The reason why you do not see the 1930 Census for Aguas is because the census has not been scanned yet. If I remember correctly, I think that is presumed to be lost.
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To all the intrepid researchers at Nuestros Ranchos:

In searching through microfilm records, as I copy down the entries I find on
my ancestors and "might be related" persons, I strive to make these records
as accurate as possible. However, as has been discussed in this forum in
the past, spelling of names, illegible penmanship, phonetic spelling, etc.
can make accuracy sometimes a hit and miss guessing game. Which could
result in inaccurate documentation. It is so tempting to just figure, based
on other entries, that one person in one entry is the same as another person
in another entry. For example, sometimes they spell a surname "Vanda,"
sometimes "Banda." Should I record it the way they spell it in each of the
entries, or should I "correct" them by standardizing the name myself, by
documenting what I think they meant everytime?

I realize I could get myself into a sticky situation. One reason is, that
"Vanda" could be a name different from "Banda" and the persons in each
entry, therefore, different people, no matter how similar everyone else in
these entries appear. My mistake would be to assume Jose Vanda married to
Maria Sanchez and Jose Banda married to Maria Sanches are the same people.
Some people, even today, spell their surnames ending in "s" or "z", as in
Gonzalez and Chavez. In one entry a Gregorio Peres, married to a Maria
Chavez, then becomes Gregorio Perez and Maria Chaves in another entry!
Changing it in my documentation, to all end in "z" or "s", could mean
recording it incorrectly for how they might have spelled their own names!
As you can see, and I'm sure many of you have discovered, this is one of the
challenges of reading handwritten records.

Some names are so illegible, I write down the name the best I can and place
a question mark after it. For example, "Peisnlar?" In other entries, all
the names are the same as in this one, but the person's last name is very
clearly "Pinuelas." Should I change "Peisnlar" to "Pinuelas," because I
think that's probably what was written, however illegible? Or, should I not
take any chances by guessing what it probably says in the record? I look
over how the recordkeeper wrote their letters, to aid in my reading their
penmanship, but sometimes there is just one name that stumps me and I put a
question mark after it, to let myself know that I gave up.

What do you do to make your records as accurate as possible? How do you
pass this information on to others, even download databases of your records
onto forums, make your records available to family, etc., when there are
these questionable areas? I know how frustrating it is to try and find an
ancestor in a database, such as Ancestry.com, only to discover after long
searching hours and days, and weeks, and years, that the name was completely
massacred and nowhere resembles the true name of that person. When I look
for "Frias," I also look for "Freas," and "Frillas," etc. But, what if it
is entered as "Frian," or "Fias," or something like that? Will I ever find
it?

I guess we can only do what is humanly possible. No one is perfect and we
can not expect that. We can only be thankful and quite grateful that we
have information being shared in the first place and at such a huge volume,
all around the world. Which brings me to the reason for my dismay. I have
decided to download all my records onto rootsweb and find many of my
carefully kept records are dotted with question marks and notes in
parenthesis. I want to share this information, but I want to provide it as
accurately as I can.

Thank-you, all, for your help and words of wisdom!

Questions and thoughts from Santa Maria, California
>From Corrine Ardoin (I spell my first name inaccurately, because that was
how I was taught to spell it as a child, but I have since found from baptism
and birth records, my given name is "Corinne," which my father always
pointed out to me. But I never listened to him! So, to this day, I spell
even my own name incorrectly!)

Hello Everyone!

I have been a member of El Ranchos since the summer but I have never written an Intro with a list of names and dates so I decided to do it and see if I have any luck and someone recognizes someone. Also I wanted to ask the group a couple of questions. I live in Canada so at my Family Centre they seem not to be able to help me out. Linda had answered an inquiry of mine of how to see civil records mentioning to ask the centre but they seem not to know. The civil records, Aguascalientes, Ojuelos, Jalisco, Pinos, Zacatecas, I would want to see have to do with Aurelio Martinez, my grandfather who was a widower and had a son. I am completely stumped, I can not find the marriage or the birth of the son. His dates are mentioned in the Martinez Davila names. I would be forever grateful if I get a break threw.
The other question is I have reached the records of Jalisco from 1771 but there are no names of grandparents in the births. Does this mean they are the first to arrive in Mexico? And is there somewhere where I can search passenger lists of ships that arrived in Mexico? How to make the connection to Mexico and the country that they were originally from, Spain?
Here is the List of Names and I want to thank anyone ahead of time for any help. I am fairly new to all this and sometimes I get confused where to look and even how to ask to be properly understood.
MARTINEZ, MUÑOZ, LOZANO, DAVILA, GOMEZ, ACOSTA, RUIZ, AGUILAR, ZUNIGA, EZPARIA, PERATRA, MEDINA, MACIAS, ARAIZA, ¿VIDALEZ O VALDEZ?, ANGEL, PACHECO, RAMONES, RAMIREZ, ANDA

Thank you.
Sofia

Hola A Todos!

He sido miembro desde el verano pero nunca he escrito una introducción con nombres y fechas, así que decidí hacerlo y haber si tengo suerte. También quería preguntar el grupo un par de preguntas. ¿Como encontrar sobre los matrimonios civiles? Aguascalientes, Ojuelos, Jalisco, Pinos, Zacatecas. Yo vivo en Canada y mí Centro de Familia no sabe ayudarme. Quiero encontrar sobre el primer matrimonio de mi abuelo, Aurelio Martinez y su hijo. Los datos están abajo en los nombres de Martinez Davila. Si alguien me podía ayudar estaría muy agradecida!
La otra pregunta que tengo es que yo llegue hasta 1771, pero en los nacimientos no viene los abuelos. ¿Eso quiere decir que son ellos los primero a llagar a Mexico? ¿Y también si existe donde puedo buscar en una lista de personas que llegaron en los barcas a Mexico?
¿Como hacer la conexión entre Mexico y España?
De anta mano quiero agradecer cual Quero ayuda!
Aquí esta la lista de appellodos:
MARTINEZ, MUÑOZ, LOZANO, DAVILA, GOMEZ, ACOSTA, RUIZ, AGUILAR, ZUNIGA, EZPARIA, PERATRA, MEDINA, MACIAS, ARAIZA, ¿VIDALEZ O VALDEZ?, ANGEL, PACHECO, RAMONES, RAMIREZ, ANDA

Gracias.
Sofia

MARTINEZ DAVILA:
Eugenio Martinez Aguilar se casa el 14 de Nov. de 1863 San Jose, Ojuelos, Jalisco con Maria de la Luz Davila Macias
Hijos:
Jose Guadalupe; el 18 de Dec. de 1864
Se casa este con Gregoria Rodriguez el 20 de Abril 1885, San Jose, Ojuelos
Aurelio ; el 11 de Nov. de 1870
Bap. de 17 de Nov., San Jose, Ojuelos
Rancho Peñuelo del partido de Pinos al Norte
Se casa con ¿? Y tiene un hijo: *Genaro*(Can’t find any Info)*
Es vuido y se casa el 12 de Julio de 1912 en La Cuidad de Aguascaliente con Maria Trinidad Muñoz Lozano ; el 05 de Mayo de 1899 ¿San Miguel el Alto?
Concepcion; el 25 de Enero de 1874
Maria Petra; Nacio 1877
Esta se casa con Daniel Contreras el 9 de Enero 1894, San Jose, Ojuelos

MARTINEZ AGUILAR:
Pedro Jose de la Luz Martinez Gomez ; el 28 el Junio de 1810, Jaula de Abajo
Bap. el 11de Julio, San Jose, Ojuelos, Jalisco
Hacienda de Gallinas, Pinos(Compro un parte)
Rancho el Pueblito
Se casa el 08 de Oct. De 1831 San Jose, Ojuelos, Jalisco
(Cerritos esta mencionado) con Paula Aguilar Zúñiga 1816
Hijos:
Maria Andrea; el 08 de Dec. De 1832
Maria Estefanía; el 31 de Dec. De 1834
Esta se casa con Crescencio Santos, San Jose, Ojuelos
Hijos: Paula ; 06 de Mar. de 1862
Hilaria ; 13 de Nov. de 1864
Hijo de esta: Ambrosio Contreraz
Juan ; 01 de Enero de 1867
Atanasio ; 08 de Mayo de 1868
Tomas ; 24 de Dec. de 1871
Maria de Refugio; el 30 de Mar. de 1837
Jose de la Encarnación; el 01 Abr. De 1838
Jose Cosme; el 24 de Sept. de 1840, 11 del día, Jaula
Eugenio; el19 de Mar. de 1842, 10 del día, Jaula
Panfila; el 02 de Junio de 1844, Pueblito
Esta se caso con Cruz Davila
Hija de estos, Justina; 05 de Oct de 1872
Dario; el 25 de Nov. de 1846, Jaula
Secundino; el 04 de Jul. de 1849
Abundio; el15 de Jul. de 1850
Maria Encarnación, el 07 de Abr. de 1853
Macaria; el 15 de Mar. de 1854

I've noticed (because several of you have noticed) that the website is
experiencing some problems. Hang in there and hopefully things will sort
themselves out. Tomorrow is Sunday so go out and experience the mild
weather if you are on the East Coast and otherwise enjoy your day. Think
of our ancestors from so many generations past and how they might have
passed a day if they were having technical difficulties. I don't think
that my Great Grandmother Antonia Santa Maria (dob: 1862 in El Salitral,
Tepetongo, Zacatecas) could read but if she did needle work and somehow
her lantern wick or other part malfunctioned and she couldn't use it
maybe she would spend more time with one of her children possibly
telling stories by the woodstove fire. She might have told the story
about how an angel once helped her cross a raging river shortly after my
Grandmother (Virginia Diaz: dob: 1886, Las Animas, Santa Maria de Los
Angeles, Jalisco) was born after my GG grandmother Andrea Torres (dob:
1833, El Yngles, Santa Maria de Los Angeles, Jalisco, Mexico) was very
very hard on her making her life miserable enough to run away back to
the place of her parents: Lucio Santa Maria and Cecilia Espinoza (dob:
~1825 marriage: 1844 Tepetongo, Zacatecas, Mexico).

Or maybe my Grandmother Virginia Diaz would tell my father of the time
her husband my Grandfather, Julio Puente (dob: 1886, Las Animas, Santa
Maria de Los Angeles, Jalisco) was frozen motionless one night as he
walked home from a neighbors house in the night after he was sure a
mountain lion was roaming very close to him. Or the story of how my
Great Grandfather Jose Julio de Jesus Puentes (dob: 1852, Las Animas,
Santa Maria de Los Angeles, Jalisco) died right in front of my
Grandfather holding an iron bar digging a small path for the water to
run away from the house they were in during a severe
rain/thunder/lightening storm by being struck by lightening.

Just some thoughts.

joseph

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Dear Sofia, You may probably note that the records you are looking through
are pretty consistent, in that they all probably don't have grandparents
listed for that period of time by that scribe. Its wonderful when they are
full of info (I love it that many of my marriage records from Guanajuato
include the groom's profession), but that just isn't always the case. This
may reflect cost-cutting measures at the time, ie less paper, ink. I haven't
come across any of my own ancestors originating in Spain yet, but I have seen
entries that include mention of an originating city in Spain. I don't know how
common this is.

____________________________________________________________________

I have searched the Mexican 1930 Census for the town of Etzatlan in Jalisco, however, I have been unable to find it. Does anyone know if it was filmed? or included in another town's census?

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/16503
RESEARCHING: Rodriquez-Vidaurri-Aguilera-Yniquez

Greetings to members of Nuestros Ranchos:

My name is Gilbert Keas [rhymes with Keys] and I live in Los Osos,
California. My research at this early stage is focused on Teocaltiche, Jal.
and Zacatecas, Zac.

Here is a brief informal Descendancy Narative of my great-grandfather, Celso
Rodriquez [through my grandfather, Candelario Rodriquez], from my mother’s
side of the family:

Descendancy Narrative of Celso Rodriquez & Isabel Vidaurri

I. Celso Rodriquez was born circa 1847. He married Ysabel “Chavelita”
Vidaurri on 25 April, 1874 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco, Mexico. The children of
Celso and Ysabel, may have consisted of seven boys and one girl. Their
daughter may have died in childhood. After 1908, Celso may have immigrated
to Douglas, Arizona, as did most of his sons, including Candelario and his
immediate family.

A. Ciriaco Rodriquez was born between 1875-1879 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco,
Mexico.

B. Camilo Rodriquez was born between 1875-1879 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco,
Mexico.

C. Apolinar Rodriquez was born between 1875-1879 in Teocaltiche,
Jalisco, Mexico.

D. Casimiro Rodriquez was born between 1875-1879 in Teocaltiche,
Jalisco, Mexico.

E. Candelario Rodriquez was born on 2 Feb 1879 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco,
Mexico. He married Maria Refugia Aguilera [Daughter of Timoteo Aguilera and
Refugia Yniguez] circa. 1897 in Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Mexico. Candelario
died on 14 Nov 1941 in El Paso, Texas, at age 62. Candelario & Maria had ten
children... the first three were born in Zacatecas, Zacatecas, the next four
were born in Douglas, Arizona, the last three were born in El Paso, Texas.

AGUILERA-YNIGUEZ NOTES:

1. Timoteo Aguilera & Refugia Yniguez were married on July 8, 1874 in
Teocaltiche, Jalisco, Mexico.

2. Maria Refugia Aguilera was born on July 13, 1882, Teocaltiche, Jalisco,
Mexico and died on May 10th, 1957, El Paso, Texas.

3. Two of Maria’s brothers were Margarito and Francisco “Poncho” Aguilera.

4. Maria worked in the men's clothing store owned by her brother, Francisco
Aguilera, either in Teocaltiche or Zacatecas.

I hope to travel to Teocaltiche this June or July to walk the sod of my
grandparents & great-grandparents and see what I can find in the way of
family history [I’ll be traveling with a friend who is fluent in Spanish...
regrettably, I am not].

I would like to find the locations of Teocaltiche’s cemeteries while this
trip is still in the planning stage.

I look forward to any advise offered by fellow researchers and members of
Nuestros Ranchos.

Muchos Gracias,

Gilbert

I'm hoping those of you who speak or understand Spanish better than I do can help me with this. I'm having problems with family relationships. This record is from Jerez Zacatecas.

I tried to post my gedcom to this site but it timed out so it's on Rootsweb.com complete with sources but with many approximate dates due to missing years in the records.

I've been looking for a long time for proof that Manuel Reveles (abt 1747) was married first to Maria Petra Montana Zuniga (abt 1750) and second wife was Andrea Velasquez (abt 1765) Francisca Reveles or her witness's names both women as her mother in records for her children. This marriage information record is the only thing I've ever found that seems to make Francisca Reveles (abt 1780 and Rafael Reveles (abt 1790) related. I can't find any other person who could be related to both Pedro Miranda and Rafael Reveles... what do you think? If this is correct it solves two mysteries for me, 1 that Manuel was married to both women and 2 that this is the same Pedro Miranda! I have not been able to find any other record for parents of Pedro Miranda or Maria Marcos Perez.

Marriage information 4 Sept 1865 in Jerez
Felipe Miranda from Senor de Roma single age 21
parents: Pedro Miranda and Maria Marcos Perez both living
with: Maria Ladislao Mejia from Senor de Roma single age 15
parents: Patricio Mejia and Brigida Cabrera still living
no blood ties
wit: Tomas Alvares from Senor de Roma married age 65 labrador es pariente de la novia en tercer grado de afinidad
wit: Rafael Reveles from Recodo married age 75 labrador el novio is sobrino del declarante en tercer grado
wit: Catarino Reveles from Recodo widower age 30 labrador el novio is pariente del declarante en tercer grado de consaguinidad
posted 8, 10 and 17 Sept 1865
source: 0439911 Jerez marriage information record

Now this is who I believe Pedro Miranda is from the information of the witness's.

CHRISTENING: 1 Feb 1821 in Jerez
child: Pedro Roman, 18 days old born in San Juan Buenavista
parents: Ylario Miranda and Francisca Reveles
pat grandparents: Francisco Ramirez and Petra Miranda
mat grandparents: Manuel Reveles and Petra Zuniga
padrinos: Eulogio Cepeda and Navotra Garcia
source: baptism record #0439850

Here is my reasoning... this goes back to Francisca Reveles (abt 1780), who I believe is half sister to Rafael Reveles (abt 1790) son of Manuel Reveles and Andrea Velasquez, Catarino Reveles (abt 1832) son of Apolonio Reveles (abt 1812) is Rafael Reveles grandson.

what do you think? Do I have a match???

Linda in Everett

I am been researching family ancestors, my g-g-g-g-grandfather's name is Angel Arch from Sayula married Mercedes Gutierres in 1848, but I have not been able to find any decendents...
The Arch family lived in "Hacienda De la Canada Taxunaxtla, Jalisco

Also, Cristoval Gaitan married Panfila Hernandez in 9/1882 Tamazula Jalisco...unable locate any other decendents.

Narciso Yglesias married Maria Trinidad in 1872, Tamazula, unable to locate any other desdendents

I was hoping if any of you had come accross any information.

According to family members, ancestors lived in Zapotiltic, Tamazula, Ciudad Guzman, Sayula and Villa de Tonila.

Pam /Alicia,

As a Jauregui I read your comments and I must say they tickled my funny bone a little. In that it is possible for one man to have spread himself so unselfishly, the probability is low . The church was omnipotent in those days and to allow a man to behave like that is hard to rationalize. Alicia, your relatives' claim may have some truth to it, but I think time has embellished the truth. I found the first Jauregui in the Nochistlan area was, Juan Francisco Jauregui, from San Sebastian, Guipouzcoa, Viscaya, Spain. He married Josefa Chavez de Siordia in Dec 1662 in Nochistlan. They had 10 children, 7 boys and 3 girls. They in turn had large families and by the fifth generation the Jaureguis in the region numbered several hundred. This could be why the oral history has gotten colorful. Yes, one man started the Jauregui line there but not by being a "Don Juan". I DON'T THINK.

Ray Jauregui
Sammanish, WA

"Pam,

I went to a wedding in Nochistlan in August of 2007. ........... I happened to meet and talk to a few of the Jauregui's and ................... two of the Jauregui relations said that all the Jauregui's descend from one Jauregui .........................as a result of his wealth and his prowess he had many children with many women in all of the surrounding regions and ranchos ............................. they claimed he was the progenitor of most of the Jaureguis of that region.....................

Alicia Carrillo"

Hi,

Someone recently joined who is researching surnames I am also researching.
Their message was in Spanish, so I hope they get the gist of this message.

I wanted to reply to them that I am also researching the Rivera and Martin
del Campo surnames in Jalisco. I have lots of records from births,
baptisms, marriages, etc. from Guadalajara, primarily for the 1800's. My
file title on this site, Nuestros Ranchos, does not mention the surname
Rivera, but if you look under my name, Corrine Ardoin, you will find a
family tree that contains these ancestors. My mother's great-grandmother
was Rita Robles Rivera, born about 1851 in Guadalajara. Rita's parent's
were Emigdio Robles and Manuela Rivera. They were married February 5,
1843. Manuela's parents were Alejo Rivera and Dolores Mora. They resided in
Guadalajara and attended the Sanctuario de Nuestra Senora de Guadalupe
Church. Manuela lived to be over 100 and died in the early 1900's. Rita
died in 1935.

This has brought up something else. I have so much "might be related" data
accumulated. Is there some way to make this available to other members? I
get a microfilm, record every entry that has the surname I am researching,
then it just sits in a folder. I would like to be able to share the data
with others, so perhaps they might find info there they could use. Such as
the surname Rivera. I have a lot of records with that surname, because it
is of my ancestors. But all of these records contain many, many other
surnames. How can I make this available to other members? I asked the
family history center where I live about getting all of this on the IGI, but
they said it is done only by church members who have submitted their family
trees. How do the rest of us make our research available where it does not
coincide with our own family trees, but may be useful to others?

Corrine Ardoin
Santa Maria, California

I too am researching the Jauregui family and am early in my search.

Here is what I know:
Domingo JAUREGUI was born ca 1902 in Nochistlán,
Zacatecas. The family story is that he came from
Basque Spain. Domingo married Maria LOMELI
daughter of Leocadia and an unknown father
LOMELI. Maria LOMELI was born ca 1907 in
Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico. I do not have death
dates or places for Domingo or Maria. The couple
had 5 known children:

1. Maria de la Luz JAUREGUI born 30 Jun 1929 in
Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico. She married Jose
ITO ca Feb 1947 in Juarez, Chihuahua. Jose ITO's
parents were Minoru or Kaname ITO born ca 1886 in
Japan and his wife Enriqueta ACOSTA daughter of
Ambrosio ACOSTA and Josefa HERNANDEZ. Enriqueta
ACOSTA was born ca 1898 in Juarez, Chihuahua.
Ambrosio ACOSTA was born 1 Jan 1857 in Camargo,
Chihuahua.

2. Domingo JAUREGUI born ca 24 May 1931 in
Villa Obregon, Jalisco died in El Paso, Texas in
1996.

3. Ruben JAUREGUI born ca 1933 in Guadalajara, Jalisco.

4. Miguel JAUREGUI born ca 1935 in Guadalajara, Jalisco.

5. Raul JAUREGUI born ca 1937 in Guadalajara, Jalisco.

I would appreciate any help on this family.

Pamela in Berkeley, California

>Hello, my name is Judy Jauregui-Rodriguez, I had
>started doing my family tree research and when
>it came to records from Mexico I was having
>difficulty and found your research group. My
>deceased husband Pablo Jauregui-Romo was from
>Teocaltiche , Jalisco as well as his parents &
>grandparents. Here are the names of family
>members that I am doing research on. Any help
>will be greatly appreciated.
>Father - Jauregui-Delgadillo still living
>Paternal GFather - Mateo Jauregui
>Paternal GMother- Priscilliana Delgadillo
>Maternal GGFather Cornelio Delgadillo
>Paternal GGFather Eusebio Jauregui born 1920 (I
>found a 1923 border crossing into El Paso Texas)
>Paternal GGMother Petronilla
>Children of Mateo & Priscilliana: Jose,
>Josefina, Justina, Maria, Pedro, Salvador,
>Siriaco, Tadeo, Tomasa, Enemorio. All from area
>of Teocaltiche and surrounding Ranchos
>
>Mother - Romo-Martinez still living
>Maternal GFather - Domingo Romo
>Maternal GMother - Augustina Martinez
>Maternal GGFather Regugio Romo
>Maternal GGMoter Trinidad Mora
>Children of Domingo & Augustina: Antonio,
>Asuncion, Elena, Esteban, Francisca, Juanita,
>Marcos, Mara del Carmen, Patricia, Raymundo,
>Victoriano, Micaela. All from area of
>Jalsotitlan and surrounding Ranchos
>
>Thank you
>

Hi Alicia and Pam:

I was in Nochistlán last November and was lucky to find a book : "Nochistlán de Zacatecas". Cuatro siglos de su vida. By Cleotilde Evelia Quirarte. I found it at the church library.

I saw your e-mail to Pam, where you talked about the Jáuregui from Nochistlán and thought that you might be interested in this bit of information.. This is what I found in the book about the Jauregui:

On page 110; " Existe una tradicion entre varias familias nochistlecas que asegura fueron doce los españoles fundadores, y se conserva memoria de algunos de esos apellidos: Sandoval, Ruvalcaba, Ruiz, Frias, Mejía, Duran y Chavez. "

Next paragraph:

"Aunque los archivos parroquiales de Nochistlán comienzan en 1622 con la visita del obispo Don Fray Francisco de Rivera, es hasta 1627 cuando aparecen en diversas actas bautismales numerosos apellidos españoles" A long list is included. "En las actas del primer libro de bautismo se leen los nombre : (there is a list) included in this list are: Matheo de Rovalcaba, and the Mendozas...

On page 112:

" En el primer tercio del siglo XVIII, surgen en los archivos los apellidos: Cervantes, Quirarte, Negrete, de Quezada,de La Dueña, y poco mas despues, el de JAUREGUI, (y JAURE), de Laura, de Contreras, y Flores. "

The second half of the page has an incomplete list of Ranchos. "Estancia de Los Xáureguis" is mentioned. Missing are: "La Estancia", " La Estancia de Nochistlán" , "Rancho de San Roque". That doesn't mean that they don't exist, they were probably just left out from the list or were created at a much later date, I don't know.

I was looking for another book, I believe the title is "Nochistlán, su historia a travez de archivos parroquiales" I went to "Libreria Nochistlan" and talked to the owner. He said that the author does not want that book to go into print again. The bookstore owner told me that he is willing and had offered to pay for the cost of the printing, but the author still refused.

Are you interested in Teocaltiche?
I also visited Teocaltiche last November, my wife has quite a few relatives there. I met Nicolas de Anda Sanchez, Historian, Author he has published about four books on Teocaltiche. I talked with him for about 4 hours. I bought his latest book : Historia de Teocaltiche, Pueblo de la Region Caxcana, Nueva Galicia. I found this book very useful because it lists:

People from Teocaltiche who fought in the war for independence.
Ranchos del Municipio (50)
Ranchos del Ayuntamiento de Mexticacán (22)
Ranchos del Distrito del Ayuntamiento Paso de Sotos (Villa Hidalgo) (40)
Nombre de los padres que confirmaron a sus hijos en 1634 y nombres de los niños.
Confirmaciones 27 de Junio, 1648 Nombres de padres e hijos. (about 120 families).
Confirmaciones 6 de Enero, 1654. (80 couples)
Relacion de personas que poseian esclavos, o utilizaban indigenas como sirvientes, segun los registro parroquialesque existen del siglo XVII.( about two and a half pages)
Padron de Teocaltiche de la 2da mitad del siglo XVII. (11 pages)
Esclavitud y servidumbre en Teocaltiche en el siglo XVIII.
Padron de 1708 a 1722 Relacion de padres y padrinos españoles tomada de los bautismos. (about 8 pages)

I highly recommend this book. I bought mine in Teocaltiche and it is probably available through some other sources.
I hope you and Pam will find some of the information useful.

I wasted a lot of time lloking for books in the bookstores in Aguascalientes. I found one, "Breve Historia de Aguascalientes" and like the title implies, it is brief. It was on our last day in Teocal when I found out that the best place for books is the Universidad de Aguascalientes bookstore. I am making sure I'll visit there on my next trip to Los Altos.

In Jalostotitlán you can find books at the pharmacy at the main plaza, they had about 5 different ones, including : Jalostotitlán a Travez de Los Siglos.

In Santa Ana you can find books on Santo Toribio Romo González.

Have a nice day in San Jose (I was raised there)

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA
1gnzlz@verizon.net

Thank you for your help!

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