Nuestros Ranchos Site

Greetings fellow NR Members--
I wanted to share that I have been doing some research in Mexicali and found a great resource for historical documents at the Instituto de Investigaciones Históricas, Universidad Autónoma de Baja California in Tijuana.

They have a great collection of historical records for the entire state of Baja California, I found a military document pertaining to a family member who was taking over the command of a military post in Mexicali in 1905. The archives can be accessed by the general public, and they allow non-flash photography. They are also very helpful and currently, there is no cost to access or photograph a document.

Instituto de Investigaciones Históricas, Universidad Autónoma de Baja California
They are in Tijuana - here is a list of their collections: http://iih.tij.uabc.mx/historicas/menu/ServiciosComunidad/Acervos/Catal…

Their home webpage is http://iih.tij.uabc.mx/historicas/home.php

I don't know if this will help Denise, but I, too, have roots in Nadadores
that were Tlaxcaltecos, and they were identified as such in their
children's birth certificates (Lucas and Tomas), the latter having been born in
Gigedo, Coahuila (now known as Villa Union).
Gaspar Bermeo married abt 1742 MaCandalaria de los Rios in Nadadores,
Coahuila (Indios Tlaxcaltecos)

I was cleaning up my inbox and noticed that back in Jan. 2012 our great resource, Enrique Agraz, posted this response to Esther: I have a Jose Antonio Rosales married with Gertrudis Garcia de Alba in 28 January 1731, these are my ancestors too but considering the date of possible birth of your Jose Antonio, it wouldn't be possible to be the same. They had a son named Antonio Jose Rosales married with Maria Micaela de Villalvazo, I hope this may be useful.

Carl and I were able to find some interesting things about the younger Jose Antonio.
He is actually the son of Jose Antonio Rosales and Gertudis Garcia de Alba.
Carl found his burial record which mentions he was the "Viudo de 4 mujeres" (the hunt was on):
9 March, 1793
Film 1155470
Page 92
Image 142
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18562-6486-34?cc=1874591&wc=…

They were: Maria Josepha Andrea Otuel, Juana Gertudes Vasquez, Michaela Villavasso, and Maria Petra Ramirez.

I think this is an example of how collaboration can help us sort out complicated lives of our ancestors and make this process more fun and interesting. If anyone else is interested in specific dates, please let us know. Deedra Corona

Hola a todos:

Desde hace algunos días, gracias a las vacaciones pude dedicarme un poco más a la genealogía. Mis investigaciones me llevaron a descubrir muchos nuevos antepasados y uno de los más célebres es Sebastián Vizcaíno.

Sebastián Vizcaíno, fue un navegante español muy importante en su tiempo, llegando a ser el primer europeo en ocupar el cargo de embajador en Japón. Se desconoce su origen, pero ví en algunas fuentes que debido al trato preferencial y acercamiento con el virrey Luis de Velasco y Castilla, se llegó a plantear la hipótesis de que éste pudiera ser medio hermano de Sebastián. Vizcaíno, es un gentilicio y no un apellido, es por eso que se piensa que Sebastián fue hijo natural de un hidalgo, como lo menciona en un documento donde dice que participó en la invasión española a Portugal en una tropa financiada por su padre que era un hidalgo. Ahora bien, el virrey siempre otorgó privilegios a Sebastián y favorecío en demasía su carrera.
¿Ustedes creen que existen suficientes fundamentos para pensar que efectivemente Sebastián Vizcaíno fue hijo natural del virrey Luis de Velasco y Ruiz de Alarcón, padre del virrey Luis de Velasco y Castilla?

Otro de mis nuevos nombres en el árbol genealógico es el del Lic. Francisco Rio y Delorme, quién fue fiscal de la Real Audiencia de Guadalajara y estuvo casado con Ana Enríquez Topete y Ahumada. Me parece, que el Lic. Francisco Rico, fue el fundador de dicho apellido en Jalisco, dado que todos mis antepasados que llevan como apellido Rico, entroncan con esta persona. Mi pregunta es ¿Alguien sabe el nombre de los padres de Francisco Rico o su ascendencia?

Por último, la esposa de Francisco Rico, era hija del Capitán Pedro Enríquez Topete, corregidor de Tlajomulco, ví en algunos libros que era sobrino del Álferez Real Tomás González Figueroa y Campofrío, pero no menciona los padres de Pedro, alguien sabe sus nombres y sí es correcto que es familiar de dicho álferez?

Bueno, como siempre les agradezco por su ayuda. Les deseo una muy feliz Navidad y un mejor Año Nuevo, mucha suerte en todos los aspectos y que el próximo año también sea bueno para ustedes en descubrimientos genealógicos.

Enrique Agraz

Como todo principiante en este tema de la genealogía, siempre me provocado interés el conocer a los primeros españoles que llegaron a colonizar lo que se llamo “La Nueva Galicia”, y navegando en la red encontré, esta pagina que nombra 117 familias españolas que la colonizaron, quizás para los estudiosos de la materia no sea ninguna novedad, pero para muchos de nosotros que nos iniciamos en el tema si tiene mucha relevancia.

La pagina en cuestión es:

http://www.boehm-chronik.com/mexico/primerasfamilias.htm

Los apellidos de dichas familias son:
(se conservará la ortografía original)

1.- Aceves (Documentada desde principios del siglo XVII en Jalostotitlán; San José de Moctezuma, hoy Basarte; Capilla de Guadalupe; Ojo de Agua de los Aceves y 1770: en Ojo de Agua de Aceves [4x], Buei [4x], Carriso, Atotonilquillo)
2.- Alba (de)
3.- Alcalá y Mendoza
4.- Aldrete
5.- Alvarez del Castillo
6.- Alvarez-Tostado
7.- Anava
8.- Anda-Altamirano (de)
9.- Aranda
10.- Ascencio de León
11.- Azuela de San Palayo (de la)
12.- Camacho-Riquelme
13.- Camarena
14.- Carlín
15.- Casillas y Cabrera
16.- Cuéllar
17.- Chávez-Fragoso
18.- Díaz del Castillo
19.- Díaz-Infante
20.- Díaz-Varela
21.- Díaz de Sandi
22.- Enríquez del Castillo
23.- Escoto-Tovar
24.- Esquivel y Vargas
25.- Estévez y Guzmán
26.- Estrada-Bocanegra
27.- Fernández de Palos
28.- Fernández de Rueda
29.- Fernández de San Salvador
30.- Flores-Alatorre
31.- Flores de la Torre
32.- Franco de Cueva
33.- Franco de Escalante
34.- Franco de Paredes
35.- Gallegos
36.- Galván de Rojas
37.- García de Hermosillo
38.- García de León
39.- Gómez de Espejo
40.- Gómez-Hurtado de Mendoza
41.- Gómez de Portugal
42.- González del Castillo
43.- González de Hermosillo
44.- González de Laris
45.- González-Rubio
46.- González de Rubalcava
47.- González de San Román
48.- Guerra
49.- Guerra de San Román
50.- Gutiérrez de Hermosillo
51.- Gutiérrez de Laris
52.- Gutiérrez de Mendoza
53.- Gutiérrez-Rubio
54.- Gutiérrez de Velasco
55.- Helguera (de la)
56.- Hernández-Gamiño
57.- Herrera
58.- Hurtado
59.- Hurtado de Mendoza
60.- Hurtado de Mendoza y Olivares
61.- Issasi
62.- Jiménez de Castro
63.- Jiménez de Mendoza
64.- Landeros
65.- Leal de Avala
66.- Lomelín (Lomellini)
67.- López de Heredia
68.- López de Lara
69.- López de Nava
70.- López de Rivadeneyra
71.- Lozano-Isla
72.- Macháin
73.- Macías-Valadez
74.- Manzo de Zúñiga
75.- Márquez de los Olivos
76.- Martín del Campo
77.- Martín-Gallardo
78.- Martín de Sotomayor
79.- Mora-Hurtado de Mendoza (de la)
80.- Moreno de Ortega
81.- Mota-Padilla (de la) (véase Padilla-Dávila)
82.- Muñoz de la Barba
83.- Muñoz de Hermosillo
84.- Muñoz de Jerez
85.- Muñoz de Nava
86.- Murguía
87.- Navarro-Gaytán (Documentada 1770: en Pandillo [3x], Tepatitlán [2x], San Antonio del Serro Gordo [2x], Juntas [2x], Tinaja, Ormigas, Piedra Herrada, Ojo de Agua de Aceves)
88.- Ortiz de Parada
89.- Ortiz-Peguero
90.- Padilla-Dávila
91.- Parga y Gayosso
92.- Peña (de la)
93.- Pérez-Franco
94.- Pérez de Paredes (véase Pérez-Franco)
95.- Pérez-Sandi
96.- Portillo (del)
97.- Rábago
98.- Ramírez de Hermosillo
99.- Ramírez de Mendoza
100.- Rentería
101.- Reynosa y Rentería
102.- Rodríguez de Portugal
103.- Romero de Chávez
104.- Romo de Vivar
105.- Ruiz de Esparza
106.- Sáinez de Santiago
107.- Sánchez de Porras
108.- San Román
109.- Tavera de la Vega
110.- Tello de Orozco
111.- Torre-Ledesma (de la)
112.- Torres
113.- Valdivia
114.- Vázquez de Victoria
115.- Vázquez de Zermeño
116.- Verdín
117.- Villalobos

Fuentes:
Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia - Tomo 2, Esquemas Genealógicos: Las Familias Genearcas, por Mariano Gonzalez-Leal , 1983, 497 páginas

Padrón de la Feligresía de Tepatitlán de 1770, por Jose de Jesus de Leon Arteaga , 2006, 98 páginas

Hello,
I came across an old posting which stated that the 1650 (and other?) Census for Tlaltenango had been posted online on yahoo.com. But that yahoo group is no longer active and I haven't been able to find the scans on nuestrosranchos.org

Does anyone have a copy of the Census for Tlaltenango for the 17th & 18th centuries? I've already looked at the 1773 Census, which is available online at the Guadalajara Diocesis, but am hoping to look at other years.

Thanks,
Arturo Gonzalez

To all,

I've attached a link to the Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society's Facebook Page where I've uploaded photographs of our 2012 Conference held in Sacramento, California on Saturday May 12th.

The State Archives were absolutely beautiful. The State Archivist was very excited to host their first Genealogical Society Conference ever. They were extremely warm and gracious. The conference included two tours of the State Archives/facilities. They setup several displays throughout the facility specifically for our visit. Included were the muster rolls for the civil war that included the Spanish and the Mexicans that fought in the Civil War. Also included were land grants of the early Spanish Californios.

Our current President Robert Hernandez did a wonderful job of organizing and hosting this event. The finale was a presentation by the Trio Los Zafiros. They played beautifully and described some of the early Mexican music such as boleros and rancheras.

Our presenter, including our own Nuestros Ranchos Claudia Casillas made her presentation on the Dispensas of Guadalajara. Claudia, thank you for agreeing to present at our conference, it was a pleasure meeting you. We also presented her with a certificate from our other fearless leader, Jospeh Puentes of Nuestros Ranchos for her hard work and generous contribution of the Dispensas Blog.

The finale was dinner across the street at Vallejo's Mexican Restaurant where the Zafiros played to our hearts content, we all sang our hearts out and enjoyed the no host buffet dinner.

Thank you Robert and thank you all who made this event another success.

Feel free to go on our website to view the photos.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Nueva-Galicia-Genealogical-Society/13641…

Alicia

Thanks to a distant cousin's research on our Durango family line, I learned
that an ancestor which was labeled as "padre no conocido" had her father
later identified as part of her marriage information and dispensation
process in 1708. I was shocked to learn that the Church gave her and her
uncle dispensation to marry. She was the illegitimate child of his
brother. I guess the moral of the genealogy story is not to assume the
line is lost until all the data is in. What it says about the Church at
that place and time is another matter.

I was wondering if anyone has visited their local LDS family search center. What's different from what you find online at familysearch.org? Is it worthwhile to go? One's here in town, and I'm debating. Will they try to convert me? ;-p

Also, how do people organize their genealogy papers? Besides online, I like to keep physical copies, because it's easier to look and find stuff. Do people have a different binder per person/family/etc?

Just started doing this and not sure what would be best way. Currently have paternal and maternal binders, with dividers for direct descendents, followed by siblings, next generation, siblings, etc. I also have maps in the binder.

Thanks!

It's very interesting and a first for me.  All I can make out are the names.
Can anyone tell what language is used in these Huichapan, Hidalgo baptism records?
Perhaps one of the many languages spoken then and now in the different areas of Spain.
Thanks so much,  Alice
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-11711-26828-50?cc=1410092&wc…

Hello,
There are no marriage records available for Talpalpa. There are "Matrimonial Information" records--but only for Indios. Does anyone have a clue where to locate marriage records from this area?
Thank you,
Deedra

Does anybody in the group have a copy of Esteban Valdes Salazar's pamphlet on Saint Cristobal Magallanes Jara's genealogy? I know that somebody in the group shared a scan of the cover with me early on... but I was wondering if someone had the content as well... particularly the Magallanes side. I have the Jara side from Esteban Valdes' Jaras de Totatiche book going pretty far back... That is available in my online database if anyone is interested:

http://www.ramosfamily.org/nextgen/pedigree.php?personID=I730

I know a lot of people in this group have lived or traveled in Jalisco and the Los Altos region.  Sadly, I am not one of them.  I am curious if anybody recognized any of the locations that appeared in the film "For Greater Glory"?  I tried searching on the Internet for specific information regarding filming locations but nothing turned up.  I read some of the battles were filmed at actual locations.  Also, what happened to the expert on the Cristero Rebellion, Steven Hernandez?  He did a Masters thesis on it.  I would love to hear his opinion about the film.  I remember a long time ago he would leave posts on Nuestros Ranchos that were really interesting.

I contacted Family Search about a batch of Defunciones that they didn't upload. They said they would talk to their people about it.

They also told me:

"Would you like to learn about new features and updates to FamilySearch? A series of seminars detailing changes to FamilySearch and how to use the new features will be presented for our patrons. Here is the link to a seminar to be held Tuesday, June 19. This link gives the particulars: Presented by Robert Kehrer; https://familysearch.org/blog/robert-kehrer-presents-familysearch-webin…

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

Estoy en proceso de publicar la información de mi árbol genealógico a través de mi página personal, la cual contiene información de diversos estados como Jalisco, Zacatecas, Michoacán, y más.

Comparto esta información, pues me daría bastante gusto saber si alguno de los miembros de Nuestros Ranchos tiene alguna relación con mi árbol genealógico, y así continuar actualizando/enriqueciendo nuestra investigación.

Particularmente yo he logrado conectar mi árbol con la genealogía de dos miembros de Nuestros Ranchos. A ellos estaré enviándoles un mensaje para compartirles el hallazgo, así como dándoles merecido crédito y reconociéndoles, con su autorización, como fuentes de información en mi genealogía.

Pueden consultar mi página en la siguiente dirección:

www.genealogia.proyecto30cero.com

Si tienen alguna pregunta o comentario, les agradeceré me lo hagan saber.

¡Espero que todos continúen teniendo bastante éxito en su búsqueda!

¡Saludos!

Jorge Chipres

Hi

I sometimes see this phrase:

EXPUESTO Y CRIADO EN LA CASA

What does it mean in English?

For whoever can help me with it, thanks!

Denise

I hope this is the correct place to post a subject for assistance/discussion.
There is an entry for my maternal GGGG grandfather Ignacio Delgadillo in the following location:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18410-4495-8?cc=1874591&wc=1…
which begins on image 164 with a couple torn/pasted pages and continues to image 174 on the left page. I understand there was an issue with infidelity and separation of several years but cannot read enough to understand what other details are in the doument or final disposition. Also, cannot find names of other persons in the document that would give any information or clues to other famdily members. I saw the term 'desavenencia' toward the end but not sure if the marriage was dissolved. If anyone has the time to look at this, any light on the issue is greatly appreciated.

The movie brought back some memories of my Garcia-Vallejo families stories of that era and how it affected them. Most of both familes left their towns during this horrific period. My parents were teenagers and left only 5 months before this war ended. I knew that they had been married a few days before they left for California to join their people here. My mother, when we ask, stated that they were married very quietly and secretively by a priest away from their home in Teocaltiche. She explained that it was a time when the churches were closed. Before the movie I took an interest and began Google searches to learn more. I saw pictures that moved me to tears and I began to realize what my family had survived. My mother's father Andres a few year later left to return to Mexico to seek his land that he had left who knows who in charge of things. Sadly the outcome was something he had feared; they had lost their land. He must have been heartbroken because he died there
shortly never to return to his family in Calif. I was not born yet. I feel such saddness realizing how they continued their life here, starting over. But I also better understood what made them so strong in their beliefs, in the future and of course their faith. I admire my ancestors so very much and try to live with the strength that I inherited.
As for the movie, I was glad I got to see it. It was so real, so passionate and an example of good and evil. Nothing justifies what Callas mandated, nothing.

Carmen Meraz Garcia Vallejo

My name is Raul Bracamonte Munoz and I'm thrilled to be a new member of the Nuestros Ranchos familia.

While my research takes me to many places within northern Mexico, a key focus area for me is Villa de Cos and the surrounding haciendas. I also have an interest in Sierra Hermosa, Jerez, Fresnillo, and the city of Zacatecas.

Within these areas of Zacatecas, the primary family names I am researching are: Munoz, Vasquez del Mercado, Rodriguez and Sanchez.

Before 1850, I also have an interest in Rodarte, Gonzalez de Solis, Martinez de Orosco, Ruiz de Chavez, Caldera, Romo de Vivar, Carrion, Delgadillo, Castrejon, Campa y Cos, de Avila, and Marin.

Please feel free to review my folder with descendant charts that include many of these names.

When researching film, I typically concentrate on older files that have not been indexed. So if you would like me to keep an eye open for family members you may be researching, please feel free to let me know.

I'd also like to note that I make every effort to only place individuals in my family tree if I have direct and conclusive evidence that supports the relationship. Happy to show my work if there are any questions regarding individuals found in my files. There are a few exceptions within the Rodarte family.

Other than familysearch.org and ancestry.com, if anyone can recommend any other sites that provide records for my focus area, please let me know.

Thank you.

The scribe at this church has interesting penmanship, that I am having a hard time reading.

Marriage of Jose María Romo and Sirilda Santos (hard to read document)
10 Mar 1820
El Sagrario,Aguascalientes,Aguascalientes,Mexico
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11709-81325-1?cc=1410092&w…

I hope that the link works..
information is on pages 30-218 to 31-218

I cannot read their parents names clearly:
Pedro Romo-father
? -mother
where in the city?

which Rancho did Sirilda/Cirilia Santos come from?

Florencino? Santos-father
? - mother

Maybe I am trying too hard, my eyes are crossed...

Thank you,
Debra Perez

Hola amigos del foro, hoy encontré un dato nuevo para uno de mis ancestros. Juan de la Cámara y Menoyo aparece como Capitán Juan de la Cámara y Menoyo en un documento, en el que también se menciona que es Teniente del pueblo de Jalpa. En dicho documento aparece como Juez Receptor, junto con algunos testigos de dicho pueblo.
Me gustaría saber si hay algún fondo documental donde buscar más información, sabiendo que una persona tenía ciertos cargos en algún pueblo o ciudad.
No encuentro el nombre de sus padres, ni tampoco los de su esposa María Flores de la Torre, vecinos de Jalpa. Gracias.

Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.

Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, México.

The following is what I received from one of the California Missions of my ancestors on their marriage:

On May25th, 1859 Francisco Carrizosa 34, native of Tujuta Son. residing in el Rancho of San Jose, widower of Jesus Celaya of Jose & Pabla (Paula) Gastelo with Micaela Manzanero, 36 widow of Franco. Bustamante also of sonora of Pedro & Concepcion Ortiz, living in S. Jose, Ramon Andrade & Maria del Carmen Guillen witness.

I am not sure who Jose & Paula Gastelo are related to. Are they the parents to Francisco Carrisosa or to Jesus Celaya? The other question is, is the surname Gastelo the maiden name to Paula and assuming Jose's surname is Carrisosa or Celaya? I have the same questions for Pedro & Concepcion Ortiz.

Thank you. Anna Miklovic

Hola, I was wondering if anyone knew when Ysabel Miramontes and Andres Martines Correa got married. i cant find their info, they lived in tlaltenango in the 1600's, any help is appreciated

In the "Files" tab, "Reference Materials"
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/20642

Does somebody have any further information (marriage date, parents' names) for the following couple who lived in Colotlan, Jalisco in the early 1700s?

Hay alguien en el grupo que tenga mayor informacion (fecha de matrimonio, nombre de padres) de la siguiente pareja que vivio en Colotlan, Jalisco a principios del siglo XVIII?

GENERATION 1
1. Felipe MARQUEZ DE LOS OLIVOS
m. Francisca Xaviera SANCHEZ
Children:
2. Francisco Xavier MARQUEZ DE LOS OLIVOS
3. Joseph MARQUEZ DE LOS OLIVOS
4. Joseph Antonio MARQUEZ DE LOS OLIVOS

GENERATION 2
2. Francisco Xavier MARQUEZ DE LOS OLIVOS
m. Maria Narcisa SANCHEZ CASTELLANOS 22 Feb 1751, Tlaltenango,
Zacatecas
Children:
5. Jose Felipe Atanacio MARQUEZ SANCHEZ
6. Jose Dionicio MARQUEZ SANCHEZ b. 1762; c. 28 Feb 1762, Tlaltenango,
Zacatecas
7. Maria Gervacia MARQUEZ SANCHEZ b. 1753.
8. Thomas Antonio MARQUEZ SANCHEZ b. 1752.
9. Joseph Julian MARQUEZ SANCHEZ b. 1755.
10. Josepha Martina MARQUEZ SANCHEZ b. 1771; c. 01 Apr 1771, Colotlan, Jalisco
11. Francisco Xavier MARQUEZ SANCHEZ b. 1757; c. 24 Nov 1757, Colotlan, Jalisco
12. Juana Maria MARQUEZ SANCHEZ b. 1765; c. 24 Jun 1765, Santa Maria
Mecatabasco, Zacatecas

3. Joseph MARQUEZ DE LOS OLIVOS
m. Simona RAMIREZ 01 Nov 1735.

4. Joseph Antonio MARQUEZ DE LOS OLIVOS (1.Felipe1)
m. Juana Francisca GAMBOA 03 Mar 1726, Colotlan, Jalisco