Nuestros Ranchos Site

That's all fascinating, cousin John. I hope to get back to researching our ancestry after I settle into my new home this weekend.

I leave Los Angeles this Friday en route to my new home which I have named Las Brisas.
A magnificent 5-unit complex on 47th Avenue between Sutro Heights and Balboa in the Outer Richmond.

Its a block east of Sutro Heights Park, 2 blocks north of Golden Gate Park, an easy walk to Ocean, Baker and Seal Rocks Beaches. An exquisite site! My not so little chunk of paradise.

I have my three properties in Los Angeles for sale. Please email me in private if anyone is interested in my three bedroom, one bath home in Monterey Park, my 2 bedroom, 1 bath Victorian on Eastlake in Lincoln Heights, and my large three lots with duplex and outbuildings in City Terrace near Cal State LA.

I'll have to find a new Family History Center in San Francisco to do my research in.
I'll check out the Sutro Library as well.

I;ve been in Los Angeles for the last 12 years caring for my ailing mother who passed away on August 9. My sister and I dressed her the way Petronilla Moctezuma would have dressed for her final journey.

We released three dozen Monarch butterfiles at Resurrection Cemetery, the kind of butterfly Petronilla would have been well acquainted with.

---- John Gonzalez <1gnzlz@verizon.net> wrote:
> Emilie:

Here's some information that I am hoping will help you.

LDS Batch F868769, Film #1396289

Lope de Esparza 2nd Marriage: Batch 7412803 Film #0934233

Lope Ruiz de Esparza married Francisca Gabay and Lorenza, Married to Capitan
Luis Tiscareño Molina y Marquez, was their daughter.

Capitan Luis Tiscareño de Molina: Batch F868327 Film #1396258

Here's some information about the Hacienda:

"La Hacienda Nueva de Morcinique"
Aguascalientes, Ags, Mexico.

La Hacienda Nueva de Morcinique debe su nombre a su cercanía con el rio del
mismo nombre. Se ubica sobre el camino real a Calvillo, camino que tambien
comunicaba con las haciendas de Gracias a Dios, San Jose de Gudalupe y el
Sauz. Fue una de las haciendas mas chicas en el estado. En 1972 tenía una
superficie de 2,600 hectáreas; habia sido propiedad del presbítero Ignacio
Rincón Gallardo, quien en 1820 la cedió como parte de un patronato benéfico
que sería administrado por el Ayntamiento de Aguascalientes. Estaba dotada
de una buenapresa, canales y acequias, además de una gran casa principal.
Apartir de 1855, el Ayuntamiento decidió venderla en fracciones. Su presa
fue traspasada en 1863 a los señores Cornú y Stiker, para formar parte de su
hacienda industrial de San Ignacio.

.com

I have found some charts of the descendants of Moctezuma in the Archive of the Indies in Portal Archivos de Espanoles (PARES) that may be of interest to Nuestros Ranchos members:

AGI: MP-ESCUDOS 212

This is a one page chart created after 1594 (exact date unknown). The page is partially damaged on the sides (thus some information is missing), and is headed with Moctezuma, then daughter Dona Ysabel with her three legitimate marriages (Alonso de Grado, Pedro Gallegos Andrade, and Juan Cano).

Her illegitmate daughter by Cortes is not shown.

AGI: MP-ESCUDOS 211 and AGI: PATRONATO 245 R.5

These two documents show the same chart (211 is more legible than 245), but 245 has a narrative of several pages (which is not easy to read; however, the chart is easy to read). This document was made about 1574. This has somewhat less information than the previous chart, but does have additionally children of three of Moctezuma's wives, including Dona Leonore, daughter of wife Acatlan, and her daughter, Dona Lenore alias Dona Marina, who married Cristobal de Valderrama (who is also named in the chart).

These are the earliest documents I've seen that actually name some of Moctezuma's descendants.

There are other documents that provide more detail on the descendants of Pedro Moctezuma, whose descendants moved into the Spanish nobility.

The images are high quality and can be expanded without much lost of detail.

PARES is at http://pares.mcu.es/

To search for these documents go the Busqueda Avanzada. Under Filtro por Archivo choose Archivo General de Indias; then use Filtro por Signatura and Seleccionar to select the specific document (Signatura; for example MP-ESCUDOS and 211). Clicking on a document page gives the enlarged image; right click on the enlarged image with the mouse allows you to save the image on your computer.

when i was looking up marriage records jose manueel villegas's sister gertrudis i found this page

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18453-62919-41?cc=1874591&wc…

the document says that she is related to her spouse, but it doesn't say how.

trying to figure this out will help me at least find the name of her grandparents on at least one side of her family.

Hola,

Can someone help me decipher the names with (??) on this baptismal
certificate?
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15087-5072-31?cc=1410092&wc=…
(left side, last entry)

Here's what I've figured out so far:
Name: Jose Tiburcio Castañeda
Gender: M
Baptism date: 26 Apr 1832
Church: San Cayetano
Birth date: 14 Apr 1832
Birth place: "Cerritos" Atolinga, Zac
Father's name: Julio Castañeda
Mother's name: Ma. del Refugio Gonzales
Paternal grandparents: Antonio Castañeda & Ma. Eugenia (??) de Haro (??)
Maternal grandparents: Salvador Gonzales & Gertrudis Mayorea Mayorga(??)

Also, what does "teniente" de cura mean?

I see (y me da risa), that baptismal certificates say "hijo legítimo" or
"h.l." Does that mean non-legitimate children (called "natural" right?)
weren't baptized? I cannot find my great-grandmother, but I found (some)
siblings. Maybe she wasn't baptized?

Thanks,
Laura

Denise Fastrup

Hello

(I originally posted the message below as a reply in my Romo forum topic, but it didn't show up in a google search, so I am resending it here as a separate topic to hopefully make the information easier for someone else to find - who knows, someone may look for Rapahel Silvestre at some point in the future...)

I am still searching for the marriage record for Don Joseph Raphael Romo and Maria Rafaela Aguilar. I have earlier posted some Romo names I have come across. Below is one more Romo which I found in the indexed FamilySearch source. The names of the parents are the same as for Joseph Raphael Prudencio Romo Alba b. 1765. So in other words there were two Raphael Romos born in the same decade, same place, same parents, and the question is which one married Maria Rafaela...then next question is if the Maria Rafaela mother of Manuel Romo who later moved San Buenaventura, is indeed the Maria Casilda Rafaela Aguilar Chaves who was born in Aguascalientes in 1763.

So if anyone out there has the record of birth/christening for Manuel Romo, from Aguascalientes, married to Maria Ygnacia Rodriguez in San Buenaventura, or the marriage record for Rapahel Romo and Maria Raphaela Aguilar of Aguascalientes, please post.

I have been through the Ag. Ag. Sagr. records for 1782 - 1787, and 1787 - 91, minus the ones that didnt show properly (which I am now rechecking) and have had no luck.

I have not been able to explore the church records for the image of Silvestres record of birth, due to technical issues with downloading the images, otherwise I'd of course make it available. But here is the basic info for anyone researching the Romos...

Name:

Jph. Raphael Silvestre Romo Alva

Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 20 Dec 1767
Baptism/Christening Place: EL SAGRARIO,AGUASCALIENTES,AGUASCALIENTES,MEXICO
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Antonio Romo
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Maria Ana De Alva
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Paternal Grandfather's Name:
Paternal Grandmother's Name:
Maternal Grandfather's Name:
Maternal Grandmother's name:

Indexing Project (Batch) Number:

C60484-4
System Origin:

Mexico-ODM
Source Film Number:

299533

Source Citation

"Mexico, Baptisms, 1560-1950," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NTMP-BZK : accessed 26 May 2012), Jph. Raphael Silvestre Romo Alva, 1767.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NTMP-BZK

Regards,
Denise Fastrup

when i was reading the burial record for my ancestor, isabel de ulloa, it said that she was from arroyo de Frailes. i tried googling it and couldn't find anything.

here's the link to her burial record

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18453-8613-70?cc=1874591&wc=…

Can anyone tell me what happened to the project that was called "ADN de Los Altos?" I am so disappointed this is no longer online.

Please advise,
-Claudia

Posted at: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/20642

Hola Members y Primos, I believe I have figured out who or which Lorenzo Alvarez I was Investigating. In the second marriage of Lorenzo Alvarez to Gertrudis Efigenia Ramirez de Ramirez ,the Padrinos were Francisco Enriquez and Ana Alvarez(daughter of Francisco Alvarez Tostado and Ana Ramirez de Mendoza. This couple was also padrinos to Lorenzo Alvarez's daughter(Juana Josepha Alvarez) of his first marriage to Josepha Alvarez. The conclusion I have made that Lorenzo Alvarez and Ana Alvarez are siblings.
I still can't figure out who Josepha Alvarez's parents were.
Ronnie Reynoso

Hola Every one ,seeking out Lorenzo Alvarez Tostado and his first Wife Josepha Alvarez Tostado. Lorenzo was married to Josepha prior to 1725. Lorenzo's second wife was Gertrudis Efigenia Ramirez de Hermosillo april 19,1725 in Jalostotitlan located in Matrimonios 1707-1748 image #191. I was looking at the Dispensas that Claudia has given and no go . I was thinking they were probably related and needed to go through dispensation but have not found it yet. Has anyone had any luck ? I am descended to Lorenzo and his two wives.
Thank you
Ronnie Reynoso

I just updated my files on Rootsweb.com today. My file name is Mexico an contains records for Zacatecas, Jalisco, Michoacan and now Sonora. When you open my file go to the index and see if I have a surname in the time and place you are looking for. I have abt 92 thousand names and won't be updating for a few months since I'm going to Vancouver Island and our capacity is low.. I time out when I try to upload new files from there.
Linda Castanon-Long

this page contains the baptismal record for one of my triple-great grandpa luis lopez
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15094-3467-35?cc=1410092&wc=…

i see that this page lists his parents as luciano lopez and juana martinez. i can also read that juana's parents are secundo martinez and juana padilla.

i'm not sure what luciano's dad first name is, nor can i find his mom's late name(i think the entry says her first name is manuela), since the penmanship is too sloppy for me to read.

any help will be appreciated.

How do I find my ancestors place of origin or date of birth there parents where born? l been stuck for a while , 1930 mexico censes was a good start, got lucky on finding some marriages certificates that mention where they are originallly from, and useful info

LOOKING FOR IDEAS AND SUGGESTIONS , CAUSE I GOT NOTHING...

ISIDORO HURTADO (USUALLY SPELLED URTADO)

BERNABE ALVAREZ

VICTORIA BARAJAS MAY BE NATIVE AMERICAN

CECILIO GALVEZ

RAFAEL MORA NUNEZ DEATH RECORD NO INFO ON PARENTS OR ORIGIN

1860-1935? Isidoro Hurtado married 1855-1945? Josefa Aguilar
Home in 1930 :was Pihuamo , Jalisco
1892 J Jesus Hurtado and 1855 Maria Chavez (first of three wives)
1890 Agustin Hurtado There sons marriage certificates say they are originally from tecalitlan, jalisco Also Isidoro came with his sons to US to work than come back

1880 J Jesus Galindo married 1870 Estefana Sanchez
1907-1988 Maximina Galindo married ? -1954 Cecilio Galvez
Home in 1930 : Pihuamo Carrizal, Jalisco
Have not been able to find any thing on my great grand father cecilio Galvez.
Galvez family in that time where scary people , After murdering 8 people he ended up getting murdered also My grand mother ended up marying a man called bonofacio which i cant get any leads also

1884-1962 Rafael Mora Nunez married to 1887 Victoria Barajas Mora
Home in 1930 : Pihuamo Rincon De La Cueva , Jalisco

1911-1957 Macario Mora Barajas 1916-2007 Maria de Rosario Alvarez Farias married in 1934

My grandfather macario is Originally from Jelotlan de los dolores,jalisco but i also have seen tecalitlan He was president of the town of pihuamo 1940-1942

1892 Bernabe Alvarez married to 1894 Florencia Farias
Home in 1930 : Pihuamo Rincon De La Cueva , Jalisco
Bernabe and Rafael Mora were the only ones who lived there,and census sheet with there families and were farmers, some of there kids ended marrying each other...

Bernabe family i was told came for michoacan some people say he came on a boat from somewhere

Would really appreciate any help or leads thanks so much

David,
 
Thank you.  In my search, I came across those same records as well.  However, without knowing Phelipa de la Cruz's mother's name, I cannot be sure Phelipa de la Cruz and Phelipa Masias are one and the same.  I would like to find a baptism record with Phelipa de la Cruz's mother's and father's name so I can use as cross reference.  Or, Mathias Morones' baptism record with his parents name so I can add another generation.
 
You mention Mathias Morones is your 7th ggfather.  He is my 5th ggfather.  Thank you again.
 
Susan Preciado
 
 
       

Nuestros Ranchos,
 
Regarding Joseph Gregorio Morones b. 1715 married to Leonor Peres about 1736 in Ayo el Chico and who was the patriarch of the Rio de Santa Maria Morones clan:  Records show Joseph's father as being Mathias Morones and mother being Phelipa de la Cruz.  Question:
 
1).  I cannot locate birth, christening or marriage records for Mathias Morones or Phelipa de la Cruz.  Their son Joseph Gregorio Morones was born in Zapotlanejo and Joseph later married Leonor in Ayo el Chico, however, I cannot find further birth, baptism or marriage records for either Mathias or Phelipa.  How do I continue my search to see if they migrated there from another part of Mexico? Do you have any suggestions.  Thank you.
 
Susan Preciado
 
 
 
 
--- On Thu, 5/24/12, Austin Perez wrote:

From: Austin Perez
Subject: Re: Romero in Encarnacion de Diaz. (Thank you)
To: "Ernie Preciado"
Date: Thursday, May 24, 2012, 9:15 AM

Thanks Susan. I think I have answers for your questions…although, I'm not sure if they are the correct answers : )

1. Basically it means that the couple shared a common ancestor within four generations (great-great grandparents) and required permission from the Catholic Church to marry. In this case Jose de la Paz and Regina Zermeno’s common ancestor was a great grandparent for one (tercero grado) and great-great grandparent for the other (cuarto grado). This information helps when searching for and confirming that you have the right ancestor.
 
2. Caquiste or Caquixtle was a rancho (puesto) located between Lagos and Encarnacion. I am not exactly sure where this is located; however there are two places that have this name, Caquixtle de Arriba (http://mexico.pueblosamerica.com/i/caquixtle-de-arriba/) and Caquixtle de Abajo (http://mexico.pueblosamerica.com/i/caquixtle-de-abajo/).
 
Also, from the website: http://www.historiasyrecuerdosdeencarnaciondediaz.com/encarnacion.html
“54. Don José María Guerra y de Alba, era hermano de Don Manuel Jacinto Guerra y de los Señores obispos Guerra y Alba, pues era el decimo de los hijos de Don Francisco Guerra y Gómez de Portugal y de su primera esposa Doña Gertrudis de Alba y Verdín, propietarios del Rancho El Caquixtle.”
 
3. I have Jose Maria Romero’s parents as Miguel Romero and Encarnacion Romo
 
4. In the older records this area was called el puesto Rio de Santa Maria, which later became the communities of Santa Maria de Abajo, Santa Maria de Enmedio and Santa Maria de Arriba. The attached map shows the 3 Santa Marias and the probable location of Caquixtle.
 
Although, I do not have Morones ancestors, they are closely related to many of my ancestors. My paternal grandfather and great grandfather both had a Morones godfather.
 
I have Teodoro’s parents as Leandro Morones and Rosalia Iniguez; Benita’s parents as Jose Maria Morones and Macedonia Valdivia; this and additional generations are in the attached ancestry tree for Ismael Morones.  The patriach of the Rio de Santa Maria Morones clan was Joseph Gregorio Morones married to Leonor Perez, they were originally from Ayo el Chico.  The following website (http://www.jorgemorones.com/morones/index.htm) has a Morones family tree that may help.
 
Best
Austin

From: Ernie Preciado
To: four_perezs@yahoo.com
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 1:37 AM
Subject: Romero in Encarnacion de Diaz. (Thank you)

 
 
Augustin,
 
You are truly amazing!  The information you have provided has been a great start.  Thank you very much. I have a few questions: 
 
     1.  What does it mean when it states 'this marriage required a consanguinity
          dispensation'? (tercero con cuatro grado).
     2.  Is there a town or rancho near Encarnacion de Diaz by the name 'Caquiste'?
     3.  I am searching for the names of Jose Maria Romero's parents.  He was born about
          1810. (Jose Maria Romero married Maria del Refugio Gonsalez 14 Jun 1837)
     4).  I do not see the name of a rancho called 'Santa Maria de Abajo' does it go by
           another name? I am looking for information on Teodoro Moronez (Morones) born
           around 1840, married Benita Moronez.  Teodoro was the son of Jose Maria
           Moronez and Macedonia Valdivia.  Also looking for Leonardo Moronez married
           to Rojelia Inigas.  I believe they all may have been from Santa Maria de Abajo 
           near Encarnacion de Diaz.  Any information you can provide would be helpful.
           Thank you. 
            
 
 
Susan Romero Preciado 

What are the traditional foods of Jalisco and for that matter Los Altos?

I remember going to the restaurant El Torito during lunch in high school here in Southern California in the 1980's and having my anglo friends ask me what certain items on the menu were. Tortilla soup? Stacked enchiladas? Fajitas? Rolled tacos? Chimichangas? Wet burritos? I remember saying, "What the hell is this? Must be the chef's menu from a previous position he held as a cook at Chino prison."

Our food at home was and still is:

Albondigas (meatball soup)
Fideo (pasta soup)
Picadillo (shredded beef with potatoes)
Steak Picado (bisteak meat with tomatoes, onions, and peppers)
Carne Asada (grilled meat and large green onions with no marinade)
Conchas (large pasta shells with onion, tomatoes, and peppers)
Caldo de rez (beef stew. I've heard it called cocido by other peeps)
And the main staple in the upper cupboard, cheese. That weird smelling stuff shaped like a round yellow cake. I used to stand behind my dad wearing a gas mask as he would make quesadillas.

So my question again is, "what are the traditional foods?" Is what I've mentioned above part of that or is it our assimilation here in the states? And what about the strange Mexican restaurant food I still come across now and then?

The Colonial era of Mexico facinates me. I am curious about those carriages that were used for transportation. I saw one in a museum in Zacatecas.

Also I am curios about the styles of clothing. For instance, the triangular colonial hats that they wore and also another style where some of the men wore scarf or cloth covering the scalps of their head. Kind of like what pirates wear.

On the mexican 50 peso bill, the picture Jose Maria Morelos wears one.

Can someone tell me what do you call that style of cloth that people from the colonial days wore covering the scalp of their heads? It is like what the pirates wore.

If there were a Nuestros Ranchos Colonial Costume party, what style would you wear?

I have been researching the last name "Rubio" and I have come up with the following information:

According to research author Gutierre Tibon in his "Diccionario Etimilogico Comparado de los Apellidos Espanoles, Hispanoamericanos y Filipinos" 1992 Fondo de Cultura Economica, S.A. Mexico. he states the following:

Rojo,

Hello

I am researching the link between the Romo family of San Buenaventura and Nadadores in northern Mexico, and the Romo de Vivar family of Aguascalientes.

I have found out that a man named Don Jose Raphael Romo and his son Manuel, both from Aguascalientes, came to Nadadores where Manual married Maria Ygnacia Rodriguez in 1816. Their children were born in Nadadores. However, one of their sons, Don Tomas Romo, married a woman named Maria Luciana Espinosa, and their children were born in San Buenaventura. One of their sons, Don Jesus Romo, married Dona Josefa Bustamante in San Juan Bautista in Lampazos de Naranjo. where most of their children were born, including my great grandmother Genoveva Romo, who as a teenager fled across the border to escape an arranged marriage. In San Antonio, she met and married a man from Italy, but her family from Mexico eventually also came to San Antonio.

The information about the title Don and Dona comes from the marriage records I have seen through Family Search (images of the pages from the marriage books), as did the note about where Jose Raphael and Manual came from.

I am currently reviewing the marriage records for Sagrario, Aguascalientes, late 1700s, trying to find the marriage record for Jose Raphael Romo and Maria Rafaela Agulilar, who is named as the mother of Manual in his record of marriage (she is desceased by that time, 1816). However, it is slow going, as I often get the message "Please try again later". I WOULD LIKE TO FIND OUT WHO THE PARENTS OF JOSE RAPHAEL ROMO WERE.

Therefore, if anyone had seen a reference to a Jose Raphael Romo from Aguascalientes, or a Maria Rafaela Aguilar from Aguascalientes, I would much appreciate a tip (cite the original source and internet link if possible). I have already exhausted the leads in the digitalized records in LDS, which is why the only way forward are the images of the original records, and this forum.

If there is anyone else who has a Romo ancestor from the above-mentioned villages/towns, I would be more than willing to post the genealogy I sent to the moderator of this site.

Regards

Denise Hernandez Fastrup, Denmark, born and raised in San Antonio Tx.

I have an ancestor from the late 1800's that was a Catholic priest in Zacatecas (possibly Jerez). I would like to find documentation, of his education. I presume the Catholic church has good records of all the priests graduating from the different seminaries in Mexico (Guadalajara, Zacatecas, etc...) I would appreciate any suggestions as to where to begin looking, online. Thanks in advance.

Hi,

I'm researching Castañeda, Sanchez and Galvan. My maternal family comes
from (mostly) Jerez, Zac., I've seen references for El Tesorero, Los
Cuervos and La Lagrima; I'm not sure, but I'm guessing these are
ranchitos in the area.

At this time I'm mainly interested in my great-grandparents Vida
Castañeda, born about 1882, and Bartolo Sanchez, born about 1864. I have
found baptismal certificates from La Inmaculada for two of Vita's
brothers, Apolinario Castañeda and Gregorio Castañeda, but not for her.

I'm also interested in my 2x great-grandparents, Gregorio Castañeda and
Ysabel Galvan. Gregorio was baptized at El Sagrario in Zacatecas, Zac. in
1859. (His parents were Juan Castañeda and Jesus Segovia.) I learned from
a baptismal certificate that Gregorio Castañeda was first married to a
Nasaria Rosales, and they had at least one son: Marin Castañeda, in 1881.
I do not know what happened to Nasaria Rosales.

My great-grandparents, Vita Castañeda and Bartolo Sanchez, were married
probably around 1900 since their first child, Antonia, was born in 1901,
I'm guessing they married in Jerez, Zac. Bartolo Sanchez died sometime
between the birth of their last daughter in 1916 and the 1920 census (El
Paso, TX), since my great-grandmother had remarried by then, to Antonio
Galvan (he may be related to Vita's mother), also from Jerez, Zac. I
cannot find any other info on Bartolo Sanchez after his arrival in the US
(at El Paso, TX) in 1914 with the rest of the family, including his sister
Sacramenta Sanchez.

I have plenty of history (with a few gaps) on my great-grandmother and her
children from their birth on. Vita Castañeda Sanchez Galvan died 18 Aug
1974 in Santa Rosa, CA. Interestingly enough, I grew up believing my
great-grandmother had been born in 1870 and was thus 104 when she died (I
was about 10). However, my research shows US arrival cards indicating her
birth year to be about 1882/3. I have no idea what happened to make her
later change the birth year.

I do not know the fate of my great-grandmother's siblings or father. Her
mother, according to my grandmother, died in El Paso, TX when my
grandmother was young (before 1920 census). My grandmother never
mentioned her father or aunts and uncles. My grandmother, Lupe Sanchez,
moved to San Francisco, CA in 1937 (and the rest of the family followed
within the next 10 years) and then retired in Santa Rosa, CA. She died 28
Aug 2003 at the age of 90.

Any help is appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Laura Gonzalez

Alguien sabrá donde se podrá ver por internet los testamentos antiguos de jalostotitlan , lagos, san Juan ,arandas y tepatitlan ,,, mil gracias de antemano

Augustin,
 
You are truly amazing!  The information you have provided is a great start.  Thank you very much. One last question, what does it mean when it states 'this marriage required a consanguinity despensation'? (tercero con cuatro grado).
 
Susan Romero Preciado 

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Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 21:24:20 -0500
From: Armando
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Donde encontrar testamentos jalisco???
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Hello Joseph,

The last wills are not in those links. They would be found in Notary
Records. I have not heard of any of them being put on line for Lagos, San
Juan, Jalos, Tepa, or Arandas.

For Lagos he would have to go personally to the Archivo Historico de la
Parroquia de la Asuncion de Lagos de Moreno maintained by Mario G?mez Mata
He can learn more about that in a post Miguel Beltr?n made about the
inauguration at http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/19307

Armando

On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 6:04 AM, Joseph Puentes wrote:

i'm not sure if i posted this in the correct category for this forum but i want to add films for Huejuquilla el Alto in the jalisco section of the films page. the website familysearch has records for Huejuquilla el Alto.

Zacatecano,

My primo in Aguascalientes who is very involved in Charreadas wears the scarf under his charro hat. I asked him why he wore it since I only recalled J. Ma Morelos and the Californios. His response was to keep the hat on. Apparently the silk scarf gives his hat traction. My primo is losing his hair by the way.

Irma Gomez Gtz
N. California

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> Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 2:03 PM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] What colonial clothing style would you wear if there were a colonial costume party?
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> The Colonial era of Mexico facinates me.? I am curious about those carriages that were used for transportation.? I saw one in a museum in Zacatecas.
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> Also I am curios about the styles of clothing.? For instance, the triangular colonial hats that they wore and also another style where some of the men wore scarf or cloth covering the scalps of their head.? Kind of like what pirates wear.
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> On the mexican 50 peso bill, the picture Jose Maria Morelos wears one.
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> Can someone tell me what do you call that style of cloth that people from the colonial days wore covering the scalp of their heads? It is like what the pirates wore.
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> If there were a Nuestros Ranchos Colonial Costume party,? what style would you wear?
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