The orginal indigenous inhabitants of the area around Momax, Zacatecas
were Caxcanes, Tepecanos and perhaps Zacatecas. All of these ethnic
groups were Uto-Aztecan speakers, meaning that the languages that they
What's in the telling of our stories and telling of our lives? It depends........, could be a great deal or very little, depending on who's doing the telling and who's doing the listening.
I, because I've been consumed with geneaological research for the last year and a half, communicate this to almost anyone who will listen, who is family or may be family or may want to be family or may want to just listen to me babble.
Fabulous. . .imagin finding a book that many don't know about that gives
much history about your area. Maybe we can shift that interview to el
Señor Jesus Duran Rodriguez if he is still living. Great possibility
that he is if he printed the book in 1991.
Terriffic Alicia, gracias for your great contributions.
I wonder if that Cofradia de la Animas is the other "Animas" I've seen
that appears to be in Jalisco. I get excited when I hear of any "Animas"
but I'm pretty sure this is not mine.
joseph
Alicia Carrillo wrote:
>What's in the telling of our stories and telling of our lives? It depends........, could be a great deal or very little, depending on who's doing the telling and who's doing the listening.
>
> I, because I've been consumed with geneaological research for the last year and a half, communicate this to almost anyone who will listen, who is family or may be family or may want to be family or may want to just listen to me babble.
>
> In one of my spurts a few months back, I began to relate to one of my sister's friends who is from Mexico with ancestors from Monterey, Nuevo Leon and from Chihuahua how I was doing family research. One conversation led to another and while she listened to my musings she interrupted me to say that she believed we might be related to her boyfriend, as he had mentioned in their long courtship some of the same family names and the same towns and ranchos. She then told us that he had a book on Nochistlan which I assumed would be Jose Luis Vasquez y Rodriguez de Frias' book. I showed her my copy of this book and she said it was a different one that focused on the Duranes of Nochistlan, Zac, written by a Duran of Nochistlan. A couple of weeks later she came with her boyfriend. Sure enough, her boyfriend's grandparents were from Nochistlan.
>
> Last night they dropped by with this book, written in spanish by Ingeniero Jesus Duran Rodriguez with a prologue by Mariano Gonzalez Leal. The title is; NOCHISTLAN, ZACATECAS, Su Parroquia, Los Duran y otras familias antiguas. Estudio Historico-Genealogico. It is 349 long delicious pages of local history.
> This hardback book was printed in 1991 in Monterrey, N.L, Mexico and has many photographs but it does not have an ISBN number.
> They let me borrow this book and will allow me to present it to our next Northern California meeting to be held in July in Brentwood Ca.They might also consider attending this meeting with me if their schedule allows it. If there are any of you out there from the Nochistlan area or any other town mentioned below that are interested in research of this area, this book is full of family and histrorical data.
>
> Some of the other Zacatecas towns are Apulco, Jalpa, Toyahua, Tenayuca, Cofradia de la Animas and Tlachichila. It also includes families from Mexticacan, Yahualica, Jalostitlan, Tepatitlan and Teocaltiche Jalisco as well as Aguascalientes. It lists property owners, Census records, death, marriage, baptism and church records, slavery in Nochistlan and much local and regional history since the founding of this city.
>
> That's all for now,
> Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo
>
>
>
>
>
As I am new to the group and in the early stages of my research, I'm sure
some of the questions I have may seem to be pretty basic.
In the email exchanges I've noticed so far, and through a cursory overview
of geopolitical maps of Zacatecas (I've also found Momax, my ancestral
hometown, which has given me some small degree of excitement), I've noticed than many
of the indigenous-sounding place names seem quite similar to Nahuatl, of
Aztec fame. Were the original inhabitants of Zacatecas related to those famous
ancestors--either linguistically, ethnically, culturally or a combination of
all three?
Tony Diaz
Wow!!! That's really exciting news, Alicia! What a blessing for you to
find a distant kinsman, too!:) Marge:)
On Apr 9, 2006, at 3:03 PM, Alicia Carrillo wrote:
> nd while she listened to my musings she interrupted me to say that she
> believed we might be related to her boyfriend, as he had mentioned in
> their long courtship some of the same family names and the same towns
> and ranchos. She then told us that he had a book on Nochistlan which I
> assumed would be Jose Luis Vasquez y Rodriguez de Frias' book. I
> showed her my copy of this book and she said it was a different one
> that focused on the Duranes of Nochistlan, Zac, written by a Duran of
> Nochistlan. A couple of weeks later she came with her boyfriend. Sure
> enough, her boyfriend's grandparents were from Nochistlan.
>
> Last night they dropped by with this book, written in spanish by
> Ingeniero Jesus Duran Rodriguez with a prologue by Mariano Gonzalez
> Leal. The title is; NOCHISTLAN, ZACATECAS, Su Parroquia, Los Duran y
> otras familias antiguas. Estudio Historico-Genealogico. It is 349 long
> delicious pages of local history.
> This hardback book was printed in 1991 in Monterrey, N.L, Mexico and
> has many photographs but it does not have an ISBN number.
>
Sorry,
That Brickwall workshop will be on April 13, not April 23 and it is free.
Alicia
Alicia Carrillo wrote:
For anyone living in the Seattle area there will be a workshop on April 23 at the NARA facility. See the link below.
I am listening to a book on tape called "Havanna Dreams." It has a lot
of Cuba's history in it as related to Fidel Castro. One section was
talking about this dish that was named in such a way that it sounded
Black beans and rice are also called "Casamiento" in parts of Latin American. The term means "marriage" which I believe is a reference to interracial marriages.
Another common term is "Gallo Pinto" meaning "multi-colored rooster"
In Brazil, there is a food which is basically a hard nut bar composed of nuts in honey or sugar syrup with a name that translates as black boy's foot or something of the sort. I cannot remember the name in Portuguese at the moment.
Joseph,
That is a very popular everyday dish in Cuba and in Puerto Rico. You can go on to the Daisy Cooks website and find the recipe. Daisy Cooks can frequently be found on PBS cooking shows.
Alicia Carrillo
Joseph Puentes wrote:
I am listening to a book on tape called "Havanna Dreams." It has a lot
of Cuba's history in it as related to Fidel Castro. One section was
talking about this dish that was named in such a way that it sounded
like it had Racial Overtones. The black bean and rice dish was called
"Moros y Christianos" or something like that.
Has anyone ever heard of this or other foods that had reference to Race?
joseph
Tony:
I am switiching this conversation to the Research list since this is really a research topic.
There are 26 Gerardo Diaz in the Social Security death index. Where did your gradfather initially live/work when he immigrated to the United States? Where did he cross the border (El Paso? Nogales?) Do you know when and where he died?
Here
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I'm Here. -Natalie C. Coleman, Virginia
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Thank you for your assistance... I am eager to begin my research.
My grandfather's name was Gerardo Diaz.
This where I plan to be on Monday morning rather than at work
joseph
===================================
Monday, April 10 National Day of Action for immigrant's rights
(rallies/marches will be held all over the country)
Great! If they're documented immigrants. Marge
On Apr 8, 2006, at 7:11 AM, Joseph Puentes wrote:
> This where I plan to be on Monday morning rather than at work
>
> joseph
>
> ===================================
>
> Monday, April 10 National Day of Action for immigrant's rights
> (rallies/marches will be held all over the country)
>
>
> At UNC on monday morning again at 9:50 we'll be meeting to repeat
> friday's event
> (south building and march)...and go into the pit with information on
> the siler city as
> well and make more signs. have flags from different countries, chants
> and then we'll try
> to have music about immigrants. USA flags are more than welcome. Since
> we are all here to
> achieve the American Dream! :)
>
> PLEASE REMEMBER TO WEAR A SOLID WHITE T-SHIRT.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
We know that nearly all of the old Ranchos members made it over to the new site by logging in at least once since the site was launched.
However, there is a large number of people who are not signed up for the mailing lists. Joseph did the first step of the process for a number of people when he moved their files over from the old site. However, in order for the mailing list sign-up process to be completed, the person signing up MUST reply to the confirmation e-mails that she or he receives.
Hi, I'm not getting any emails to any postings. I'm pretty sure I've subscribed correctly. Can someone please check for me, I've missed my messages that I enjoy getting everyday!
Carol (feeling lost)
...or is it harder to post a message? I don't mean to come to the site and actually post. But, when Ranchos was around, it was easy to see and respond to a message because it popped up in our email. Now we actually have to come to the site...and I'm finding that, now, I'm not doing it as often. I love the site, really, it just seems harder. I feel like I haven't really had any dialogue with anyone. :o(
Hi Peggy!
If you or any of the Ranchos members....(or anyone else) are ever in San
Antonio please let me know and I will take you for a drive by Sandra
Cisneros' house.....she is indeed a special person and made a few headlines
here (there) in SA some time ago when she went against the norm and had her
house painted a very "latino color".....which ruffled a few feathers in her
historic neighborhood! Needless to say, all turned out well because the hot
Texas sun actually "toned down" the "hot color" and it was "acceptable" :-)
We had the same color controversy in SA when our wonderful central public
library was also painted a "latino color" which was referred to as
"enchilada red" by a lot of our notables......there was a little controversy
about that but it was finally accepted! Actually, I LOVE the "latino
colors" on buildings. This is so typical of Mexico and other Latin
countries! When I drive to the central library, the only way I can find it
is by looking for the "enchilada red" tall building! BTW, I just love
enchiladas!!! :-)
Josie
-----Original Message-----
From: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of
scooterpie1968
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 10:17 PM
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Is is just me....??
...or is it harder to post a message? I don't mean to come to the site and
actually post. But, when Ranchos was around, it was easy to see and respond
to a message because it popped up in our email. Now we actually have to
come to the site...and I'm finding that, now, I'm not doing it as often. I
love the site, really, it just seems harder. I feel like I haven't really
had any dialogue with anyone. :o( On a brighter note, I went to a book
signing/reading last weekend with Sandra Cisneros. For all the readers in
the group, I recommend all her books - especially to the women. She writes
with so much passion...she's so lyrical in her words. Her last book,
Caramelo, I've read about 20 times. Ms. Cisneros signed my copy and a copy
of poetry of hers that I bought at the signing called, "Loose Woman". I
know this doesn't seem to have anything to do with genealogy, but her book,
Caramelo, is the story of the main characters family, as her
great-grandfather was from Spain, her grandparents from Mexico, and,
finally, as her father made his way from Mexico to Chicago. It's a fun book
with lots of historical references that you all may find entertaining.
Muchas Smooches!
Peggy
Hi Josie! Thanks for the offer...I'm a very big fan of hers and, during the reading, she actually talked about her house "controversy". Like you, I love when house are brightly painted (in warm tones) although I can't seem to like the bright pink house trimmed with bright blue (down the street from my mom's house.)
Peggy
"Josie T. Trevino" wrote:
Hi Peggy!
If you or any of the Ranchos members....(or anyone else) are ever in San
Antonio please let me know and I will take you for a drive by Sandra
Cisneros' house.....she is indeed a special person and made a few headlines
here (there) in SA some time ago when she went against the norm and had her
house painted a very "latino color".....which ruffled a few feathers in her
historic neighborhood! Needless to say, all turned out well because the hot
Texas sun actually "toned down" the "hot color" and it was "acceptable" :-)
We had the same color controversy in SA when our wonderful central public
library was also painted a "latino color" which was referred to as
"enchilada red" by a lot of our notables......there was a little controversy
about that but it was finally accepted! Actually, I LOVE the "latino
colors" on buildings. This is so typical of Mexico and other Latin
countries! When I drive to the central library, the only way I can find it
is by looking for the "enchilada red" tall building! BTW, I just love
enchiladas!!! :-)
Josie
-----Original Message-----
From: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of
scooterpie1968
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 10:17 PM
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Is is just me....??
...or is it harder to post a message? I don't mean to come to the site and
actually post. But, when Ranchos was around, it was easy to see and respond
to a message because it popped up in our email. Now we actually have to
come to the site...and I'm finding that, now, I'm not doing it as often. I
love the site, really, it just seems harder. I feel like I haven't really
had any dialogue with anyone. :o( On a brighter note, I went to a book
signing/reading last weekend with Sandra Cisneros. For all the readers in
the group, I recommend all her books - especially to the women. She writes
with so much passion...she's so lyrical in her words. Her last book,
Caramelo, I've read about 20 times. Ms. Cisneros signed my copy and a copy
of poetry of hers that I bought at the signing called, "Loose Woman". I
know this doesn't seem to have anything to do with genealogy, but her book,
Caramelo, is the story of the main characters family, as her
great-grandfather was from Spain, her grandparents from Mexico, and,
finally, as her father made his way from Mexico to Chicago. It's a fun book
with lots of historical references that you all may find entertaining.
Muchas Smooches!
Peggy
Me, too! With onions (white, diced) and sharp cheddar cheese! With
refried beans that mound up and with sopa de arroz! Yummmmm-ohhhh!!!!
I can not make them to taste like home at all. Now that I'm diabetic,
I can't eat them at all now. :(
On Apr 7, 2006, at 3:03 AM, Josie T. Trevino wrote:
> BTW, I just love
> enchiladas!!! :-)
>
> Josie
Josie -
I actually knew Sandra before she became famous. She grew up and lived in
"Pilsen", a heavily Hispanic neighborhood in Chicago. I used to go to poetry
readings she was in and others - there is a strong artsy community in Pilsen,
some Hispanic, some not. She dated a guy I worked with for awhile. I used
to work in a community based organization for many years....It gives me great
pleasure to watch one of our own make it - and make it under their terms....
Esperanza
Esperanza,
Isn't it great to see our Mexican-American people do good? She was very gracious, down-to-earth, and funny when i met her - although she had the flu (like a flu could stop her!).
Peggy
Latina1955@aol.com wrote:
Josie -
I actually knew Sandra before she became famous. She grew up and lived in
"Pilsen", a heavily Hispanic neighborhood in Chicago. I used to go to poetry
readings she was in and others - there is a strong artsy community in Pilsen,
some Hispanic, some not. She dated a guy I worked with for awhile. I used
to work in a community based organization for many years....It gives me great
pleasure to watch one of our own make it - and make it under their terms....
Esperanza
If a person is properly subscribed to the email lists it should be
exactly like the Yahoo Ranchos where the emails just get sent and pop up
in your email inbox.
Maybe you never replied to those confirmation emails. Here is what I"m
going to do. I'm going to unsubscribe you and resubscribe you
immediately. So some new confirmation email will be generated. when you
get the 3 separate confirmation emails just reply to them to complete
the confirmation process.
let me know if this make a difference. If it works you should never need
to go to the website to read the emails.
joseph (note: i sent this message to you through the group list and to
your email address just to make sure you got it, be on the watch for
those confirmation emails coming to you soon).
scooterpie1968 wrote:
>...or is it harder to post a message? I don't mean to come to the site and actually post. But, when Ranchos was around, it was easy to see and respond to a message because it popped up in our email. Now we actually have to come to the site...and I'm finding that, now, I'm not doing it as often. I love the site, really, it just seems harder. I feel like I haven't really had any dialogue with anyone. :o(
>On a brighter note, I went to a book signing/reading last weekend with Sandra Cisneros. For all the readers in the group, I recommend all her books - especially to the women. She writes with so much passion...she's so lyrical in her words. Her last book, Caramelo, I've read about 20 times. Ms. Cisneros signed my copy and a copy of poetry of hers that I bought at the signing called, "Loose Woman". I know this doesn't seem to have anything to do with genealogy, but her book, Caramelo, is the story of the main characters family, as her great-grandfather was from Spain, her grandparents from Mexico, and, finally, as her father made his way from Mexico to Chicago. It's a fun book with lots of historical references that you all may find entertaining.
>
>Muchas Smooches!
>Peggy
I'm a proud grandmother, too. This is my clan (w/yr of birth; without surnames) -
The children of my daughter Elena:
Joseph Jesus, 1999
Emma Anabel, 2001
Carolina Ryann, 2005 (Carolina - with a Spanish pronounciation, NOT like in North Carolina)
I have uploaded photos of Josie and her granddaughter to the site...
You must be logged on to view them in the Albums section:
Hi Natalie!
It sounds like you have a wonderful family! Aren't the little ones great??
Especially since we have more time to be a grandmother than we did when we
were mothers? At least it is so for me......I worked full time then and
raised three children. The time went by so fast then and now it seems to
just fly by.....that is why I am so devoted to my four grandchildren. None
of them live in San Antonio so I have to travel to Houston or Switzerland to
play "Grandma".....and believe me, I do play! I enjoy reading books to my
five year-old grandson here in Switzerland and he and I play "Uno" every
day! It is amazing how a five year old can beat me almost every time!!!
Grandma must be slowing down!! :-)
Thanks for letting me in on your wonderful family! God bless you and yours!
Hope to meet you in person one day......
Josie
-----Original Message-----
From: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of natalie
coleman
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 5:53 PM
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Grandchildren
I'm a proud grandmother, too. This is my clan (w/yr of birth; without
surnames) -
The children of my daughter Elena:
Joseph Jesus, 1999
Emma Anabel, 2001
Carolina Ryann, 2005 (Carolina - with a Spanish pronounciation, NOT
like in North Carolina)
The children of my daughter Laura:
Maria Liliana Evangeline (AKA Lily), 2003
Naomi Arlene, 2005
The child of my daughter Heather Maria:
Jacob Luis, 2004
All proudly carrying Zacatecan genes.
My two sons, Patrick Joaquin and Justin Miguel, are not married - yet.
Congratulations on Emily!!
Natalie in Virginia
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...or is it harder to post a message? I don't mean to come to the site and actually post. But, when Ranchos was around, it was easy to see and respond to a message because it popped up in our email. Now we actually have to come to the site...and I'm finding that, now, I'm not doing it as often. I love the site, really, it just seems harder. I feel like I haven't really had any dialogue with anyone. :o(
-----Original Message-----
From: Josie T. Trevino [mailto:josiett3@satx.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 8:18 AM
To: 'Joseph Puentes'
Subject: RE: Emily and Other Ranchos Babies
Hello to all!
Dear Josie,
My most sincere congratulations on the arrival of Emily, to you, your
daughter and son in law..
Thanks for sharing your feelings and emotions with us. We believe your
words.
May your granddaughter's future life be filled with many satisfactions and
accomplishments.
Bless you All.
Victor Hugo Villarreal
Reynosa, Mexico
Ahh Josie - congratulations! Your excitement and enthusiasm is just
permeates through your words----I am truly happy for you and the family.....
Esperanza
There is NOTHING like a new born baby in the house! How awesome!
Peggy
Isn't it a great feeling to see your family grow.
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/14199
go to this URL (log-in, files, reference materials, "March 2006
Sacramento Meeting")
keep the minutes and meeting going. There is an announcement in the
Help!
In the "Diccionario Geografico" Where do you click to go to a different letter of the alphabet? When it first opens up, the "A" comes up. I want to go to the "M".
Thank you.
John Gonzalez
John,
You should see all the letters in the top frame of the page. If you don't you can try this link:
http://biblio2.colmex.mx/bibdig/dicc_cubas/encabezado2.htm
Saludos,
Victor
Thank you Victor.
I tried the site and this time I did get a display of all the letters of the
alphabet. I tried to look for Minillas, it was highlighted but when I
clicked on it and waited a whole two minutes, ( an eternity in computer
time) nothing happened. I wonder if there is problem with that site...
John Gonzalez
I found the problem. I had to reduce the font size in order to see the
complete page. I tried to use the link at our website and it worked. I
don't know why the link you sent me didn't.
thank you.
John
Can you tell me how to get the entire alphabet. In a simple way?
it is already simple. You click on the link:
http://biblio2.colmex.mx/bibdig/dicc_cubas/base3.htm
and at the top you see the letters A-Z just click on the one you want
and you go to that page. Great resource:
Biblioteca Digital Daniel Cosío Villegas
Diccionario Geográfico, Histórico y Biográfico de los Estados Unidos
Mexicanos.
Antonio García Cubas
Biblioteca Digital
A B
C
CH
D
E
F
G
H
I
J
K
L
LL
M
N
Ñ
O
P
Q
R
S
T
U
V
W
X
Y
Z
Edición electrónica
a cargo de:
Macario Ortiz. Ernesto Morales
Para abrir una página, ingrese los datos del volumen
Página
Volumen
Página anterior
Página siguiente
ylricro wrote:
>Can you tell me how to get the entire alphabet. In a simple way?
Joseph,
I've just noticed that the "Diccionario" webpage is not compatible with
Firefox browsers. This could be a reson why some members are having
troubles opening it.
The page opens up correctly with Internet Explorer, unless you have disabled
Java Script.
Victor
On 4/4/06, Joseph Puentes wrote:
>
> it is already simple. You click on the link:
> http://biblio2.colmex.mx/bibdig/dicc_cubas/base3.htm
>
> and at the top you see the letters A-Z just click on the one you want
> and you go to that page. Great resource:
>
>
>
thank you for your quick response. I still couldn't get into the site,
until I changed the size of the fonts. No problem now.
Your Nuestros Ranchos site is turning out BEAUTIFUL!!!!! You and your helpers definitely have earned a Gold Star.
I don't want to correct you unless you mistakenly were addressing this
to Joseph. I agree whole heartedly with the site being beautiful, but
Arturo the designer, builder and maintainer (webmaster) of the site is
not a helper: He's The Man!
thanks again Arturo!
joseph (the helper)
ylricro wrote:
>thank you for your quick response. I still couldn't get into the site,
>until I changed the size of the fonts. No problem now.
>
>Your Nuestros Ranchos site is turning out BEAUTIFUL!!!!! You and your helpers definitely have earned a Gold Star.
ylicro,
If you mean all the entries in the dictionary in a single document that is
almost impossible.
The reason is that each page from the original dictionary was scanned and
displayed as an image file not as a text file. So unless someone could
first convert the images to text.... well, you get the idea.
Victor
Joseph,
Got your request. Some of my fondest memories of my Mom are of the way she
would use hand gestures to emphasize a point. Such as touching the tip of her
index finger to the area below the outside corner of her eye, then pulling
Ken,
I can see your mom now, thanks. I looked for a map of the rancho close
to Sombrerete, but it is lacking in my collection. I must now go back to
UNC and have a look for their 1:50000 scale map of the Sombrerete. I
hope it is still there because if it is them it should be on a detailed
map like that. I'll be going to UNC in the next month or so and will try
to make a point of getting a digital image of the area.
Does anyone else on the list have any Map requests? Tell me and I'll try.
joseph
KMAlva@aol.com wrote:
>Joseph,
>
>Got your request. Some of my fondest memories of my Mom are of the way she
>would use hand gestures to emphasize a point. Such as touching the tip of her
>index finger to the area below the outside corner of her eye, then pulling
>corner down to slightly expose the area below the eyeball. She would do this and
> say something like "Vease bien, mijo" when making a point that I should keep
>an eye on something, or someone; or look into it more deeply.
>
>My Mom's Father's family comes from La Noria de San Pantaleon, Zacatecas.
>Has anyone crossed this area in their research? I believe it is near
>Sombrerete, Zacatecas.
>
>Ken Alva
>Southern California
Hello Everyone!
Just to let you know that Josie Treviño is the proud grandmother of a little
girl, "Emily". Born in "Swisa"...Switzerland.
Mickey
Maybe we should have a special welcome committee for all the Ranchos
babies. Yes I know they weren't born in one of our Ranchos, but their
genes came out from one of our Ranchos and nothing will ever change that.
Well I know there have been other Ranchos babies born this year and last
year and I would be happy for those of you who know who I'm talking
about to make your announcements public, but I'll not out of respect for
your privacy. I would just like to say CONGRATULATIONS to all of you and
especially to this newest one, Emily in Swisa, Switzerland (can I come
for a visit?).
Does anyone on the list practice the silver dollar tradition?????
My mom (hey don't dad's have traditions?), well anyway my mom would say
that when the child gets just a little older than new born you are
suppose to take a silver dollar and touch its hand with it. If the baby
takes the dollar then it is a sign of a life of prosperity if the baby
doesn't it means otherwise. Hmmm, I can see how this one might not be
popular to practice because I'm sure some of the babies don't grasp the
dollar.
joseph
MMG8938@aol.com wrote:
>Hello Everyone!
>
>Just to let you know that Josie Treviño is the proud grandmother of a little
>girl, "Emily". Born in "Swisa"...Switzerland.
>
>Mickey
>
wow you guys are great. Please keep having these meetings and hopefully
more and more members will start attending.
thanks for CC'ing me. . .I'm happy to be included.
joseph
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I don't know if this will go through. I thought I posted something yesterday and I don't think it went through. I thought I was signed up for the mailing list but maybe I'm not?
Alicia You should be getting a double posting of this. Once because I
sent it to your email address, but the second time because it is going
through the Nuestros Ranchos group. One way you will be able to tell is
if you get this in the subject listing: [Nuestros Ranchos]. . .when yu
see that it means it is going throug the list.
I've been seeing your messages. I got the message about Calafia (sp) the
archives of Latin American resources in CA libraries. and now I read
this message.
why do you think you are not getting through?
joseph
oldcar53 wrote:
>I don't know if this will go through. I thought I posted something yesterday and I don't think it went through. I thought I was signed up for the mailing list but maybe I'm not?
FamilySearch announced today the release of a new research product that will help those with Mexican heritage to succeed in their quest to learn more about their ancestors. The research guide, Finding Records of Your Ancestors, Mexico, features easy-to-follow, step-by-step instructions, colorful graphics and tear-out worksheets. A free copy can be viewed or downloaded below.
Arturo,
Thanks for this wonderful resource!
-Esther Valencia
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Subject: 2006-04-04 02:30 (Mb 6.0) OFF COAST OF JALISCO, MEXICO 18.7
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Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 19:52:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: ens@usgs.gov (USGS ENS)
Reply-To: ens@usgs.gov
I found this interesting site that appears to have an extensive film collection for Latin America on Microfilm. The collection includes periodicals, census records, Politics, religion, Culture and popular belief and much more.
UC Berkley Bancroft Library appears to have the most material to our specific area of research, Jalisco, Zacatecas and Aguascalientes but UT Austin,Stanford and the California UC system also support this project. Unfortunately we just missed this year's conference that was held in late March in the Dominican Republic.
http://www-sul.stanford.edu/depts/hasrg/latinam/calafia/index.html
Alicia Carrillo
this is a great resource especially if any of the libraries are close to
some of the members (we know that some are).
thanks Alicia,
we need to add this to the links area.
thanks,
joseph
oldcar53 wrote:
>I found this interesting site that appears to have an extensive film collection for Latin America on Microfilm. The collection includes periodicals, census records, Politics, religion, Culture and popular belief and much more.
>UC Berkley Bancroft Library appears to have the most material to our specific area of research, Jalisco, Zacatecas and Aguascalientes but UT Austin,Stanford and the California UC system also support this project. Unfortunately we just missed this year's conference that was held in late March in the Dominican Republic.
>
>http://www-sul.stanford.edu/depts/hasrg/latinam/calafia/index.html
>
>Alicia Carrillo
I just added this link to the "other" section of the links area.
thanks again,
joseph
oldcar53 wrote:
>I found this interesting site that appears to have an extensive film collection for Latin America on Microfilm. The collection includes periodicals, census records, Politics, religion, Culture and popular belief and much more.
>UC Berkley Bancroft Library appears to have the most material to our specific area of research, Jalisco, Zacatecas and Aguascalientes but UT Austin,Stanford and the California UC system also support this project. Unfortunately we just missed this year's conference that was held in late March in the Dominican Republic.
>
>http://www-sul.stanford.edu/depts/hasrg/latinam/calafia/index.html
>
>Alicia Carrillo
is there anyone on the other end of this email?
Did we lose all of you?
I hate to stimulate conversation for the sake of conversation, but. . .
. . .I really would appreciate you emailing back to the list if you get
Im here!
~~glo~~
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It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees--Emilano Zapata
From: Joseph Puentes
Reply-To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Bueno ???
Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 07:25:18 -0500
is there anyone on the other end of this email?
Did we lose all of you?
I hate to stimulate conversation for the sake of conversation, but. . .
. . .I really would appreciate you emailing back to the list if you get
this message.
If you get this message just click "reply" change the Subject and send
me your favorite recipe for hand made Tortillas de Harina or tell me the
name of your latest great grandchild who just happens to be a direct
decendant of your GGGG grandfather from Los Altos de Jalisco or explain
to me some of the unusual things that your parents did that might have
been folklore and tradition coming from generations ago in Mexico. .
.for example. . .Every once in a while my Mom would be doing her thing
and suddenly she would in a hightened voice say, "Mijo vengase aqui." I
would come to her and she would put her hand in my pocket and have this
look of discomfort on her face. Well on the surface this would appear
strange until you heard the "rest of the story." Seems that at these
time of hurried action she would suddenly be struck with a big "itch" in
the palm of her hand. . .it didn't happen often but when it did this was
a "sign" to her that Money was near. So she would find her closest child
and transfer that money into one of their pockets while at the same time
suffering the discomfort of having the itch in her palm.
Sounds strange, but my Mom would do things like that and to us it was
normal.
So did any of your Mom's ever pass on their thoughts and traditions and
beliefs via their "old country" way of thinking?
joseph
But I am not at home - I am reading my messages at my daughter's home. I can't think of anything at the moment - too excited awaiting the start of Final Four game of the NCAA basketball tournament. Three of my kids graduated from GMU (George Mason Univ) in Fairfax, VA - and we are full of MASON fever - Go GMU! I will have to think on it when I get home. Y'all have a great weekend.
Natalie
Joseph, I'm still here....
No great story but something my grandmother Juanita Sanchez Castanon, originally from Jerez Zacatecas, used to do. She was a very religious Catholic woman but when she prayed she liked to go out in the backyard and face north, south, east and west when saying the rosary. She said she wanted her prayers to reach all her family and she didn't know where they all were. It sounded very Indian to me and very indearing..
Linda in Everett
Joseph Puentes wrote:
is there anyone on the other end of this email?
Did we lose all of you?
I hate to stimulate conversation for the sake of conversation, but. . .
. . .I really would appreciate you emailing back to the list if you get
this message.
If you get this message just click "reply" change the Subject and send
me your favorite recipe for hand made Tortillas de Harina or tell me the
name of your latest great grandchild who just happens to be a direct
decendant of your GGGG grandfather from Los Altos de Jalisco or explain
to me some of the unusual things that your parents did that might have
been folklore and tradition coming from generations ago in Mexico. .
.for example. . .Every once in a while my Mom would be doing her thing
and suddenly she would in a hightened voice say, "Mijo vengase aqui." I
would come to her and she would put her hand in my pocket and have this
look of discomfort on her face. Well on the surface this would appear
strange until you heard the "rest of the story." Seems that at these
time of hurried action she would suddenly be struck with a big "itch" in
the palm of her hand. . .it didn't happen often but when it did this was
a "sign" to her that Money was near. So she would find her closest child
and transfer that money into one of their pockets while at the same time
suffering the discomfort of having the itch in her palm.
Sounds strange, but my Mom would do things like that and to us it was
normal.
So did any of your Mom's ever pass on their thoughts and traditions and
beliefs via their "old country" way of thinking?
joseph
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FELICIDADES!!! TO YOU AND YOUR HARDWORKING CREW. THANK YOU ALL FOR ALL YOU DO. SO ADELANTE AND GOOD HUNTING TO ALL...
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Erlinda Castanon-Long wrote:
Joseph, I'm still here....
No great story but something my grandmother Juanita Sanchez Castanon, originally from Jerez Zacatecas, used to do. She was a very religious Catholic woman but when she prayed she liked to go out in the backyard and face north, south, east and west when saying the rosary. She said she wanted her prayers to reach all her family and she didn't know where they all were. It sounded very Indian to me and very indearing..
Linda in Everett
Joseph Puentes wrote:
is there anyone on the other end of this email?
Did we lose all of you?
I hate to stimulate conversation for the sake of conversation, but. . .
. . .I really would appreciate you emailing back to the list if you get
this message.
If you get this message just click "reply" change the Subject and send
me your favorite recipe for hand made Tortillas de Harina or tell me the
name of your latest great grandchild who just happens to be a direct
decendant of your GGGG grandfather from Los Altos de Jalisco or explain
to me some of the unusual things that your parents did that might have
been folklore and tradition coming from generations ago in Mexico. .
.for example. . .Every once in a while my Mom would be doing her thing
and suddenly she would in a hightened voice say, "Mijo vengase aqui." I
would come to her and she would put her hand in my pocket and have this
look of discomfort on her face. Well on the surface this would appear
strange until you heard the "rest of the story." Seems that at these
time of hurried action she would suddenly be struck with a big "itch" in
the palm of her hand. . .it didn't happen often but when it did this was
a "sign" to her that Money was near. So she would find her closest child
and transfer that money into one of their pockets while at the same time
suffering the discomfort of having the itch in her palm.
Sounds strange, but my Mom would do things like that and to us it was
normal.
So did any of your Mom's ever pass on their thoughts and traditions and
beliefs via their "old country" way of thinking?
joseph
But I am not at home - I am reading my messages at my daughter's home. I can't think of anything at the moment - too excited awaiting the start of Final Four game of the NCAA basketball tournament. Three of my kids graduated from GMU (George Mason Univ) in Fairfax, VA - and we are full of MASON fever - Go GMU! I will have to think on it when I get home. Y'all have a great weekend.
Natalie
Joseph,
I'm here and I got your email.
Whenever I get an "itch" on the palm of my hand (not very often) I almost
invariably get remembrances from my childhood and what we were told about
money coming our way. Needless to say, what we were not told by our old
folks is that the itch money comes and then leaves rather quickly. JJJJ.
Victor
On 4/1/06, Joseph Puentes wrote:
>
>
> is there anyone on the other end of this email?
>
> Did we lose all of you?
>
> I hate to stimulate conversation for the sake of conversation, but. . .
>
> . . .I really would appreciate you emailing back to the list if you get
> this message.
>
> If you get this message just click "reply" change the Subject and send
> >>>>
Yes, she did but they were all Scots or Irish superstitions--don't
cross 2 knives--there'll be a quarrel; if your ears itched, someone was
talking about you. There was a similar one about money and an itching
hand...it depended on which hand itched whether you were getting or
giving money. Marge:)
On Apr 1, 2006, at 6:25 AM, Joseph Puentes wrote:
>
> is there anyone on the other end of this email?
>
> Did we lose all of you?
>
> I hate to stimulate conversation for the sake of conversation, but. . .
>
> . . .I really would appreciate you emailing back to the list if you get
> this message.
>
> If you get this message just click "reply" change the Subject and send
> me your favorite recipe for hand made Tortillas de Harina or tell me
> the
> name of your latest great grandchild who just happens to be a direct
> decendant of your GGGG grandfather from Los Altos de Jalisco or explain
> to me some of the unusual things that your parents did that might have
> been folklore and tradition coming from generations ago in Mexico. .
> .for example. . .Every once in a while my Mom would be doing her thing
> and suddenly she would in a hightened voice say, "Mijo vengase aqui." I
> would come to her and she would put her hand in my pocket and have this
> look of discomfort on her face. Well on the surface this would appear
> strange until you heard the "rest of the story." Seems that at these
> time of hurried action she would suddenly be struck with a big "itch"
> in
> the palm of her hand. . .it didn't happen often but when it did this
> was
> a "sign" to her that Money was near. So she would find her closest
> child
> and transfer that money into one of their pockets while at the same
> time
> suffering the discomfort of having the itch in her palm.
>
> Sounds strange, but my Mom would do things like that and to us it was
> normal.
>
> So did any of your Mom's ever pass on their thoughts and traditions and
> beliefs via their "old country" way of thinking?
>
> joseph
>
>
As some of you have noticed, one of the new functionalities of the new Nuestros Ranchos site is the films database. The database allows you to search the IGI and VRI indices on familysearch.org simply by finding the name of the relevant municipality and the relavant dates. The database also has information on films that members have on permanent loan at their local Family History Centers.
Hello,
Four new files for my decsendants Juan Zuniga, Domingo Nava, Diego Luna and
Miguel Carlos Godoy all from Tepetongo, Jerez and Monte Escovedo Zac.
Sally Zuniga- Quinones matthew_chavez1
Seems that the word: Genealogy is a looked upon with distain from those
that study History. For that reason I left the word out of the
description of the Nuestra Familia Unida podcast project. Genealogy is a
Los Duran: Oral and written family histories