NE Mexico genealogy

While this is not included in the Nuestros Ranchos research, I am wondering if anyone out there might know how/where I can contact ALMA ROSA LONGORIA GUZMAN CRUZ, who,
along with her siblings has done extensive genealogy on NE Mexico, more precisely Mier,
Camargo, Guerrero, etc.

Thanks for any information.
Juanita Delgado

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For Connie Dominguez

Connie.......please check to see if any LIENDO or DE LA ROSA are included in
this index......Thanks so much~!

Josie in San Antonio

Connie Dominguez wrote:

"Something to remember about the book: 1) most of these letters were written
VERY soon after conquest...and the real flood of immigrants I think came a
bit later (The Romo de Vivars and Ruiz de Esparzas didn't immigrate until
the late 16th or early 17th centuries and really didn't play a factor in
this community at

the time of these letters); 2) many of these letters are from

Mexico proper and Puebla, with a few outliers in Zacatecas, probably because
few letters were collected from the sparsely populated new frontiers; and 3)
the book does include letters from Central and South America.

All in all, a worthwhile publication if you have EARLY immigrants."

Connie Dominguez El Paso, TX, USA

Taking Site Offline for Upgrading

Joseph and I have been talking about upgrading the site. The site was built two years ago and since then, there have been many improvements to the underlying "content managament system" that serves as the core for the site.

This is going to be no easy process as there have been many custom additions we have made to that software. We were thinking of taking the site down sometime this summer. It may be up to a week before we can have it back up. In the meantime, members will be able to continue discussions via the email lists.

Please let us know your thoughts on this. Once we have a firm date, we will notify members so that if a member has turned off one or more of their email lists, they can turn them back on before the site goes down if they would like to continue participating in the discussions.

I will also use this opportunity to ask if there is any member out there who is tech saavy and would like to learn how the site functions so that they can help with the maintenance (and perhaps upgrading) of the site. The site basically runs on PHP and MySQL on a Unix server.

Introduction to NR_2nd Attempt

 
I was born in Aguascalientes, Ags. but live in Texas,  and from my mother [Eva de Loera] have been able to determine that my maternal grandmother [Maria del Socorro Loera] was born in El Terrero de la Labor c1930 and died 1977 in Ags., and that her mother [Petra Lara Loera] was born c1903 and died 1994 within the same geographical area.  My maternal grandfather [Cesareo de Loera] was also born in El Terrero de la Labor c1925 but i do not know his d.o.b. yet but he died @ 2 years ago.
 
Verbal accounts show that my maternal grandmother was a twin and had at least 5 siblings and that her mother had over 9 siblings all from Ojocaliente or Calvillo area. Their names are as follows:  Arnulfo de Loera, Herminio de Loera, Jesus de Loera, Jose de Loera (died 198?), Samuel de Loera, Hermelinda de Loera, Fidel de Loera (died c1926)
My great-great-grand-father Jose de Loera married (1st marriage) Dominga Luevano [who later died] they had the following children:  Braulio de Loera, Felicitas de Loera, Jesus de Loera (female) , Jose de Loera, Melecio de Loera, Miguel de Loera, Natalia de Loera, Refugio de Loera (female), Victoria de Loera
Jose then married a much younger woman Rosita (Lara???) and had the following children:  Camilo de Loera, Ines de Loera (female), Maclovia de Loera, Paula de Loera, Ramon de Loera, Santos de Loera, Silvestre de Loera
I have not been able to connect any names from the LDS files yet! but have not lost hope.  I was told that there was a fire that destroyed most records from the local registry and have asked several relatives that planned to attend "La Feria de San Marcos" to make time and search local archives.
I've been interviewing several elderly relatives but still do not have actual dates for most names.  My maternal family's name "according to my mother" is de Loera and not Loera.  My paternal surname is Alatorre but I am still trying to determine if from Zacatecas or Aguascalientes.
 
Cordially,
 
Karina Alatorre de Loera

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new file posted

I just posted an updated file of my records on Rootsweb.com. If you enter my uncle " Rito Castanon 1919" it will pull up my personal family tree then you can go to index and search for whatever surname you are researching. The records cover mostly District of Jerez Zacatecas and related areas, Zapotlan El Grande/Ciudad Gusman, Tamazula de Gordiano and other related cities in Jalisco and Chilchota and related cities in Michoacan.

I had to make choices on surname spellings so please check probablilites as well as what you know them to be.

I would have loved to just post in in our Nuestros Ranchos site but the file is too large, this is the best I can do at this time. I have at least 4 films yet to enter and do attempt to udate at least every month or two. I am also willing to share films I've copied if you have a program that works with mine, just let me know and I will forward them to you. I offer this because there are many names copied that never get into my records, hopefully someone is searching for them.

I hope my research can be of use to others as your sharing has helped me.

Linda Castanon-Long in Everett

Introduction to NR: Quintero Del Rio

Hello, My name is America Quintero and I am looking into my fathers family
history. My father says my grandfather was born in Tuxpan Jalisco, he moved
to Monterrey, had a family there and then passed away. His name was
Salvador Quintero Del Rio. I am very interested in knowing my fathers
family history because of a family mystery. My grandfather and my
grandfathers mother both had tattoos of numbers on their arms. They did not
speak of them and hid them by always wearing long sleeves. I hope to find
what I am looking for. Tips and ideas are welcomed.

Thank you,
--
America Quintero Calleros

Microfilm Baptisimal Records

I am ordering up microfilm for baptism records for both Huejucar and Cololan for the mid-1880s.

Some of the dates are overlapped by baptisms "naturales". I am not exactly sure what that means.

Which one is best to order to find all the necessary data: the baptisms, the baptisms "naturales", or should I order BOTH sets to be sure to find the necessary data?

Meeting is SoCal.

Invitation:

You are cordially invited to attend the SoCal meeting. At the present time about 12 members in the Southern California area have expressed their desire to attend.

The month of June is not the ideal time to hold the meeting because members have vacations and graduations that take preference over this meeting.

The meeting is scheduled for Saturday, May 24, 2008. scheduled to start at 10:00 A. M.

It will be held at:

24017 Esmeralda Ct.
Wildomar, CA. 92595
Phone: 951-304-3082
1gnzlz@verizon.net

I recommend that you go to Mapquest.com to see and get a map of the area. GoogleEarth is another source that will also show the exact location.

If you have any questions please contact me directly at 1gnzlz@verizon.net or via the phone number listed above.

I am excited and looking forward to meeting some new members and seeing my "old Primos" again.

I will post a reminder again about one week before the above mentioned date to make sure you don't forget.

Thank you.

John Gonzalez.

Announce Digest, Vol 26, Issue 3

Arturoramos wrote:
> Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 18:06:46 -0700 (PDT)
> From: arturoramos
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Wisconsin Rancheros
> Linda:
>
> There are a number of other Nuestros Ranchos members in Wisconsin.
> You can find them by clicking on "My Account" from the right-hand
> menu and then clicking on "Wisconsin" from your own profile.
>
> Alternatively, you can click on the "Search" button on the upper
> right, click on the "User" tab and then do an advanced search where
> you select "Wisconsin" for under the "State/Province" field.
>
> Good luck!
>
> It is great to see people take the initiative to get together in
> person. I have had the pleasure and fortune of meeting several
> Nuestros Ranchos members in California, Utah and here in DC and it
> has been a wonderful experience each time.

Thank you, Arturo. I did not know this procedure for finding members
in my state. There are only 5 of us and only one other is
researching Tepa. I will contact him.

Thank you
Linda

Invitation

Hi, Primos, Primas, and fellow members:

It has been some time since the Nuestros Ranchos Group members in the Southern California area had a meeting. I have been waiting for somebody to suggest it, but time is flying by and it would be nice if we got together again.

I would like to know if there is enough interest to get together sometime in the very near future, possibly sometime in June. I will be more than glad to host the meeting at my house. I live in Wildomar, just South of Lake Elsinore and North of Temecula.
The date of the meeting can be determined by members submitting a date which is convenient to them. I think a Saturday would be a good day to hold it.

I am looking forward to seeing all of our members again and also I would like to extend the invitation to the new members of the Nuestros Ranchos Group who reside in this area. It is a great opportunity to meet with your fellow researchers and exchange ideas and information.

If you like the idea of getting together again, please submitt a date through this forum or contact me directly: 1gnzlz@verizon.net

More details of the meeting will be made available through this forum as soon as as the final decision is made to have the meeting and a date is set.

Thank you.

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA
1gnzlz@verizon.net

Meeting in Northern CA

>
> Mickey and Joseph,

Anytime you are ready, we'd love to see you attend one of our meetings.

Joseph, filing as a non-profit in California is pretty straight-forward. You
file the appropriate form with the Secretary of State's office and pay
$10.00. That's all there is to it.

Maria

Meeting in Northern CA set for May 17th

Maria

Wish Josie and I could go....maybe next time....say hello to our friends!!

Mickey

In a message dated 4/24/2008 2:38:38 P.M. Central Standard Time,
makas@nc.rr.com writes:

Wow you guys continue to do great things. I want to hear more about
becoming a non-profit. Maybe the nuestrosranchos.org group should do the
same.

and you all know how to honor someone. I'm really not sure when it will
be possible for me to come to one of your meetings but I'll definitely
look forward to it one day. Arturo seems to travel a lot more than I so
maybe he would be able to attend sooner.

thanks again for the compliment of making me and Arturo a "long range
goal" (big grin)

joseph

====================

Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

MariaCortez wrote:
> John and other Nuestros Ranchos members,
>
> You are all cordially invited to attend the next meeting in Northern
California. The meeting is scheduled as follows:
>
> Date of Event: May 17, 2008
> Event time: 10:30 am - 2:30 pm
> Location: Raley's Event Center
> 4900 Elk Grove Blvd.
> Elk Grove, CA
>
> Our group is in the process of formalizing its structure. We are filing
as a non-profit organization called "Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society". We
hope to be a complementary group to Nuestros Ranchos and not to duplicate its
purpose or information. I maintain the distribution list, so if you want to
be notified of future events all you need to do is send me a direct e-mail
and I will add you to the list.
>
> We do not want to restrict membership to Nueva Galicia researchers only
and any serious researcher is welcome to attend our meetings. We will be
adopting Bylaws for our group at the upcoming meeting and will be developing a
website.
>
> Some of our past activities include: have gone on field trips as a group,
discuss research techniques, held picnics, reviewed books, etc. We plan on
setting up a booth at the Festival de la Familia which is held yearly in
Sacramento, CA. Our meetings are lively and is made up of some very talented
individuals. One of our long range goals is to have Joseph and/or Arturo
attend one of our meetings.
>
> John, I will add you to my distribution list and I hope to see you and
other primos and primas at our next meeting. An RSVP one week prior is
appreciated since the meeting room is small, but if necessary I could try to find a
larger room to accomodate everyone.
>
> Maria Cortez

Southern Calif Meeting in June

Hi John
Please keep us posted on a So. Calif meeting. Even thou we are from the Sacramento area, we plan on being down in So. Calif for a wedding on June 28th. Saturday day would not work for us, but a Friday evening, Saturday evening, or a Sunday would work. Even June 21st week-end would work for us since we hope to meet Rich's cousin in San Diego and that date is unsure, since we have to wait for his ship USS Cleveland to come in ( approx Jun 24th).

Rich and Kitty Cortez

Pueblosamerica.com

Gilbert,
Don't expect to find a great deal of information in the Mexican cemeteries. Many graves don't have headstones and some headstones don't have names. The cemeteries are not maintained the way they are in the states. Best way I've found to search is still through the films archived by the LDS Church, order the film for defunciones / Death records and scroll through one record at a time. Most of these films are from the Catholic church's archives.

Alicia,
San Jose, Calif

----- Original Message ----
From: Gilbert Keas
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 10:32:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Pueblosamerica.com

Concerning the link: pueblosamerica.com ...

I was searching for "Nuestra Senora De Los Dolores", Teocaltiche, Jalisco,
Mexico.

Is "Sierrita de los Dolores (La Sierrita)" (near Rio Verde) the same
pueblo/rancho?

Also... Does anyone know of an online source for telephone listings for
Teocaltiche, Jalisco (a city of about 40,000)?
I am trying to plan my trip this early June and would like to locate the
cemeteries in the general area of Teocaltiche.

Thank you...

Gilbert Keas
gkeas@kcbx.net
Researching: Rodriquez, Aguilera, Ynequiz and Vidaurri in the Teocaltiche
area.

Salvador Quintero Del Rio

I have met and read persons Jewish Ashkenazim(sp?) that went to South America in many locations before, during, and after WW II assimilated into their new countries, those I know kept their faith, but it is highly conceivable if in concentration camps they kept their huge secret. I out different have read about different detention camps, I am no expert but Germany I believe was the only tattoo of your description. it was mostly their families that helped them escape or relocate, The Nazi's were helped by the Catholic Church to relocate to South America. You may want to try Holocaust Survivor web sites to see if you find similar stories.

----- Original Message ----
From: America Calleros
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 6:47:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Salvador Quintero Del Rio

Thank you for the advice. I was told that my grandfather (Salvador Quintero
Del Rio) was born in the year 1900 in Tuxpan Jalisco. I am still trying to
find out the exact date of his birth and the names of his parents. I know
that at some point he married my grandmother in Monterrey, Nuevo Leon and
stayed there for the rest of his life. I am not sure if I believe he was
born in Mexico at all to be honest, mostly because of the tattoos he and his
mother carried on their arms. They never spoke of them and hid them, so my
father does not even know what the numbers are, or how many there were.
>From what I understand it was some sort of branding and I don't know much of
anything yet but that to me seemed as if they were in some sort of camp, I
don't think that camps like that existed in Mexico but I could be wrong.
His and her features were very European, according to my mother. I read
some where that there are many Jews in Mexico, especially in Nuevo Leon and
Jalisco, that I did not know and makes wonder if they may have been
imigrants? I don't know if that kind of record would exist or where to even
look for such a thing. I will post more information when I find it. Any
guidance on where to look/search is greatly appreciated. I am planning a
visit to a Latter Day Saints Family Center, even though nothing came up in
their online search.

On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 4:35 PM, arturoramos
wrote:

>
> America:
>
> Welcome to the group. I hope the people in the group can help guide your
> search for information on your father.
>
> These tips are for all other newcomers who are just starting their
> research:
>
> First of all there is almost NOTHING any of us can do without dates (even
> if they are approximate) and place names. You have given us a place name,
> but without knowing your father's approximate dates of birth, marriage, etc.
> we cannot tell you what sources would be appropriate, etc.
>
> Also, you mention your grandmother but don't provide a name nor any dates.
> Please be more precise about the information that you DO have so that we
> can help you go from there. It would be helpful if you could post your
> known genealogy in a standard format in your file folder.

MARTINEZ

Daniel,

Thanks for responding to my question.
Does your Antonio Martinez have any siblings?
What is his birthdate?
What are his parents names and did he ever live in the U.S.?

Hopefully your answers will help me in my research.

I await your reply,
Del

My Cousin Daniel Lopez Jimenez

Joseph, I was really excited that one of my cousins, Daniel Lopez Jimenez, wants to join nuestrosranchos. I know that his wife is Castellanos/Diaz and hopefully bring more info with him. While he presently lives in Iowa, he did live in Jamay for many years, and I am sure his knowledge of areas around Jamay, La Barca, Ocotlan, Guadalajara and other places will be of benefit to us.

====================

Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

Santos Luna wrote:
> pueblosamerica.com
>
> I came upon the above mentioned site, and located some Pueblos/Ranchos that
I had not been able to locate, not only in our area of research, but throughout
the Mexican Republic. I was specifically looking for some locations that were
mentioned in records from the early 1800's.
>
> This is a great resource site for researchers.
>
> Helyn/San Jose, CA
>
>
>
>
>
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Nuestra Senora de los Dolores

Gilbert,

Nuestra Señora De Los Dolores is the main Catholic Parish in Teocaltiche, I don't know if there is also a Rancho of the same name.

Alicia
San Jose, Calif

----- Original Message ----
From: Gilbert Keas
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 10:32:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Pueblosamerica.com

Concerning the link: pueblosamerica.com ...

I was searching for "Nuestra Senora De Los Dolores", Teocaltiche, Jalisco,
Mexico.

Is "Sierrita de los Dolores (La Sierrita)" (near Rio Verde) the same
pueblo/rancho?

Also... Does anyone know of an online source for telephone listings for
Teocaltiche, Jalisco (a city of about 40,000)?
I am trying to plan my trip this early June and would like to locate the
cemeteries in the general area of Teocaltiche.

Thank you...

Gilbert Keas
gkeas@kcbx.net
Researching: Rodriquez, Aguilera, Ynequiz and Vidaurri in the Teocaltiche
area.

Maps of America

Plug in Mexico in the search engine:

15. Charting America: Maps from the Lawrence H. Slaughter Collection and
Others
http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/explore/dgexplore.cfm?topic=…

In 1997, the New York Public Library received a very impressive map
collection from the estate of the late Lawrence H. Slaughter. Four years
later, the remainder of his collection was also given to the Library's Map
Division. It is certainly a tremendous offering, and these maps are offered
as part of the New York Public Library's Digital Gallery site. Visitors to
the site can look over 1000 maps of North America that date from the 16th
century all the way up to the waning years of the 19th century. Users are
free to select from sections that include maps of North America, New York
City, Virginia, and diverse others. A few of the gems offered here include
an early map of the plan for Washington, D.C. and a chart of the West Indies
from 1702. [KMG]

Genealogia de mi Padre (Lopez-Ornelas)

Desde hace tiempo trato de comunicarme con ustedes para ver si me pueden ayudar con alguna informacion sobre mis ancestros. Mi nombre es Esther Jordan (Lopez) y vivo en San Diego, California.

Ahnentafel Chart for Rafael Ornelas Lopez

Second Generation
Felipe Lopez was born 23 Aug 1898 Jamay, Jalisco. He married Carmen
Ornelas 7 Jul 1917. He died 21 Feb and buried 22 Feb, 1989 in Jamay, Jalisco. Carmen Ornelas born on 28 Nov 1900 in Guadalajara, Jalisco.

Third Generation
Jesus Lopez born Rancho La Barca, Jalisco. He married Ruperta Sisneros. He died 30 Oct 1935 in Jamay, Jalisco. Ruperta Sisneros born in Rancho La Barca, Jalisco. She died in Jamay, Jalisco.

Doroteo Ornelas born in Penjamo?, Guanajuato. He married Rosa Cortez.
Rosa Cortez was born in 1881 in Santa Cruz de Astilleros, Jalisco.
Muchas Gracias si pueden o no ayudarme. --Esther Jordan

Fourth Generation
Rafael Lopez was born in Michoacan. He married Maria Guadalupe Velasco.
Maria Guadalupe Velasco was born in Michoacan.
Jose Trinidad Sisneros married Cevera Murillo (Severa).
Santos Cortez born in Santa Cruz, Jalisco. He married Leocadia Garcia de Leon de Santa Cruz de Astilleros
Leocadia Garcia de Leon born in Santa Cruz, Jalisco.

Fifth Generation
Antonio Lopez married Luqarda Aguilar (aka Aguilera).
Manuel Velasco married Estefania Ortega.
Otros nombres por parte de mi mama: Mendoza-Diaz; Gutierrez Vaca Velasquez; Mendoza-Sanchez; Davila-Diaz - todos creo son de Jalisco (Ocotlan, Guadalajara, Atotonilco El Alto; Zapotlan del Rey; Sayula, Portezuelo,y otros.

Research Digest, Vol 27, Issue 10

Good question Miggy. My family is also from Jalos, and we live in the
Sacto area. I recall my father talking about a "Guero Torres." Does
this rink a bell? If so, I can ask my dad for further info. I have de
la Torre in my lines....
Irma Gomez Gutierrez de Lucero

Message: 7
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 22:31:29 -0700
From: "Miggy GUTIERREZ"
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gutierrez y de La Torre
To:
Message-ID:
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Felix, who is Sisto married to and which son do do descend from. I may
have your answers?
----- Original Message -----
From: Felix De La Torre
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gutierrez y de La Torre

Ronnie,

I would be interested in any information concerning the De La Torre
line
from Jalostotitlan. My great Grandfather was Sisto De La Torre and
have
been unable to find any information about him to get things started.

J. Felix De La Torre
Sacramento