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Hi,

It has been a long time since I posted here. I have been researching since 2012. I have been off researching the Torres/Estraca side of my family, but recently I returned to researching the Valdes side of the family. I knew from my grandfather's death certificate that he had been born in San Luis Postosi and his parents were Pedro Valdes and Mateana Sandate. I had been researching Mexquitic de Carmona. Everything had been going well in this search. I had found Mateana's and Pedro's civil marriage record and their informational record. I had found my grandfather Pilar's baptismal record (with the birthdate that is on the death certificate)and his civil birth registration and I had even been able to go back as two and even 3 generations on both the Valdes and Sandate lines. I had found the children of Pedro and Mateana and some of the marriages and deaths. Then just the other day I came upon a death certificate for Pilar Valdes son of Pedro Valdes and Mateana Sandate at the age of 5 years of age. I have never come across another record for another Pedro Valdes/ Mateana Sandate linking. So, this really depresses as it seems I spent the last 3 years researching the wrong family. Of course, my Spanish is not the greatest, but in my research I have learned to pick out the main information from a record and I think besides sometimes confusing the colonial letters g's p's r's o's and h's I think I've done pretty good. My beggies problem is not being able to find a marriage record for Pilar Valdes and Romona Tobar. Family talk has always been that my great grandmother Romona was Indian of the Yaqui nation, but no one had anything to prove it. Other than talk about the india`.

So, the reason for my long post is this question--Has anyone ever found a death record for a relative that was still alive?

Thanks,
Juanita

This is a bit off topic, but does anyone know if the Guadalajara dispenses have dispensations for marriages in Guanajuato & Michoacan? My family spans Jalisco & Guanajuato, and I want to know the extent to which I can use the dispenses.

Thanks,

Jaime Trexo

To Sergio Gutierrez Molina

Your book just arrived today. Instead of starting with the beginning, I flipped to page 157 in the middle of the book and immediately recognized my greatgrandparents Eligio Romo and Francisca Gutierrez. I turned to the next page to find their son Emeterio Romo Gutierrez, the horse whisperer who broke Pancho Villas world famous horse. Emeterio is my great grand father. You did an excellent job writing on our family.

Thanks again for writing this book.
R A Ricci

Aguien tiene los padres de esta pareja, vecinos de San Miguel(de los Alba), casada en Aguascalientes el 5 de junio de 1719. En el registro del matrimonio no aparecen sus padres.
Andres y Maria Teresa tuvieron por hijos, al menos a:
-Francisco Antonio.- Sepultado el 6 mayo 1729, de 3 dias de edad, en Aguascalientes.
-Francisco Antonio(otro).- bautizado abr 1737 en Aguascalientes Y casado con Maria de los Dolores Gonzalez Rubio y Lomelin, el 9 de octubre de 1768 en Santa Maria de los Lagos).
-Joseph Joaquin.- Bautizado el 11 abr 1728 en Aguascalientes, y casado con Eufrasia -Antonia Rubio de Monroy y Martinez de Basurto el 8 de enero de 1755 en el mismo lugar
-Miguel Geronimo.- bautizado el 22 de oct 1731 en Aguascalientes.
-Magdalena.- bautizada el 16 de febrero de 1724 en Aguascalientes.

Gracias.

Alguien sabe en donde se hacian los registros de bautizo antes de 1811?

Hola primos y primas,

My g7's are Francisco de Alba and Maria Ygnes Ximenes, who lived on Matanzas, near Ojuelos de Jalisco, as late as 1732. They had at least 3 children:

a. Ysidoro de Alba-Ximenes, m.Juana Maria de Nava, 25 Aug 1732, Limpia Concepcion, Cienega de Mata, Ojuelos, Jal.
b. Felipa de Alba-Ximenes, d. 05 May 1720, Pinos, Zac. Parbula de Matanzas.
c. Joseph de Alba-Ximenes, d. 19 Dec 1787, Cienega de Mata, Ojuelos, Jal. Adulto de 60 años (b. 1727), soltero, vecino de Letras. Said he was age 30 when testigo in 1764 (b 1734).

Maria Ygnes Ximenes was still alive when daughter Felipa died in 1720, and was deceased when son, Ysidoro, married in 1732.

I can find no marriage record for Francisco de Alba and Maria Ygnes Ximenes in Señor San Jose Ojuelos, Cienega de Mata-Ojuelos, nor San Matias Pinos (nor baptism records for their children), so they likely married and had their children elsewhere. My guess is San Miguel de los Albas, in Encarnacion.

FRANCISCO DE ALBA & MARGARITA DOMINGUEZ DE REYNA

In the meantime, the only Francisco de Alba I can find living in the Ojuelos/Pinos area, during this same timeline, was the son of Alonso de Alba and Jacinta Ximenes, baptized 12 Nov 1674 in Teocaltiche. He married Margarita Dominguez de Reyna, 16 Feb 1711, Pinos, Zac. Margarita Dominguez died a year later, 29 Mar 1712, giving birth to their only son, Salvador de Alba (b 18 May 1712, Pinos).

I think the 2 Francisco de Alba's are the same person, and that he married Maria Ygnes Ximenes en 2o's, and here's why:

Salvador de Alba-Dominguez married Josefa Baltasara de Espino. They had a son named Jose Andres de Alba, who married Rosalia de Alba. These 2 were dispensed 09 May 1790, Pinos, Zac, at 2o grado consanguinidad, because Rosalia de Alba was hija natural of Xaviera de Alba (deceased), the SISTER of Salvador de Alba. Unless she was born before Francisco de Alba and Margarita Dominguez de Reyna married, Xaviera de Alba would have to have a different mother. Dispensa, Jose Andres de Alba con Rosalia de Alba: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6535-BC?wc=3J4S-C68

My theory is, as many men would do, when finding themselves widowers w/ children, Francisco de Alba married Maria Ygnes Ximenes, shortly after the death of his first wife, Margarita Dominguez de Reyna. I just haven't been able to find any marriage records in Pinos/Ojuelos to verify this. I think Francisco went back to San Miguel to marry and have his children, but I am totally lost in those archives (San Miguel appears to shift jurisdictions, over the years).

Would any of you, who are familiar with the Alba's in Encarnacion, have any suggestions for me, as to where to look? Any assistance would be appreciated.

Additional notes:

When Ysidoro de Alba. married in 1732, his age is given as 24, placing his birth around 1708. This wouldn't work with the timeline, since Francisco de Alba and Margarita de Reyna were married in 1711 - unless, he was born illegitimately and later legitimized, or, he was born later, which is my opinion (I've noticed that ages given on IMs seldom correspond with baptism records). He was likely born around 1713-14. IM Ysidoro de Alba con Juana Maria Lopez (de Nava): https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-JZ3K-1?wc=3JHJ-7MS

Rosalia de Alba had a brother named Manuel de Alba, who gave his permission for Rosalia to marry Andres de Alba. He is probably the same Manuel de Alba who was baptized 27 Jun 1741, on San Nicolas de Quixas, San Matias, Pinos, hijo expuesto de Maria de Alba and padre no conocido; padrinos were Francisco de Alba (who wasn't present at the font) and Maria de Guadalupe. Baptism, Joseph Manuel de Alba: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-Y5JR-H?wc=3P9T-GP6

Gracias y saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

When I was in Spain some years ago I bought an "escudo" for my godfather whose surname was Perea.

It says: PEREA - Apellido vasco, su casa solar primitiva radico en Beotegui, ayuntamiento de Ayala, partido judicial de Amurrio en Alava. Probo su nobleza en las ordenes de Santiago (1688), Calatrava (1678) y San Juan de Jerusalen (1579) y en la real chancilleria de Valladolid (1784).
ARMAS - escudo partido: primero en campo de oro, dos leopardos, al natural. Segundo, en campo de plata, tres bandas de azur, cargada cada una de tres besantes, de oro.
Textos: nobiliario Espanol Julio de Atienza y Vicente de Cadenas y Vicent.

Thank you in advance

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

During the time of "Nuevo Espana (Mexico)" era, The Real Audencia had political, civil jurisidiccion of several provinces such as Coahuila, Nayarit, Los California, Texas, Durango and I would assume Zacatecas, Aguascalientes and Jalisco.

We get to see catholic records online at familysearch.org

But are the civil records of Real Audencia of Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico viewable online? There is a website where you can type in search to look for something. But it doesn't give that much information. I think you have to go in person to the library or something in Guadalajara.

I found this website that has a collection of old paintings, sketches, maps, etc.

For example in the search area enter anything you want to look up and you may get sketchs, paintings, maps that were drawn during colonial era.

http://jcb.lunaimaging.com/luna/servlet/view/search?fullTextSearch=full…

And check this on on the presidos and map of Texas year 1769. You can zoom it up real close with clarity:

http://jcb.lunaimaging.com/luna/servlet/s/013g9o

http://jcb.lunaimaging.com/luna/servlet/view/search?fullTextSearch=full…

Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

I'm looking for information on my Ancestor Blas de Mendosa here

http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/De_Mendoza-44

on an old Nuestros Ranchos post it says hes a Native American Chief and I
wanted to know if anyone knows his parents or any information about him and
if its true hes a Chief.

Danny C. Alonso

Is Juan Moscoso y Sandoval related to Baltasar Moscoso y Sandoval? Are they brothers?

I know there are De Leons in Jalisco,Nuevo Leon,Puebla, Mexico City and other places
I was lucky to find a Book on Ebay Called Matrimonios en la Ciudad de Mexico 1568-1577 Primer libro de Matrimonios de La Ciudad De Mexico where some De Leons are mentioned .I have compiled some lists on this the Leal and De Leon since this is the same family and also my Paternal Line ,My wife's line has De Leon also but her's are the ones from Jalisco I'f I'm not mistaking

anyone out there researching the De Leon Line ?

Thanks!

Interesting article:

http://latinola.com/story.php?story=12449

Though Luis and Lorenza's daughter Lorenza (my line) is not listed as a daughter on this article. Her birth record is attached:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6QQ9-YX1?imageOrFilmUrl=%2…

I´ve read in some different places that scientists have found that all humans with blue eyes are all descendants of ONE single person that lived some 8,000 years ago.

This is to say, that in the same way that it´s been proved that we are all descendant of a genetical "Adam" , and a genetical "Eve", similarly all blue eyed persons in history are all descendants of one single human being whose DNA experienced a mutation resulting in the blue color in the eyes.

For some time I asumed it was just a fact , an interesting fact for that matter, but on second thought I´ve started to think that there´s a lot of misinformation in the media and that it should be better to ask someone more documented about DNA real facts and findings, so I would be thankful if Armando gives us his opinion on the subject.

Best regards for all !

Jose Luis, what you have are recessive genes for the attributes of blue eyes
and red hair, along with the dominant genes for brown eyes and dark brown
hair. If both of your parents had the recessive genes for blue eyes and red
hair, you would have a very high probability of having these recessive genes
manifest themselves as dominant and therefor giving you the blue eyes and
red hair. I hope this brief explanation will help in clarifying your
present genetic status.
Bob Lozano

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1. Re: Blue eyes how about Red Hair (JOSE L. Zambrano)

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Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2015 18:04:48 +0000
From: "JOSE L. Zambrano"
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org, Alice Blake
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When i did 23 and me i found out i have the genes for color eyes and red
hair. But i have brown eyes and dark brown hair. I do get red hair rigth
before they turn to white hair-

Jose Luis Zambrano De Santiago "El Euforia".

On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 10:40 PM, Alice Blake wrote:

> I would love to read Armando's response, although I am on all
> nuestros ranchos mailing lists (I just verified this on the site), I
> only receive snips . Was he referring to what I've read that the
> blonde hair and blue eye mutation occurred only about 10,000 years
> ago?
> Thanks and please get me back into the fold.
> Alice Blake
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> On Fri, 12/4/15, sarod77@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Blue eyes how about Red Hair
> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Friday, December 4, 2015, 1:53 PM
>
> Armando, it was interesting to me
> your response regarding blue eyes. Years ago, a physician/scientist
> told me that all people with red hair are related.
> Since he was very respected at John Hopkins and the University of
> Chicago, I took it as truth. Is there truth in this as well? Thanks!
>

Can someone help me find matrimonios for Ocampo, Guanajuato - Iglesia de San Juan Bautista. This is the record I'm looking for https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JC3W-9LW . The matrimonios under Ocampo / San Juan Bautista don't start until 1866 / film 708754. I know it has to be in a different location, but I cannot figure out where. In Ocampo, films for Bautismos and Confirmaciones go up through 708744, so it's 708745 and 708746 that are missing.

Hi Emilie,

I also use Ancestral Quest (now in the Mac version) and I love it!

What I do in a situation like yours is that in the "Edit - Individual" section I put the name of the town and the state as well as the country. I put all the details in the "Edit - Notes" field, such as the name of the parish, etc. That is also where I post my source. I use the "Edit - Notes" field to put everything about the individual even including the names of the priest, the padrinos, etc.

I know AQ has a better set-up for sources but this is the way I have always done it.......and I prefer everything in one place......the "Notes" section.......but that is just me.

Good luck!

Josie Trevino Trevino
Houston, TX

Emilie Garcia wrote:
"I am confused about what to enter in the fields in the genealogy program I have (Ancestral Quest).
For example, one record from the early 1800s has the Baptism listed at the church in San Diego de Alexandria, and the first sentence says "encomienda de Jalpa", and the child was born at "Rancho de Calabasas". For "baptized at" do I enter Jalpa, San Diego de Alexandria, and in Birth place I guess I enter Rancho de Calabasas, Jalpa, San Diego de Alexandria, Jalisco, Mexico"?

I am confused because here in the US we only have States, Counties (or Parishes), and Municipalities. It seems in Mexico they seem to have many more classifications of localities, such as encomiendas, jurisdiction, hacienda, rancho, etc.

Thank you,

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

From: Angel R. Cervantes [mailto:angelrcervantes@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 11:55 PM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: The Moors Connection to New Mexican Families (Haplogroup E1b1b1b) Part II

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I would like to invite you to attend a lecture on the Moors connection to New Mexican Families (Haplogroup E1b1b1b). If you would like to learn more about the mark this ancient civilization made on the Iberian Peninsula then this presentation is for you. There will be a presentation on the subject on December 4, at 3:30 PM, through the University of New Mexico Continuing Education program.

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Iberian Peninsula DNA Institute

I am researching records in Jalisco for a friend.

I am confused about what to enter in the fields in the genealogy program I have (Ancestral Quest).

For example, one record from the early 1800s has the Baptism listed at the church in San Diego de Alexandria, and the first sentence says "encomienda de Jalpa", and the child was born at "Rancho de Calabasas". For "baptized at" do I enter Jalpa, San Diego de Alexandria, and in Birth place I guess I enter Rancho de Calabasas, Jalpa, San Diego de Alexandria, Jalisco, Mexico"?

I am confused because here in the US we only have States, Counties (or Parishes), and Municipalities. It seems in Mexico they seem to have many more classifications of localities, such as encomiendas, jurisdiction, hacienda, rancho, etc.

Thank you,

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

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Somos Primos December 2015
Please copy and paste: http://somosprimos.com/sp2015/spdec15/spdec15.htm

Dear Primos and Friends:

You'll notice a new category in the Table of Contents: Oceanic Pacific.
Through the numerous recent submissions which I have received from Dr.
Carlos A. Campos y Escalante, my awareness of the contributions made by Spanish sailors and soldiers has greatly expanded.

I realized that I had absorbed a history with a Northern European perspective, east to west colonization from the Atlantic Ocean, not giving proper attention to Southern European explorations and colonization among the nations on the rim of the Pacific Ocean.

Although, I knew that Basque whalers were sailing in the Pacific Ocean in the 1500s and Spanish soldiers were marrying Japanese women in the 1600s, I had not investigated further. Briefly,from the Rosario and Haro Straits of the San Juan Islands, in the north to Chile in the south, the Spanish were exploring, mapping, and colonizing throughout the Pacific Rim. In 2016, I plan to seek out and share more on this expanded view. I am truly grateful to Dr. Campos y Escalante for this new and more correct view of our grandparents contributions to world history.

Thank you for all your wonderful assistance in sharing heritage items, family records, your latest involvements in promoting a better understanding of the Hispanic/Latino presence, and our glorious mix with peoples of the world. J. Gilberto Quezada certainly shared a visual treat.

Wishing you and your loved ones a Feliz Navidad y Prospero Nuevo Ano.
Abrazos, Mimi

SOMOS PRIMOS December 2015
TABLE OF CONTENTS

The Old Basilica of Our Lady of Guadalupe that my parents visited in
1945 ~ J. Gilberto Quezada

UNITED STATES
71st Doolittle Raiders Anniversary Reunion Adolph Hitler and Henry Ford each kept a framed picture of the other on his desk, weird facts about WWII Doomed to Succeed by Dennis Ross: The U.S. - Israel Relationship From Truman to Obama Julius Rosenwald, One of the Greatest Jewish Philanthropists You Never Heard Of
2015 NHCC Fall Summit
Alamo's History Critical to its Future
"El Mito de El Alamo"
Remember the Alamo because it's getting a facelift Real estate broker Jerry Ascencio takes his stories of Latino struggles to the stage NALIP Welcomes Four New Board Members The 2015 Latino Books Into Movies Award Winners Will.I.Am is Helping L.A.'s Smartest Girl Build Cool Robotics Ana Villafañe portrays singer Gloria Estefan in "On Your Feet."
Take a book, leave a book: Sharing economy boosts mini libraries all across the county Think Before You Donate

HERITAGE PROJECTS
Enough's Enough: It's Time to Save Orange County, CA Chicano Murals by Gustavo Arellano Coach Tom Flores Should be in the Professional Football Hall of Fame Public History Project: Refusing to Forget: US-Mexico border between
1915-1920
The Hispanic Link Legacy Project by Armando Rodriguez Victory at Last by Daisy Wanda Garcia Felix Longoria Texas Historical Marker reinstalled last week Text of Longoria plaque Justice for Menchaca fundraiser reached its goal.
Proposal to Enhance Founders’ Day by Joe Antonio Lopez

HISTORIC TIDBITS
November 6th, 1528 -- Castaways begin amazing journey November 7th, 1835 -- The Consultation takes a step toward the Texas Declaration of Independence October 28th, 1835 -- Battle of Concepcion ignites siege of Bexar No Más Bebés, documentary The Last Viceroy by Jose Antonio Lopez Recuerdos de La Historia: La Leyenda Negra. El Mito de La Sinrazon

HISPANIC LEADERS
Honorable Judge Dario Rigoberto Garcia, Sr. Jan 4, 1920 - Jul 23, 2015
at 95 years
Businessman Amando Saenz Oct 28, 1931 - Nov 15,
2015 at 84 years
Rancher, US Diplomat, & Author Ernesto Uribe, Aug 14, 1957 - Nov 21,
2015 at 78 years
Mexican ballad singer Joan Sebastian Apr 8, 1951 - Jul 13, 2015
at 64 years
Prof. Jorge Chapa, University of Illinois Aug 10, 1953 - Oct 19,
2015 at 62 years

LATINO AMERICAN PATRIOTS
USS Rafael Peralta, Christened October 31, 2015 First navy vessel named after a person born in Mexico.
Marines Happy 24th Birthday
Wall of Honor, Saluting our military heroes with ALS Juan "Johnny" Pena: Attitude keeps El Paso Air Force veteran with ALS upbeat A Wing and a Prayer: American WWII Aviators Who Flew For Israel,
posted by Miriam Elman
10 Free Sites for Locating U.S. Military Who Died in Service Antonio (Tony) S. Martinez, WW II Brownsville resident honored in Washington, D.C.
Soaring Valor, organized by Gary Sinise
Remembering and Honoring Our Veterans
Honoring Friends for Veterans Day by Joe Sanchez Borinqueneers Updates, Events & More all over US by Frank Medina American Boricua Puerto Rican Life in US Exhibition!

EARLY LATINO PATRIOTS
Thomas Jefferson, 25 de enero de 1786
Recognition of the American Revolution Spanish Patriots, Clifford J.
Normand,
Letter from Matias de Galvez to his son Bernardo de Galvez Judge Ed Butler, author of Galvez / Spain - Our Forgotten Ally In The American Revolutionary
War: A Concise Summary of Spain's Assistance

SURNAMES
The Influence on my Religious Beliefs by Refugio Salinas Fernandez La asombrosa obra de civilización de España

DNA
Canary island web site, Spanish surnames and their DNA

Can someone tell me the name of the other church in Cuquio? I know San
Felipe is the parish church. but there is a smaller, newer one there. I
think it was built in the early 1900s, although I may be wrong. I came
across a reference to a 1937 marriage in "la Sgda. Familia" on a 1908 San
Felipe baptismal and I'm wondering if its that church. I can't find
anything online about it. Thanks so much.

Raquel Ruiz
Massachusetts

Hello and welcome to Nuestros Ranchos

I just opened your post and found your family tree about an hour ago and saw some of my ancestors.
I made some comments regarding our common ancestry and how I list them in my tree.

In your 9th generation you have

378 and 379 Antonio Abad Jimenez de Castro y Gonzalez Rubio and Maria de Jesus Franco Paredes as your ancestors.

I too descend from them

1). Antonio Abad Jimenez de Castro y Gonzalez Rubio and Maria de Jesus Franco Paredes are my fifth great grandparents
2) I descend from his daughter Maria Cecilia de Los Santos Jimenez de Castro. She married Jose Francisco Perez de Paredes.
3)Their son Jose Maria Sengundo (Segundo) Perez de Paredes married Maria Agapita de Jesus Navarro (she married twice).
4)They had a daughter named Maria Dominga Paredes Navarro born on the 11 may in 1827 and was baptized on my birthday. She married Jose Maximo Martin Franco. He went by both the last name Martin del Campo and by Franco. His mother was Martin del Campo and his father was Franco de Paredes. Maximos descendants used Martin and Franco creating some confusion in figuring out how I was related to some of my Martin del Campo cousins.
5)Maximo Martin Franco and Maria Dominga Paredes Navarro are the parents of
6) Dionicia Franco Martin y Paredes Dionicia Franco married Jose Eugenio Padilla they had at least three children. This explained my Padilla second cousins
Dionicia married a second time to Pantaleon Alvarez y Gomez de Mendoza.
Pantaleon and Dionicia are my great grandparents.

So I guess we are sixth cousins.

In my records I have some names listed a little differently than yours

I have Pacho as an abbreviation of Pacheco.
Gen 18. 189, 892. Diego Pacho is Pacheco 1473

For the Ramirez de Cantillana. I have them as Ramirez de Santillana I have seen it as Cantillana but more often as Santillana.

Gen. 12, 280 Diego Ramirez de Santillana 1558

Gen 6, 140. Gonzalo Ramirez de Santilana

Gen 12, 267 Magdalena Labesares. ( you didn't name her ancestors or her Italian version of her surname) her parents are Sebastian de Labesares((Lavezarii) and Catalina de Chavez Sebastians fathers name is Guido ( I have him as a junior ) and his father I have as Guido Labezzarii (senior)

Gen 12, 256 Martin Casillas el Alarife (1556-1618) You do not have his father listed. His father is Pedro Casillas

Gen Martin Navarro I have as Martin Gabay el de Navarro. Navarro was his nickname but was also used as his surname.

Gen 23,046. Toribio Hernandez de Arellano (1530) Aka Toribio Fernandez de Santillana. The Arellano was Arellano de Santillana and most likely from the Ramirez Arellano de Santillana family but not confirmed

Gen 12,152. Carlos Lomelin (1584) aka Carlo Lomellini. I do not have him as being born in 1584. I believe that he was born two decades earlier. Check out my posts on his possible/probable parents.

R A Ricci

Hola parientes,

Tengo la esperanza que atravez de este medio logre iluminar un poco el misterio de parte de mi papá. Ésta es la historia:

Mi abuelo paterno de nombre Andres Quezada Martinez, nació en 1905 bajo talvez otro apellido ó tal vez hasta el nombre. El es uno de seis hijos que tuvo una pareja en Fresnillo. Al parecer mi bisabuela biológica era de la Familia Quezada, pero ella se enamoro de alguien al que la familia nunca aceptó. Según la historia, mi bisabuelo biologico era de origen asiatico y que trabajaba en las minas, pero mi más reciente análisis de ADN demuestra que no existe descendencia asiática. Pudo él haber sido de origen Nativo/arabe/judio. Aunque debo confesar, que muchos de mis tíos, tías, primos y primas de apellido Quezada, mi hermano y uno de sus hijos tienen facciones Asiáticas.

Mí bisabuelo Sabás Quezada (n. 1882) adoptó a mi abuelo Andrés y a una de sus hermanas (Isabela) después de que la mamá de mi abuelo Andres falleciera y la familia le quitó los hijos a el bisabuelo biologico y los niños se repartieron. Mi bisabuelo Sabás se casó con Estefana Martinez (n. 1884).

Acaso alguien sabe de la familia Quezada en Fresnillo? Al parecer era una familia de contadores ó adinerada, no estamos seguros. No tenemos información de ninguno de esos otros niños que fueron repartidos. No sabemos si quedaron en Zacatecas ó inclusive, en la misma familia Quezada.

He buscado, como todos ustedes, en la página de los mormones y en ella he logrado encontrar un poco de información, pero hay varia que tiene los mismos nombres ó parecidos, pero en Jerez o en Nochistlan.

Cualquier información será bien recibida.

De antemano, gracias!

http://heraldo.mx/en-massachussets-exvoto-de-1777-robado-en-el-encino/

Mario,

Im not sure why, but, I have a couple of George's and one Jeorge in my
tree, I'm not sure why though. I also have dozens of Joseph's and Thomas's
spelled the english way to.

Danny C. Alonso