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Encounter informacion sober Melchor Perez de la Torre ,padre de Catalina Mejia de la Torre casada con mi ancestro directo Pedro de Ledezma, Melchor Perez de la Torre ,hijo de Don Diego Perez de la Torre juez de reciedencia bajo Don Nuño de Guzman el conquistador y primer gobernador de Nueva Galicia y lo sucedio a Don Nuño de Guzman como el segundo gobernador de Nueva Galicia.
Melchor Perez de la Torre casado con su Esposa legitima Maria Alvarez, tuvieron tres hijas, Catalina Mejia de la Torre casada con Pedro de Ledezma,

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> I have not researched the De Leon in my direct line. Maternal 7th Great
> Grandmother Rosalia De Leon (abt 1650) married Sebastian Coronado (abt 1650
> in Aguascalientes) they had several children including Nicolas Coronado de
> Leon who married Antonia Gonzales de la Vega. Hope it helps a little.
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> On familysearch.org you can find this juan Antonio married to Rivas 3 of the
> children were born in san felipe and 1 (questionable child) was born in san
> luis potosi. There are others names juan Antonio (9NS1-S7P BORN 1695),
> K862-39S born 1703 and M9CJ-P5X born in 1697. my relatives are Juan Gallegos
> de Cabrera MGM2-N78 born 1659 married to Petra Marmolejo. they have a son
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I am researching Maria de los Angeles Carvajal. Just saw her name last night, from the new records at Ancestry.Com
b ~1800-1811
d. April 3, 1873 at Hacienda Mirador, Valparaiso, Zacatecas
The death registry reports she is the daughter of Trinidad Carvajal and Andrea Rodriguez.
Married to Francisco Pasillas.

Thank you to all the indexers!

I have hit a brick wall for several months. I'm trying to find information about my 6th great grandfather Juan Antonio Gallegos (born abt 1690 - 1700) and his wife Antonia De Ribas. I have found several of their sons and daughters, including my 5th great grandfather, Miguel Deonicio Gallegos; they all were baptized in San Felipe, Guanajuato and born in La Quemada, Guanajuato and El Estano, Guanajuato. Any help will be greatly appreciated.

There is this document reference number: CONTRATACION,5360,N.81

For Pars: http://www.archivesportaleurope.net/web/guest

It has a testamento that starts Imagen 25 for Pedro Dias De Llano, who is of Asturias, that passed away at Villa De Llerenas of Sombrerete, Zacatecas, Mexico.

It is the year 1606 Pasajero de Indias documdent for "Joan De Angon" on the very top of first page there is a line which has the name of the ship he traveled on which says:

"En La Noa............"

I can make out the other words which is the name of the ship. "Noa" is the class of ship. so that is how I know right away it is talking about the name of the ship he traveled on.

Here is a copy of first page:

http://oi58.tinypic.com/rsbqeo.jpg

The link:

http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas/servlets/Control_servlet?accion=3&&t…

Reference number for Pars website: CONTRATACION,5295,N.10

http://www.archivesportaleurope.net/web/guest

I have another way to find the name of the ship where Joan De Angon traveled on.

You can do a search for "Lista De Pasajeros" and add the year 1606 in the Pars website.

When you do a search for "Lista De Pasajeros" in Pars. It gives you a number of documents that contains names of ships and lists of names of people that was on board each ship.

Maria was to marry Jose Serapia Escalante vuido de Juana Juliana Monsebais but she passed before the six month penance was given for primer grado. I couldn't read exactly how it was primer grado but it sounded as if she had had an illicit relationship before not sure with whom. Thanks for the help

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15239-47745-59?cc=1804458 : accessed 17 October 2015), Pinos > San Matías > Información matrimonial 1799 > image 10 of 608; paróquias Católicas, Zacatecas (Catholic Church parishes, Zacatecas).

Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

I found the Will of my ancestor Beatriz de Mayorga on the Aguascalientes site and it mentions her son my direct ancestor Joseph Martin de Sotomayor. Could someone possibly tell me what it says about Joseph Martin de Sotomayor. I put giant yellow parenthesis around the passage.

Danny C. Alonso

I'm looking for the baptism of an illegitimate child that was probably
baptized in Cuquio around 1785 -1790. His name was Atanacio, son of
Felipa, and the last name might have not been given, or if given, it
was probably Peres, Rivera, Velasquez, or Gonzalez. Atanacio might
have been listed as Indio or mestizo.

It seems that the only available films are are for legitimate children
(e.g., "Bautismos 1772-1788" & "Bautismos 1789-1796").

Does anyone know illegitimate births were included in other Cuquio
church books, or perhaps went to another town for such a baptism?

Arturo G

I am trying to go further on my Chavez family. I hope any of these names sound familiar to someone out there. My ancestor Cesario Chávez married Maria Paula Lopez y Ayon in Ameca on 17 September 1800. Through his marriage certificate I found he was born around 1762 in a place called Valle de Huejucar which I found, thanks to info from other members, is the same place as today’s Calvillo, Aguascalientes. His parents are mentioned as José María Chávez and María de la Encarnación Velasco. I haven’t been able to find his baptism certificate from that time since the records from Calvillo don’t go that far back.

On the other hand, I found two baptism records from nearby Tabasco, Zacatecas who may be Cesario’s sisters:

Luisa Feliciana Chavez, born in “el puesto del Capulin”, baptized on 1 sep 1748. Her parents were Joseph Chavez and Maria Velasco.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15087-18372-13?cc=1804458&wc…

Jospha Maria Gregoria Chavez, born in “Ojo Caliente”, baptized on 27 apr 1754. Her parents were Joseph de Chavez and Ma. de la Encarnacion Velasco. Guejucar, aka Calvillo, is also mentioned in this record.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15087-19620-14?cc=1804458&wc…

I assume Ojo Caliente is the same place found near Calvillo, but what about El Capulin? Is there a location with that name in that area?

Are there other parishes in the area where I should look as well during this time period?

While browsing in Ameca, I found a marriage record for Jose Maria Chavez and Maria Rita Vitalia Alvarez on 15 may 1790. He is mentioned to be from Jalpa and born around 1768 and has the same parents as my ancestor Cesario Chavez and the two girls previously mentioned:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18566-73201-19?cc=1874591&wc…

Unfortunately, I just realized that there are no records of Jalpa for that time period, either. Am I getting out of luck? I will appreciate any advice.

Steve in NC

I am trying to go further on my Chavez family. I hope any of these names sound familiar to someone out there. My ancestor Cesario Chávez married Maria Paula Lopez y Ayon in Ameca on 17 September 1800. Through his marriage certificate I found he was born around 1762 in a place called Valle de Huejucar which I found, thanks to info from other members, is the same place as today’s Calvillo, Aguascalientes. His parents are mentioned as José María Chávez and María de la Encarnación Velasco. I haven’t been able to find his baptism certificate from that time since the records from Calvillo don’t go that far back.

On the other hand, I found two baptism records from nearby Tabasco, Zacatecas who may be Cesario’s sisters:

Luisa Feliciana Chavez, born in “el puesto del Capulin”, baptized on 1 sep 1748. Her parents were Joseph Chavez and Maria Velasco.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15087-18372-13?cc=1804458&wc…

Jospha Maria Gregoria Chavez, born in “Ojo Caliente”, baptized on 27 apr 1754. Her parents were Joseph de Chavez and Ma. de la Encarnacion Velasco. Guejucar, aka Calvillo, is also mentioned in this record.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15087-19620-14?cc=1804458&wc…

I assume Ojo Caliente is the same place found near Calvillo, but what about El Capulin? Is there a location with that name in that area?

Are there other parishes in the area where I should look as well during this time period?

While browsing in Ameca, I found a marriage record for Jose Maria Chavez and Maria Rita Vitalia Alvarez on 15 may 1790. He is mentioned to be from Jalpa and born around 1768 and has the same parents as my ancestor Cesario Chavez and the two girls previously mentioned:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18566-73201-19?cc=1874591&wc…

Unfortunately, I just realized that there are no records of Jalpa for that time period, either. Am I getting out of luck? I will appreciate any advice.

Steve in NC

the topic was maria Delgado

Maria was to marry Jose Serapia Escalante vuido de Juana Juliana Monsebais but she passed before the six month penance was given for primer grado. I couldn't read exactly how it was primer grado but it sounded as if she had had an illicit relationship before not sure with whom. Thanks for the help

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15239-47745-59?cc=1804458 : accessed 17 October 2015), Pinos > San Matías > Información matrimonial 1799 > image 10 of 608; paróquias Católicas, Zacatecas (Catholic Church parishes, Zacatecas).

Good Afternoon Community Members,

One of the reasons I joined this community recently is to improve the way I perform my research, which I am happy to say has improved since I joined. Yet, I still have questions which might be answered by the collective wisdom of the community. Some of these may have been asked and already asnwered, but I ask in ignornace.

Here are my questions:

In researching christening records, I have noticed the occasional listing with only a mother's name listed/captured. I would think this is obviously a situation where a child is being born out of wedlock or some other related situation. However, I noticed yesterday, the same mother had 3 different kids over a period of 7 or 8 years with no father named (No relation to me).

Is there something else at work here or is it just a situation where a woman is having children out of wedlock? Is there something else we can gleam from seeing this trend? Thoughts/Opinions???

In working with the familysearch.org website, I have noticed lots of indexes where a film number is captured, but no image is available.

Does this mean the image is available through some other resource, such as through one of the LDS Family Research centers?

What is the relative research value of familysearch.org vs. an LDS Family Research Center? Is more information/resources available though one of the research centers vs the website?

Thank you, in advance, for your thoughts and input.

I had found in Pars:

Francisco Sanchez Tagle who was in the phillipines. Reference number:

INDIFERENTE,145,N.82 On imagen 3 and also on imagen 20 it states he is brother of Andres Joseph Tagle:

http://oi57.tinypic.com/2ym7nk8.jpg
http://oi59.tinypic.com/2aet95e.jpg

Andres Joseph Sanchez Tagle who was in Zacatecas. Reference number:

INDIFERENTE,143,N.136

Starting on imagen 21 of Andres Joseph Tagle it has the geneology of all the Tagles.

Hola Amigos,
Busco a PETRONA DE LOS SANTOS FREGOSO. vivio entre 1690 y 1750 en Guachinango, Amatlan, Ameca y/o Ahualulco. Se caso con un SEBASTIAN JARAMILLO.
Los unicos FREGOSO que he encontrado en estos rumbos desendientes de Leonardo Fregoso, principalmente son hijos de Domingo.
Hay rastros de ellos en Guachinango, pero nada de Petrona (Petra)
He encontrado bautizos de nietos de Leonardo en caso que alguien le interese.
¿Alguien tiene algun dato que me pueda compartir co respecto a esta mujer?

Saben de donde venian los gambusimos de esta epoca que se asentaron en esta region minera? Amatlan de Canas, Autlan, Guachinango...

Todo lo mejor!
Veronica Rodriguez

Ayer revisando los archivos de Bodas de Zapopan, jalisco encontre la boda entre Joseph Antonio Alvarez Murguia(Zapotlan hoy Zapotlanejo) con Juana Maria de LLamas del Puesto de San Juanito cerca de San Cristobal de La Barranca donde Joseph Antonio habia residido por 2 años desde 1769 aproximadamente. Sus padres fueron Lorenzo Alvarez y Josepha Murguia de Zapotlanejo, Jalisco.

Revisando a los hermanos de Joseph Antonio encontre a mi tatatatarabuelo Joseph Severino Alvarez o en los registros de Sn Cristobal que estan a partir de 1792 (bodas) aparece primero como Jose Seberino y posteriormente como Jose Zeferino.

Si alguna persona conoce los padres de Lorenzo Alvarez y su procedencia estare muy agradecido

QUERY - NAVARRO

NAVARRO is my single biggest (and seemingly) unsurmountable "brick wall" line (with one secondary known line: Padilla). I've posted an overview of my Navarro grandfather in my ancestry in my folder here: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/CindyF

Here are the details for this line:
My grandfather Jose Sarabia* Navarro, Jr. was born in Guadalajara, Jalisco probably between 1909-1910. At his February, 1935 marriage he gives his age as 25 at last birthday. In September, 1941 on his daughter's birth certificate he is listed as 31 years old. He gives his parents names as Jose Navarro and Maria Luisa Padilla both born in Jalisco, Mexico per his marriage record. On the 1941 birth certificate, it says he had lived in California for 20 years.

*The "Sarabia" in his name only appears on daughter Carmen's birth certificate and divorce papers (he has an aka on divorce papers of Joe Sarabia Navarro).

I have only one photo of my grandfather --his 1935 marriage portrait with my nana. Unfortunately, I don't know if he had any siblings, nor do I know anything else about his origins or his family. The family story is that he abandoned my nana and his children after my mom mom was born in 1941, and returned to Mexico. (I've never found him on a Federal Census either. However, he does show up in a couple of city directories.)

I spent a couple of hours last night and the better part of today wading through civil registration films at Family Search and have not yet found Jose.

So, if you know anything about this individual or family, I'd appreciate and info or leads. I'm not done going through the films, but I'm going to give my eyes a break and spend some time researching "breaking thru brick walls" to see if I can get any ideas of how to proceed. By the way the overview document I uploaded also lists my current sketchy research plan.

Thanks in advance for your insights!

CindyF

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15246-1341-95?cc=1804458&wc=…

Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

does anyone know what it means on Maria Tiscarenos funeral when they talk
about the avito of don Franco

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12142-73876-41?cc=1502404&…

Danny C. Alonso

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Is anyone familiar with Luis Lópes Suáres? My family is descended various times from him and his wife Catarina de la Cruz (maybe Hernándes). I just stumbled upon a marriage certificate from 11 February 1673 (in Aguascalientes) that I think was probably a first marriage to Mariana Sepulbeda, because it gives the names of Luis' parents as Juan Lópes and Josefa Xuáres. I am very excited about going back one more generation, but I can find absolutely no mention of anyone in this family before the 1673 marriage.

I do know that Luis died before 1729 - the date of a marriage of a daughter Maria Josefa from the second marriage. I cannot find the marriage to Catarina, but there is a baptismal certificate for sons Bentura (1716) and Simon (1724). There is also a record for a son from the first marriage - Gabriel (1682).

Many of the early records for this family give the surname Xuáres or Juáres, but all of Luis' sons started using Suáres.

Here is the link for the marriage with Mariana - it's the middle record on the right: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12446-30482-34?cc=1502404&…

I am looking for Fernando De La Campa y Cos who supposedly was in Sombrerete, Zacatecas, Mexico in 1693. He was born in Burgos, Spain in 1676.

At 1693 that would make him 17 years old and I haven't ran across any documents to mention him to see what he was doing. I know that his older brother Antonio De La Campa y Cos was a Capitan of the District of Sombrerete in 1675. By 1693, he could have been a General.

I am wondering if Fernando De La Campa y Cos was a soldier in the company of his older Antonio De La Campa y Cos to learn and take over when he got older.

That is why I want to find a registry of the military in the region if Fernando De La Campa y Cos is on that list. My guess he would be under the command of his older brother.

QUERY - OROZCO

OROZCO is one of my "brick wall" lines. I've posted an overview of this individual in my folder here: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/CindyF

Here are the details for this line:
My 2nd gr-grandmother Maria Dolores Orozco was born in Tototlan, Jalisco in August 1895, probably the third child of Rafael Orozco (Orosco) and Manuela Vargas (Bargas). She came to the USA in November 1926 with her children to join her husband Jose Jimenez Jimenez who was already in Los Angeles, CA.

Their family group looks something like this (probable family members but not 100% sure on any of this):

PARENTS
Rafael Orozco, b. abt. 1868 in probably Jalisco
m. Manuela Vargas, b. abt. 1868 in probably Jalisco
Married in abt 1888 probably Jalisco

CHILDREN:
1. Piedela Orozco, f, b. abt. 1890 in Mexico
2. Maria de Jesus Orozco, f, b. abt. 1891 in possibly Tototlan, Jalisco, Mexico
3. Maria Dolores Orozco, f, b. 9 Aug 1895 in Tototlan, Jalisco, Mexico
4. Manuel Orozco, m, b. poss bet 1897-1910 in Mexico
5. Salvador Orozco, m, b. abt. 1912 in possiby Tototlan, Jalisco, Mexico
6. possibly Delfina Orozco, f

All names come from interviews with my grandmother and grandaunt before they passed away. Family oral tradition also states that Salvador was a guitar maker. He may also have been part of a symphony orchestra. One of the sons may have settled in the Chicago area of Illinois.

I have a couple of photos of her at different ages. I have one photo of Salvador who was considerably younger than she was (he was about the same age as her eldest daughter).

I have been unable to find vital records for this family, other than Maria Dolores' death certificate, issued in California. However, I'm in possession of a copy of an immigration document she brought with her from Mexico, "servicio de migracion", that gives her birthdate and place. I've been unable to locate church baptismal/marriage records at FamilySearch. Critical years are simply missing from the available films, much to my frustration. (BTW, does anyone have idea why some years are missing? Might they just not be online, but still available elsewhere?)

I'd appreciate leads or information from anyone who might know more about any of these individuals. Also, I'm going to be in Salt Lake City in November and will have a few precious hours to visit the family history library. So, I'm also looking for suggestions of what sorts of things to search out while I'm there.

Thanks!

CindyF

I'm looking at the parish records of Guachinango, Jalisco. Some of the older entries and books belong to a place called Real y Minas de San Joaquin. I'm not very familiar with the geography of this area. Is there a place around Guachinango or Mascota named San Joaquin? I understand that there used to be a mine in Guachinango, but I haven't been able to locate San Joaquin.

My ancestors Simon Thadeo Fregoso and Maria Margarita de Barreda married there on February 9, 1765. Simon's parents were Domingo Fregoso and Beatriz de Hijar Bracamonte from this parish. Margarita's parents were Antonio de Barreda and Margarita Navarro from Ayo el Chico.

I wonder if Simon Fregoso has any relationship to the Chavez Fregoso from los Altos. I googled Hijar Bracamonte and I'm learning the story of this family and how it began with first conquistadores of Nueva Galicia. Now I just need to find the link between my Beatriz and the Hijar Bracamonte from the history books.

Steve in NC

I am looking for Fernando De La Campa y Cos who supposedly was in Sombrerete, Zacatecas, Mexico in 1693. He was born in Burgos, Spain in 1676.

At 1693 that would make him 17 years old and I haven't ran across any documents to mention him to see what he was doing. I know that his older brother Antonio De La Campa y Cos was a Capitan of the District of Sombrerete in 1675. By 1693, he could have been a General.

I am wondering if Fernando De La Campa y Cos was a soldier in the company of his older Antonio De La Campa y Cos to learn and take over when he got older.

That is why I want to find a registry of the military in the region if Fernando De La Campa y Cos is on that list. My guess he would be under the command of his older brother.