TESTAMENTOS MAZAPIL SIGLO XVI

Saludos a todos,

Estoy investigando a un soldado devenido en minero del Real de Minas de San Gregorio de Mazapil, Juan (o Joanes) de Minchaca (o Menchaca), quien fue compañero de Francisco Cano allá por 1568/1569. Por un documento en el Archivo General de Indias sabemos que Juan de Menchaca murió allá por 1594/1595 y dejó testamento.

¿Sabe alguno de Uds. el contacto del cronista de Mazapil y si hay algún repositorio de Testamentos de esa época, que correspondan a esta zona de Zacatecas, en alguna ciudad como Guadalajara ó Zacatecas?

Gracias de antemano por su ayuda,

Bernardo Menchaca Falcón

Dna database that is combining all results in one mayor database

I invite you all to inpout your dna results into this university database to combine all results in one mayor data base, so fart i have one relative identify. As people share their dna this should increase dramaticaly.

www.dna.land

I hope you deside to share the dna result so we all can identify our dna relatives-

Parish records for Toribio, Zacatecas

Hello Everyone:
I'm new to the group and I'm excited to find people researching the same area that I'm researching. I'm looking for Parish records for Toribio, Zacatecas. I found the marriage record for Tomas Moreno, born 1869 and his wife, Florncia Lira, born 1872.The marriage took place in Rio Grande, Zacatecas, but it says they were from Toribio. I've found Parroquia de la Inmaculada Concepcion in Toribio, but on the Parrocos en Calera website, it says this parish started in 1993. I've looked in Family Search for the parish and can't find it. I've also looked in neighboring parish records, to see if it could be combined with another parish, but couldn't find anything there either. Does anyone know where I could find birth or marriage records for Toribio, Calera, Zacatecas prior to 1873?

Thank you,
Madelaine

Marriage of Miguel Martel and Mariana Morales

Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

Could someone help me and tell me what this says about my ancestor Miguel
Martel and his wife Mariana Morales. it seems to say differnt stuff at the
top and doesnt get to the marriage part til close to the end. it even looks
like it says something about California.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-65T9-3G6?i=47&wc=M6QF-2NG%…

Danny C. Alonso

Barrios Minjares de Colotlan jalisco

Hi, after a long time without any clue conserning my Barrios family branch, I had a hint that said that they were from Colotlan Jalisco.
Does any one have in your research José Barrios de Valparaíso married with Donaciana Minjares Sánchez born around 1806, their sons are Luis and Pedro.

Thanks forma your help!

Hola, después de mucho tiempo sin ninguna clave sobre la rama de mi familia Barrios, la clave dice que son de Colotlan Jalisco.
Alguien tiene en su investigación a José Barrios de Valparaíso casada con Donaciana Minjares Sánchez nacida alrededor 1806 y sus hijos son Luis y Pedro .

Muchas gracias.

Petrona Gonzalez de Gardea / Petronila de Retamosa / Petrona Macias

Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

i'm looking for information on the parents, and especially the mother of,
Eugenio Lozano. He married Maria Duran

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6X37-5Z8?cc=1502404

On the information matrimonial it says he is the son of Joseph Lozano and
Petrona Gonzalez de Gardea. I've also seen a Joseph Lozano married to a
Petra Macias and a Petronila de Retamosa and I was wondering if these are
all the same girl and what information is known about her. Does anyone have
her ancestry?

Danny C. Alonso

Veiling

Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

I see on the side of the marriage records sometime it says velados or
velacion or velar and i guess that's the veiling that i seen mentioned
before on the Nuestros Ranchos Forum, but what exactly does that mean? is
it a special ceremony. do they use a veil, why do they call it that?

Danny C. Alonso

Familia Torres in Guadalajara Jalisco

I am looking for my gramas family in Guadalajara Jalisco.

I found her birth record but i am interested in meeting her family, she die when my father was 5 years old and he never meet her family-

If you know any Torres cabrera family in Jslico please let me know i wish to talk to them

Mercedes torres 2 october 1911
Guadalajara Jalisco Mexico

Parents
Guillermo torres
Luisa Cabrera

Paternal Grand parents
Birilo Torres
Severiana Loyasa or Boyasa

Maternal Grandparents
Ignacio Cabrera
Hilaria Perez

Ancestry.com's Mexican Records

Hi Arturo,
I'm replying to you directly and also via the list, just in case this helps anyone else too.
Most of the Mexican records I've come across at Ancestry are indeed duplicates of FamilySearch.org. I know that a lot of what I've seen are "index only" records. I'm not sure if I recall seeing any that include the original digitized record. I should add that I've been doing my Mexican research mostly at FS, so I may not be the best person to answer that particular aspect. As far as I can tell, the Ancestry version of the FamilySearch records seems limited. I could be wrong on this too --hopefully someone will correct me if so.
However, there are other databases of Mexican records in their library. Presumably all the Mexican databases are available during the Dia De Los Muertos promotion. Here is a cut-and-pasted list of those that AREN'T categorized as "Birth, Marriage, Death". It's not a very long list, unfortunately:
U.S., Returns from Military Posts, 1806-1916 Military 3,993,758Jewish Given Name Variations Reference, Dictionaries & Almanacs 721,272 Hispanic Surnames and Family History, 1996 Reference, Dictionaries & Almanacs 341 The Works of Hubert Howe Bancroft Stories, Memories & Histories 31,558 Mexico Historical Postcards (in Spanish) Pictures 12,242 Mexico, European Immigrants to USA Arriving at Vera Cruz, Mexico, 1921-1931 Immigration & Travel 4,438 JewishGen Yizkor Book Master Name Index Stories, Memories & Histories 17,306 An Illustrated history of southern California : embracing the counties of San Diego, San Bernardino, Los Angeles and Orange, an Stories, Memories & Histories 926 World Foreign Gazetteer, Vol. 1 Maps, Atlases & Gazetteers 1,545,127 Coahuila y Texas : desde la consumacion de la independencia hasta el tratado de paz de Guadalupe Hidalgo Stories, Memories & Histories 1,098 Coahuila y Texas en la época colonial Stories, Memories & Histories 756 Nacogdoches, Texas, Spanish and Mexican Government Records, 1729-1836 (in Spanish) Immigration & Travel 15,964 Historical and Genealogical Account of the Family of Vance (Vans, Vaux, and De Vaux) Schools, Directories & Church Histories 46 Journal d'un missionnaire au Texas et au Mexique (in French) Stories, Memories & Histories 490
Sorry that it loses its formatting. The first column is the title of the database, second is the collection type, and the number at the end of each line is the number of records within the database.
Hope this helps you,
Cindy (Barela) Fahrbachemail: genie_research@hotmail.com
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> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 12:04:49 -0400
> From: Arturo Gonzalez
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] You are hereForums / History, Culture
> and General Discussion / Ancestry.com Offers Up 220M Mexican Records
> for Free for D?a de Muertos Ancestry.com Offers Up 220M Mexican
> Records for Free for D?a de Muertos
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> Is there a list of the available Mexico records for Ancestry.com by
> state, municipality, year, etc?
> ...
> I don't have a paid account on Ancestry, but I suspect their records
> are merely duplicates of FamilySearch.org.
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> Please correct me if there's any value to this site for Mexican records.
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> Thanks, Arturo

Ancestry.mx Mexican records

Hello everyone,
I always thought that getting a paid subscription to Ancestry.com was not useful since most of what they have from Mexico you can search for free on Familysearch, but last night I tried their free access offer that other NuestrosRancheros have mentioned and I kept finding record after record that I didn't have. It seems they have indexed a lot or records that Familysearch hasn't indexed yet, or at least hadn't the last time I checked. All the ones I have found so far are civil records from the 20th Century, and I have tied a lot of lose ends. Totally worth it.
Just go to Ancestry.mx, logon with your regular Ancestry.com credentials and see if you find anything interesting. Free access to Mexican records is available until Día de Muertos, Monday November 2nd.
Have a nice search!
Victoriano Navarro

Alonso

Danny as promised here are some of the Alonsos
the first Ceria Alonso (LKM3-SXQ) daughter of Ricardo Alonso and Maria Mercedes Lopes
sister of Maria de Grasia Lopes who in her second marriage married Cruz Alonso.they are in the 1930 census in Azogueros, Salinas, SLP.

The third important Alonso is Petra Alonso 1760 (LKYS-XJK)married to Manuel Rodriguez. I hit a brick wall.

Hope you can help me. Thanks,

Ancestry.com Offers Up 220M Mexican Records for Free for Día de Muertos

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Researching De Alba and Cervantes of Jalisco, Mexico

I have been working on this line for many years, but hit a brick wall a couple of years ago with extending the family lines back further. Here is the marriage record that is the last of the documented information on the family:

Francisco Cervantes married Maria de Alva on 15 Oct 1614 in Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, México. His father is listed as Pedro Cervantes, no mother listed. Her parents were listed as Alonso de Alva and Leonor de Retamosa. Anyone familiar or connected with this lines, I would be happy to exchange notes or data. You can contact me at juanik979@att.net. Thanks

FW: Somos Primos November 2015

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From: mimilozano@somosprimos.com [mailto:mimilozano@somosprimos.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 1:15 AM
To: mimilozano@aol.com
Subject: Somos Primos November 2015

http://somosprimos.com/sp2015/spnov15/spnov15.htm

Dear Primos, Friends, and Family:

The month of November, a wonderful reminder about what is important in
life: family and friends.
If we are also enjoying good health, we are indeed blessed.

This year, I have even more reasons to be grateful; an important west coast heritage project has successfully come together and resulted in a Unit of Study which will enlarge historic understanding of the Spanish/Mexican colonizers in a more positive, inclusive manner.

Historically, the interrelationships between the early California native tribes and the Spanish colonizers in California has not been presented with respect for both sides.

Demeaning the natives and demonizing the Spanish clearly reinforced the American Manifest Destiny perspective of California as an uncivilized wilderness in need and deserving of invasion.

Debuting November 5th at an event at the Heritage Museum of Orange County is a 4th Grade Unit of Study prepared by Santa Ana Unified School District, CA, Common Core Curriculum specialists, Marta Moyer and Jennifer Wood:

California Bilingual Constitution, 1849.

Big Idea (Enduring Understanding) : This is the goal . .
Native Californians, Californios, and newly arriving immigrants joined together in giving structure and shape to California.
Essential Questions: Children will be discussing . . .
1. Prior to the 1850s, why did CA attract a diverse population?
2. How did internal and external factors affect the culture and economics of CA?
3. How were the contributions of the Spanish and Mexican people validated in the creation of the CA Constitution?

Among other discussions, the unit includes the traditional Spanish/Mexican laws observing women's legal and property, and anti-slave laws which proceeded those of the United Sates.

As you know Somos Primos is divided by location and subject to
facilitate speed reading for busy readers. Although the Unit of Study,
California Bilingual Constitution, 1849 is about California history, the its coastal location, and the presence of gold profoundly affected U.S.
the westward movement, California and its people need to be understood.

For too long the East Coast perspective of the building of our nation has dominated the general sentiments. Our ancestor's contributions have been ignored. It is needful for their contributions to be honored. I am thankful to be able to say that this Unit of Study moves in that direction.

Read more about how the Unit was developed, who is responsible, and about the November 5th meeting in California. If you have primos and friends who live in Southern California, they may want to attend.

God bless America, and enjoy the activism of your primos.
Mimi

TABLE OF CONTENTS

UNITED STATES
Celebrating the Hispanic Legacy of Valor during Hispanic Heritage Month Celebrating California's Birthdate, written and illustrated by Eddie Martinez América Española by José Antonio López To those Latinos who can't speak Spanish by John Paul Brammer Pew Spanish Language Future

What's Wrong with this Picture? By Ray John de Aragon La Leyenda Negra, Series 4, By Felipe de Ortego y Gasca
"That One May Smile and Smile and be a Villain [Still]"
Labor Day passed here without fanfare by Herman Sillas LULAC and Orgullosa Celebrate Latina's Contributions to American

Linda Mazon Gutierrez: 2015 Phoenix Advocate of the Year by LATINA Style Audrey Esparza, newcomer to primetime Mexican Animated, Un Gallo' Con Muchos Huevos Racks Up Big in Box Office The Latino Lens, National Association of Latino Independent Producers Oscar Manuel Laurel from Laredo, Texas, distinguished career Truth Bomb: Disastrous Economic "Recovery" By Jason W. Stevens Latinas & Success: 14 inspiring professional Latinas share principles to succeed

HERITAGE PROJECTS
Three Rivers eager to whitewash civil rights watershed by Elaine Ayala
562 federally-recognized tribes
Juana, You Will Always Live . . .Author Paul. O. Briones Newest educational initiative from the TSHA, WEBINARS Past Forward, A Conference of the National Trust for Historic Preservation New leadership at Presente.org.
Cuenta Conmigo Fundraising campaign

HISTORIC TIDBITS
Japanese Surrender - Amazing Footage Sept 2, 1945.
The American civil war, then and now
La vuelta a España de Cuba, Puerto Rico y Filipinas September 29th, 1856 -- First Polish Church in American Consecrated October 1st, 1837 -- General Texas Land Office opens Session Recordings from 2015 National Rosenwald Schools Conference Killing Zapata Celebrations of the 500 years Fundación Puerta de América

HISPANIC LEADERS
Louise Ano Nuevo Kerr, Pioneer Chicana Historian 1938-2015
Latino Muralist 'Antonio Ramos' 1988-2015 Alex Nieto, Native American Activist 1977 - 2015
Yolie Hernandez, una Comadre October 7, 2015
Larry Kirkpatrick, Texas Historian and Researcher 1943 - 2015

LATINO PATRIOTS
Worn Out Flags and Eyesore for Vetsy Dianne de Guzman Tortillas in Vietnam, all in 1968 by Luis Ramirez Borinqueneers Congressional Gold Medal Alliance

EARLY LATINO PATRIOTS
Order of Granaderos y Damas de Gálvez in Washington, D.C.
Heritage Project: Bernardo de Gálvez Statue Plaza.
Spanish Adelantados, not Conquistadores

Loma Larga (Ocotlan), Jalisco *and* Aguascalientes photos

Does anyone in this group known anything of Loma Larga in Jalisco? It is near Ocotlan. It has shown up on some of the baptismal/birth records in one of my lines. I've googled it but am finding very little online about the place, so I'm hoping someone here might know more about the place or point out where I might be able to learn more. To be more specific, I'm interested in learning about the history of the place not the current situation there.
Also, during my internet surfing I ran across someone selling some historical photos of Aguascalientes. I'm sharing the link in case anyone here would be interested. As far as I can tell this is still an active offer that was posted in June (but keep in mind that my spanish is limited):http://area1.doplim.com.mx/vendo-coleccion-de-tarjetas-postales-antigua…

Cindy (Barela) Fahrbach
email: genie_research@hotmail.com
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Texas Manifest Coding

Has anyone researched the coding notation on a Texas Manifest written years later on the same manifest? I'm curious as to what this means ( see bottom writing on attachment). I'm hoping it means my grandfather was alive all through 1954. The last record I found of him is dated 1919.

912/3 121: I - 404 lwn - San Antonio 9/15/52

I have similar coding on the bottom of my grandmother's 1919 manifest listing a date of 1932 and "Dallas".... and she was actually living in Dallas at that particular time noted.

Great-grands in Spanish

Hi,
I know that great-grandfather/mother is bisabuelo/a in Spanish, but what is the proper way for saying, for example, 3rd great-grandfather? Or third time great-grandfather? (GGG-grandfather) I'd like to send a message to a potential cousin and my limited spanish vocabulary doesn't reach that far. I wasn't able to find it in my spanish-english dictionary.
Google translate is suggesting: tres veces bisabuelo. Is that correct?
Thanks in advance!

Cindy (Barela) Fahrbach
email: genie_research@hotmail.com
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Research Digest, Vol 117, Issue 20 gratis great father

Hi Cindy:

First come your padre than follow abuelo, bisabuelo, tratará-abuelo, tratará-tratara-abuelo and than add a tratara after each generation. Each tatara indicates a further generation.

Great father = abuelo
Great great father = bisabuelo
Great great great father = tratara abuelo = padre del bisabuelo
Great great great great father = tratara tatara abuelo = abuelo del bisabuelo

I read that after the tratará-abuelo follow chozno, but I think there ist a word that we mexican can generally do not understand.

Cheers,

Martha

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Dias de la Huerta

I can only make out the names of Francisco Dias de Huerta y Juana Lopez de ???
father Sebastian Dias de Huerta is married to Ana ????

And Juana's Parents are Francisco Lopez de ??? with Felipa Gutierrez de Guanajuato

The following is the IM of 1698. Does anyone know their names? I couldn't find them in Familysearch. Thanks!!

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-B7TH-G?cc=1804458&wc=3PS9-…