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Hola,

Creo que esto te puede ayudar:
http://www.geni.com/people/Isabel-de-Anda-Altamirano-de-Castilla/600000…

Somos related.

Andy

Hi Anita

Below is a transcription of the marriage record with some edits.

Best Regards
Austin Perez

Blas Esteban Franco y Margarita de Aiala Liberata Diaz de Abrego, mestizos de esta feligresía en San Diego

En el pueblo de San Francisco de Tepatitlan en ocho días del mes de octubre de mil setecientos treinta y seis años, case por palabras de presente y vele in facie ecclesiae a Blas Esteban Franco, mestizo de esta feligresía en el puesto de San Diego, hijo legitimo de Pedro Franco y de Micaela Beserra, difunta, y a Margarita Liberata así mismo mestiza de dicha feligresía en el citado puesto, hija legitima de Augustin de Aiala y de Antonia Diaz de Abrego, difuntos…padrinos Luis Franco y Francisca Gonzales, su esposa

Hi Helen

I found Bernardo Menchaca's post very helpful:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/20592

Here is some info which i posted on the romo femat family:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/21346

Regards,
Denise Fastrup

Ahora que mencionan al Obispo de Aguascalientes, el Sr. José María de la Torre Martín, me gustaría decir que el es originario de Pegueros, una delegación del municipio de Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco.

Saludos.
Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.

_________________________________________________________________
Hotmail: as HOT as always
www.hotmailhotness.com.mx

Andres Gonzalez Rick you are a great person which no doubt in part came from your father. Warm hugs to you and your family. Andy

Linda, you may already have seen these, but thought I'd pass these on just in case.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15273-25099-6?cc=1804458&wc=…

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15261-20643-50?cc=1804458&wc…

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15261-19610-72?cc=1804458&wc…

FYI... Benito is married to my 5th great grand Aunt

Raul

This.

The discussion reminded me of one of my very favorite scenes in the movie "Selena," where Abraham Quintanilla, the father, is telling Selena and her brother, AB, about being Mexican-American as opposed to Mexican or American:

"We have to know John Wayne AND Pedro Infante. We have to know about Frank Sinatra AND Agustin Lara... We've got to prove to the Mexicans how Mexican we are, and we've got to prove to the Americans how American we are...both at the same time. It's exhausting!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw5bA8cVF-E

Recently, I saw another clip by Mexican-American comedian, Eddie G., about being "ni de aqui, ni de alla" while actually being from both backgrounds, living both cultures. I loved how he put it: "We're a force to be reckoned with. We don't fit in because we were BORN TO STAND OUT."

Sandra Velez

Gandalf3, Ha! You sound just like me. I grew up in the 50s, born in the 30s, mother of native NM stock, Piro tribe, and her people used that term "los del otro lado", Dad from Jerez. I remember no Spanish allowed in schools, and in California when my husband was a teenager, some "chicano" guys beat up a coach who seemed racist towards them, etc. Some cops were bad to them also, pulling them over for no reason. A cousin of mine in NM was told he couldn't use the swimming pool in the motel they were staying in, etc. and the stories go on and on. In order to fit in and progress, you have to immerse yourself in the dominant culture and language, and work to bring about changes, and the Mexicans south of the border don't understand that about us. We have progressed to the point that we can elect an African-American to our highest office, and they have not.

When I visited Mexico City with my husband to see his aunt, she would correct me about how to pronounce "Sears", that it was Seh-ahrs, not Seers, that they would label me as a pocha if they heard me say Seers. So what? They chose to live in Mexico and thought it was so good because they were born and bred there, but I preferred the US because I was born and grew up there. Where you were born and where you grow up is your patria and you don't have to call the land of your ancestors your patria. The US took over the Pueblos of New Mexico in 1852, so we have been Americans for over 150 years now, and I don't ever intend moving to Mexico. I've had to learn more Spanish to help me read Mexican records, but had my ancestors been from France, I would be struggling with French.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
----- Original Message -----
From: gandalf3.1@netzero.com
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 5:19 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Walking in Two Worlds

I've been reading through some of the wonderful posts in regards to struggling with speaking Spanish and the challenges of living in two cultures , just some thoughts ;

I grew up in the U.S. in a small mining town located in southeastern Arizona . When my father's family left the villa in Los Altos , they settled in Miami and Jerome Arizona. He came to the states when he was just 2 years old. All of the men in my fathers family were miners, as was my father when he returned to AZ after a stint in the military. My father's first language at home was Spanish, he said he really didn't start speaking English until after he began elementary school. He knew first hand the challenges of not being able to speak english well so he always stressed to my sister and I how important it was to know BOTH languages, it was he said , to our benefit to know more than one language and he was right.

The trouble was, growing up in the Southwest the early 70's, we were not allowed to speak Spanish at school. If you did, you got a trip to the principle's office, or sent home...sad but all too true. We still spoke it at home, but as we continued in school and made non Spanish speaking friends, we used it less and less. That was my first brush with the idea that there was an US and a THEM. Many of you can relate to this I'm sure. Growing up in the States I was just like any other American kid, I listened to Rock and Roll, not corridas , had long hair and loved hot rods. I played football not soccer . Although I loved to hear stories about my family history , I knew nothing of Los Altos...it was another world to me. Many of my friends were in the same boat, some of our familes had been in the US for three or more generations. My mother's people were some of the first settlers in the Tucson area, before Arizona was even a state, who had the right to tell me I didn't belong ?
We
kidded each other in Spanglish...mixing both languages, a hybrid, just like the culture we were growing up in. Back then there was no lable like Hispanic, or even worse, Latino...if you were a Mexican American , you were a Chicano or, if you came from Spanish stock like we did, you were a Hispano, which is a Southwestern term to denote ties to Spain, not a Spanish version of Hispanic.

My home town is 8 or so miles from the Mexican frontera of Sonora. As my friends and I entered high school, we came into contact with other kids who lived right on the border of Sonora and AZ in a small town called Naco. These kids roots were in Sonora proper, their familes were in the US for maybe a genration at the most, they still had strong ties to Mexico and towns like Agua Prieta , Hermosillo and Nogales. Once again I got a taste of US and THEM. We were told by some, not all, that we were not Mexicans, we were pochos, we were lost people who's parents sold out and wanted to be gringos. It had nothing to do with a difference of appearence,it had everything to do with the side of the border you happened to be born on...you were from Mexico or el otro lado, the motherland or the other side, and there was no way to change it, period.

So not only did we have challenges in the Anglo world , constant reminders that we were different . Things like not being able to go swimming at the local Elk's Club pool, or not being able to date certain non Mexican girls, even though many of us, myself included ,were constantly confused with being anything but Mexican because of our light skin . We also had to deal with what I call reverse racism, from other Mexicans who felt we didn't have the right to call ourselves Mexicans , not all of them of course, I must stess this, but to a good amount of Mexicanos we were just pochos.

That is what put me on the path to learning about my family's roots, I was no longer content with what I learned from text books, none of it fit...and forget about movies or pop culture ! To this day everyone with a Spanish surname in a movie is either the bad guy or the girl that gets bedded by the Anglo hero, it's getting better, but not by much. I came to understand totally why people do family research, why I do research... to find MY ancestors. The group that I belong to and cannot deny me entry by right of blood, WHO EVER and WHAT EVER they were...is what I AM.

Well said but you did not post your name? Who do we thank for sharing this line of thought that reflects so much on many of us.. I'd forgotten the word Pocho, another put down..
 
When I was in my paternal ancestral home in Jerez, the locals destinguished between the families who left during the revolution, like mine, and those who stayed through the hard times. The locals who's ancestors stayed felt very proud and sad for those of us who's ancestors left.
 
Linda in B.C.

--- On Mon, 7/6/09, gandalf3.1@netzero.com wrote:

From: gandalf3.1@netzero.com
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Walking in Two Worlds
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Monday, July 6, 2009, 5:19 PM

I've been reading through some of the wonderful posts in regards to struggling with speaking Spanish and the challenges of living in two cultures , just some thoughts ;

I grew up in the U.S. in a small mining town located in southeastern Arizona . When my father's family left the villa in Los Altos , they settled in Miami and Jerome Arizona. He came to the states when he was just 2 years old. All of the men in my fathers family were miners, as was my father when he returned to AZ after a stint in the military. My father's first language at home was Spanish, he said he really didn't start speaking English until after he began elementary school. He knew first hand the challenges of not being able to speak english well so he always stressed to my sister and I how important it was to know BOTH languages, it was he said , to our benefit to know more than one language and he was right.

The trouble was, growing up in the Southwest the early 70's, we were not allowed to speak Spanish at school. If you did, you got a trip to the principle's office, or sent home...sad but all too true. We still spoke it at home, but as we continued in school and made non Spanish speaking friends, we used it less and less. That was my first brush with the idea that there was an US and a THEM. Many of you can relate to this I'm sure. Growing up in the States I was just like any other American kid, I listened to Rock and Roll, not corridas , had long hair and loved hot rods. I played football not soccer . Although I loved to hear stories about my family history , I knew nothing of Los Altos...it was another world to me. Many of my friends were in the same boat, some of our familes had been in the US for three or more generations. My mother's people were some of the first settlers in the Tucson area, before Arizona was even a state, who had the right to tell
me I didn't belong ? We
kidded each other in Spanglish...mixing both languages, a hybrid, just like the culture we were growing up in. Back then there was no lable like Hispanic, or even worse, Latino...if you were a Mexican American , you were a Chicano or, if you came from Spanish stock like we did, you were a Hispano, which is a Southwestern term to denote ties to Spain, not a Spanish version of Hispanic.
My home town is 8 or so miles from the Mexican frontera of Sonora. As my friends and I entered high school, we came into contact with other kids who lived right on the border of Sonora and AZ in a small town called Naco. These kids roots were in Sonora proper, their familes were in the US for maybe a genration at the most, they still had strong ties to Mexico and towns like Agua Prieta , Hermosillo and Nogales. Once again I got a taste of US and THEM. We were told by some, not all, that we were not Mexicans, we were pochos, we were lost people who's parents sold out and wanted to be gringos. It had nothing to do with a difference of appearence,it had everything to do with the side of the border you happened to be born on...you were from Mexico or el otro lado, the motherland or the other side, and there was no way to change it, period.
So not only did we have challenges in the Anglo world , constant reminders that we were different . Things like not being able to go swimming at the local Elk's Club pool, or not being able to date certain non Mexican girls, even though many of us, myself included ,were constantly confused with being anything but Mexican because of our light skin . We also had to deal with what I call reverse racism, from other Mexicans who felt we didn't have the right to call ourselves Mexicans , not all of them of course, I must stess this, but to a good amount of Mexicanos we were just pochos.
That is what put me on the path to learning about my family's roots, I was no longer content with what I learned from text books, none of it fit...and forget about movies or pop culture ! To this day everyone with a Spanish surname in a movie is either the bad guy or the girl that gets bedded by the Anglo hero, it's getting better, but not by much. I came to understand totally why people do family research, why I do research... to find MY ancestors. The group that I belong to and cannot deny me entry by right of blood, WHO EVER and WHAT EVER they were...is what I AM. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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HOLA EDGAR

MUCHAS GRACIAS por los enlaces en tu post. No tenía el matrimonio de Cristóbal Sotelo y Juana Heredia. Espero con interés a leerlo! Estoy leyendo bautismos de Sagar. Metro. de la Ciudad de México al fin de los 1500s. Si encuentro algo de interés de linaje Moctezuma, yo sin duda compartirlo.

Sorry for my primitive Spanish!

Now in English...

THANK YOU VERY MUCH for the links in your post. I did not have the one for the marriage of Cristobal Sotelo and Juana Heredia. I look forward to (trying!) to read it. We know that Diego Sotelo married Maria Manuel de Portugal by 1559, so Cristobal must have been at least 35 years old when he married Juana, and they married in Mexico City. Perhaps this points to Petronila getting married in Mexico City as well??? I am browsing though baptisms in Sagr. Metro. for Mexico City in the late 1500s, on the offchance that she is mentioned as padrina for someone. If I find anything of interest for the topic of linaje Moctezuma, I will certainly share it here in Nuestros Ranchos.

Regards,
Denise

Los Arguelles es una familia cuya nobleza e hidalguia fue probada ante las debidas autoridades inumerables veces. Familias como estas conocian sus origenes, y no tenian miedo de mostrarlo ante el publico. Las fechadas en las casas, los blasones, etc. Familia con origen muy antigua en Asturias desde el siglo XIV. Podemos encontrar los varios pleitos de hidalguia en la Chancelleria de Valladolid donde presentan documentos de nobleza. Ahora, las lineas mejicanas. Este documento que mencionas dice que Don Fernando de Arguelles era del "Principado de Asturias," sabemos que es jurisdicion nobiliaria que le tradicionalmente le pertenece al heredero de la corona castellana, antes era D. Felipe de Borbon y Grecia, Principe de Asturias, Viana y Gerona, ahora es Felipe VI.

Hubo bastante Arguelles en todo Mejico durante el virreinato, la mayoria de los casos son comerciantes u oficiales de gobierno, algo en comun.

Daniel Mendez de Torres Camino

"Don Fernando Arquelles Natural Del Prinicipado De Asturias", means he was
from Asturias in Spain
"de estado soltero" single
"de edad de beinte (sic) anos" 20 years
"no se le administraron los santos sacramentos por haber muerto
violentamente de una caída que le dio un caballo" he felt from a horse and
died :(

Julieta

-----Message d'origine-----
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de zacatecano020@hotmail.com
Envoyé : domingo, 19 de octubre de 2014 01:01 a.m.
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Objet : [Nuestros Ranchos] Arquelles Surname of Zacatecas?

Hi! I never realized this. But my woman partner is from the city of
Zacatecas. Her family have a friend named "Tomas Arguelles" who resides in
the City of Zacatecas but he is from "Monte Escobedo" near Mezquitic,
Jalisco

I remember people in nuestros ranchos telling me about the Arquelles Family
of Zacatecas after I had posted that I found a defunto record of Don
Fernando Arquelles Natural Del Principal de Asturias 1797 who passed away at
our village of Huejuquilla.

Now I am curious about my pareja's family friend "Tomas Arquelles" I know
him in person when I have been with my woman's family of Zacatecas. He has
a facebook page. The Arquelles of Zacatecas...are the upper class families
there. My woman's family of the city of Zacatecas are friends with them.

Since he is from Monte Escobedo....seems his long ago ancestors were in the
same area as my GGGGGGG Grandfather Antonio Madera (1660 - 1709) and Maria
De La Candelaria (1655 - 1735) at Minillas.

"I need help from someone please in that you can you tell me what it means
when this person that I found in Defuntos in our village of Huejuquilla,
Jalisco Mexico in the year 1797.

Says "Don Fernando Arquelles Natural Del Prinicipal De Asturias"

What does it say or mean about Asturias? I have no relation to him but just
curious.

http://oi62.tinypic.com/2jdjkev.jpg

Source:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18449-54312-19?cc=1874591&wc…
-2Z3:171931201,171931202,173088501

Has anyone been hit with the geneology bug? I am doing lots of research now
I got hit with the geneology bug."

Elizabeth,

I have Sanchez-Banales in my archives, they are a family that appears to be in the Avalos-Guadalajara region during the XVII century. The oldest I have is about 1660, Don Alonso Sanchez Banales and his wife, Da. Margarita Ortiz de Zarate y Velasco--she was from Colima. They married in or nearby Sayula, where they established their family of numerous children. I descend from their daughter Micaela Sanchez Banales who had Francisca Xaviera Sanchez Banales--iligitimate child--her second great grandaughter married Lic. Luis de Hijar, the Magistrate of Guadalajara, my sixth great grandfather. I have only studied these lines a bit, but I could still do more research, from this line I know they are related to Enriquez Topete, the Sanchez de Aldana, Canedo and the Farchet.

Have you been able to locate Francisca Sanchez Banales? I still have her unlinked, she married into the Mayorazgo de Porres Baranda, this would be an important link to discover.

Could you share more on Juan Sanchez Banales and Catalina de Alcaraz? Their children and possibly how they are related to my Alonso Sanchez Banales? Perhaps a grandfather or great grandfather?

Daniel Mendez de Torres Camino

Hello Zacatecano

"que fue SU mayor accidente" I think it means she dead of being more than
80 !

Julieta

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Objet : [Nuestros Ranchos] Defunto of My GGGGGGG Grandmother Maria De La
Candelaria (1735) wife of Antonio Madera

First of all I want to give so much thankfulness to a good friend Ruben of
nuestrosranchos for locating this difunto record of my GGGGGGG Grandmother
Maria De La Candelaria (1655 - 1735) who is the wife of my GGGGGGG
Grandfather Antonio Madera (1660 - 1709?). They were at Minillas of
Mezquitic, Jalisco, Mexico.

This is a copy of the defunto record found on page 43 of "Defunciones (1712
- 1770)" on the LDS Records of San Juan Bautista Church of Mezquitic,
Jalisco, Mexico:

http://oi57.tinypic.com/6iws2f.jpg

Says she passed away in 1735 at the age of 80 wife of Antonio Madera. Made
a testamento before La Justicia De La Jurisdicion at "Monte Escobedo"

Note: Monte Escobedo is a small village way up on the mountain that
overlooks the whole valley. When your up there at Monte Escobedo, the
panoramic view you have, Mezquitic looks like a tiny cluster of buildings in
the open field and the valley.

Says, "tenia la edad de arriba de ochenta anos que fue la mayor accidente y
recidia en la lavor de Minillas"

Seems she was older than 80 years since the comment "arriba de ochenta anos"
but I don't understand what is meant by "que fue la mayor accident"

Thank you all so much and I have so much gratitude to nuestroranchos members
for the invaluable information you have provided me with finding generations
farther back.

Rubén,

Gracias por su dedicación y amor hacia la genealogía e historia. Tengo interés en estudiar el censo, como lo puedo ver en la red?

Un saludo,

Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino

Edgar Olguin Diaz
buenas tardes a todos
aqui les dejo el link para ver los documento original de la confirmacion de oficio de diego arias de sotelo

http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas/servlets/Control_servlet?accion=2&tx…

http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas/servlets/Control_servlet?accion=100

espero y les ayude

saludos
excelente dia a todos

Hi Steven

Thanks so much, this is great! Like a window onto the past to be able to read the text. Looking forward to reading it in detail after wednesday ( i have a final exam). In general after wednesday I'll have more time to go through records. I also have some questions regarding citations and posts from several contributors from the past month, but i'll post on that next weekend...

Regards
Denise

Steven

Thank you very much!!

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

También desciendo de José maneul Pérez de Alencastre y su esposa Maria Rita Vasques, a través de su hija Antonioa Ubalada Pérez de Alencastre.

Yo también estoy muy intersted en la búsqueda de línea de la familia Diego Pérez de Alencastre de nuevo a rey Jorge de Portugal. Hasta ahora mi búsqueda ha sido un proceso lento de eliminación y que para proporcionar el enlace a un libro google escaneado que puede ayudar a centrar la investigación addiontional.

El libro es Arboles De Costados de Gran Parte De Las Primeras Casas De Estós Reynos: Cuyos Duenos Vivian En El Año De 1683 por Luis de Salazar y Castro y Alfonso de Manuel y Arriola.

https://play.google.com/books/reader2?id=6MwWAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcov…

Tiene muchos, muchos árboles, pero la página 20 y la página 27 son específicos de nuestra investigación para confirmar todo, desde el post de Yaomautzin Olvera.

Página 10, tiene un error en mi opinión, con el nombre de doña Violante Coutiño donde Juliana Pérez de Alencastre, esta última lo corrigió en la página 27.

Yo creo que si Alfonso de Alencastre (1505-1578) y de Violante Henriques de Coutiño también tenía del hijo siguientes en - que es uno de estos hijos que Diego Pérez de Alencastre puede descender desde.

Otra hijos de Alfonso y Violante:

Jorge
Juan
Manuel
Luis

ENGLISH:
I also descend from Jose Maneul Pérez de Alencastre and his wife Maria Rita Vasques, through their daughter Antonioa Ubalada Pérez de Alencastre.

I too am very intersted in finding Diego Pérez de Alencastre family line back to King Jorge of Portugal. So far my search has been a slow process of elimination and which to provide this link to a scanned google book that may help focus addiontional research.

The book is Árboles De Costados De Gran Parte De Las Primeras Casas De Estos Reynos: Cuyos Dueños Vivian En El Año De 1683 by Luis de Salazar y Castro and Alfonso de Manuel y Arriola.

https://play.google.com/books/reader2?id=6MwWAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcov…

It has many, many trees but page 20 and page 27 are specific to our research to confirm everything from Yaomautzin Olvera's post.

Page 10, does have an error I believe, using the name Dona Violante Coutino where Juliana Pérez de Alencastre, this appears corrected on page 27.

I believe if Alfonso de Alencastre (1505-1578) y de Violante Henriques de Coutino also had the followign son's - it is among these sons that Diego Pérez de Alencastre may descend from.

Other Children of Alfonso and Violante:

Jorge
Juan
Manuel
Luis

De encontrar el nexo entre ambas familias, estaríamos hablando que existe un nexo directo con la Casa de Avís de Portugal, y por ende con la Casa de Capeto en Francia, con la Lancaster en Inglaterra, con las Coronas de Castilla y la de Aragón, las de Saboya, Nápoles y Sicilia, puediendo extender esa línea genealógica hasta el 700 d.C.

Yaomautzin Olvera

Si tienen los datos, corrijanme o añadan datos de ser posible. Yo desciendo de María Josefa Teodora Corona Pérez de Alencastre (1791-?), quien casó con José Andrés Michel Corona (3 Dic 1785-1829). Ella fue hija de Ignacio Corona y de Francisca Eufrosina Guadalupe Pérez de Alencastre Vázquez (17 Feb 1773 Ejutla, Jalisco - ?), hija de José Manuel Pérez de Alencastre García de Alba y María Rita Vázquez. José Manuel fue hijo de Manuel Antonio Pérez de Alencastre Ruiz Contreras y de María Josefa García de Alba De la Madrid (a su vez hija de Francisco García de Alba y Teodora de la Madrid), quienes casaron el 25 Jul 1724 en Tecolotlán, Jalisco. Manuel Antonio fue hijo de María Ruiz Contreras y Diego Pérez de Alencastre. No estoy seguro de si Diego es hijo de Manuel Pérez de Alencastre y Juana Beltrán Dorantes, pero de ser así he encontrado que supuestamente éste fue Alférez y falleció el 16 Ene 1656 en Sayula, Jalisco.

De la rama de Juana Beltrán Dorantes tengo que ella fue hija de Pedro Beltrán Dorantes (26 Dic 1707 Guadalajara, Jalisco -?) e Isabel García Bravo (a su vez hija de Juan Garcia Bravo y Leonor Jimenez). Pedro fue hijo de Joseph Beltrán Dorantes (y éste a su vez de Andrés Fernández de Dorantes y Francisca Beltrán de San Juan) y Leonor de Ulloa.

Del Árbol genealógico de Joao II de Portugal tengo que tuvo por hijo de Ana de Mendoza a Jorge de Lencastre, quien casó con Brites de Vilhena y tuvieron 8 hijos a saber:

1.- Joao de Alencastre (1501-22 Ago 1571). Casó con Juliana de Lara y Meneses, y tuvieron por hijos a Jorge de Lancastre (-1578) y a Pedro Dionis Alencastre y Meneses (1550-). Jorge de Lancastre casó con Magdalena Téllez Girón, y tuvieron por hija a Juliana de Lancastre (-23 sep 1623), quien se casó con su tío Álvaro de Lencastre (1540-1626), hijo de Alfonso de Alencastre (1505-1578) y de Violante Henriques de Coutinho. Pedro Dionis casó con Felipa Silva y tuvieron por hija a Juliana de Alencastre y Silva.

Álvaro y Juliana tuvieron por hijos a Alfonso, Jorge, Luisa María, Magdalena, Violante, Luis e Inés.

Alfonso (1579-1654) casó con Ana de Sande (1610-1659) y tuvieron por hijos a Agustín de Alencastre y Sande (-1716) y María de Lencastre y Sande, quien casó con Pedro de Leyva y de la Cerda. Agustín casó con Juana de Noroña y Silva, y tuvieron por hijos a Fernando de Alencastre Noroña y Silva (1641-1717), Juan de la Cruz de Alencastre Noroña y Silva (-1733) y María Josefa de Alencastre Noroña y Silva (1641-1704). Fernando casó Leonor de Silva, procreando a Agustín, María Teresa e Ignacia de Alencastre y Silva; Juan de la Cruz fue religioso y no tuvo descendencia y María Josefa casó con Bernardino de Carvajal, procreando a José (1698-1754), Juan Antonio, Álvaro y Nicolás de Carvajal y Alencastre.

Jorge casó con Ana María de Cárdenas y Manrique de Lara y tuvieron por hijos a Raymundo de Lencastre y Cárdenas y a María Guadalupe de Lencastre (1630-1715).

Hasta aquí tengo de la descendencia de Joao. De los descendientes de los demás hijos no tengo información.

2.- Alfonso de Alencastre (1505-1578) casó con Violante Henriques de Coutinho, y tuvieron por hijos a Álvaro de Lencastre y Enríquez (que casó con Juliana, y su descendencia se muestra arriba), Jorge, Juan, Manuel, Felipa y Luis de Lencastre y Enríquez. No tengo más información.

3.- Luis de Alencastre casó con Magdalena de Granada y tuvieron por hija a Brites de Alencastre, que casó con Teodosio I de Portugal y Braganza .

4.- Jaime de Alencastre.

5.- Elena de Alencastre.

6.- Filipa de Alencastre.

7.- María de Alencastre.

8.- Isabel de Alencastre.

Nota: Tengo entendido que además de éstos hijos tuvo 4 hijos naturales, 3 de nombre Jorge de Alencastre y una Joana de Alencastre.

Yaomautzin Olvera

Enrique, yo también desciendo de los Pérez de Alencastre, pero no tengo más información que tú... has logrado encontrar más información?

Hello Paige,
I know that they are not the same couples because their children were born in the 1600's. Their names are extremely similar and as you know many couples named their children after ancestors. I know it isn't Kosher, but you could possibly use the information to follow the lines down.

I have Jose Alonso de los Hinojos/Theresa Ruis de Esparsa y Lopez de Lisalde (daughter of Jacinto and Juana Lopez de Lisalde) Her birth: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11824-52719-99?cc=1410092&…
Marriage in Aguascaliente: 18 June, 1666 Page 13 Image 16

I'm sure you already have Josef Alonso de los Hinojos/Theresa Ruis de Esparsa (daughter of Ignacio and Elena Sotelo de Jaen). This is the birth of their son Marcos: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12047-88063-96?cc=1410092&…

Good Luck,
Deedra Corona

Hi Paige,
María Margarita de los Dolores López de Velarde and Antonio Alonso de los Hinojos are my 9th Great Grandparents, but, unfortunately I don't have too much information on her. I do know that Margarita de los Dolores López de Velarde married Antonio Alonso de los Hinojos in Teocaltiche on 7 Feb 1734 and according to the marriage record her parents are Francisco López de Velarde  and Juana Marín de Peñalosa, but, beyond that I don't have any more information on her.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-19052-57017-98?cc=1874591&wc…
Christopher de Cuellar