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I hereby send a big cyber hug  to Olivia Jaurequi, and Rosalinda Ruiz in appreciation for all of their efforts in putting together this grand reunion of researchers, and distant cousins. It was a pleasure flying down for the day and meeting, Deena, Charles, Olivia, Rosalinda, Peggy, Ken, Jose Luis, and John...you all have that very special connection. And to primo Joseph, a big cyber hug  for establishing this group, for without you we would not be in this wonderful world of Genealogy. To primo Arturo Ramos, a big cyber hug  for your creative talents in putting together the new site....much appreciated... Sincerely, Helyn de Castaneda    

gnzlzspd <1gnzlz@verizon.net> wrote:

I just want to express my view and comment about our recent meeting that we had in Southern California.

First of all, I offer my thanks and appreciation to Olivia Jaurequi and her husband for being such wonderful hosts. I can imagine all the hard work and preparation that it took to take care of the group.  The food was delicious and plentiful.  My only regret is that I started with the Mole, beans, rice, salad,and the tasty Carne Asada and by that  time, I had no room for the Menudo and pan dulce!  Maybe next time I'll start with the Menudo.

I got to meet my two primos, Ken Alva and Ronnie Reynoso, a couple of very nice and wonderful
guys.  I had previously shared information with Ken over the internet and knew that we were related.  That was not the case with Ronnie until we started sharing and comparing files, we are "primos" ! What a nice surprise.
One other thing that I found out from my "new Primos" was that all three of us have a descendency line from MOCTEZUMA!
All of this just 2 days after my 65th birthday.  I couldn't have asked for a better gift.

I also like to send my thanks to Rosalinda for teaching me how to improve my research skills ( I am still learning) using the IGI. She is such a knowledgeable and unselfish person, willing to share her wisdom and resources with the rest of the group.
I would recommend this type of informal meeting to the rest of the members in other parts of the country.  A lot can be learned and accomplished when you are face to face with fellow members. Thanks to the other attendees for making the meeting a wonderful
experience.

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.



        
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Well, me, too! From my Gonzalez grandma but from HER Saldivar mother.
:P Marge:)

>
> One other thing that I found out from my "new Primos" was that all
> three of us have a descendency line from MOCTEZUMA!

gnzlzspd wrote:

>I just want to express my view and comment about our recent meeting that we had in Southern California.
>
>First of all, I offer my thanks and appreciation to Olivia Jaurequi and her husband for being such wonderful hosts. I can imagine all the hard work and preparation that it took to take care of the group. The food was delicious and plentiful. My only regret is that I started with the Mole, beans, rice, salad,and the tasty Carne Asada and by that time, I had no room for the Menudo and pan dulce! Maybe next time I'll start with the Menudo.
>
No one, absolutely no one said anything about menudo. I might have been
tempted to hop a flight to the get together for a big plato of menudo
with lots of raw onions and oregano and a big squeeze of lemon with some
flour tortillas. My idea of the best meal in the world. No other food
surpasses a dish like this! None!

>
>I got to meet my two primos, Ken Alva and Ronnie Reynoso, a couple of very nice and wonderful guys. I had previously shared information with Ken over the internet and knew that we were related. That was not the case with Ronnie until we started sharing and comparing files, we are "primos" ! What a nice surprise.
>One other thing that I found out from my "new Primos" was that all three of us have a descendency line from MOCTEZUMA!
>All of this just 2 days after my 65th birthday. I couldn't have asked for a better gift.
>
You guys are too great. You bring joy to my heart to hear how families
are being reunited. I truly truly truly think our relatives from long
ago who actually knew each other and then were somehow separted and lost
would be rejoicing with us that we have found each other again. How many
generations back was it before those families knew each other well? I
mean well enough to get together and share Mole, beans, arroz, Salad,
Carne Asada, Menudo and pan dulce? You guys are great. I hope your
families keep on interacting occasionally so you all won't lose each
other again.

>
>I also like to send my thanks to Rosalinda for teaching me how to improve my research skills ( I am still learning) using the IGI. She is such a knowledgeable and unselfish person, willing to share her wisdom and resources with the rest of the group.
>
Rosalinda is a very nice and very helpful fun person. I am so happy that
I was able to meet her when I was in California back in 2004

>I would recommend this type of informal meeting to the rest of the members in other parts of the country. A lot can be learned and accomplished when you are face to face with fellow members. Thanks to the other attendees for making the meeting a wonderful experience.
>
Okay how about a DC meetup in the Summer of 2007 (I'd say 2006, but the
SLC trip sounds like the trip people should focus on for 2006 and two
major trips in one year is more that can be expected). We can have
Arturo take us to the National Archives and Library of Congress for some
good study time. Then we can go to someplace for a nice meal and
fellowship. We can even go to the Indian Museum and see some of tribes
we might have descended from, there is a small area of the museum
devoted to Mexican Indios.

>John Gonzalez
>Wildomar, CA.
>
>
thanks John, your report was very encouraging and i would wholeheartedly
say that those of you in other parts of country should plan on meeting
your fellow Rancho members if possible.

thanks again John for the report and many thanks to Olivia (muchisimas
gracias, saludos a su señor) for the hospitality and to Rosalinda for
the planning. You guys did much for unifying the Ranchos members as a
familia. I didn't say it before but I feel the same way for all the
effort that was involved in the Sacramento meeting and the other various
get togethers. We really are becoming a family.

but I really wish someone had said there would be Menudo.

joseph

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Our family weddings were very much the way you described Carol, with the celebration actually beginning the night before the wedding.  On this night the bridesmaids were generally at the brides house finishing up the tissue flowers that were to be strung on the cars, last minute fitting and any other last minute activities that needed to be taken care of.  Of course there was a big dinner for all who were in the house.  The wedding usually began between 9 and 10 a.m., followed by a breakfast celebration back at the brides home.  Like you said the reception would take place from about 1-4p.m.(usually mole and all the fixings was the menu).  Then there would be a break until the dance began, usually 8p.m. and ended at 12 a.m.  Often, the celebration resumed the next day when gifts were opened in front of as many family/friends as could make it back for another day of celebration.  In my family this changed somewhat when my husband and I got married
(almost 35 years ago).  First of all we had a relatively small wedding party - only eight couples.  We were the last couple in my family to have a morning (9:30 a.m.) church wedding - it's rare to have a Catholic wedding before 12p.m. now a days.  The traditional breakfast (pan dulce, chocolate, huevos, pa pitas, tortillas, cafe) followed at my house, but because by this time most banquet locations had started blocking their rental times (we could rent the hall from 12 to 5pm or from 6 to 12pm.), my folks decided to continue the celebration at our house until 4p.m when everyone headed to the hall for the reception.  The reception (a buffet, no mole) went from 5-8 and the dance, with a full band, followed from 8-12 (actually it lasted till 1a.m., but by that time were were all delirious from exhaustion we didn't pay much attention to the time).  The next day, bright and early, my husband and
I joined family and friends back at my parent's home for menudo and the gift opening.  Lots of fun and oh so long ago!!

In 2002 we celebrated our son's wedding and boy, was it different.  Smaller wedding party, one limo (no car floral decorations needed), afternoon church ceremony.  We still tried to keep some of the traditions, but the schedule was very different.  The ceremony began "exactly" at 2:30p.m. and ended at about 3:45 leaving about a two hour break until the reception.  The reception location was about an hour away so when they arrived, people had to "hang around" for a while before being allowed into the reception room.  Once dinner was over the dancing immediately began (DJ, no band).  The celebration continued at our house the next morning with menu do, tamales, etc., and the gift opening.

Olivia

Carol Turner wrote:

When I was a little girl many years ago (haha)., I can
remember going to weddings here in Kansas City.  It
was an all day event.  The wedding mass would begin
around 9:00 or 10:00, after mass we would have Mexican
bread and hot chocolate, then around 1:00 to 4:00 they
would have the reception with Chicken & Mole,
tortillas, sopa and of course Mexican music or a
Marichi band, then we would go home and rest and get
ready for the big dance that was usually from 8:00 to
12:00 with a full band.  Most wedding's I've attended
have nearly 5 to 15 people in the wedding (Catholic
weddings).  Just imagine if back then they had that
many people and we were making notations of all those
names or catching a glimpse of our ancestors in huge
weddings. I don't know when the traditions changed
regarding customs and food.  If anyone would like
to
share info regarding; Wedding Traditions customs/food,
I'm always curious what others experienced in other
towns. 

I'm sure everyone remembers having Chicken & Mole at
wedding celebrations...when did this tradition start?

Carol


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Natalie:

All of the information from the Who's Who database from the YahooGroups Ranchos site is now part of people's profiles. You can simply type a surname or place name into the search field in the upper right of the new site and then when results come up, you click on the "USERS" tab and it will bring up all of the usernames who have the surname or place name in their user profiles.

You can also browse through the entire list by clicking on "Files" and then clicking on "Browse through profiles" link in the text of the page that comes up.

I uploaded all of the Who's Who database when I uploaded usernames and IDs but there were a few where I could not match up the name in the Who's Who database with a username and were left out. Also, the majority of people had NOT filled out an entry in the Who's Who database.

So everybody, when you get a chance, please log on to the new site and click on "My Account" and then click on the "Edit" Tab... you will then have the choice to edit different aspects of your account information... the first page that pops up is "Account Settings" where you can change your password, etc.

The Second Option is your "Personal Information"... Full name and location.

THE THIRD OPTION IS "RESEARCH"
Here is where you should type in all of the surnames and locations you are currently researching. This is VERY important. If you do not fill this in, members cannot easily determine whether they have research interests similar to yours or if they have information that may be useful to you.

This is perhaps one of the most important aspects of our group and something that we built into the new website explicitly. But it will only work if everyone provides the necessary information.

Natalie:

All of the information from the Who's Who database from the YahooGroups Ranchos site is now part of people's profiles. You can simply type a surname or place name into the search field in the upper right of the new site and then when results come up, you click on the "USERS" tab and it will bring up all of the usernames who have the surname or place name in their user profiles.

You can also browse through the entire list by clicking on "Files" and then clicking on "Browse through profiles" link in the text of the page that comes up.

I uploaded all of the Who's Who database when I uploaded usernames and IDs but there were a few where I could not match up the name in the Who's Who database with a username and were left out. Also, the majority of people had NOT filled out an entry in the Who's Who database.

So everybody, when you get a chance, please log on to the new site and click on "My Account" and then click on the "Edit" Tab... you will then have the choice to edit different aspects of your account information... the first page that pops up is "Account Settings" where you can change your password, etc.

The Second Option is your "Personal Information"... Full name and location.

THE THIRD OPTION IS "RESEARCH"
Here is where you should type in all of the surnames and locations you are currently researching. This is VERY important. If you do not fill this in, members cannot easily determine whether they have research interests similar to yours or if they have information that may be useful to you.

This is perhaps one of the most important aspects of our group and something that we built into the new website explicitly. But it will only work if everyone provides the necessary information.

ESPERANZA, NO. I HADN'T HEARD THAT BEFORE.  I HAD HEARD THAT THE BUGARIN LINE WAS FROM SPAIN BUT WERE ORIGINALY FROM RUSSIA. THE NAME WAS BUKHARIN.  IN SPAIN THEY CHANGED IT DUE TO THE LACK OF THE USE OF "K"  IT SEEMS THEY CHANGED THE "K"  FOR "G" AND DROPPED THE "H".  GREAT INFO ESPERANZA  GRACIAS    YOLANDA 

latina1955@aol.com wrote:

Yolanda, I was trying to add my files when I noticed yours......particularly your Bugarin relatives.  So I decided to do a search on Atolinga, as some of my relatives were born there as well.   Here's what I found - before the Spanish officially settled the area, it appears that there was initially
a group of "celtas" who settled there (Irish?) and later "semitas (Jewish?).  Had you read this before??? I thought it was fascinating!!!   Dice al ingeniero Montañés:
“ Después de la conquista, los españoles vieron a Tlaltenango como tierra de promisión, colonizándola, dejando en el monte de Atolinga, como muestra la colonización, extensa zona habitada hasta nuestros días por moradores de la raza celta pura. Cabe explicar que hasta aquí, inexplicablemente vinieron semitas, perpetuándose en familias que llevan apellidos Leyva, Isais, Covarrubias, Castañeda, Bugarín”    source:  http://www.e-mexico.gob.mx/wb2/eMex/eMex_Atolinga_Zacatecas   Esperanza

I think that if Esperanza had not posted this message I might not have figured this out, but you and I are primos Yolanda. The person that is #25 on your descendants of Pedro Joseph Bugarin is my gggg-grandmother through my maternal grandfather's lineage.

http://www.ramosfamily.org/nextgen/getperson.php?personID=I278

I have children listed for her (including my ancestor) who were baptized in Tlaltenango, before the parrish was set up in Atolinga. I see you have some younger children that were baptized in Atolinga.

Esperanza, any idea who this Ingeniero Montanes is or what his sources are for the information that is cited to him? It doesn't make much sense from what I know of the history of Atolinga... It is true that the general area (up on the hills) did not have indigenous settlements at the time that the Spaniards arrived... they preferred to live in the Valleys and Canyons.

Esteban Valdes also believes that the Covarrubias from Totatiche/Atolinga area were sephardi but he has not yet convinced me. I don't think there are any Isais in Atolinga, they are Yslas or Islas... and that is a common name that comes from los Altos.

I think that if Esperanza had not posted this message I might not have figured this out, but you and I are primos Yolanda. The person that is #25 on your descendants of Pedro Joseph Bugarin is my gggg-grandmother through my maternal grandfather's lineage.

http://www.ramosfamily.org/nextgen/getperson.php?personID=I278

I have children listed for her (including my ancestor) who were baptized in Tlaltenango, before the parrish was set up in Atolinga. I see you have some younger children that were baptized in Atolinga.

Esperanza, any idea who this Ingeniero Montanes is or what his sources are for the information that is cited to him? It doesn't make much sense from what I know of the history of Atolinga... It is true that the general area (up on the hills) did not have indigenous settlements at the time that the Spaniards arrived... they preferred to live in the Valleys and Canyons.

Esteban Valdes also believes that the Covarrubias from Totatiche/Atolinga area were sephardi but he has not yet convinced me. I don't think there are any Isais in Atolinga, they are Yslas or Islas... and that is a common name that comes from los Altos.

There was a glitch in the software that would add a ".txt" extension at the end of files when it should not have been doing so. I think it is fixed now. I also repaired the filename on Angie's files so they should be viewable. Please let me know (privately) if you experience anymore problems with this issue.

There was a glitch in the software that would add a ".txt" extension at the end of files when it should not have been doing so. I think it is fixed now. I also repaired the filename on Angie's files so they should be viewable. Please let me know (privately) if you experience anymore problems with this issue.

if it is okay to use them on the Nuestra Familia Unida podcast let me
know otherwise send me the mp3's and I'll host them so the group can
listen to them. how many bites are they each? if not too big put them
individually into an email as an attachment in mp3 and send them to me.




thanks,



joseph



ps: are they music they made or from some band back then?







Kim Raine wrote:

Hola,
I'm a bit slow here and just catching up on the
celebrations, food, etc conversation.  It reminded me that
I have a recording made in the 1950's of my two
great-great aunts.  They discuss life on the rancho in
Carmel Valley, California and it includes a song or two. 
These ladies would be second generation California-born
BORONDAs, granddaughters of Jose Manuel BORONDA,
supposedly born in Jerez, Zacatecas (or Guadalajara,
depending on which family genealogist you ask).  I think
the food is Spanish-California-ish by that time -- beans
cooked until they pop (but not like refried); bull's head
(the cheeks?); a menudo sort of thing, squid, etc.  I am
particularly interested in the songs, which are, of course
in Spanish (though the ladies spoke English).  I wonder if
they would suggest the family's origins in Mexico.  Is
this something I could upload to the site, or would sound
files be too big?  The songs are fairly brief if I recall
correctly.
Kim Raine



 
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Natalie,
 
I too feel like the Lone Ranger up here in the Northwest.  I am the
only Mexican member of the Puget Sound Genealogical Society.  The other
members are mostly Scandinavian. Estoy tan solita tambien.  I do enjoy
hearing about their breakthoughs and successes, and I use their
library.  They take an annual trip to Mecca in Salt Lake City in
January (they have the whole place to themselves, almost, and don't have to wait
for computers or copiers, etc. then).  They have published some of my
articles in their Backtracker quarterly at www.rootsweb.com/~wapgsdgs/homepage.htm  about my
mother's New Mexico ancestors; I've written about them because I knew more about
them than of my father's Zacatecan ancestors. 
 
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA --

----- Original Message -----
From: Natalie
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 7:56
PM
Subject: [ranchos] Genalogical
Societies

First of all - WOW!! 134 messages, and it is only the 8th
of March!
So much to read - and all of it very interesting.
Thanks.

Now - subject question: What genealogical or historical
societies do
you belong to?
Since I live in Fairfax County, Virginia, I
belong to the Fairfax
Genealogical Society - a very active group.
(However, I think I am
the only member who researches in Mexico - ay, tan
solita). Their
website is:  http://www.fxgs.org
There were a lot of
interesting items in the most recent newsletter -
and I thought I would
share a few - especially if you should happen
to be in the area for any of
these meetings/gatherings.
March 25, 2006: Fairfax Gen. Soc. Annual
Conference (see website for
details).
April 27, 2006: (Monthly meeting)
DNA Testing for Genealogists
(speaker: Linda Jonas) - check the website
(above)for details.

Next year, 2007, the state of Virginia will
celebrate in 500th
anniversary of settlement (Jamestown, 1607). NGS
(National
Genealogical Society) will hold its Conference in the States,
May 16-
19, 2007, in Richmond, VA. (www.ngsgenealogy.org)

That's all
for now - y'all take care.

Natalie in VA

Esperanza,

The attachment I have posted has links to my personal web space. So
if there was a problem, it was probably with my personal web space.
It will go down sometimes...not often...

Also, the files are PDF and you will need at least Adobe Reader
installed on your computer.

Can you try again? And let me know if you are still having problems.

Thanks,
Angie

Emilie:

Thank you so much for your efforts in trying to locate the repository of Jaime Holcombe's work. How far back are you with your Escobedo ancestry? I have a lot of information on this family that I have collected in hopes of connecting with my own ancestors.

Maria de Covarrubias was married to Francisco de Escobedo, son of Hernando de Escobedo and founder of San Andres del Astillero which came to be known as Monte Escobedo. They (Maria Covarrubias and Francisco de Escobedo) had a number of children that appear in their will: María de Covarrubias, Ana de Escobedo, Francisca de Covarrubias, Juan de Escobedo, Isabel de Rodas, Antonia de Covarrubias y Francisco de Escobedo.

Juan de Escobedo here is (I believe) the founder of Juanacatic (that came to be known as Villa Guerrero, Jalisco) and this Isabel de Rodas is (according to a confusing set of facts attributed to Jaime Holcombe) the same Isabel de Covarrubias that married a certain Captain Jacinto de Talamantes and whose offspring were the first Spanish settlers of what came to be known as Totatiche... Juan, Lucas and Pedro de Covarrubias Talamantes as well as an Isabel de Talamantes who is later found in Parral, Chihuahua.

The senior Maria de Covarrubias that married Francisco de Escobedo was the granddaughter of Francisco de Covarrubias, one of the first treasurers of the Caja de Zacatecas.

Did you know that the founders of Culver City, California were Talamantes from Aguascalientes?

Thanks, Rosalinda,
 
I think I know what you mean now.  I don't put any signature file at
the bottom of the e-mails, but I notice that the messages in the "sent messages"
folder do have an ad line for MSN that I guess my IP (I know that term) puts on
there automatically.  The Ranchos messages have several of these at the
bottom of the messages, and I am glad they won't appear in messages on the new
website. 
 
Emilie

----- Original Message -----
From: lareina2@ix.netcom.com
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Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 9:17
PM
Subject: Re: [ranchos] [Nuestros Ranchos]
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Hi Emilie--
 
A signature file is a small file attached to the bottom of your
emails.  It can be personalized with a message, an email address, or
other info.  You may have one that automatically is included in your
emails; however, the website removes them from the posted messages.
 
I hope this helps.
 
Rosalinda


-----Original Message-----
From: Emilie Garcia

Sent: Mar 7, 2006 8:01 AM
To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] [Nuestros Ranchos]
Attachments

Oh, Rosalinda,
 
You have such patience.  Now I have another stupid question. What is
a signature file?
 
Emilie

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Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 5:04
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Emilie:

RE:
An HTML attachment was
scrubbed...
URL: http://lists.nuestrosranchos.org/private.cgi/general-nuestrosranchos.org/attachments/20060307/bb8447e0/attachment.html

All
that message means is that the attachment that was sent with your message
was removed from the message before it was distributed.  The lists do
not allow attachments so when there is an attachment (often just a signature
file) it is removed.  Your messages seem to be going through
fine.  I am getting all of them.
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If I had to nominate anyone for "Ancestor of the Year", I would nominate Rosalinda! Talk about documentation!  This girl has binders, binders and more binders of EVERYTHING she finds regarding her family tree (as opposed to my little ONE binder of everything crammed in there - complete with stuff falling out!!).  She's inspired me
to be more thorough, organized, and not to let ONE leaf go unturned. That girl's awesome!   Peggy  
Natalie wrote:

Found this on-line - thought you might enjoy it.

ARE YOU A GOOD ANCESTOR?

A good ancestor keeps certificates including birth and death
certificates;
records including health, military, naturalization, and school;
passports;
newspaper and church notices; awards;
photos; art and craft work;
journals;
Bibles; diaries; baby, school and wedding books; heirlooms.

He or she dates correspondence, cares for tombstones, keeps research
organized, writes or tapes the family stories, and supports family
organizations.

A good ancestor dates everything, is sure that full names are
included,
records where material may be found and always sees that at least one
other
copy of important data is somewhere else.

A hundred years from now, will they think you were a good ancestor?


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